Re: Great fighters with bad footwork.
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Paul Williams just pretty much plodded forwards. Not a great fighter but footwork was worse than bad ;D
Williams was a dumb fighter. He didn't use his reach, he had poor defense, and he had a habit of lunging.
If Paul Williams had gotten trained by Manny Steward early on in his career he would have been damn near unbeatable. His height, his frame, his stamina, his chin (which was great but got used too often and he left himself open vs Martinez specifically because he trusted his chin too much), he had good hand speed, so-so power. At 147 who was going to beat him had he fought like Tommy Hearns?
Re: Great fighters with bad footwork.
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Jimanuel Boogustus
Paul Williams just pretty much plodded forwards. Not a great fighter but footwork was worse than bad ;D
Williams was a dumb fighter. He didn't use his reach, he had poor defense, and he had a habit of lunging.
If Paul Williams had gotten trained by Manny Steward early on in his career he would have been damn near unbeatable. His height, his frame, his stamina, his chin (which was great but got used too often and he left himself open vs Martinez specifically because he trusted his chin too much), he had good hand speed, so-so power. At 147 who was going to beat him had he fought like Tommy Hearns?
Just goes to show how brutal and cruel this sport is, when you potentially have it all but really never achieve much.
Re: Great fighters with bad footwork.
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Just goes to show how brutal and cruel this sport is, when you potentially have it all but really never achieve much.
Absolutely! I think Meldrick Taylor is one of the best examples of that...blazing handspeed, great defense....but a cutesy style wasn't in his heart, he was a Philly fighter and wanted to fight a face first style.....he could have been Floyd Mayweather Jr before Floyd Mayweather Jr. laced up the gloves.
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El Kabong
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Jimanuel Boogustus
Just goes to show how brutal and cruel this sport is, when you potentially have it all but really never achieve much.
Absolutely! I think Meldrick Taylor is one of the best examples of that...blazing handspeed, great defense....but a cutesy style wasn't in his heart, he was a Philly fighter and wanted to fight a face first style.....he could have been Floyd Mayweather Jr before Floyd Mayweather Jr. laced up the gloves.
Taylor chose to stand and trade with Chavez, which is suicide.
And even if the fight hadn't been stopped, Taylor was in BAD shape by the end of it. I don't think too much would have changed.
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El Kabong
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Jimanuel Boogustus
Just goes to show how brutal and cruel this sport is, when you potentially have it all but really never achieve much.
Absolutely! I think Meldrick Taylor is one of the best examples of that...blazing handspeed, great defense....but a cutesy style wasn't in his heart, he was a Philly fighter and wanted to fight a face first style.....he could have been Floyd Mayweather Jr before Floyd Mayweather Jr. laced up the gloves.
I would have loved a prime Chavez to get his hands on Floyd and bust him up and break him down.
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El Kabong
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Jimanuel Boogustus
Just goes to show how brutal and cruel this sport is, when you potentially have it all but really never achieve much.
Absolutely! I think Meldrick Taylor is one of the best examples of that...blazing handspeed, great defense....but a cutesy style wasn't in his heart, he was a Philly fighter and wanted to fight a face first style.....he could have been Floyd Mayweather Jr before Floyd Mayweather Jr. laced up the gloves.
Taylor chose to stand and trade with Chavez, which is suicide.
And even if the fight hadn't been stopped, Taylor was in BAD shape by the end of it. I don't think too much would have changed.
Absolutely....but had Taylor BOXED which is what he was bloody brilliant at he would have schooled Chavez and gone on to be an All-Time great, no doubt in my mind. But like I said, that style which was very effective for him, was one he was TAUGHT it wasn't in his heart and some fighters fight with their hearts over their brains and to be honest I think it's a mistake for any fighter to trust one too much over the other.
That one fight ruined Taylor, but that style was how he wanted to fight in his heart.
Re: Great fighters with bad footwork.
Was gonna say George Foreman too, I wouldn't call cutting off the ring good foot work. More of ring generalship.During his comeback lateral movement wasn't happening, that was just him moving his upper body side to side. Straight forward like a bulldozer.
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Depending on where the "great" tag begins, John Mugabi had some of the worst feet I have ever seen.
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Tito developed bad feet when he locked on to his power. Every time he was dropped was because of it and later he started to plod like George Chuvalo. Rinse and repeat.
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Naseem Hamed got caught off balance more than once
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Remember when David Reids legs started to go near the end. Poor guy was boxing in wet flip flops. And that's no fookin fun!
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Tito developed bad feet when he locked on to his power. Every time he was dropped was because of it and later he started to plod like George Chuvalo. Rinse and repeat.
His bad feet/balance led to many flash knockdowns early in his career (all of which led to knockouts to the perpetrators). Later on, he corrected that and you didn't see nearly the number of knockdowns.
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Tito developed bad feet when he locked on to his power. Every time he was dropped was because of it and later he started to plod like George Chuvalo. Rinse and repeat.
His bad feet/balance led to many flash knockdowns early in his career (all of which led to knockouts to the perpetrators). Later on, he corrected that and you didn't see nearly the number of knockdowns.
Tito did still have bambi legs but you are right if he was put down it was by better fighters.
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Remember when David Reids legs started to go near the end. Poor guy was boxing in wet flip flops. And that's no fookin fun!
I remember that guy...his eye would start swelling during the ring walk.
