Prime Calzaghe vs Prime Jones Jr. who wins?

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Originally Posted by ross

Put it this way, Calzaghe has never comer close to losing in the longest championship reign in boxing;D

Joe has also beaten 2 undefeated reigning champs

Jones has only defeated 1 undefeted reigning champ in Toney

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Dude since when does someone being undefeated matter?

Do you honestly rank Lacy(one of the two undefeated) in the same league as Hopkins or toney?

Lets not forget Reggie Johnson had James Toney very hurt and against people like Tarver and such he came close to defeating them at his old age.

Jones on the other hand dominated him like no one has.


Roy Jones' resume is better then Joe Calzaghe's.

and to markus

Why would you ignore that Calzaghe beat a weight drained Chris Eubank with barely enough time to prepare for him but are so quick to point out that The body snatcher was an older age, and like ICB said he went on to give James Toney a tough fight and still had greatness in him.

And to ross again, how would Joe outwork Jones in his prime?

You mean like Bryant Brannon tried to? By throwing 100 punches against Jones, when only a few of them landed and Roy punching him between the gloves.

I think people forget that Rou was a very very good counter puncher especially when people tried to pressure him he would always punch between the guard with his combination punching.

Calzaghe who showed against Hopkins he can be countered in between his flurries when Hopkins only threw one straight right hand which knocked Calzaghe off balance, how do you think Roy's right hand especially at 168 would have done to Joe. And if Roy had Joe down like Hopkins did(on the first right hand Hopkins threw) then Roy would have finished him.


Calzaghe isn't in the same league as Roy Jones. And Prime for Prime Jones would destroy Joe.

Joe is a good fighter, but Roy is in another class alltogether. How can someone who struggles against someone Roy beat 10+ years ago expected to beat Roy?

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Originally Posted by southakron314

I knew making this poll would stir up some shit. Especialy those no minded numbnutted retards who accually think Joke Calslappy would win. Hell he is affriad of Pavlik.

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Yes.. a thread purely designed to start a Calzaghe bashing frenzy.

How about you do a Pavlik-Jones prime bout? There will be plenty (hopefully a few) "no minded numbnutted retards" picking Pavlik ;)

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Originally Posted by ross

Jones lost a few times and sparked a couple as well, he also got caught cheating with steroids, its all old news, no use crying over spilt milk.

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Roy lost and looked vulnerable only after he came back down from heavyweight and losing that muscle and that can truly mess you up for quite a while. I've yet to see Calzaghe take that kind of risk.

And Roy didn't get caught cheating with steroids, did you even follow the story?

It was Ripped Fuel over the counter, and Richard Hall tested positive as well

The Type A test they gave Roy was what came out saying he was over, the second B test said he was clean.

Why do you think his victory stands?

If the type B test was positive then the victory would have been taken away changed to a no contest and Roy would have been suspended.

None of that happened? Why do you think? Because the second test was negative.

So jones didn't get "busted" for steroids.

Joe is still unbeaten and hasnt been cheating with steroids;D

It matters alot that Joe took on young undefeated champs and beat them up, well in to his thirties, when was the last time Jones could say that?;D

Joe aint on Jones level your right, hes on a level above, he knows how to keep winning;D

Jones had his day, dont fret that he couldnt match Joes gameness and winningness;D

Also, if getting dropped is being close to losing then didnt Roy come close to losing against a vry ordinary David Telesco? Hmmmm

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Originally Posted by ross

Joe is still unbeaten and hasnt been cheating with steroids;D

It matters alot that Joe took on young undefeated champs and beat them up, well in to his thirties, when was the last time Jones could say that?;D

Joe aint on Jones level your right, hes on a level above, he knows how to keep winning;D

Jones had his day, dont fret that he couldnt match Joes gameness and winningness;D

Also, if getting dropped is being close to losing then didnt Roy come close to losing against a vry ordinary David Telesco? Hmmmm

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Which undefeated person that joe beat was close to hopkins or toney?

I think you're talking out of your ass right now.

I watched the David Telesco fight with my dad, and Roy won that fight easily with a fractured wrist and dominated him and afterwards the HBO crew gave him a birthday cake.

You just saying that he came close to losing to David Telesco throws out the rest of your argument, he beat the crap out of him and didn't lose one round. How did he come close to losing?

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by ross

Joe is still unbeaten and hasnt been cheating with steroids;D

It matters alot that Joe took on young undefeated champs and beat them up, well in to his thirties, when was the last time Jones could say that?;D

Joe aint on Jones level your right, hes on a level above, he knows how to keep winning;D

Jones had his day, dont fret that he couldnt match Joes gameness and winningness;D

Also, if getting dropped is being close to losing then didnt Roy come close to losing against a vry ordinary David Telesco? Hmmmm

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Which undefeated person that joe beat was close to hopkins or toney?

I think you're talking out of your ass right now.

I watched the David Telesco fight with my dad, and Roy won that fight easily with a fractured wrist and dominated him and afterwards the HBO crew gave him a birthday cake.

You just saying that he came close to losing to David Telesco throws out the rest of your argument, he beat the crap out of him and didn't lose one round. How did he come close to losing?

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I just laugh at how biased he is its just hilarious and he wasn't even dropped by Telesco what the hell are you on about Ross ?? atleast to my knowledge he wasn't last time i watched the fight but it has been a few years since i've seen it. But i only remember Jones being dropped by Del Valle in his prime and that was a flash knockdown.

Prime Jones would not just beat Calzaghe he would destroy him;)

Prime Jones for sure beats Calzaghe. Right now Calazghe will outwork him. It looks like this fight is comming up.

Jones Jr. by a mile. One of the easiest questions to answer in quite some time.

The display Jones put on fellow future hall of famer James Toney could go down as one of the best displays of boxing ever. He beat Toney as easy if not easier than calzaghe beat Lacy in his best fight.

Now who is the better fighter Lacy or Toney?

Answers the question there.

The 6 people who voted for Calzaghe must have forgotten how fast the prime Roy Jones was. Clazaghe might have been able to win 2 rounds or so.

These people backing Calzaghe against Jones is just COMPLETELY OUT OF THEIR MINDS!!!

ICB said that Joe has come close to losing because he got dropped, well if thats the case then Jones must also have come close because he got dropped and as someone pointed out im getting Jones opponents mixed up (its easy because they are forgetable) I think it was Del Valle.

So that answers your question as to why Jones getting dropped is close to losing;)

I dont believe that being dropped is close to losing but if it can be used against Calzaghe then it should be used against Jones;D

See how silly that was;D

Kessler was as good as Hopkins and Toney, before Calzaghe again proved how stellar he is;D Kessler was regarded as superman by alot of people here, he had unified 2 belts and been a champ for 4 years.

Toney could only manage to get 1 belt, he couldnt manage to unify anything;D He also had a hard time against the Blade, the same Blade that Nigel Benn wiped out 3 years earlier;D

jones would have ko'd calzaghe by round 7, or he would have won by clear ud

With Jones lack of workrate there is noway he would beat a prime Calzaghe easily.

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

With Jones lack of workrate there is noway he would beat a prime Calzaghe easily.

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Yeh I agree with that. As I said earlier in the thread, I definitely would see RJJ winning, but it wouldn't be easy. JCC is a helluva lot beter than Di Valle or Griffin;)

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Originally Posted by ross

ICB said that Joe has come close to losing because he got dropped, well if thats the case then Jones must also have come close because he got dropped and as someone pointed out im getting Jones opponents mixed up (its easy because they are forgetable) I think it was Del Valle.

So that answers your question as to why Jones getting dropped is close to losing;)

I dont believe that being dropped is close to losing but if it can be used against Calzaghe then it should be used against Jones;D

See how silly that was;D

Kessler was as good as Hopkins and Toney, before Calzaghe again proved how stellar he is;D Kessler was regarded as superman by alot of people here, he had unified 2 belts and been a champ for 4 years.

Toney could only manage to get 1 belt, he couldnt manage to unify anything;D He also had a hard time against the Blade, the same Blade that Nigel Benn wiped out 3 years earlier;D

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No your the silly one certain knockdowns are different in boxing and you would know that if you actually watched Calzaghe vs Salem or if you actually done boxing yourself, Jones vs Del Valle was a flash knockdown and the punch wasn't that hard, where as Calzaghe was knocked down heavily by a hard right hand by Salem. And he was lucky it was just below the chin otherwise he could have been in even more trouble. Now i know your a hater Toney struggled with Barkley are you kidding me ?? you haven't seen that fight have you ?? you just made yourself look ridiculous with that comment. Try watching the fight Toney beat the living hell out of Barkley winning every round, and it was one of the finest boxing master classes in recent boxing history. Kessler was considered superman ?? please his best win was over Anthony Mundine.

Heres the first part watch the whole fight and tell me Toney struggled with Barkley :lolhaha:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd1fx46gW2c

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

With Jones lack of workrate there is noway he would beat a prime Calzaghe easily.

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Yeh I agree with that. As I said earlier in the thread, I definitely would see RJJ winning, but it wouldn't be easy. JCC is a helluva lot beter than Di Valle or Griffin;)

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Jones never struggled with Del Valle he won every round against Del Valle except the round he was knocked down in, and he slipped on a wetspot. Because later in the fight Del Valle also slipped on the same wet spot Jones did when he went down. And Griffin was awkward so he gave Jones some problems, but he still wiped out Griffin in the rematch so that pretty much erases the first fight.

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

With Jones lack of workrate there is noway he would beat a prime Calzaghe easily.

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Yeh I agree with that. As I said earlier in the thread, I definitely would see RJJ winning, but it wouldn't be easy. JCC is a helluva lot beter than Di Valle or Griffin;)

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I think Jones would win but Joe has a bad style for him and would make Roy Jones work every second.

Just a shame it didnt happen 5yrs ago.

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Originally Posted by ross

ICB said that Joe has come close to losing because he got dropped, well if thats the case then Jones must also have come close because he got dropped and as someone pointed out im getting Jones opponents mixed up (its easy because they are forgetable) I think it was Del Valle.

So that answers your question as to why Jones getting dropped is close to losing;)

I dont believe that being dropped is close to losing but if it can be used against Calzaghe then it should be used against Jones;D

See how silly that was;D

Kessler was as good as Hopkins and Toney, before Calzaghe again proved how stellar he is;D Kessler was regarded as superman by alot of people here, he had unified 2 belts and been a champ for 4 years.

Toney could only manage to get 1 belt, he couldnt manage to unify anything;D He also had a hard time against the Blade, the same Blade that Nigel Benn wiped out 3 years earlier;D

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Kessler? are you kidding. He could not even hold Toney's hold Toney's and Hopkin's jock.

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Originally Posted by ross

ICB said that Joe has come close to losing because he got dropped, well if thats the case then Jones must also have come close because he got dropped and as someone pointed out im getting Jones opponents mixed up (its easy because they are forgetable) I think it was Del Valle.

So that answers your question as to why Jones getting dropped is close to losing;)

I dont believe that being dropped is close to losing but if it can be used against Calzaghe then it should be used against Jones;D

See how silly that was;D

Kessler was as good as Hopkins and Toney, before Calzaghe again proved how stellar he is;D Kessler was regarded as superman by alot of people here, he had unified 2 belts and been a champ for 4 years.

Toney could only manage to get 1 belt, he couldnt manage to unify anything;D He also had a hard time against the Blade, the same Blade that Nigel Benn wiped out 3 years earlier;D

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Kessler? are you kidding. He could not even hold Toney's and Hopkin's jock.

Calzaghe nearly lost to Robin Reid and a 43 year old Hopkins so a prime Roy Jones would make Calzaghe look stupid he would punish him with his right hand down the middle he would drop him a few times then stop him in 7 rounds.look at it this way Calzaghe has made 21 or 22 defences of his super middle title Jones made 6 defences i think of his super middle title and he is recognised by most as the best super middle ever.

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

With Jones lack of workrate there is noway he would beat a prime Calzaghe easily.

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Yeh I agree with that. As I said earlier in the thread, I definitely would see RJJ winning, but it wouldn't be easy. JCC is a helluva lot beter than Di Valle or Griffin;)

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Jones never struggled with Del Valle he won every round against Del Valle except the round he was knocked down in, and he slipped on a wetspot. Because later in the fight Del Valle also slipped on the same wet spot Jones did when he went down. And Griffin was awkward so he gave Jones some problems, but he still wiped out Griffin in the rematch so that pretty much erases the first fight.

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The DiValle comment was in relation to the fact that RJJ could be knocked down, not the fact that he won the fight clearly. The 2nd Griffin doesn't really erase the first fight - it happened, so therefore cannot be erased.

I'm not arguing for JC here, I think RJJ would win the fight and probabaly comfortably, but not EASILY!

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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Yeh I agree with that. As I said earlier in the thread, I definitely would see RJJ winning, but it wouldn't be easy. JCC is a helluva lot beter than Di Valle or Griffin;)

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Jones never struggled with Del Valle he won every round against Del Valle except the round he was knocked down in, and he slipped on a wetspot. Because later in the fight Del Valle also slipped on the same wet spot Jones did when he went down. And Griffin was awkward so he gave Jones some problems, but he still wiped out Griffin in the rematch so that pretty much erases the first fight.

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The DiValle comment was in relation to the fact that RJJ could be knocked down, not the fact that he won the fight clearly. The 2nd Griffin doesn't really erase the first fight - it happened, so therefore cannot be erased.

I'm not arguing for JC here, I think RJJ would win the fight and probabaly comfortably, but not EASILY!

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Well lets remember BIG H Del Valle was RJJ's sparring partner for many years so he probably picked up on some weaknesses sparring many rounds with RJJ. I know when i sparr with the same person a few times i start picking up on pattens the way feint, the way they plant there feet, knowing what to expect next, knowing there defense flaws, knowing the punches they telegraph with allowing me capitalize with a counter shot etc. I don't really think Griffin was troubling RJJ to the extent of RJJ on the verge of losing yes RJJ was losing but thats because Griffin was short and could get under the punches, and was awkward as hell. Remember RJJ did figure out Griffin by the 7th round when he knocked him down and he come on strong in the later rounds, i think the 2nd fight erases the 1st fight simply because once RJJ found the pattern on how to beat Griffin, he showed Griffin was no match for him.

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Originally Posted by tysonbruno

Calzaghe nearly lost to Robin Reid and a 43 year old Hopkins so a prime Roy Jones would make Calzaghe look stupid he would punish him with his right hand down the middle he would drop him a few times then stop him in 7 rounds.look at it this way Calzaghe has made 21 or 22 defences of his super middle title Jones made 6 defences i think of his super middle title and he is recognised by most as the best super middle ever.

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So what?

Mayweather nearly lost to Castillo did that mean Hatton beats Floyd NO.

3,000+ posts you know you cannot take opposition in kind as a way of pre determaning the out come of a fight. If that was the case George Foreman would have smashed Muhammad Ali in 2rds.

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Calzaghe nearly lost to Robin Reid and a 43 year old Hopkins so a prime Roy Jones would make Calzaghe look stupid he would punish him with his right hand down the middle he would drop him a few times then stop him in 7 rounds.look at it this way Calzaghe has made 21 or 22 defences of his super middle title Jones made 6 defences i think of his super middle title and he is recognised by most as the best super middle ever.

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So what?

Mayweather nearly lost to Castillo did that mean Hatton beats Floyd NO.

3,000+ posts you know you cannot take opposition in kind as a way of pre determaning the out come of a fight. If that was the case George Foreman would have smashed Muhammad Ali in 2rds.

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My main point is if he can nearly lose to a Robin Reid or a 43 year old Hopkins who are nowhere near the fighter a prime jones was how could Calzaghe win he couldn't and he would get beat easy.Are you really Calzaghe?;D

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Originally Posted by ross

ICB said that Joe has come close to losing because he got dropped, well if thats the case then Jones must also have come close because he got dropped and as someone pointed out im getting Jones opponents mixed up (its easy because they are forgetable) I think it was Del Valle.

So that answers your question as to why Jones getting dropped is close to losing;)

I dont believe that being dropped is close to losing but if it can be used against Calzaghe then it should be used against Jones;D

See how silly that was;D

Kessler was as good as Hopkins and Toney, before Calzaghe again proved how stellar he is;D Kessler was regarded as superman by alot of people here, he had unified 2 belts and been a champ for 4 years.

Toney could only manage to get 1 belt, he couldnt manage to unify anything;D He also had a hard time against the Blade, the same Blade that Nigel Benn wiped out 3 years earlier;D

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No your the silly one certain knockdowns are different in boxing and you would know that if you actually watched Calzaghe vs Salem or if you actually done boxing yourself, Jones vs Del Valle was a flash knockdown and the punch wasn't that hard, where as Calzaghe was knocked down heavily by a hard right hand by Salem. And he was lucky it was just below the chin otherwise he could have been in even more trouble. Now i know your a hater Toney struggled with Barkley are you kidding me ?? you haven't seen that fight have you ?? you just made yourself look ridiculous with that comment. Try watching the fight Toney beat the living hell out of Barkley winning every round, and it was one of the finest boxing master classes in recent boxing history. Kessler was considered superman ?? please his best win was over Anthony Mundine.

Heres the first part watch the whole fight and tell me Toney struggled with Barkley :lolhaha:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd1fx46gW2c

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Compared to what Benn did to a younger fresher Barkley Toney did struggle, I have boxed, 18 amature fights wan 12, ive seen all Calzaghes fights since Mark Delaney, I have even seen the Mario Veit rematch that wasnt televised in the uk.

Toney only had 1 belt, Kessler had the top two belts and had fought as a champ for 4 years in that division;D

Jones was a good fighter but Calzaghe would have made him fight like no one has, he hasnt faced anyone with Joes workrate, even though Jones is older you will still see the same tactics he would have employed if they do fight, he will lean back on the ropes with a high guard till he gets stopped, same as Johnson did.

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Calzaghe nearly lost to Robin Reid and a 43 year old Hopkins so a prime Roy Jones would make Calzaghe look stupid he would punish him with his right hand down the middle he would drop him a few times then stop him in 7 rounds.look at it this way Calzaghe has made 21 or 22 defences of his super middle title Jones made 6 defences i think of his super middle title and he is recognised by most as the best super middle ever.

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So what?

Mayweather nearly lost to Castillo did that mean Hatton beats Floyd NO.

3,000+ posts you know you cannot take opposition in kind as a way of pre determaning the out come of a fight. If that was the case George Foreman would have smashed Muhammad Ali in 2rds.

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My main point is if he can nearly lose to a Robin Reid or a 43 year old Hopkins who are nowhere near the fighter a prime jones was how could Calzaghe win he couldn't and he would get beat easy.Are you really Calzaghe?;D

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The old figher A struggled with fighter B who fighter C beat easier so fighter C beats A and if you disagree throw in a favoratism comment as an ignorant way of trying to convice someone that throughout boxing that has always been the case. When infact opponents in comon and there results have no bearing on the outcome of any given fight.

Like i said as one example Ali would have had no chance against Foreman as Ali struggled and lost to both Frazier and Norton while Foreman desroyed both.

Styles its all about styles.

And from Toney until the first Tarver fight Jones really didnt fight anyone of any real quality.

Like i said if i was a betting man i would have bet on Jones but for people to say this is a mismatch or would be a one-sided beatdown know little about the game.

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Originally Posted by ICB

certain knockdowns are different in boxing

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Oh right;D

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I don't really think Griffin was troubling RJJ to the extent of RJJ on the verge of losing yes RJJ was losing .

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Oh right;D

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Originally Posted by ICB

certain knockdowns are different in boxing

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Oh right;D

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I don't really think Griffin was troubling RJJ to the extent of RJJ on the verge of losing yes RJJ was losing .

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Oh right;D

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Ross i don't know what your problem is but your acting very immature and stupid for someone that has supposedly boxed, i said RJJ was losing at that point in the fight, but he never looked in any trouble Griffin was just doing that little bit more. Until the 7th round when Jones knocked Griffin down then Jones started to have an easier time with Griffin, and as for you quoting my comment about certain knockdowns are different in boxing of course they are that is obvious isn't it ?? some knockdowns you can be off balance, some knockdowns can be down to you being caught cold etc theres many different variations. And as for your comment regarding Barkley, if you have watched the fight you should know Benn was badly shaken in that fight by a left hook from Barkley, and he hit Barkley while he was on the canvas 3 times and he should of been DQ, Toney never looked in trouble and gave Barkley a boxing master class. And for you to say Toney struggled against Barkley is damn right absurd and ridiculous. And you have seen majority of Calzaghe's fights so what ?? so have i i've got his career set. But outside of that your knowledge is very limited, you said Jones was floored by Telesco when that was BS and lies, and you said Toney struggled with Barkley which is BS and lies.

One last question which are Kessler's best wins ?? Craig Cumming, Librado Andrade, Anthony Mundine, Manny Siaca etc ??

Toney's best wins before the Jones fight were Merqui Sosa, Iran Barkley, Mike McCallum, Michael Nunn, Reggie Johnson, Tim Littles, Charles Williams, Doug De Witt, and titles at two weight classes and he was top 3 P4P fighter at the time, to say even consider that Kessler was rated higher than Toney was at the time when Jones fought him, or too even say he was a better fighter, is ludicrous and shows you know nothing about boxing and your just a plain and simple hater.

geezuc Chrise.. Calzaghe struggles with the straight right, Jones snap and hanspeed would be something to behold... Jones was backing up and busting up a 240 John Ruiz, you think he isint gonna hurt Calzaghe?

Jones punches have alot of snap and accuracey were as Joe can throw fast but they are typically arm punches and slaps designed to score points.. Jones would toy with him like he did with all the others

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Originally Posted by ICB

certain knockdowns are different in boxing

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Oh right;D

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I don't really think Griffin was troubling RJJ to the extent of RJJ on the verge of losing yes RJJ was losing .

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Oh right;D

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I just hit your ass with neg rep BTW :D

Im a hater:rolleyes: Grow up with the cheesy cliches;D

Calzaghe struggles with straight rights? by struggling do you mean beating everyone hes faced and being the top dog in two divisions?

Oh no, ive been negative repped?

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Originally Posted by ross

Im a hater:rolleyes: Grow up with the cheesy cliches;D

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Either that or your up Calzaghe's ass. Anyone saying Calzaghe would beat prime RJJ is deluded and deserves neg rep.

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certain knockdowns are different in boxing

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Oh right;D

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I don't really think Griffin was troubling RJJ to the extent of RJJ on the verge of losing yes RJJ was losing .

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Oh right;D

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Ross i don't know what your problem is but your acting very immature and stupid for someone that has supposedly boxed, i said RJJ was losing at that point in the fight, but he never looked in any trouble Griffin was just doing that little bit more. Until the 7th round when Jones knocked Griffin down then Jones started to have an easier time with Griffin, and as for you quoting my comment about certain knockdowns are different in boxing of course they are that is obvious isn't it ?? some knockdowns you can be off balance, some knockdowns can be down to you being caught cold etc theres many different variations. And as for your comment regarding Barkley, if you have watched the fight you should know Benn was badly shaken in that fight by a left hook from Barkley, and he hit Barkley while he was on the canvas 3 times and he should of been DQ, Toney never looked in trouble and gave Barkley a boxing master class. And for you to say Toney struggled against Barkley is damn right absurd and ridiculous. And you have seen majority of Calzaghe's fights so what ?? so have i i've got his career set. But outside of that your knowledge is very limited, you said Jones was floored by Telesco when that was BS and lies, and you said Toney struggled with Barkley which is BS and lies.

One last question which are Kessler's best wins ?? Craig Cumming, Librado Andrade, Anthony Mundine, Manny Siaca etc ??

Toney's best wins before the Jones fight were Merqui Sosa, Iran Barkley, Mike McCallum, Michael Nunn, Reggie Johnson, Tim Littles, Charles Williams, Doug De Witt, and titles at two weight classes and he was top 3 P4P fighter at the time, to say even consider that Kessler was rated higher than Toney was at the time when Jones fought him, or too even say he was a better fighter, is ludicrous and shows you know nothing about boxing and your just a plain and simple hater.

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I believe that wraps up this segment of: you just got Cock Whipped by ICB;D

God i hope Jones beats Calzaghe when they meet this year anybody who thinks a prime calzaghe would beat or could beat a prime Jones is CRAZY!!;)

You better keep hoping and praying to god, you know Jones will need it, Ha ha ha ha;D

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Originally Posted by ross

Im a hater:rolleyes: Grow up with the cheesy cliches;D

Calzaghe struggles with straight rights? by struggling do you mean beating everyone hes faced and being the top dog in two divisions?

Oh no, ive been negative repped?

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Almost Negged you too, but I didnt seeing your entitled to your opinion and at least your debating your way around which is cool with me, even if I disagree with you...

I'll put more stock in RJJ beating soundly Toney and Hopkins than anyone Calzaghe ever faced.. I'm a Calzaghe fan too but its time to let it go already... Joe would be the betting Underdog against a prime Toney and Hopkins....

Toney's best wins before the Jones fight were

Merqui Sosa, good win

Iran Barkley, wiped out in a round by Benn, had five (two by ko) before facing Toney

Mike McCallum, was already beaten by journeyman sumbu kalambay

Michael Nunn, good win

Reggie Johnson, had a loss, nothing special

Tim Littles, good win

Charles Williams, had five losses one by ko

Doug De Witt, seven losses and another recycled benn opponent

Not a bad resume at all but he still couldnt put two titles together

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Originally Posted by ross

Toney's best wins before the Jones fight were

Merqui Sosa, good win

Iran Barkley, wiped out in a round by Benn, had five (two by ko) before facing Toney

Mike McCallum, was already beaten by journeyman sumbu kalambay

Michael Nunn, good win

Reggie Johnson, had a loss, nothing special

Tim Littles, good win

Charles Williams, had five losses one by ko

Doug De Witt, seven losses and another recycled benn opponent

Not a bad resume at all but he still couldnt put two titles together

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I stopped reading when you said Sumbu Kalambay was a journeyman are you kidding me ?? he had over 60+ fights and was only ever KO'ed once by one of the hardest punches i've ever seen from Michael Nunn. And he had good wins over McCallum, Graham x2, Collins, Barkley, etc. To call Kalambay a jounreyman has just shown how limited your boxing knowledge is, he was one of the most underrated Middleweights of the 80s, and was a very skilled fighter especially his upper body movement which was superb.