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haha ;D Barrera is too much of a warrior... and that cost him the loss to Amir...Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
you know. seeing that. I can totally see why Bilbo thinks he was being a pussy.
My concern is that cut might affect MAB's future fight plans... Might as well call it a day...
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SB. It will certainly take a long time to heal.
I don't think Watt is so bad. He does have some very bad days though.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinJim Watt has to be one of the worst commentators of all time. I never get why they don't give it to Johnny Nelson, as he seems the only one of Sky who can offer insight without sounding like a biased pompous buffoon, and he's generally the one to call fights right.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterWatt does get carried away at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
I couldn't believe it in the 4th round (i tink) Watt said something like - "Khans chin problem has been solved, he doesn't get hit on it anymore" ;D.. i'm sure I heard Ian Darke gulp.
Lucky Jim swerved the commentators curse this time.
I still remember Watt in the Mayweather fight, suggesting that the judges might have Hatton ahead at the time of the stoppage. Comedy gold in a fight that at best Hatton was winning 3 rounds of
Johnny's a good talker but i get the impression he doesn't watch much boxing away from his job. I'm sure he did a Casamayor fight recently and commented it was the first time he'd seen him ;D
That cut is horrendous, even deeper and longer than I thought it was with the blood wiped away.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Pussy.
It's long but no way to tell from the picture how deep it is...;) BTW, I didn't read in the RBR thread your post calling to stop the fight... Or did I miss it?? ... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by milesThat cut is horrendous, even deeper and longer than I thought it was with the blood wiped away.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
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Oh, come on now he has an Aladdin Sane lightning bolt down the side of his head! It's a monster cut to have, and even if we cannot specify it's depth we can see how long it is and remember how it was spurting and gushing. It's a horrible cut, I don't think it needs debating.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerIt's long but no way to tell from the picture how deep it is...;) BTW, I didn't read in the RBR thread your post calling to stop the fight... Or did I miss it?? ... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by milesThat cut is horrendous, even deeper and longer than I thought it was with the blood wiped away.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
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I don't recall posting at all on the RBR during the fight. I was too busy actually watching it. I posted prior to it starting and afterwards, not at all while the fight was actually happening though. Just because I did not jump into the RBR does not mean I didn't think it should have been stopped. Personally, I would have had it stopped in the second and definitely the doctor should have disallowed Marco to continue in the fourth.
It was a bad cut, a very bad cut that had no signs of being able to stop the blood between rounds and it was a no brainer that the fight had to be stopped.
But why the hell do these cutsmen insist on getting that face iron out to rub down any bumps when what is clearly needed for a cut that bad is 45odd seconds of constant pressure with a towel followed by 15 applying vaseline to aid the wound!
simple really
Many believed it's Marco's warrior attitude that prevented him from saying "I can't see anymore" or "I'm having headache"... Just last week, many also labeled Robert Guerrero a quitter for pulling out from his fight with Yordan in the 2nd round after he suffered a cut that resulted the fight as a no contest (NC)... Would you be upset if Barrera quit after the 1st round?? Would you call him a quitter??Quote:
Originally Posted by milesOh, come on now he has an Aladdin Sane lightning bolt down the side of his head! It's a monster cut to have, and even if we cannot specify it's depth we can see how long it is and remember how it was spurting and gushing. It's a horrible cut, I don't think it needs debating.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerIt's long but no way to tell from the picture how deep it is...;) BTW, I didn't read in the RBR thread your post calling to stop the fight... Or did I miss it?? ... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
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I don't recall posting at all on the RBR during the fight. I was too busy actually watching it. I posted prior to it starting and afterwards, not at all while the fight was actually happening though. Just because I did not jump into the RBR does not mean I didn't think it should have been stopped. Personally, I would have had it stopped in the second and definitely the doctor should have disallowed Marco to continue in the fourth.
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Cut or not, the fight was a NO CONTEST.
Seeing how bad MAB did against a complete NOBODY vs Freudis Rojas
Freudis Rojas
What did team Barrera expect?
I give them kudos for trying to fight on but Con was just too fast for the old warrior. MAB never belonged in the same weight class as Con. The fight proved nothing and Con needs to prove himself against Prescott again, we don't need to look any further than Prescott. I see Con getting knocked out again soon unless he continues to fight old guys who have been way past their prime or he continues to fight nobodys but they are trying to build a world champion so he is going to have to step it up in the next couple of years.
I would have been dissapointed for the fight to end like that, but that is the worst cut I have seen in recent memory. If Barrera immediately agreed to a rematch upon the fight being declared a NC then Barrera wouldn't be labelled a quitter. I recall the Guerrero cut being less serious than this was.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerMany believed it's Marco's warrior attitude that prevented him from saying "I can't see anymore" or "I'm having headache"... Just last week, many also labeled Robert Guerrero a quitter for pulling out from his fight with Yordan in the 2nd round after he suffered a cut that resulted the fight as a no contest (NC)... Would you be upset if Barrera quit after the 1st round?? Would you call him a quitter??Quote:
Originally Posted by milesOh, come on now he has an Aladdin Sane lightning bolt down the side of his head! It's a monster cut to have, and even if we cannot specify it's depth we can see how long it is and remember how it was spurting and gushing. It's a horrible cut, I don't think it needs debating.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
I don't recall posting at all on the RBR during the fight. I was too busy actually watching it. I posted prior to it starting and afterwards, not at all while the fight was actually happening though. Just because I did not jump into the RBR does not mean I didn't think it should have been stopped. Personally, I would have had it stopped in the second and definitely the doctor should have disallowed Marco to continue in the fourth.
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Barrera is too much of a warrior and his corner should have been forcing him to stop. Mistakes were made out there, and Khan now has the scalp of MAB on his record because of it.
There you go, Guerrero's cut is less serious but he quit...Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI would have been dissapointed for the fight to end like that, but that is the worst cut I have seen in recent memory. If Barrera immediately agreed to a rematch upon the fight being declared a NC then Barrera wouldn't be labelled a quitter. I recall the Guerrero cut being less serious than this was.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerMany believed it's Marco's warrior attitude that prevented him from saying "I can't see anymore" or "I'm having headache"... Just last week, many also labeled Robert Guerrero a quitter for pulling out from his fight with Yordan in the 2nd round after he suffered a cut that resulted the fight as a no contest (NC)... Would you be upset if Barrera quit after the 1st round?? Would you call him a quitter??Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
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Barrera is too much of a warrior and his corner should have been forcing him to stop. Mistakes were made out there, and Khan now has the scalp of MAB on his record because of it.
Barrera decided to fight on despite a very serious cut and lost by technical decision...
During the course of the fight, do you have any inkling that Barrera might land that one big punch that can turn the fight around??
It isn't up to himQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerThere you go, Guerrero's cut is less serious but he quit...Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI would have been dissapointed for the fight to end like that, but that is the worst cut I have seen in recent memory. If Barrera immediately agreed to a rematch upon the fight being declared a NC then Barrera wouldn't be labelled a quitter. I recall the Guerrero cut being less serious than this was.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Barrera is too much of a warrior and his corner should have been forcing him to stop. Mistakes were made out there, and Khan now has the scalp of MAB on his record because of it.
Barrera decided to fight on despite a very serious cut and lost by technical decision...
During the course of the fight, do you have any inkling that Barrera might land that one big punch that can turn the fight around??
Barrera should have quit, but I'm not the guy in Barrera's head controlling his thought mechanisms. He must have known he was down on the cards and his performance was seriously hindered by the injury. Really the 4th when he saw the doctor should have been the time to give it a rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerThere you go, Guerrero's cut is less serious but he quit...Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI would have been dissapointed for the fight to end like that, but that is the worst cut I have seen in recent memory. If Barrera immediately agreed to a rematch upon the fight being declared a NC then Barrera wouldn't be labelled a quitter. I recall the Guerrero cut being less serious than this was.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Barrera is too much of a warrior and his corner should have been forcing him to stop. Mistakes were made out there, and Khan now has the scalp of MAB on his record because of it.
Barrera decided to fight on despite a very serious cut and lost by technical decision...
During the course of the fight, do you have any inkling that Barrera might land that one big punch that can turn the fight around??
I think without the cut Barrera would have tested Khan a lot more and probably knocked him out. I always said Khan would start fast and that Barrera would take a few rounds to adjust to Khans speed. The cut made even doing that nigh on impossible.
Aside from the warrior attitude, what's your assessment why Barrera continued to fight on?? Isn't it Barrera thinking of winning the fight, right??Quote:
Originally Posted by milesBarrera should have quit, but I'm not the guy in Barrera's head controlling his thought mechanisms. He must have known he was down on the cards and his performance was seriously hindered by the injury. Really the 4th when he saw the doctor should have been the time to give it a rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerThere you go, Guerrero's cut is less serious but he quit...Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Barrera decided to fight on despite a very serious cut and lost by technical decision...
During the course of the fight, do you have any inkling that Barrera might land that one big punch that can turn the fight around??
I think without the cut Barrera would have tested Khan a lot more and probably knocked him out. I always said Khan would start fast and that Barrera would take a few rounds to adjust to Khans speed. The cut made even doing that nigh on impossible.
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Aside from the warrior attitude, what's your assessment why Barrera continued to fight on?? Isn't it Barrera thinking of winning the fight even with that serious cut, right??Quote:
Originally Posted by milesBarrera should have quit, but I'm not the guy in Barrera's head controlling his thought mechanisms. He must have known he was down on the cards and his performance was seriously hindered by the injury. Really the 4th when he saw the doctor should have been the time to give it a rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerThere you go, Guerrero's cut is less serious but he quit...Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Barrera decided to fight on despite a very serious cut and lost by technical decision...
During the course of the fight, do you have any inkling that Barrera might land that one big punch that can turn the fight around??
I think without the cut Barrera would have tested Khan a lot more and probably knocked him out. I always said Khan would start fast and that Barrera would take a few rounds to adjust to Khans speed. The cut made even doing that nigh on impossible.
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I don't know. I would love to find out what the doctor said to Barrera and what Barrera said back to him. There was no need to carry on with such a disadvantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerAside from the warrior attitude, what's your assessment why Barrera continued to fight on?? Isn't it Barrera thinking of winning the fight, right??Quote:
Originally Posted by milesBarrera should have quit, but I'm not the guy in Barrera's head controlling his thought mechanisms. He must have known he was down on the cards and his performance was seriously hindered by the injury. Really the 4th when he saw the doctor should have been the time to give it a rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
I think without the cut Barrera would have tested Khan a lot more and probably knocked him out. I always said Khan would start fast and that Barrera would take a few rounds to adjust to Khans speed. The cut made even doing that nigh on impossible.
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they all think they can win. I'm sure Nicky Cook after getting knocked down twice and getting up on shaky legs thought he could win. Thats why the corner is there, the ref is there and the doctor is there.
IMO, Barrera decided to fight on thinking of winning the fight by shatering Amir's glass jaw... What's the purpose of continuing to fight is definitely to eventually win the fight... I still have to met a boxer who decided to fight on just to achieve a draw or worst, to get a loss...Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI don't know. I would love to find out what the doctor said to Barrera and what Barrera said back to him. There was no need to carry on with such a disadvantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerAside from the warrior attitude, what's your assessment why Barrera continued to fight on?? Isn't it Barrera thinking of winning the fight, right??Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by J_C
It was a no contest from the first bell.
yes. if it wasn't for the cut Barrera would have killed Amir somewhere round the 9/10th round.
Here's an article where MAB's cutman talks about the cut. I guess it was 3 inches long, and he ended up getting 30 stitches.
Michael Marley'�s Boxing Confidential� News, Analysis, and Commentary
That was a NASTY cut indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diane
If I am not mistaken, the score cards come into effect after the 4th round. It looked like Barrera was given the opportunity, and was probably advised at the time. So the loss is all on Barrera and his team.
obviously every fighter thinks they can win the fight, no one is gonna go on with an attitude of "shit, i'm done and have nothing left, but let me continue to take damage" :rolleyes: that'd be an idiot bud, stop trying to instigate, Arce aside from maybe one round was getting hammered and mauled against Darchinyan yet continued on until they finally stepped in and decided he couldn't continueQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerIMO, Barrera decided to fight on thinking of winning the fight by shatering Amir's glass jaw... What's the purpose of continuing to fight is definitely to eventually win the fight... I still have to met a boxer who decided to fight on just to achieve a draw or worst, to get a loss...Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI don't know. I would love to find out what the doctor said to Barrera and what Barrera said back to him. There was no need to carry on with such a disadvantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
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It is also the job of the ref, and the ringside doctor, to look out for the best interest of a fighter. When a man has a 3 inch gash on his head, that is spewing blood uncontrollably, then the doctor should be stopping the fight even if the fighter thinks he can continue. What doctor would allow a person that gets a 3 inch cut on his head in the 1st round, to continue fighting, and risking the cut to be ripped open even more? That was an incompetent doctor if you ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
I think it is 100% safe to blame MAB entirely on the cut. That cut was horrible, MAB would have beaten Khan if it weren't for the headbutt.
I didn't really give it that much thought........... I'm convinced... yep... your right! so then why didn't they stop it sooner? I'd still give 40% of the blame to MAB. How do I change my vote? :dontknow:Quote:
Originally Posted by DianeIt is also the job of the ref, and the ringside doctor, to look out for the best interest of a fighter. When a man has a 3 inch gash on his head, that is spewing blood uncontrollably, then the doctor should be stopping the fight even if the fighter thinks he can continue. What doctor would allow a person that gets a 3 inch cut on his head in the 1st round, to continue fighting, and risking the cut to be ripped open even more? That was an incompetent doctor if you ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
It's a disgrace. And I'm still livid about it all. :mad::mad::mad::mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by DianeIt is also the job of the ref, and the ringside doctor, to look out for the best interest of a fighter. When a man has a 3 inch gash on his head, that is spewing blood uncontrollably, then the doctor should be stopping the fight even if the fighter thinks he can continue. What doctor would allow a person that gets a 3 inch cut on his head in the 1st round, to continue fighting, and risking the cut to be ripped open even more? That was an incompetent doctor if you ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
They could see the bloody skull?? How was this fight not stopped? This is borderline criminal that Barrera was allowed to continue!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
They decided to continue fighting coz they're still hoping to land that punch that can turn the fight around... Warrior attitude is also one reason... They're hesitant to call it quits... They want a 3rd party (doctor, referee) to do it for them to save them the criticism of being labeled as a quitter...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesobviously every fighter thinks they can win the fight, no one is gonna go on with an attitude of "shit, i'm done and have nothing left, but let me continue to take damage" :rolleyes: that'd be an idiot bud, stop trying to instigate, Arce aside from maybe one round was getting hammered and mauled against Darchinyan yet continued on until they finally stepped in and decided he couldn't continueQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerIMO, Barrera decided to fight on thinking of winning the fight by shatering Amir's glass jaw... What's the purpose of continuing to fight is definitely to eventually win the fight... I still have to met a boxer who decided to fight on just to achieve a draw or worst, to get a loss...Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
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You can't really please everybody...
Boxer quits and he's criticized being a quitter...
Boxer fights on and he's criticized for being too brave for his own good...
Referee/Doctor stops the fight and criticized doing it too early...
Referee/Doctor didn't stop the fight and criticized being incompetent...
Only a few had called it correctly on the right time... Well, this is boxing... and surely you'll still encounter more of these situations in the future...
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I hope I never see a fighter with an injury like that allowed to go on EVER again. It doesn't matter who they are, and it's not about quitting or showing heart, it's about doing the right thing and looking after the safety of the fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
I agree, it should have been a no contest had Barrera decided to quit. However, Barrera did not quit because he wanted to take the risk. Probably thinking that he could TKO khan. Khan did not give him the chance to do that so I give credits to Khan.
Had Barrera incidentally TKoed Khan with a lucky shot, the story would have been different. People would praise him for it and he will be back in the game again. Unfortunately for him, the tide did not go with him. Barrera took the risk and must suffer for it. Credit should be given to Khan.
It's not about quitting it's about looking after the health interests of the fighter. Barrera never quit, he doesn't have that in him, but it should have been stopped by those officiating and his corner should have pulled him out. There was no way the blood could be stopped and his performance suffered immensely because of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
You are just trying to twist things, using words like quit.
How can Khan be given credit for that victory? I give him credit for winning rounds against a fighter cut as badly as can possibly be. But Khan hasn't proven anything with that empty win. Of course, Barrera would have been given credit if he managed to stop Khan after that butt, it would have shown a win in the face of terrible adversity. Khan wins by technicality only and even then it should have been a void fight.
Barrera took the risk and must suffer for it? What kind of talk is that? We have no idea what was said by the doctor in round 4. For all we know the doctor might have said Barrera would lose by tko if he couldn't continue, we don't know the full situation. At the end of the day that fight was not managed professionally and what should have been a fun fight got tarnished, I'm ashamed by how the fight was managed.
Your right! Would they have let him fight on if he was clearly in trouble and taking too much punishment? No chance! Warriors like Barrera will fight to the end regardless, that is why doctors have the power to stop a fight when injuries like this occur. The cut was horrible from the start, the ref took MAB to the doctor for a look and he let the fight go on. The gash needed 33 stitches to close, what doctor would ever say "that's ok he can fight on"Quote:
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Originally Posted by fan johnny
It is also the job of the ref, and the ringside doctor, to look out for the best interest of a fighter. When a man has a 3 inch gash on his head, that is spewing blood uncontrollably, then the doctor should be stopping the fight even if the fighter thinks he can continue. What doctor would allow a person that gets a 3 inch cut on his head in the 1st round, to continue fighting, and risking the cut to be ripped open even more? That was an incompetent doctor if you ask me.
Do you think ANY fighter should have to fight on with a cut so severe? The ringside doctors have a duty (as does the ref) in protecting a fighter regardless of what he OR his corner want. FACTQuote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
It's a farce. Barrera was okay to continue in the 4th according to the doctor and yet by the end of the 5th it was suddenly too bad?? It was exactly the same as in the 1st round!!! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by KelYour right! Would they have let him fight on if he was clearly in trouble and taking too much punishment? No chance! Warriors like Barrera will fight to the end regardless, that is why doctors have the power to stop a fight when injuries like this occur. The cut was horrible from the start, the ref took MAB to the doctor for a look and he let the fight go on. The gash needed 33 stitches to close, what doctor would ever say "that's ok he can fight on"Quote:
Originally Posted by DianeQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
It is also the job of the ref, and the ringside doctor, to look out for the best interest of a fighter. When a man has a 3 inch gash on his head, that is spewing blood uncontrollably, then the doctor should be stopping the fight even if the fighter thinks he can continue. What doctor would allow a person that gets a 3 inch cut on his head in the 1st round, to continue fighting, and risking the cut to be ripped open even more? That was an incompetent doctor if you ask me.
Jury still out on Hhan!
Fast hands,hard punches,very strong at 135,needs more big fights.
This is getting funny...
- Barrera himself decided to continue fighting
- The referee/doctor decided to let the fight continue up to the 5th
- But some people (probably MAB fans) screaming for the fight to be stopped after round 1 in order to have a no contest... ;D
Why did the officials in Abraham-Miranda fight let Abraham continue despite a broken jaw?? Why did the officials in Katsidis-Amonsot fight let Katsidis continue despite multiple cuts (i think 5) in his face?? Is it because Abraham/Katsidis were still competitive and winning their respective fights?
There's really no solid basis on when to stop the fight...
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Why did the referee/doctor let the fight continue? so Khan can win. you'd have to be blind to not see that that cut was bad they let him finish, wait about half a round and pulled the plug in order for Khan to get the win.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer