Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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11-13-2008, 04:16 AM
Diane

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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11-13-2008, 04:38 AM
C-Lo

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

On several occasions in the past, the punch mitts on Roach hands came out flying when PAC started to explode in their numerous punch mitts sessions... If Hoya was not able to that during the time Roach trained him then Freddie Roach can say with authority that "PAC hits much harder than Hoya"...
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I had this whole example of why this statement proves nothing written out and ready to click "reply" but then I realized that it wouldn't change anything. Some people just don't have logic...
11-13-2008, 04:47 AM
bond007

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

I think Freddie is either punch drunk or on the pipe. I really hope for a good fight.
11-13-2008, 07:46 AM
XaduBoxer

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/2...ing_ksd102.jpg

Oscar De La Hoya hits a bag during an open workout at his boxing training camp Wednesday, Nov. 12, 2008, in Big Bear, Calif. De La Hoya is preparing for his fight against Manny Pacquiao on Dec. 6 in Las Vegas.

Some of the media people noticed a bluish discoloration (black eye?) under Hoya's right eye... This could be what triggered the "Ortiz mauling Hoya" rumour...

http://philboxing.com/news/pix/odlh.081112.19.330w.jpg

Hoya also looks already dried up...

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11-13-2008, 05:50 PM
C-Lo

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

ESPN says De La Hoya is already weighing 145
11-13-2008, 06:28 PM
GAME

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by C-Lo

ESPN says De La Hoya is already weighing 145

It looks like it . I expect him to be majorly weight drained. Jones showed that moving down 2 weights can effect you bad . Lets see how it effects Oscar
11-13-2008, 07:03 PM
Chino

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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On several occasions in the past, the punch mitts on Roach hands came out flying when PAC started to explode in their numerous punch mitts sessions... If Hoya was not able to do that during the time Roach trained him then Freddie Roach can say with authority that "PAC hits much harder than Hoya"...

Have you heard of acting? If Roach wanted, he could scream "Ooooooooooouch!" everytime Pac hit his mitts or pretend he just can't take it anymore and then look at the cameras and go "See? He hits harder than Oscar!".
11-13-2008, 08:44 PM
killersheep

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

On several occasions in the past, the punch mitts on Roach hands came out flying when PAC started to explode in their numerous punch mitts sessions... If Hoya was not able to do that during the time Roach trained him then Freddie Roach can say with authority that "PAC hits much harder than Hoya"...
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I knocked the mitts off my trainers hands as well, so that must mean I hit harder than ODLH as well. Plus, not to be a dick here, but with Roach's condition won't everything feel like it's hitting him harder now, and have a harder time holding on to the mitts?
11-13-2008, 08:49 PM
killersheep

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by Pacdbest2

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Originally Posted by leftylee number 1 groupie

Some people are out of there mind firstly have many of you have boxed ? do you know the difference getting hit by someone who weighs 10+ more pounds ?

I can tell you from experience that there is a hell of alot difference. ODLH's natural weight is easily 160+ pounds, and its physically impossible for little Manny Pacquiao to hit harder than ODLH. Especially since ODLH's core strength is a big advantage.

And if anyone actually believes Manny Pacquiao hits harder than a man, who is naturally easily 15 pounds heavier than him. Then you need to be whipped round to the nearest doctor because your a danger to society.

A bullet is only weighs an oz but it's enough to kill a 200lbs man. Why ?? Because of Velocity. Pac's punch maybe 10 lbs lighter but it travel much faster than DLHs. The faster a punch travels the harder it lands. This is Basic Physics.

This is an absurd comparison, it is not just velocity, but also because the energy of the blast is focused in a very small area. Not only is PACs punch lighter, but the area of impact will be roughly the same once they get the gloves on. Without having the Ivan Drago punch counter machine measuring pounds per inch of force you have no basis for this argument other than "Roach said so."

Dammit I did it again I can't believe I fell for responding to another one of these damn SADDOBOXER-WANTS-PACS-JOCKSTRAP advertisement threads.
11-13-2008, 08:59 PM
C-Lo

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by Pacdbest2

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Originally Posted by leftylee number 1 groupie

Some people are out of there mind firstly have many of you have boxed ? do you know the difference getting hit by someone who weighs 10+ more pounds ?

I can tell you from experience that there is a hell of alot difference. ODLH's natural weight is easily 160+ pounds, and its physically impossible for little Manny Pacquiao to hit harder than ODLH. Especially since ODLH's core strength is a big advantage.

And if anyone actually believes Manny Pacquiao hits harder than a man, who is naturally easily 15 pounds heavier than him. Then you need to be whipped round to the nearest doctor because your a danger to society.

A bullet is only weighs an oz but it's enough to kill a 200lbs man. Why ?? Because of Velocity. Pac's punch maybe 10 lbs lighter but it travel much faster than DLHs. The faster a punch travels the harder it lands. This is Basic Physics.

This is an absurd comparison, it is not just velocity, but also because the energy of the blast is focused in a very small area. Not only is PACs punch lighter, but the area of impact will be roughly the same once they get the gloves on. Without having the Ivan Drago punch counter machine measuring pounds per inch of force you have no basis for this argument other than "Roach said so."

Dammit I did it again I can't believe I fell for responding to another one of these damn SADDOBOXER-WANTS-PACS-JOCKSTRAP advertisement threads.

I think people reply to these threads to try to have the funniest comment on how to talk about how ridiculous the statement is.

BY THE WAY! THIS JUST IN! Roach claims Pacquiao's chin will be able to take more damage because Manny decided to grow his goatee out!!!
11-13-2008, 09:11 PM
XaduBoxer

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by Chino

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On several occasions in the past, the punch mitts on Roach hands came out flying when PAC started to explode in their numerous punch mitts sessions... If Hoya was not able to do that during the time Roach trained him then Freddie Roach can say with authority that "PAC hits much harder than Hoya"...

Have you heard of acting? If Roach wanted, he could scream "Ooooooooooouch!" everytime Pac hit his mitts or pretend he just can't take it anymore and then look at the cameras and go "See? He hits harder than Oscar!".

PAC knocking out Roach's mitts did not happened on this training camp only... As I've pointed out, it happened many times in the past like when PAC trained for JMM and David Diaz... So you mean Roach and PAC were just acting all these times to generate the hype? I don't think so... Hype isn't in PAC's vocabulary as proven in his fight results...
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11-13-2008, 09:13 PM
leftylee

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by Chino

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On several occasions in the past, the punch mitts on Roach hands came out flying when PAC started to explode in their numerous punch mitts sessions... If Hoya was not able to do that during the time Roach trained him then Freddie Roach can say with authority that "PAC hits much harder than Hoya"...

Have you heard of acting? If Roach wanted, he could scream "Ooooooooooouch!" everytime Pac hit his mitts or pretend he just can't take it anymore and then look at the cameras and go "See? He hits harder than Oscar!".

PAC knocking out Roach's mitts did not happened on this training camp only... As I've pointed out, it happened many times in the past like when PAC trained for JMM and David Diaz... So you mean Roach and PAC were just acting all these times to generate the hype? I don't think so... Hype isn't in PAC's vocabulary as proven in his fight results...
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Pac groupies really do come out with comical shit :lolhaha:
11-13-2008, 09:15 PM
XaduBoxer

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

On several occasions in the past, the punch mitts on Roach hands came out flying when PAC started to explode in their numerous punch mitts sessions... If Hoya was not able to do that during the time Roach trained him then Freddie Roach can say with authority that "PAC hits much harder than Hoya"...
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I knocked the mitts off my trainers hands as well, so that must mean I hit harder than ODLH as well. Plus, not to be a dick here, but with Roach's condition won't everything feel like it's hitting him harder now, and have a harder time holding on to the mitts?

Is your trainer's name Freddie Roach?

If there's one person who can gauge PAC's and Hoya's power with authority then it must be Freddie Roach...
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11-13-2008, 09:18 PM
XaduBoxer

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by leftylee

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by Chino

Have you heard of acting? If Roach wanted, he could scream "Ooooooooooouch!" everytime Pac hit his mitts or pretend he just can't take it anymore and then look at the cameras and go "See? He hits harder than Oscar!".

PAC knocking out Roach's mitts did not happened on this training camp only... As I've pointed out, it happened many times in the past like when PAC trained for JMM and David Diaz... So you mean Roach and PAC were just acting all these times to generate the hype? I don't think so... Hype isn't in PAC's vocabulary as proven in his fight results...
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Pac groupies really do come out with comical shit :lolhaha:

Is that all you can say? You better reinforced your opinion that Roach is lying rather than posting nonsense comments...
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11-13-2008, 09:20 PM
kingfrnk

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

damn how this get over 50 posts:confused:

everybody should know that pac doesnt harder than ODLH especially at 147. hell dont worry abut pacs power. pac fans should worry about his speed. cause he didnt look that fast at 135 so adding 12 more pounds will slow him down even more.
11-13-2008, 09:22 PM
XaduBoxer

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by C-Lo

ESPN says De La Hoya is already weighing 145

Could be true... Hoya looked drained (and black eyed) already...

http://philboxing.com/news/pix/odlh.081112.19.330w.jpg
11-13-2008, 10:48 PM
killersheep

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

On several occasions in the past, the punch mitts on Roach hands came out flying when PAC started to explode in their numerous punch mitts sessions... If Hoya was not able to do that during the time Roach trained him then Freddie Roach can say with authority that "PAC hits much harder than Hoya"...
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I knocked the mitts off my trainers hands as well, so that must mean I hit harder than ODLH as well. Plus, not to be a dick here, but with Roach's condition won't everything feel like it's hitting him harder now, and have a harder time holding on to the mitts?

Is your trainer's name Freddie Roach?

If there's one person who can gauge PAC's and Hoya's power with authority then it must be Freddie Roach...
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No my trainers name is Jason of course he is nowhere near 50 years old and doesn't have Parkinson's disease like Roach does either.
11-13-2008, 11:55 PM
Chino

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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If there's one person who can gauge PAC's and Hoya's power with authority then it must be Freddie Roach...

It's called "hyping a fight" bro. It's his very own fighter, how in the world would someone say something negative about his very own fighter? It just doesn't make sense. So Freddie Roach can go ahead and say his hands end up all numb after working with Pac, sure, let's sell the fight!
Wouldn’t all Mike Tyson trainers say the same? Here we have a heavyweight with dynamite in his punches and I don't remember hearing trainers cry like Freddie Roach because Tyson was hitting those mitts with all his might or are you going to tell me Pac hits harder than Tyson?
11-14-2008, 01:00 AM
XaduBoxer

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by Chino

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If there's one person who can gauge PAC's and Hoya's power with authority then it must be Freddie Roach...

It's called "hyping a fight" bro. It's his very own fighter, how in the world would someone say something negative about his very own fighter? It just doesn't make sense. So Freddie Roach can go ahead and say his hands end up all numb after working with Pac, sure, let's sell the fight!
Wouldn’t all Mike Tyson trainers say the same? Here we have a heavyweight with dynamite in his punches and I don't remember hearing trainers cry like Freddie Roach because Tyson was hitting those mitts with all his might or are you going to tell me Pac hits harder than Tyson?

Normally you won't say anything negative about your own boxer. The trainer well keep all those negatives in the closet. That's the normal thing. So it's very surprising Roach was saying all these negatives about Hoya (his own boxer at one time)...

This could be hyping but PAC doesn't live on hypes, he do his business inside the ring and it's proven by his fight results...

BTW, I don't think Roach is that delusional to claim that PAC hits harder than Tyson... unless if that's what he felt from the punches of the two boxers...
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11-14-2008, 01:05 AM
XaduBoxer

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by killersheep

I knocked the mitts off my trainers hands as well, so that must mean I hit harder than ODLH as well. Plus, not to be a dick here, but with Roach's condition won't everything feel like it's hitting him harder now, and have a harder time holding on to the mitts?

Is your trainer's name Freddie Roach?

If there's one person who can gauge PAC's and Hoya's power with authority then it must be Freddie Roach...
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No my trainers name is Jason of course he is nowhere near 50 years old and doesn't have Parkinson's disease like Roach does either.

Did your trainer Jason was also able to hold the mitts for Hoya?
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11-14-2008, 01:10 AM
Dizaster

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by Chino

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If there's one person who can gauge PAC's and Hoya's power with authority then it must be Freddie Roach...

It's called "hyping a fight" bro. It's his very own fighter, how in the world would someone say something negative about his very own fighter? It just doesn't make sense. So Freddie Roach can go ahead and say his hands end up all numb after working with Pac, sure, let's sell the fight!
Wouldn’t all Mike Tyson trainers say the same? Here we have a heavyweight with dynamite in his punches and I don't remember hearing trainers cry like Freddie Roach because Tyson was hitting those mitts with all his might or are you going to tell me Pac hits harder than Tyson?

In fact some might recall, Freddie has actually held the mitts for Tyson on a training camp... He said that he had some serious power, BUT, he never reported having the mitts knocked completely off his hands... So i'm with Saddoboxer. That not only proves Pac's "knocking-mitts-off-the-hands-power" is more than Oscars, but possibly more than Tyson's as well..

Arguements over..
11-14-2008, 01:17 AM
killersheep

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Is your trainer's name Freddie Roach?

If there's one person who can gauge PAC's and Hoya's power with authority then it must be Freddie Roach...
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No my trainers name is Jason of course he is nowhere near 50 years old and doesn't have Parkinson's disease like Roach does either.

Did your trainer Jason was also able to hold the mitts for Hoya?
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Dude have you ever hit mitts before? It's actually very common for them to come off. Do you even realize how ridiculous your statements are?
Do you think is Roach is going to say "ODLH is much stronger than PAC, I expect the guy who is currently responsible for my salary to get knocked the fuck out."?
11-14-2008, 01:20 AM
XaduBoxer

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

Oscar send note to Manny!
Oscar De La Hoya sent a personal message to Manny Pacquiao this week. While autographing boxing gloves for the 'Dream Match' promotion, Pacman rooted deep into a large cardboard box and spotted a red glove signed in black sharpie by Oscar.

MANNY

I AM GOING TO KNOCK YOU OUT!

OSCAR

Oscar added a little smiley face.

Pacquiao looked at it, laughed and shrugged it off. "He is a great fighter, the Golden Boy," said Pacquiao. "I have been watching him since he won the gold medal at the Olympic Games. He has beaten very famous fighters. That's why defeating him will be very special and important for everyone in the Philippines."
11-14-2008, 01:24 AM
XaduBoxer

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by killersheep

No my trainers name is Jason of course he is nowhere near 50 years old and doesn't have Parkinson's disease like Roach does either.

Did your trainer Jason was also able to hold the mitts for Hoya?
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Dude have you ever hit mitts before? It's actually very common for them to come off. Do you even realize how ridiculous your statements are?
Do you think is Roach is going to say "ODLH is much stronger than PAC, I expect the guy who is currently responsible for my salary to get knocked the fuck out."?

Are you aware that Roach said, he will not ask for any trainer's fee if PAC loses to Hoya?

Zero, nada, zip, nil ... trainer's fee to Roach if PAC will lose this fight...
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11-14-2008, 01:30 AM
killersheep

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Did your trainer Jason was also able to hold the mitts for Hoya?
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Dude have you ever hit mitts before? It's actually very common for them to come off. Do you even realize how ridiculous your statements are?
Do you think is Roach is going to say "ODLH is much stronger than PAC, I expect the guy who is currently responsible for my salary to get knocked the fuck out."?

Are you aware that Roach said, he will not ask for any trainer's fee if PAC loses to Hoya?

Zero, nada, zip, nil ... trainer's fee to Roach if PAC will lose this fight...
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Way to sidestep the topic :sheep: Bout time for you to get one of your alt accounts in here eh?
11-14-2008, 01:35 AM
brucelee

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

congrats Sadddoboxer for doing well with your arguments. whew, I'm giving you the title for being the number 1 fan of Manny Pacquaio.;D;D;D

Lefty is seriously ill and can't make sane arguments that's why he resorts to neg reps.:cool:

Killersheep, positive reps for keeping your cool.
11-14-2008, 01:40 AM
XaduBoxer

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by killersheep

Dude have you ever hit mitts before? It's actually very common for them to come off. Do you even realize how ridiculous your statements are?
Do you think is Roach is going to say "ODLH is much stronger than PAC, I expect the guy who is currently responsible for my salary to get knocked the fuck out."?

Are you aware that Roach said, he will not ask for any trainer's fee if PAC loses to Hoya?

Zero, nada, zip, nil ... trainer's fee to Roach if PAC will lose this fight...
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Way to sidestep the topic :sheep: Bout time for you to get one of your alt accounts in here eh?

Want to get out of the heat? Go ahead the door is wide open...

I'm just responding to your previous statement about trainer's salary... ;)

Of course, flying mitts is just an illustration... Numbed, aching and injured hands and body of the trainer are the true manifestations of the boxer's power as assessed by the trainer...
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11-14-2008, 01:42 AM
brucelee

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Are you aware that Roach said, he will not ask for any trainer's fee if PAC loses to Hoya?

Zero, nada, zip, nil ... trainer's fee to Roach if PAC will lose this fight...
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Way to sidestep the topic :sheep: Bout time for you to get one of your alt accounts in here eh?

Want to get out of the heat? Go ahead the door is wide open...

I'm just responding to your previous statement about trainer's salary... ;)

Of course, flying mitts is just an illustration... Numbed, aching and injured hands and body of the trainer are the true manifestations of the boxer's power as assessed by the trainer...
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TRUE....... and nice counter there Saddoboxer.
11-14-2008, 01:43 AM
XaduBoxer

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by brucelee

congrats Sadddoboxer for doing well with your arguments. whew, I'm giving you the title for being the number 1 fan of Manny Pacquaio.;D;D;D

Lefty is seriously ill and can't make sane arguments that's why he resorts to neg reps.:cool:

Killersheep, positive reps for keeping your cool.

I won't let myself be affected by neg reps... ;D I will just continue to discuss boxing... ;D
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11-14-2008, 02:04 AM
killersheep

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Are you aware that Roach said, he will not ask for any trainer's fee if PAC loses to Hoya?

Zero, nada, zip, nil ... trainer's fee to Roach if PAC will lose this fight...
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Way to sidestep the topic :sheep: Bout time for you to get one of your alt accounts in here eh?

Want to get out of the heat? Go ahead the door is wide open...

I'm just responding to your previous statement about trainer's salary... ;)

Of course, flying mitts is just an illustration... Numbed, aching and injured hands and body of the trainer are the true manifestations of the boxer's power as assessed by the trainer...
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And also part of Parkinsons. So you've never hit the mitts?
11-14-2008, 02:15 AM
XaduBoxer

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by killersheep

Way to sidestep the topic :sheep: Bout time for you to get one of your alt accounts in here eh?

Want to get out of the heat? Go ahead the door is wide open...

I'm just responding to your previous statement about trainer's salary... ;)

Of course, flying mitts is just an illustration... Numbed, aching and injured hands and body of the trainer are the true manifestations of the boxer's power as assessed by the trainer...
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And also part of Parkinsons. So you've never hit the mitts?

Isn't it Roach already has Parkinsons when he trained Hoya? ... It's not an issue... ;)
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11-14-2008, 02:16 AM
killersheep

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Want to get out of the heat? Go ahead the door is wide open...

I'm just responding to your previous statement about trainer's salary... ;)

Of course, flying mitts is just an illustration... Numbed, aching and injured hands and body of the trainer are the true manifestations of the boxer's power as assessed by the trainer...
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And also part of Parkinsons. So you've never hit the mitts?

Isn't it Roach already has Parkinsons when he trained Hoya? ... It's not an issue... ;)
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Are you saying that Parkinson's isn't a degenerative disease that gets progressively worse over time?
11-14-2008, 02:22 AM
XaduBoxer

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by killersheep

And also part of Parkinsons. So you've never hit the mitts?

Isn't it Roach already has Parkinsons when he trained Hoya? ... It's not an issue... ;)
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Are you saying that Parkinson's isn't a degenerative disease that gets progressively worse over time?

If it's your opinion that Roach said these things ("PAC hits much harder than Hoya") because of his deteriorating Parkinsons disease then I respect that... That's your own personal opinion...

We will see on December 6 ...
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11-14-2008, 02:26 AM
killersheep

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Isn't it Roach already has Parkinsons when he trained Hoya? ... It's not an issue... ;)
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Are you saying that Parkinson's isn't a degenerative disease that gets progressively worse over time?

If it's your opinion that Roach said these things ("PAC hits much harder than Hoya") because of his deteriorating Parkinsons disease then I respect that... That's your own personal opinion...

We will see on December 6 ...
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Let's look at the facts then

Roach's Parkinsons is worse than last year, it's the way the disease works. Because of this the impact of PAC's punches will feel much greater than in the past.

Roach's salary IS contingent on PAC so to say anything that would give PAC doubt would endanger his own money.

Mitts flying off hands are a very common occurance and should not be considered a indicator of power.

Care to add anything?
11-14-2008, 02:41 AM
XaduBoxer

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by killersheep

Are you saying that Parkinson's isn't a degenerative disease that gets progressively worse over time?

If it's your opinion that Roach said these things ("PAC hits much harder than Hoya") because of his deteriorating Parkinsons disease then I respect that... That's your own personal opinion...

We will see on December 6 ...
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Let's look at the facts then

1) Roach's Parkinsons is worse than last year, it's the way the disease works. Because of this the impact of PAC's punches will feel much greater than in the past.

2) Roach's salary IS contingent on PAC so to say anything that would give PAC doubt would endanger his own money.

3) Mitts flying off hands are a very common occurance and should not be considered a indicator of power.

Care to add anything?

1) Probably...

2) Roach already said he won't have any salary for this fight if PAC loses...

3) I already mentioned the actual indications of boxers' power in the perspective of the trainer (see my previous post)

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11-14-2008, 02:44 AM
killersheep

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

If it's your opinion that Roach said these things ("PAC hits much harder than Hoya") because of his deteriorating Parkinsons disease then I respect that... That's your own personal opinion...

We will see on December 6 ...
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Let's look at the facts then

1) Roach's Parkinsons is worse than last year, it's the way the disease works. Because of this the impact of PAC's punches will feel much greater than in the past.

2) Roach's salary IS contingent on PAC so to say anything that would give PAC doubt would endanger his own money.

3) Mitts flying off hands are a very common occurance and should not be considered a indicator of power.

Care to add anything?

1) Probably...

2) Roach already said he won't have any salary for this fight if PAC loses...

3) I already mentioned the actual indications of boxers' power in the perspective of the trainer (see my previous post)

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1) Thank you

2) Exactly so putting doubt in PAC's mind would be a bad idea, before the fight agreed?

3) Refer to counter stated in 1) and repeat.
11-14-2008, 02:58 AM
XaduBoxer

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by killersheep

Exactly so putting doubt in PAC's mind would be a bad idea, before the fight agreed?

Agree... but as I've said before, the hype won't matter to PAC... He's not a hype person... PAC's proven record and his acceptance of the fight is enough for me to have faith in his chances against Hoya... It's PAC who will fight Hoya inside the ring...

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11-14-2008, 03:08 AM
Spicoli

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by killersheep

Exactly so putting doubt in PAC's mind would be a bad idea, before the fight agreed?

Agree... but as I've said before, the hype won't matter to PAC... He's not a hype person... PAC's proven record and his acceptance of the fight is enough for me to have faith in his chances against Hoya... It's PAC who will fight Hoya inside the ring...

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Who is Oscar fighting again ? HYPE,the universal breakfast cereal :feedme:
11-14-2008, 03:16 AM
killersheep

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by killersheep

Exactly so putting doubt in PAC's mind would be a bad idea, before the fight agreed?

Agree... but as I've said before, the hype won't matter to PAC... He's not a hype person... PAC's proven record and his acceptance of the fight is enough for me to have faith in his chances against Hoya... It's PAC who will fight Hoya inside the ring...

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Who is Oscar fighting again ? HYPE,the universal breakfast cereal :feedme:

I'm not sure maybe we should start some more treads about it to possibly find out.
11-14-2008, 05:14 AM
No Contest

Re: Manny Pacquiao hits much harder than Hoya?

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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FightFan: Do you think the Mexicans are going to support Manny? I’m hearing a lot of rumblings about that.

Freddie Roach: Of course! Manny fights like a true Mexican warrior. They’ve never liked Oscar and he’s never really had their support and nothing is going to change there.
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lololololol, De La Hoya pissed off to many Mexicans with the JCC fights.

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