Armstrong Langford carpenter Gans Willie pepp Jack Johnson even guys like Sugar Ray Leonard and Roberto Duran they are way ahead on the pound for pound list compared to Muhammad Ali
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Armstrong Langford carpenter Gans Willie pepp Jack Johnson even guys like Sugar Ray Leonard and Roberto Duran they are way ahead on the pound for pound list compared to Muhammad Ali
Master 'Wet Noodle'Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Your list just shows how stupid and bias you are. Embarrassing Bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom~ Heavyweight's On Their 'Overall' Career ~Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterName 10 a head of him then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom
1 ..... Jack Dempsey
2 ..... Joe Louis
3 ..... Larry Holmes
4 ..... James J. Jeffries
5 ..... Rocky Marciano
6 ..... Jack Johnson
7 ..... Lennox Lewis
8 ..... George Foreman
9 ..... Gene Tunney
10 ... Ezzard Charles
11 ... Cassius Clay
On the overall,
Cassius Clay is an 'Eleven'.
How many on that Top 10 list have been called 'Clowns' as much as Cassius.
How many have been called the greatest?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill PaxtomMaster 'Wet Noodle'Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYour list just shows how stupid and bias you are. Embarrassing Bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom~ Heavyweight's On Their 'Overall' Career ~Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterName 10 a head of him then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom
1 ..... Jack Dempsey
2 ..... Joe Louis
3 ..... Larry Holmes
4 ..... James J. Jeffries
5 ..... Rocky Marciano
6 ..... Jack Johnson
7 ..... Lennox Lewis
8 ..... George Foreman
9 ..... Gene Tunney
10 ... Ezzard Charles
11 ... Cassius Clay
On the overall,
Cassius Clay is an 'Eleven'.
How many on that Top 10 list have been called 'Clowns' as much as Cassius.
Ezzard Charles? Really must have strained your brain trying to come up with that one. :)
ali has only fought the whos who because ali went on about them so muchQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
why would all of the best known hws in history all come from alis era, because they were all the best or because of ali and alis mouth?
They were great heavyweights and would have dominated in any era if Ali was not around they would have been considered greater than they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ali has only fought the whos who because ali went on about them so muchQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
why would all of the best known hws in history all come from alis era, because they were all the best or because of ali and alis mouth?
Foreman and Frazier are in most people top 10 heavyweight champs. Sonny would have dominated if Ali was not around.
that's the mythQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThey were great heavyweights and would have dominated in any era if Ali was not around they would have been considered greater than they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ali has only fought the whos who because ali went on about them so muchQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
why would all of the best known hws in history all come from alis era, because they were all the best or because of ali and alis mouth?
Foreman and Frazier are in most people top 10 heavyweight champs. Sonny would have dominated if Ali was not around.
Really? Holyfield fought everyone in his era and then some.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Purely from the point of view as a boxer I'm not sure, but as a celebrity boxer, no doubt he is the the best P4P. He was extremely popular and almost everybody loved him. You've probably heard people chanting Ali, Ali! and I don't remember anyone booing him... He's become a boxing icon. Ask people who they think represents boxing - the answer will most likely be, Ali. But actually, I didn't like him that much then...
Where is the myth? They were great champions and heavyweights.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44that's the mythQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThey were great heavyweights and would have dominated in any era if Ali was not around they would have been considered greater than they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ali has only fought the whos who because ali went on about them so muchQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
why would all of the best known hws in history all come from alis era, because they were all the best or because of ali and alis mouth?
Foreman and Frazier are in most people top 10 heavyweight champs. Sonny would have dominated if Ali was not around.
Sonny ListonQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThey were great heavyweights and would have dominated in any era if Ali was not around they would have been considered greater than they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ali has only fought the whos who because ali went on about them so muchQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
why would all of the best known hws in history all come from alis era, because they were all the best or because of ali and alis mouth?
Foreman and Frazier are in most people top 10 heavyweight champs. Sonny would have dominated if Ali was not around.
The old man was done. He was {Age; 36 1/2} in March 1964.
Bad Left Shoulder
No Right Hand
Straddle Legged
Slow Afoot
Slow Thinking
J & B Scotch Saturated
Evander has great quality of opposition, second only to Ali. Difference for me is that Evander wasn't as consistent in winning as long or often as Ali was vs top notch opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09Really? Holyfield fought everyone in his era and then some.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Liston had just obliterated the previous champ (Patterson) twice, and was a significant favorite to win the first match up. Sonny was past his best, but was not shot or as pathetic as you are making him out to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill PaxtomSonny ListonQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThey were great heavyweights and would have dominated in any era if Ali was not around they would have been considered greater than they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ali has only fought the whos who because ali went on about them so muchQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
why would all of the best known hws in history all come from alis era, because they were all the best or because of ali and alis mouth?
Foreman and Frazier are in most people top 10 heavyweight champs. Sonny would have dominated if Ali was not around.
The old man was done. He was {Age; 36 1/2} in March 1964.
Bad Left Shoulder
No Right Hand
Straddle Legged
Slow Afoot
Slow Thinking
J & B Scotch Saturated
Sonny carried on fighting beating some good fighters until his death 1970's. Bill where were you when it happened?Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodListon had just obliterated the previous champ (Patterson) twice, and was a significant favorite to win the first match up. Sonny was past his best, but was not shot or as pathetic as you are making him out to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill PaxtomSonny ListonQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThey were great heavyweights and would have dominated in any era if Ali was not around they would have been considered greater than they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ali has only fought the whos who because ali went on about them so muchQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
why would all of the best known hws in history all come from alis era, because they were all the best or because of ali and alis mouth?
Foreman and Frazier are in most people top 10 heavyweight champs. Sonny would have dominated if Ali was not around.
The old man was done. He was {Age; 36 1/2} in March 1964.
Bad Left Shoulder
No Right Hand
Straddle Legged
Slow Afoot
Slow Thinking
J & B Scotch Saturated
Besides Frazier (Who was steamrolled by Big George Foreman and his 2 wins vs Liston the rest of the list can be questioned for quality. A lot of his opponents were past their primes or c level competition that were elevated when they fought Ali.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodEvander has great quality of opposition, second only to Ali. Difference for me is that Evander wasn't as consistent in winning as long or often as Ali was vs top notch opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09Really? Holyfield fought everyone in his era and then some.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Big George Foreman should not be forgotten. If Ali was not around Foreman would have been a dominant champion for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09Besides Frazier (Who was steamrolled by Big George Foreman and his 2 wins vs Liston the rest of the list can be questioned for quality. A lot of his opponents were past their primes or c level competition that were elevated when they fought Ali.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodEvander has great quality of opposition, second only to Ali. Difference for me is that Evander wasn't as consistent in winning as long or often as Ali was vs top notch opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09Really? Holyfield fought everyone in his era and then some.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson