Prime Calzaghe vs Prime Jones Jr. who wins?

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Yeh I agree with that. As I said earlier in the thread, I definitely would see RJJ winning, but it wouldn't be easy. JCC is a helluva lot beter than Di Valle or Griffin

Jones never struggled with Del Valle he won every round against Del Valle except the round he was knocked down in, and he slipped on a wetspot. Because later in the fight Del Valle also slipped on the same wet spot Jones did when he went down. And Griffin was awkward so he gave Jones some problems, but he still wiped out Griffin in the rematch so that pretty much erases the first fight.

The DiValle comment was in relation to the fact that RJJ could be knocked down, not the fact that he won the fight clearly. The 2nd Griffin doesn't really erase the first fight - it happened, so therefore cannot be erased.

I'm not arguing for JC here, I think RJJ would win the fight and probabaly comfortably, but not EASILY!

Well lets remember BIG H Del Valle was RJJ's sparring partner for many years so he probably picked up on some weaknesses sparring many rounds with RJJ. I know when i sparr with the same person a few times i start picking up on pattens the way feint, the way they plant there feet, knowing what to expect next, knowing there defense flaws, knowing the punches they telegraph with allowing me capitalize with a counter shot etc. I don't really think Griffin was troubling RJJ to the extent of RJJ on the verge of losing yes RJJ was losing but thats because Griffin was short and could get under the punches, and was awkward as hell. Remember RJJ did figure out Griffin by the 7th round when he knocked him down and he come on strong in the later rounds, i think the 2nd fight erases the 1st fight simply because once RJJ found the pattern on how to beat Griffin, he showed Griffin was no match for him.