Can't Believe It! Everyone sez Marquez Won & I Believed, Shame on Me!

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Originally Posted by brucelee

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

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Originally Posted by ICB

Well thats stupid because ref did not call it a knockdown, and i didn't think it was a knockdown anyway. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks the ref's decision is final and officially its 4 knockdowns end of.

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...Just like the ring officials judged the fight an overall win for Pac. The decision is final. :)

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Nice counter punch in there.;D That must be a KO punch!!!
Straight left, eh?

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Ok fellow pac-fools, don't be fooled by those usual anti-pacs - stand your grounds, cuz when I say so, it is so - you can count on my words. I may have missed my prediction of the 4th round KO, but you all know that was very possible as many analysts sez pac could've finished him off in the 4th cuz Marquez looked very bad there. Before that I said that though it could go either way, Vasquez will win because of his heart although Rafael is the better boxer overall - that's exactly what happened. And few days back I said slick Casamayor would expose boxers like Katsidis who rely mostly on their power.

Besides, did you notice how many guys who rooted for Marquez gave him just one point lead? If you take out their bias points, you know what that means heh. And surprisingly I even heard some of them actually had pac winning, but I haven't heard any pac-fools here so far saying pac lost. With Manny Steward saying Marquez needing a KO at the end to win and Marquez acting as if he heard what Steward said and following his advice on the 12th but failing to KO pac just simply means he knew he was behind - you all saw the desperation of Marquez on the 12th, right? just exactly as what Steward said he needed to do to win. So kabayans, say with confidence that pac won, fairly and squarely. Just don't listen to the sourgrapers who's trying to brainwash some fools that they won. And worse, don't listen to kabayan armchair boxing Xperts who shamelessly proclaim to the whole world pac lost. Shame on them -they should be sent into exile.;D:);)

By the way Bruce, thanks, I owe you one - I've got some spreadings to do.

well marquez did win, just didn't get the decision he deserved

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Originally Posted by pacfan

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Originally Posted by brucelee

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

...Just like the ring officials judged the fight an overall win for Pac. The decision is final. :)

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Nice counter punch in there.;D That must be a KO punch!!!
Straight left, eh?

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Ok fellow pac-fools, don't be fooled by those usual anti-pacs - stand your grounds, cuz when I say so, it is so - you can count on my words. I may have missed my prediction of the 4th round KO, but you all know that was very possible as many analysts sez pac could've finished him off in the 4th cuz Marquez looked very bad there. Before that I said that though it could go either way, Vasquez will win because of his heart although Rafael is the better boxer overall - that's exactly what happened. And few days back I said slick Casamayor would expose boxers like Katsidis who rely mostly on their power.

Besides, did you notice how many guys who rooted for Marquez gave him just one point lead? If you take out their bias points, you know what that means heh. And surprisingly I even heard some of them actually had pac winning, but I haven't heard any pac-fools here so far saying pac lost. With Manny Steward saying Marquez needing a KO at the end to win and Marquez acting as if he heard what Steward said and following his advice on the 12th but failing to KO pac just simply means he knew he was behind - you all saw the desperation of Marquez on the 12th, right? just exactly as what Steward said he needed to do to win. So kabayans, say with confidence that pac won, fairly and squarely. Just don't listen to the sourgrapers who's trying to brainwash some fools that they won. And worse, don't listen to kabayan armchair boxing Xperts who shamelessly proclaim to the whole world pac lost. Shame on them -they should be sent into exile.;D:);)

By the way Bruce, thanks, I owe you one - I've got some spreadings to do.

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That's how to do it Pacfan. Don't worry.I know how to score a fight. Pacquaio won that fight by a point and that's how it will be.

I'm satisfied with how Marquez fought but the better fighter won.

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

I think he's adding the incident where JMM in trouble and holding on the rope. Just like Pac knocked down Barrera but ref Lawrence Cole called it a slip.

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Well thats stupid because ref did not call it a knockdown, and i didn't think it was a knockdown anyway. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks the ref's decision is final and officially its 4 knockdowns end of.

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...Just like the ring officials judged the fight an overall win for Pac. The decision is final. :)

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When did i ever say it wasn't ?? but that doesn't mean people can't debate over the decision.

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Originally Posted by josef4334

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

I think he's adding the incident where JMM in trouble and holding on the rope. Just like Pac knocked down Barrera but ref Lawrence Cole called it a slip.

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Well thats stupid because ref did not call it a knockdown, and i didn't think it was a knockdown anyway. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks the ref's decision is final and officially its 4 knockdowns end of.

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come on ICB. you are better than that. so if you're saying this, then you're also saying that MAB didnt score a KD against jmm coz the ref didnt call it?

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As i recall Barrera hit Marquez with a clean counter right and both of Marquez's gloves touched the canvas. Marquez was hit by Pacquiao but didn't go down, and he wasn't on his way down even if he wouldn't of held onto the ropes. Unless im wrong don't the rules state that its only called a knockdown if your on your way down to the canvas and you hold the ropes to stop yourself from going down. As i recall that did not happen in Marquez vs Pacquiao 2. But i will watch it again because i could be wrong.

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by josef4334

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Originally Posted by ICB

Well thats stupid because ref did not call it a knockdown, and i didn't think it was a knockdown anyway. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks the ref's decision is final and officially its 4 knockdowns end of.

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come on ICB. you are better than that. so if you're saying this, then you're also saying that MAB didnt score a KD against jmm coz the ref didnt call it?

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As i recall Barrera hit Marquez with a clean counter right and both of Marquez's gloves touched the canvas. Marquez was hit by Pacquiao but didn't go down, and he wasn't on his way down even if he wouldn't of held onto the ropes. Unless im wrong don't the rules state that its only called a knockdown if your on your way down to the canvas and you hold the ropes to stop yourself from going down. As i recall that did not happen in Marquez vs Pacquiao 2. But i will watch it again because i could be wrong.

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Just re watched it and yes it could of been scored a knockdown but even if it would of been i would have still had it a draw. And all the people on this board with 115-112 scorecards would have still had Marquez winning as well.

Bruce you scoring the 11th round for Pacquiao is a bit of a mystery to me i just re watched that round and that was clear cut round for Marquez. He stunned Pacquiao twice in that round and landed the better shots in that round. I think you need to re watch that round because if you would score that round for Marquez you would have Marquez winning.

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Originally Posted by ICB

Bruce you scoring the 11th round for Pacquiao is a bit of a mystery to me i just re watched that round and that was clear cut round for Marquez. He stunned Pacquiao twice in that round and landed the better shots in that round. I think you need to re watch that round because if you would score that round for Marquez you would have Marquez winning.

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I will surely watch it again as many times as possible if that will settle the issue. hope you also do the same.:cool:

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by josef4334

come on ICB. you are better than that. so if you're saying this, then you're also saying that MAB didnt score a KD against jmm coz the ref didnt call it?

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As i recall Barrera hit Marquez with a clean counter right and both of Marquez's gloves touched the canvas. Marquez was hit by Pacquiao but didn't go down, and he wasn't on his way down even if he wouldn't of held onto the ropes. Unless im wrong don't the rules state that its only called a knockdown if your on your way down to the canvas and you hold the ropes to stop yourself from going down. As i recall that did not happen in Marquez vs Pacquiao 2. But i will watch it again because i could be wrong.

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Just re watched it and yes it could of been scored a knockdown but even if it would of been i would have still had it a draw. And all the people on this board with 115-112 scorecards would have still had Marquez winning as well.

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see.. i know you're better than that. but then again, why do you keep insisting the outcome of the fight? neither of us can change that. just like you said, the decision was final.

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

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Originally Posted by ICB

Well thats stupid because ref did not call it a knockdown, and i didn't think it was a knockdown anyway. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks the ref's decision is final and officially its 4 knockdowns end of.

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...Just like the ring officials judged the fight an overall win for Pac. The decision is final. :)

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When did i ever say it wasn't ?? but that doesn't mean people can't debate over the decision.

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We can. But the ring officials sees what we pacfans saw that night - a victory for Pac.

stop it guys, he'll just hold more grudge against us pacfans.

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Originally Posted by josef4334

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by ICB

As i recall Barrera hit Marquez with a clean counter right and both of Marquez's gloves touched the canvas. Marquez was hit by Pacquiao but didn't go down, and he wasn't on his way down even if he wouldn't of held onto the ropes. Unless im wrong don't the rules state that its only called a knockdown if your on your way down to the canvas and you hold the ropes to stop yourself from going down. As i recall that did not happen in Marquez vs Pacquiao 2. But i will watch it again because i could be wrong.

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Just re watched it and yes it could of been scored a knockdown but even if it would of been i would have still had it a draw. And all the people on this board with 115-112 scorecards would have still had Marquez winning as well.

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see.. i know you're better than that. but then again, why do you keep insisting the outcome of the fight? neither of us can change that. just like you said, the decision was final.

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I was just saying that even if the other knockdown would of been scored i would have still had it a draw.

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

...Just like the ring officials judged the fight an overall win for Pac. The decision is final. :)

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When did i ever say it wasn't ?? but that doesn't mean people can't debate over the decision.

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We can. But the ring officials sees what we pacfans saw that night - a victory for Pac.

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What rounds did you score for Pac ??

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Originally Posted by brucelee

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Originally Posted by ICB

Bruce you scoring the 11th round for Pacquiao is a bit of a mystery to me i just re watched that round and that was clear cut round for Marquez. He stunned Pacquiao twice in that round and landed the better shots in that round. I think you need to re watch that round because if you would score that round for Marquez you would have Marquez winning.

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I will surely watch it again as many times as possible if that will settle the issue. hope you also do the same.:cool:

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Please do im not complaining about your scorecard but i just think 11th was Marquez's round clearly so i would like you to re watch that round and give me your opinion.

....a pac fan that didn't watch the fight as it happened ??!!

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

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Originally Posted by ICB

When did i ever say it wasn't ?? but that doesn't mean people can't debate over the decision.

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We can. But the ring officials sees what we pacfans saw that night - a victory for Pac.

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What rounds did you score for Pac ??

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My opinions will not matter to you coz you already made up your mind. You think Marquez won and that's it (that's your mind set). You're just gonna contradict everything I say anyways. But here it goes... Hear me out now...

I had some rounds even. Yes, believe it. From watching the fight over and over again, I keep changing my mind from 113-114 Pacquiao and 115-116 Pacquiao. That's how close the fight was. Many times I was tempted to watch the fight carefully of both fighters on tape and score it round by round, with the freest option to view a round as often as I wish to get a better assessment of the winner. In my own final scorecards MP won (116-115). For me, Rds 1, 7, 9 & 12 are even 10. Rds 3, 4, 10 & 11 are for Manny (10-8, 10-9, 10-9, 10-9) respectively. Rds 2, 5, 6, 8 are for JMM (10-9). All rounds, MP is always the agreesor landing power blows compared to JMM landing many blows but it did'nt hurt MP much and JMM normally backs off counter punching. But when he tries to fight toe-to toe with MP in rd 3, he was KD, so he goes back to counter-punching. Thus, he cannot sustain the hard power blows of MP toe-to toe.

Eventually, though I felt it would be unfair to the three judges hired to score it based on what they saw in their angle in real time.

The three gentlemen may well be the most pressured ones inside the venue, what with a drawback of having only one angle of the fight despite sitting at ringside and the thought of being ridiculed if they erred.

Having said that: - the verdict is to live with the official decision because the ruling may be debatable but definitely not controversial just like I wrote in my blog.

Peace...













Hey Manny, nice shoes!!! ;D
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008...arquez_580.jpg

The only thing i disagree with is 12th round being even that was JMM's round no doubt in my mind, and 11th was JMM's as well IMO anyway's.

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

We can. But the ring officials sees what we pacfans saw that night - a victory for Pac.

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What rounds did you score for Pac ??

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My opinions will not matter to you coz you already made up your mind. You think Marquez won and that's it (that's your mind set). You're just gonna contradict everything I say anyways. But here it goes... Hear me out now...

I had some rounds even. Yes, believe it. From watching the fight over and over again, I keep changing my mind from 113-114 Pacquiao and 115-116 Pacquiao. That's how close the fight was. Many times I was tempted to watch the fight carefully of both fighters on tape and score it round by round, with the freest option to view a round as often as I wish to get a better assessment of the winner. In my own final scorecards MP won (116-115). For me, Rds 1, 7, 9 & 12 are even 10. Rds 3, 4, 10 & 11 are for Manny (10-8, 10-9, 10-9, 10-9) respectively. Rds 2, 5, 6, 8 are for JMM (10-9). All rounds, MP is always the agreesor landing power blows compared to JMM landing many blows but it did'nt hurt MP much and JMM normally backs off counter punching. But when he tries to fight toe-to toe with MP in rd 3, he was KD, so he goes back to counter-punching. Thus, he cannot sustain the hard power blows of MP toe-to toe.

Eventually, though I felt it would be unfair to the three judges hired to score it based on what they saw in their angle in real time.

The three gentlemen may well be the most pressured ones inside the venue, what with a drawback of having only one angle of the fight despite sitting at ringside and the thought of being ridiculed if they erred.

Having said that: - the verdict is to live with the official decision because the ruling may be debatable but definitely not controversial just like I wrote in my blog.

Peace...













Hey Manny, nice shoes!!! ;D
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008...arquez_580.jpg

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This post deserves a rep but unfortunately the system prevents me from doing it.

Round 11 is truly for Pacquaio. I agree with the issue on judging real time. ICB, you should know that very well coz even you made a mistake of proclaiming it a robbery while you were doing the RBR.

There is a great difference in judging it through video and real time. The pressure and all the past face action can't simply be caught easily while watching it live.

Anyway, after watching the video, am still convinced that Pacquaio won that fight fairly. By landing the harder shots alone (by way of KD), one cannot deny the fact that Pacquaio did better in that fight.

If Marquez aint satisfied, then he should be asking for a rematch after Pacquaio fights Diaz.I'm sure Pacquaio will fight him again.:cool: