Marquez shouldn't fight at 147 he would get killed, Mayweather lik always cryin wanting his advantages.
Erik Morales should take tune up fights lik Barrera or more.
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Marquez shouldn't fight at 147 he would get killed, Mayweather lik always cryin wanting his advantages.
Erik Morales should take tune up fights lik Barrera or more.
The issue is Marquez wants the advantage of Mayweather having to come down in weight. Mayweather doesn't want to give Marquez that advantage. Now who is calling out who? And who is in the drivers seat.
This is obvious: 5 lbs for Marquez going up is not a big deal. Mayweather coming down 10 lbs is a very big deal. Marquez has more advantage because Mayweather has to de-hydrate to make weight.
The ball is in Marquez court. If he wants to make the fight happen then he has to make the move. Mayweather may be an a*shole but he's not stupid. I think the best Marquez can hope for is a catch weight of 144 lbs. If Mayweather fails to meet him, then he is really playing hard ball on negeotions and possibly just doesn't want to make the fight happen. If Marquez doesn't go to the table with the offer then he most likely doesn't want to make the fight happen.
I think you see the same negotations tactics in Pacquiao's camp. A catch weight of 145lbs to make a Mayweather/Pacquiao fight.
If Marquez's team were smart they'd use the weight as a wedge to pry more money out of Mayweather. Roach used it against De la Hoya and look what happened to the guy.
he never avoided Cotto in the first placeQuote:
Originally Posted by Killa From Manila
Was there anyone talking trash about Oscar De La Hoya fighting Floyd at 154 on Oscar's terms? Everything Oscar wanted he got in that fight, except the win :)Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
if Floyd can move up to 154 in oscar's place, with Oscars promotion with Oscars gloves at Oscar's weight class and everything in his favor then why can't Marquez do it for Floyd? Now that Floyd is in the drivers seat where he can make such demands people want to hate on him while boxers have been doing that for years and don't get as much flack. Its just blind Floyd hatred
Mayweather oppsessed over the De La Hoya fight. He wanted it badly. Marquez wants to fight Mayweather. But he ain't desperate for it. He ain't going to sell his soul and put himself at a huge disadvantage for money. Marquez don't roll that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyWas there anyone talking trash about Oscar De La Hoya fighting Floyd at 154 on Oscar's terms? Everything Oscar wanted he got in that fight, except the win :)Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
if Floyd can move up to 154 in oscar's place, with Oscars promotion with Oscars gloves at Oscar's weight class and everything in his favor then why can't Marquez do it for Floyd? Now that Floyd is in the drivers seat where he can make such demands people want to hate on him while boxers have been doing that for years and don't get as much flack. Its just blind Floyd hatred
If your able to read between the lines it's pretty obvious what Marquez is doing. Marquez is pretty much trying to see if Floyd is a biitch or not. Marquez is pretty much asking Floyd "You won't fight unless your the bigger man and have every advantage, huh"? I'm very intrested in Mayweather's response.
I don't know how it would prove is Floyd is a bitch. Unless you think Marquez has a better chance beating Mayweather at 140 where he's quicker slicker and faster :dontknow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseMayweather oppsessed over the De La Hoya fight. He wanted it badly. Marquez wants to fight Mayweather. But he ain't desperate for it. He ain't going to sell his soul and put himself at a huge disadvantage for money. Marquez don't roll that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyWas there anyone talking trash about Oscar De La Hoya fighting Floyd at 154 on Oscar's terms? Everything Oscar wanted he got in that fight, except the win :)Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
if Floyd can move up to 154 in oscar's place, with Oscars promotion with Oscars gloves at Oscar's weight class and everything in his favor then why can't Marquez do it for Floyd? Now that Floyd is in the drivers seat where he can make such demands people want to hate on him while boxers have been doing that for years and don't get as much flack. Its just blind Floyd hatred
If your able to read between the lines it's pretty obvious what Marquez is doing. Marquez is pretty much trying to see if Floyd is a biitch or not. Marquez is pretty much asking Floyd "You won't fight unless your the bigger man and have every advantage, huh"? I'm very intrested in Mayweather's response.
What a load of crap!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseMayweather oppsessed over the De La Hoya fight. He wanted it badly. Marquez wants to fight Mayweather. But he ain't desperate for it. He ain't going to sell his soul and put himself at a huge disadvantage for money. Marquez don't roll that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyWas there anyone talking trash about Oscar De La Hoya fighting Floyd at 154 on Oscar's terms? Everything Oscar wanted he got in that fight, except the win :)Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
if Floyd can move up to 154 in oscar's place, with Oscars promotion with Oscars gloves at Oscar's weight class and everything in his favor then why can't Marquez do it for Floyd? Now that Floyd is in the drivers seat where he can make such demands people want to hate on him while boxers have been doing that for years and don't get as much flack. Its just blind Floyd hatred
If your able to read between the lines it's pretty obvious what Marquez is doing. Marquez is pretty much trying to see if Floyd is a biitch or not. Marquez is pretty much asking Floyd "You won't fight unless your the bigger man and have every advantage, huh"? I'm very intrested in Mayweather's response.
Marquez wants money same as Mayweather. There ain't no evil in making money over fighting at a higher weight! Negotiations are part of the game. Marquez ain't in control of making the bout happen, Mayweather is because he can pretty much dictate when where and how much. Besides that if Mayweather is looking at Marqeuz as a tuneup why the hell should he kill himself to make weight?
Mayweather can't dictate shit. If Marquez doesn't feel he'd be competitive at 140 or higher, the fight won't happen. Kudos to him for knowing boxing's limits and not turning this into a circus. And don't forget, Floyd's been away from boxing for awhile. So he's not in a position to be making outlandish demands.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyWhat a load of crap!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseMayweather oppsessed over the De La Hoya fight. He wanted it badly. Marquez wants to fight Mayweather. But he ain't desperate for it. He ain't going to sell his soul and put himself at a huge disadvantage for money. Marquez don't roll that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
If your able to read between the lines it's pretty obvious what Marquez is doing. Marquez is pretty much trying to see if Floyd is a biitch or not. Marquez is pretty much asking Floyd "You won't fight unless your the bigger man and have every advantage, huh"? I'm very intrested in Mayweather's response.
Marquez wants money same as Mayweather. There ain't no evil in making money over fighting at a higher weight! Negotiations are part of the game. Marquez ain't in control of making the bout happen, Mayweather is because he can pretty much dictate when where and how much. Besides that if Mayweather is looking at Marqeuz as a tuneup why the hell should he kill himself to make weight?
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Originally Posted by fan johnny
I totally agree with you...
If PBF moved up to 154 to fight Hoya, Hatton moved up to 147 to fight PBF, PAC moved up to 147 to fight Hoya then JMM at least should offer to move up to 144 (catchweight) to fight PBF... JMM called out PBF, he should do something to legitimize his challenge since Floyd won't go down to 135 or 140 for this tune-up fight with JMM...
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Outstanding post. Marquez doesn't go out like a biitch. If he don't like the way things are than he'll walk away. That simple. Yeah I'm sure the money that comes from fighting Mayweather would be great. But some how i doubt Marquez is struggling to eatQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanMayweather can't dictate shit. If Marquez doesn't feel he'd be competitive at 140 or higher, the fight won't happen. Kudos to him for knowing boxing's limits and not turning this into a circus. And don't forget, Floyd's been away from boxing for awhile. So he's not in a position to be making outlandish demands.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyWhat a load of crap!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Marquez wants money same as Mayweather. There ain't no evil in making money over fighting at a higher weight! Negotiations are part of the game. Marquez ain't in control of making the bout happen, Mayweather is because he can pretty much dictate when where and how much. Besides that if Mayweather is looking at Marqeuz as a tuneup why the hell should he kill himself to make weight?
I hope JMM walking away from a big money PBF fight is not following the bad move committed by Team JMM before... walking away from a big money PAC rematch fight and accepted a $30k purse to fight in Indonesia only to lose to Chris John...
Team JMM needs to evaluate the situation carefully...
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Just shows money doesn't run Marquez like it does other fighters. Marquez was promised 1.5 million for the Pacquaio rematch. When they tried to come at him with $750,000 Marquez wasn't going to biitch up and give in. He walked away. Yeah what happened afterwards was unfortunate. But no fighter can predict they will be robbed in a fightQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Team JMM should evaluate what weigh more, losing to PBF (and earn big money) or losing to Erik Morales/Edwin Valero (earning moderate money)...Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseJust shows money doesn't run Marquez like it does other fighters. Marquez was promised 1.5 million for the Pacquaio rematch. When they tried to come at him with $750,000 Marquez wasn't going to biitch up and give in. He walked away. Yeah what happened afterwards was unfortunate. But no fighter can predict they will be robbed in a fightQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
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Marquez is going to do what the fukk he wants to do. Marquez is not one of those fighters who will take a fight he knows he can't win just cuz he's getting "big money".Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerTeam JMM should evaluate what weigh more, losing to PBF (and earn big money) or losing to Erik Morales/Edwin Valero (earning moderate money)...Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseJust shows money doesn't run Marquez like it does other fighters. Marquez was promised 1.5 million for the Pacquaio rematch. When they tried to come at him with $750,000 Marquez wasn't going to biitch up and give in. He walked away. Yeah what happened afterwards was unfortunate. But no fighter can predict they will be robbed in a fightQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
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Then why JMM made the mistake of calling out PBF?? Only very few will give JMM a tiny chance against PBF...Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseMarquez is going to do what the fukk he wants to do. Marquez is not one of those fighters who will take a fight he knows he can't win just cuz he's getting "big money".Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerTeam JMM should evaluate what weigh more, losing to PBF (and earn big money) or losing to Erik Morales/Edwin Valero (earning moderate money)...Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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VD is right, there is no point in Marquez fighting at 147. It's just not feasible and Marquez would be better off walking away. It's a nice pay day, but Marquez can make decent paydays elsewhere, he is a top draw fighter these days.
I would rather Marquez test the waters at 140 against a decent name and then have a final fight against Pac. Then his career is pretty much done. No need to fight Mayweather.
Hopefully Hatton beats up Pac and then Pac has nowhere to go but to Marquez again.
Sure Mayweather has been away from the sport, but how come the biggest news in boxing is if he is coming back? Mayweather is the biggest fish in the pond he can dictate whatever he wants because he will be the one that makes Marquez more money than anyone else, not vice virsa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseOutstanding post. Marquez doesn't go out like a biitch. If he don't like the way things are than he'll walk away. That simple. Yeah I'm sure the money that comes from fighting Mayweather would be great. But some how i doubt Marquez is struggling to eatQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanMayweather can't dictate shit. If Marquez doesn't feel he'd be competitive at 140 or higher, the fight won't happen. Kudos to him for knowing boxing's limits and not turning this into a circus. And don't forget, Floyd's been away from boxing for awhile. So he's not in a position to be making outlandish demands.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
I can totally understand Marquez not selling out to fight a fighter he can't beat, but to complain about the weight is bullshit. Once again, Mayweather isn't a physical fighter, nor is he a huge puncher.
Yeah he chased the cash and it went againsed him. He was beat before the fight started anyway, Floyd got into his head and fukked it. Hatton looked so fired up at the weigh in but the next day when that bell rang that fire was doused and smouldering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThat's cuz all Hatton cared about was the money. He sold his soul to fight Mayweather. Anything Mayweather wanted he got. All Hatton cared about was the moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Why not compromise then like DLH? If Mayweather really wants the fight then he can go to 140 and Marquez can move up to 140. Fairs is fair. After all Mayweather isn't a physical fighter and it has been argued that he is not a natural WW. Marquez was at 130 a year ago and now he's expected to forfeit all weight competitiveness to fight Mayweather?Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethSure Mayweather has been away from the sport, but how come the biggest news in boxing is if he is coming back? Mayweather is the biggest fish in the pond he can dictate whatever he wants because he will be the one that makes Marquez more money than anyone else, not vice virsa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseOutstanding post. Marquez doesn't go out like a biitch. If he don't like the way things are than he'll walk away. That simple. Yeah I'm sure the money that comes from fighting Mayweather would be great. But some how i doubt Marquez is struggling to eatQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I can totally understand Marquez not selling out to fight a fighter he can't beat, but to complain about the weight is bullshit. Once again, Mayweather isn't a physical fighter, nor is he a huge puncher.
Better to walk away and blame it on weight disagreements because that is exactly what it is!
What if Pacman wins though and moves up to Welterwieght to face Floyd, Cotto, etc? Then Marquez will be forced up to 147 anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I don't think PAC has nowhere to go but JMM... There's so many boxers out there calling out PAC... Even if he loses to Hatton, PAC still a very attractive opponent not only for JMM... JMM has to outbid the others...Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
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I kind of agree, but Marquez mega spectator draw? no way! not without the big name of Mayweather, Hatton or Pacquiao... no other matches comes close to mega draw for Marquez. His options for really big money fights are limited. He has positioning right now which is the only reason he is waiting for the outcome of Pacquiao/Hatton. The same is true for Mosley. That's exactly why they are calling it the "Lotto". His next fight is seven figures easy if he faces one of the three. Can you even find a figure on how much he made on Diaz/Marquez. The viewing was up GBP but how much did Marquez earn?Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
If Pac wins then he will have the greater options for sure. I don't think Marquez going up to 147 and losing to Floyd is his best means of gaining a rematch against Manny though.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethWhat if Pacman wins though and moves up to Welterwieght to face Floyd, Cotto, etc? Then Marquez will be forced up to 147 anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Hatton beating Manny is what I want, and then Marquez can have his next turn. The bigger the beating for Manny the better. Hatton will most likely want Marquez next which will scupper my vision somewhat. Unless, a Mayweather fight turns up for Ricky to take him off the scent. Who knows.
He isn't on the level of the names you listed in terms of marketability but he is a decent draw, and has been in a number of really decent fights in recent years. He isn't earning peanuts, but he's not raking in the crazy money either.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyI kind of agree, but Marquez mega spectator draw? no way! not without the big name of Mayweather, Hatton or Pacquiao... no other matches comes close to mega draw for Marquez. His options for really big money fights are limited. He has positioning right now which is the only reason he is waiting for the outcome of Pacquiao/Hatton. The same is true for Mosley. That's exactly why they are calling it the "Lotto". His next fight is seven figures easy if he faces one of the three. Can you even find a figure on how much he made on Diaz/Marquez. The viewing was up GBP but how much did Marquez earn?Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Interesting read I found...
Houston Boxing Examiner: Early mega-fight preview: Floyd Mayweather, Jr. vs. Juan Manuel Marquez
In 2007, former number one pound-for-pound fighter Floyd Mayweather, Jr. (39-0) emerged victorious in two tough contests against Oscar de la Hoya (in May of that year) and Ricky Hatton (in December). In 2008, current number one pound-for-pound fighter Manny Pacquiao (48-3-2) easily dismantled de la Hoya (this past December) and is looking to do the same to Ricky Hatton on May 2nd. Two common opponents. Like "training sessions" with flight instructors "Viper" and "Jester" on their way to the real test - the fight of the decade - against each other. Undoubtedly, "Pretty Boy" vs. "Pacman" is the biggest possible fight in boxing (see Marketing boxing’s climax: Pacquiao vs. Mayweather I) which may easily generate $20 million for each fighter.
It is no secret that WBA, WBO, IBO, and Ring lightweight champ - and current number two pound-for-pound fighter - Juan Manuel Marquez (50-4-1) has been on Pacquiao's tail - flying around his "jetwash" (rapidly moving gases expelled from a jet engine considered extremely turbulent but of short duration). As Manny looks to defeat Mayweather's last opponent Ricky Hatton, Mayweather may get the opportunity to get rid of Marquez - and "blast" Dinamita away from Pacquiao's tail.
Because if Marquez loses against Floyd Mayweather, Jr., Pretty Boy vs. Pacman will become that much more compelling of a fight over a contemplated Pacquiao vs. Marquez III. That is the essential risk that Marquez is taking. A Floyd victory over Marquez clears the way for an obstacle-free collision between former and current # 1.
Unretirement and Seeking a "Tune-Up" Bout
When I attended the February 28 post-fight media conference of Juan Manuel Marquez - Juan Diaz in Houston, Texas, Oscar de la Hoya - assuming his role as president of Golden Boy Promotions, and agent of Marquez - when asked by a reporter, said that he knew of "certain information" that lead him to believe that Floyd Mayweather, Jr. would soon return to the boxing ring. Around the first week of March, reports began to surface that Juan Manuel Marquez would indeed square off with Mayweather, Jr. - according to Marquez's trainer Nacho Beristain in Esto.com.mx. A mega-fight that would tentatively be schedule for September 12, 2009.
Talks in Impasse
The talks between Floyd's camp and Golden Boy Promotions / Marquez's camp have apparently and recently bogged down, if not, downright appear over. (See Esto.com article link - and hopefully you're in the mood to brush up on your Spanish.) Floyd Mayweather, Jr. insists on fighting at the 147 lbs. welterweight limit, while the 135 lbs. champ Marquez is currently holding his ground to hold the bout at the 140 lbs. junior welterweight limit.
147 lb. vs. 140 lb.
What If?
- At 147 lbs., I would have to consider Mayweather (at least) a very strong 4-1 favorite over Marquez, who has never fought above the 135 lb. lightweight limit. Marquez may be a higher volume puncher than the lower quantity, but more effective, puncher Mayweather, however, the shots that do land on a bloated Marquez would probably have a much more significant effect.
- At 140 lbs., however, Mayweather vs. Marquez would indeed be a bona fide mega-fight. At this weight, we would have to consider Marquez as having a "solid chance" at defeating Mayweather, who would have to drain his body below an otherwise more normal weight of 147 - 154 lbs. Secondly, if the fight takes place in September, Floyd will have been away from boxing for close to two years. Floyd's ring rust would translate to an advantage for the presumably sharper Marquez.
The interesting question is, "What if Marquez does beat Mayweather at 140 lbs.? Does he then become the current # 1 pound-for-pound fighter in the sport?" In that case, it would be reasonable to foresee many, if not most, boxing observers to consider him as number one, relegating Manny Pacquiao to (perhaps temporary) number two status, despite holding a decision win over "Dinamita." Such a scenario would become a rare anomaly in boxing. Sports fans may hold a parallelism with college football's Texas Longhorns being left out of the bowl champsionship series (BCS), while the Oklahoma Sooners (a team the Longhorns beat during the regular season) went on to the championship game to face the Florida Gators.
Secondly, if Marquez beats Mayweather (say, at 140 lbs.), Pacquiao vs. Marquez III may become the genuine fight of the decade after all - with some boxing followers currently not even realizing it.
Additionally, if Marquez defeats Mayweather (again, let's say at 140 lbs.), might that victory possibly eliminate a Pacquiao vs. Mayweather fight?
As mentioned previously, talks between Marquez's and Mayweather's camps appear "over."
It has taken "Dinamita" several years to emerge from the shadows of Mexican greats Marco Antonio Barrera (65-7) and Erik Morales (48-6) - fighters that Manny Pacquiao has defeated. Marquez won a tough decision win over Barrera in 2007, and it appears "El Terrible" Morales may be the opponent Marquez faces in September, as Morales - who is only 32 years old - has repeatedly stated his intentions of returning to the ring.
As Pacquiao attempts to dispose of Floyd's previous foes (de la Hoya, and now Ricky Hatton), such a bout would have Marquez attempting to dispose of Manny's old foes.
Small world.
A Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales fight seems a sellable bout. To be sure, Morales has been out of the ring since a decision loss to former Pacquiao opponent David Diaz in 2007.
In a previous article (Boxing's elite trifecta: Marquez vs. Pacquio vs. Mayweather), I pegged Morales as Juan Manuel Marquez's fifth most attractive matchup.
I seem to reacall Marquez stating he'd go up to 147 to meet Pacquiao.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killa From Manila
Esto.com article link (Translated to English using Google)
The manager Nacho Beristain came to the passage of information from Venezuela indicate that Edwin Valero will be the next opponent Juan Manuel Marquez, the world lightweight king AMB-OMB.
The manager said that Juan Manuel will return in September in Las Vegas, Nevada, and that his most likely rival Erik "Terrible" Morales. The manager said that Juan Manuel will return in September in Las Vegas, Nevada, and that his most likely rival Erik "Terrible" Morales.
Beristain said that Marquez is not interested in a duel against Valero, world champion lightweight CMB, because the view of his company Golden Boy are others. Beristain said that Marquez is not interested in a duel against Valero, world champion lightweight CMB, because the view of his company Golden Boy are others.
Juan Manuel, he added, is set to face Floyd Mayweather, considered the best fighter in the world. Juan Manuel, he added, is set to face Floyd Mayweather, considered the best fighter in the world. However, negotiations to conclude this meeting have been stalled because Marquez Mayweather asked to raise a weight Welter, something impossible for him. However, negotiations to conclude this meeting have been stalled because Marquez Mayweather asked to raise a weight Welter, something impossible for him. Juan Manuel would raise at most Welter junior, 140 pounds, but did not reach 147 and there have been jammed negotiations. Juan Manuel would raise at most Welter junior, 140 pounds, but did not reach 147 and there have been jammed negotiations.
Accordingly, the promoter Oscar de la Hoya has another option for the City fighter combat against "the Terrible" Morales, one of the greatest Tellers of boxing today. (Castellanos)
Heyyyyyy!! That's a lie!! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Had to rep you for this, because (and no offense to British fans, I know they love their boxing) I have NEVER heard a British fan admit this before.
FFS, when are people going to stop making excuses for Ricky Hatton when HE HIMSELF squashed any excuses before the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
''Standing next to him, he's not bigger than Ricky and if you're not bigger than Ricky, you're in trouble'' -- Billy Graham
"I hope he hits harder than he does those pads, when did Floyd last knock someone out?" -- Ricky Hatton
"In my last fight at welterweight, I came in as Ricky Fatton and did it all wrong. This time, I'll have it just right." -- Ricky Hatton
The people still making excuses for Ricky 2 years on are deluded beyond belief...
Respect to Marquez if that's the case, I wouldn't want him to move up to 147 where he wouldn't be competitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseOutstanding post. Marquez doesn't go out like a biitch. If he don't like the way things are than he'll walk away. That simple. Yeah I'm sure the money that comes from fighting Mayweather would be great. But some how i doubt Marquez is struggling to eatQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanMayweather can't dictate shit. If Marquez doesn't feel he'd be competitive at 140 or higher, the fight won't happen. Kudos to him for knowing boxing's limits and not turning this into a circus. And don't forget, Floyd's been away from boxing for awhile. So he's not in a position to be making outlandish demands.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Even though this fight would be great, I'm not particularly in favour because Marquez has to be my favourite active fighter right now.
I'd much rather Mayweather came back and made Margarito/Cotto/Pacquaio his bitch.
Then do you think Marquez would have a bigger chance against Mayweather at 140?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseJust shows money doesn't run Marquez like it does other fighters. Marquez was promised 1.5 million for the Pacquaio rematch. When they tried to come at him with $750,000 Marquez wasn't going to biitch up and give in. He walked away. Yeah what happened afterwards was unfortunate. But no fighter can predict they will be robbed in a fightQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
I'd say...
JMM 70/30 PBF @ 135 (no way it will happen there)
JMM 50/50 PBF @ 140
JMM 40/60 PBF @ 143-145 (catchweight)
JMM 20/80 PBF @ 147
JMM 10/90 PBF @ 154 (it aint gonna happen there too, especially)
IMO:Quote:
Originally Posted by Killa From Manila
Both fighters have the frame to meet at any of these weightclasses in fighting condition. Typically it's harder for the fighter coming down in weight to maintain stamina for the fight and it's harder for the fighter going up to carry the weight. Mayweather's style kills Marquez in any class.
JMM 45/55 PBF @ 135
JMM 40/60 PBF @ 140
JMM 35/65 PBF @ 143-145 (Match/Weightclass)
JMM 30/70 PBF @ 147
Why do some boxing fans care so much about "how much so-and-so gets to face joe blow at this weight"..... "how much he gets for facing joe blow at that weight"..... blah, blah, blah. I'm not nearly as interested about the finances of boxing as I am in the boxing itself. Marquez is willing to give up a few million $$$ by not facing PBF at a weight he KNOWS he can't carry?!? Good for him!! That's his God-given right, for crying out loud. VD said it pretty well. Marquez is not selling out to get the cheap payday, when he knows 147 is way above his ideal fighting weight. What the hell is this fascination with jumping all over the weight divisions, anyway? In the old days, you moved up one, maybe two divisions. Hell, I'd rather move up one division, and dominate in both of them, than jump through 5 or 6 divisions just to say I've done it, pick up a few more million, and get my ass drubbed all over the ring. Besides, when you've won 40-50 million over a career... what's 5 or 10 more?
Just my two cents worth.
If PBF wants to fight at 147lb then why the Fuck isn't he calling out Cotto or Mosley? Marquez would be crazy to fight him at 147lb.
MAYWEATHER VS. MARQUEZ NEARLY SET FOR JULY 18?
Sources close to the situation have just informed us that it's looking more and more like retired pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather Jr. will make his return this summer against WBA & WBO lightweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez. Mayweather was originally rumored to make his return on July 11, the same date as UFC 100, against an opponent yet to be named. Apparently, after much debate over the weight at which the fight would take place, both Mayweather and Marquez are now close to agreeing to face each other on July 18.
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Not a big one. No. But he has a chance. At 147 he has none. Marquez shouldn't have to put on 12 pounds just to make Mayweather happy. They should fight at a catch weight of 141. Marquez can put on 6 pounds. Mayweather can drop 6 pounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyThen do you think Marquez would have a bigger chance against Mayweather at 140?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseJust shows money doesn't run Marquez like it does other fighters. Marquez was promised 1.5 million for the Pacquaio rematch. When they tried to come at him with $750,000 Marquez wasn't going to biitch up and give in. He walked away. Yeah what happened afterwards was unfortunate. But no fighter can predict they will be robbed in a fightQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
I hope Marquez is beign smart about the weight agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killa From Manila
JMM went to Indonesia (Chris John's hometown) to fight a champion (Chris John) for $30k, what do you expect him to do? Team JMM knows well that he needs to dominate John for a convincing victory or knock out the sh!t out of John... But JMM was not able to do that (I dunno why ;) )... The fight was close and John retained the champion's belt... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseJust shows money doesn't run Marquez like it does other fighters. Marquez was promised 1.5 million for the Pacquaio rematch. When they tried to come at him with $750,000 Marquez wasn't going to biitch up and give in. He walked away. Yeah what happened afterwards was unfortunate. But no fighter can predict they will be robbed in a fightQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
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As I recall he already opened his mouth calling out Pacquiao on weight. I would think that Mayweather Jr has Marquez on this one and they'll be meeting at a catch weight. but I also don't think they have agreed on that yet. Keep in mind that this is a leaked story and nothing is offical. When they work out the details of the fight we'll hear weight, money (possibly) and the venue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" MedinaI hope Marquez is beign smart about the weight agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killa From Manila
The question is will Marquez be holding on to any of his belts because sactioning bodies will be asking for money from Marquez for a non-weightclass and a non-title fight. If Marquez loses this one, and bets are he will lose easily, after vacating belts his value goes down.
That depends. If he is able to succeed against Floyd then chances are he'll go back down at 140 and compete with Pacquiao other big names there. If he losses, then he'll go back to 135 and hold his belts.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyAs I recall he already opened his mouth calling out Pacquiao on weight. I would think that Mayweather Jr has Marquez on this one and they'll be meeting at a catch weight. but I also don't think they have agreed on that yet. Keep in mind that this is a leaked story and nothing is offical. When they work out the details of the fight we'll hear weight, money (possibly) and the venue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" MedinaI hope Marquez is beign smart about the weight agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killa From Manila
The question is will Marquez be holding on to any of his belts because sactioning bodies will be asking for money from Marquez for a non-weightclass and a non-title fight. If Marquez loses this one, and bets are he will lose easily, after vacating belts his value goes down.
If he losses with Floyd (which I think he will) but showed a very competitive performance, I don't he will hurt his overall status that much.