Where does Ali rank P4P?

[jon09]

It is because of his resume. There isn't another heavyweight with one even close to his. It's a who's who of heavyweight royalty.

Really? Holyfield fought everyone in his era and then some.

Evander has great quality of opposition, second only to Ali. Difference for me is that Evander wasn't as consistent in winning as long or often as Ali was vs top notch opposition.

Besides Frazier (Who was steamrolled by Big George Foreman and his 2 wins vs Liston the rest of the list can be questioned for quality. A lot of his opponents were past their primes or c level competition that were elevated when they fought Ali.

[Master]

It is because of his resume. There isn't another heavyweight with one even close to his. It's a who's who of heavyweight royalty.

Really? Holyfield fought everyone in his era and then some.

Evander has great quality of opposition, second only to Ali. Difference for me is that Evander wasn't as consistent in winning as long or often as Ali was vs top notch opposition.

Besides Frazier (Who was steamrolled by Big George Foreman and his 2 wins vs Liston the rest of the list can be questioned for quality. A lot of his opponents were past their primes or c level competition that were elevated when they fought Ali.

Big George Foreman should not be forgotten. If Ali was not around Foreman would have been a dominant champion for a long time.

[Bill Paxtom]

It is because of his resume. There isn't another heavyweight with one even close to his. It's a who's who of heavyweight royalty.

Really? Holyfield fought everyone in his era and then some.

Evander has great quality of opposition, second only to Ali. Difference for me is that Evander wasn't as consistent in winning as long or often as Ali was vs top notch opposition.

Besides Frazier (Who was steamrolled by Big George Foreman and his 2 wins vs Liston the rest of the list can be questioned for quality. A lot of his opponents were past their primes or c level competition that were elevated when they fought Ali.

Big George Foreman should not be forgotten. If Ali was not around Foreman would have been a dominant champion for a long time.

Cassius Clay didn't win that fight. George Foreman lost it.

[Master]

It is because of his resume. There isn't another heavyweight with one even close to his. It's a who's who of heavyweight royalty.

Really? Holyfield fought everyone in his era and then some.

Evander has great quality of opposition, second only to Ali. Difference for me is that Evander wasn't as consistent in winning as long or often as Ali was vs top notch opposition.

Besides Frazier (Who was steamrolled by Big George Foreman and his 2 wins vs Liston the rest of the list can be questioned for quality. A lot of his opponents were past their primes or c level competition that were elevated when they fought Ali.

Big George Foreman should not be forgotten. If Ali was not around Foreman would have been a dominant champion for a long time.

Cassius Clay didn't win that fight. George Foreman lost it.

No! Muhammad Ali won it.

[Bill Paxtom]

Ezzard Charles

I never put much credence into Cassius Clay being a great fighter. Oh, he's a wonderful boxer,
but he's not a great fighter.

So, he beat Sonny Liston. That's no big deal. I was boxing Sonny's his ears off when they brought
him to Pittsburg for training back in 1955. And I was a very worn down boxer at that time.

He was nothing but 'slow' St' Louis Hash.

[Master]

Ezzard Charles

I never put much credence into Cassius Clay being a great fighter. Oh, he's a wonderful boxer,
but he's not a great fighter.

So, he beat Sonny Liston. That's no big deal. I was boxing Sonny's his ears off when they brought
him to Pittsburg for training back in 1955. And I was a very worn down boxer at that time.

He was nothing but 'slow' St' Louis Hash.

Ezzard Charles was probably the greatest light heavyweight ever but as a heavyweight Sonny would have tore him apart and Ali would have battered him like a rag doll.

[Bill Paxtom]

Ezzard Charles

1955 ....... Age; 35

Yes, Tom Tannas had taken over managing this St. Louis Bruiser called Charles 'Sonny' Liston.

They shipped him to Pittsburg, because he was in all sorts of trouble in St. Louis. He was supposed
to be this awesome punching machine.

He frightened everyone just by his presence. Nobody wanted to get into the Ring with him. He was
6' 1" and weighed about 205 lbs. He was built like a 'Brick Shit House'. Just massive.

So they asked me to get in the Ring with him, to test him. We were supposed to go 6-Rounds, and
at a good pace.

I was really worn down at that time, but I could still handle myself defensively.

Well, we get into the Ring and start sparring. For the first 2-Rounds, he came charging at me like a
big Freight Train. Just clubbing away with power punches.

But he was slow as 'Shit'. I could see his punches coming at me from a Mile-a-Way. I would just
duck and side-step him, and then counter back with a short left-hook to his 'chops'.

By the 3rd Round, he was frustrated as 'All Hell'. He couldn't hit me at all.

He was now throwing slow clubbing punches. They were heavy, but they had no snap. By the 4th
Round he was 'gassed'. Then I just pot-shot him with lead right-hands to his nose. Not hard
punches, but accurate punches square on his beak.

His nose started to bleed in the 5th Round,.

The he just up and quit half-way thru the Round. The guy just turned around, and walked back to
his corner.

I said out loud ...... "Is that it."

He didn't say a word. He just went to the corner, and told Tom Tannas to 'cut-the-gloves' off.

I was shocked at his quitting like that.

[mikeeod]

Ezzard Charles

I never put much credence into Cassius Clay being a great fighter. Oh, he's a wonderful boxer,
but he's not a great fighter.

So, he beat Sonny Liston. That's no big deal. I was boxing Sonny's his ears off when they brought
him to Pittsburg for training back in 1955. And I was a very worn down boxer at that time.

He was nothing but 'slow' St' Louis Hash.

Ezzard Charles was probably the greatest light heavyweight ever but as a heavyweight Sonny would have tore him apart and Ali would have battered him like a rag doll.

Agree with everything you wrote in this one. Don't know where the hate for Liston is coming from, but if you look at the mans physical stats he would appear to have been developed in a lab for the sole purpose of fighting. The man was a beast and one of the most intimidating fighters ever, who was unfortunately kept from a title shot for years. He pretty much cleaned the division out to for Patterson's hand and fight him, but was unlucky to have to face the greatest heavyweight ever for his second defense.

[C.J.Rock]

It is because of his resume. There isn't another heavyweight with one even close to his. It's a who's who of heavyweight royalty.

Really? Holyfield fought everyone in his era and then some.

Evander has great quality of opposition, second only to Ali. Difference for me is that Evander wasn't as consistent in winning as long or often as Ali was vs top notch opposition.

Besides Frazier (Who was steamrolled by Big George Foreman and his 2 wins vs Liston the rest of the list can be questioned for quality. A lot of his opponents were past their primes or c level competition that were elevated when they fought Ali.

Big George Foreman should not be forgotten. If Ali was not around Foreman would have been a dominant champion for a long time.

Cassius Clay didn't win that fight. George Foreman lost it.

Poor old Bill his brain is addled LOL Ali is P4P # Numero Uno

[Britkid]

Last time I did a list I had him #6. Although the Heavyweights as a division are pound for pound weak; they do tend to have icon leaders, who should be rated highly. Ali and Louis being the top class of them leaders.