Pac beating Ledwaba is impressive enough. I believe Ledwaba was one of Ring's top 10 best p4p fighter at that time and Pac only had 2 weeks to prepare for him.
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Pac beating Ledwaba is impressive enough. I believe Ledwaba was one of Ring's top 10 best p4p fighter at that time and Pac only had 2 weeks to prepare for him.
That was very impressive but woah.Ledwaba was well south of the top ten p4p and still somewhat of an less than vetted work in progress on a major stage.And never had relevance after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ASIAN SENSATION
sometimes we fail to see that amongst all the hulabaloos we put in to a fighter, particularly pac's foes, disregarding his hard work during training and weight draining b4 the fight, that those fighters have a name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing
does morales, barrera, marquez, larios, sasakul, ledwaba, de la hoya, hatton ring a bell to you?
yes they are all famous and great fighters. and by some great coincidence, true or not, we see them as either shot, green,really not worthy of their names after pac was finished with them! take a step back and you see all these names with those tags makes me think: how ridiculous can this be!!
even if those are true, you just can't take the fact that these fighters are or were great fighters therefore give pac credit weather you like it or not. otherwise pac would'nt be great if he had'nt beat them in a convincing fachion, well save for jmm, but pac won on him on record too.
an elite beats an elite. you can't just claim this as not great accomplishments coz a great fighter in pac did that. if pac was'nt great he would'nt do that. he is'nt a class-b or class c fighter isn't he? if that was'nt a great accomplishment, so what? that does'nt take away the fact pac is a great fighter and what he did does'nt stray away to these fact so you can rant your hatred forever if you want. do you expect a foe to be perfect before facing pac? you're really overambitious. appreciate what's on the table coz this are still great fights do you agree? if your man did'nt show up the way he should be, then the blame is on him not on pac! it's just bad that you would'nt give pac any credit.if that's what you think, then what kind of boxing fan are you?
boxing is just a shame because of fans like you who don't appreciate great fighters, and accomplishments just fall short because suddenly the foes facing pac become a zombie while facing him. that's real disrespect for pac or you're only up for hatred!
not all fighters have perfect resumes. this just goes to show that because of the hype pac is getting he also gets criticism. what about other fighters? get off being a troll to pac coz you're also hurting boxing in the process!
and stop calling pac fans cock roaches. at least we ain't trolls coz we are sarcastic in every siuation, whch pisses you off more, right?
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Originally Posted by mad_takamurasometimes we fail to see that amongst all the hulabaloos we put in to a fighter, particularly pac's foes, disregarding his hard work during training and weight draining b4 the fight, that those fighters have a name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing
does morales, barrera, marquez, larios, sasakul, ledwaba, de la hoya, hatton ring a bell to you?
yes they are all famous and great fighters. and by some great coincidence, true or not, we see them as either shot, green,really not worthy of their names after pac was finished with them! take a step back and you see all these names with those tags makes me think: how ridiculous can this be!!
even if those are true, you just can't take the fact that these fighters are or were great fighters therefore give pac credit weather you like it or not. otherwise pac would'nt be great if he had'nt beat them in a convincing fachion, well save for jmm, but pac won on him on record too.
an elite beats an elite. you can't just claim this as not great accomplishments coz a great fighter in pac did that. if pac was'nt great he would'nt do that. he is'nt a class-b or class c fighter isn't he? if that was'nt a great accomplishment, so what? that does'nt take away the fact pac is a great fighter and what he did does'nt stray away to these fact so you can rant your hatred forever if you want. do you expect a foe to be perfect before facing pac? you're really overambitious. appreciate what's on the table coz this are still great fights do you agree? if your man did'nt show up the way he should be, then the blame is on him not on pac! it's just bad that you would'nt give pac any credit.if that's what you think, then what kind of boxing fan are you?
boxing is just a shame because of fans like you who don't appreciate great fighters, and accomplishments just fall short because suddenly the foes facing pac become a zombie while facing him. that's real disrespect for pac or you're only up for hatred!
not all fighters have perfect resumes. this just goes to show that because of the hype pac is getting he also gets criticism. what about other fighters? get off being a troll to pac coz you're also hurting boxing in the process!
and stop calling pac fans cock roaches. at least we ain't trolls coz we are sarcastic in every siuation, whch pisses you off more, right?
for the record - Addicted to boxing is a well known troll, his post are usually ignored but thanks for putting him in his place ;)
Pac is a class X monster ala eugene of ghost fighter.;D;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamurasometimes we fail to see that amongst all the hulabaloos we put in to a fighter, particularly pac's foes, disregarding his hard work during training and weight draining b4 the fight, that those fighters have a name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing
does morales, barrera, marquez, larios, sasakul, ledwaba, de la hoya, hatton ring a bell to you?
yes they are all famous and great fighters. and by some great coincidence, true or not, we see them as either shot, green,really not worthy of their names after pac was finished with them! take a step back and you see all these names with those tags makes me think: how ridiculous can this be!!
even if those are true, you just can't take the fact that these fighters are or were great fighters therefore give pac credit weather you like it or not. otherwise pac would'nt be great if he had'nt beat them in a convincing fachion, well save for jmm, but pac won on him on record too.
an elite beats an elite. you can't just claim this as not great accomplishments coz a great fighter in pac did that. if pac was'nt great he would'nt do that. he is'nt a class-b or class c fighter isn't he? if that was'nt a great accomplishment, so what? that does'nt take away the fact pac is a great fighter and what he did does'nt stray away to these fact so you can rant your hatred forever if you want. do you expect a foe to be perfect before facing pac? you're really overambitious. appreciate what's on the table coz this are still great fights do you agree? if your man did'nt show up the way he should be, then the blame is on him not on pac! it's just bad that you would'nt give pac any credit.if that's what you think, then what kind of boxing fan are you?
boxing is just a shame because of fans like you who don't appreciate great fighters, and accomplishments just fall short because suddenly the foes facing pac become a zombie while facing him. that's real disrespect for pac or you're only up for hatred!
not all fighters have perfect resumes. this just goes to show that because of the hype pac is getting he also gets criticism. what about other fighters? get off being a troll to pac coz you're also hurting boxing in the process!
and stop calling pac fans cock roaches. at least we ain't trolls coz we are sarcastic in every siuation, whch pisses you off more, right?
or ippo makunuchi of hajime-no-ippo or more popularly known here as the anime show knockout!Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleePac is a class X monster ala eugene of ghost fighter.;D;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamurasometimes we fail to see that amongst all the hulabaloos we put in to a fighter, particularly pac's foes, disregarding his hard work during training and weight draining b4 the fight, that those fighters have a name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing
does morales, barrera, marquez, larios, sasakul, ledwaba, de la hoya, hatton ring a bell to you?
yes they are all famous and great fighters. and by some great coincidence, true or not, we see them as either shot, green,really not worthy of their names after pac was finished with them! take a step back and you see all these names with those tags makes me think: how ridiculous can this be!!
even if those are true, you just can't take the fact that these fighters are or were great fighters therefore give pac credit weather you like it or not. otherwise pac would'nt be great if he had'nt beat them in a convincing fachion, well save for jmm, but pac won on him on record too.
an elite beats an elite. you can't just claim this as not great accomplishments coz a great fighter in pac did that. if pac was'nt great he would'nt do that. he is'nt a class-b or class c fighter isn't he? if that was'nt a great accomplishment, so what? that does'nt take away the fact pac is a great fighter and what he did does'nt stray away to these fact so you can rant your hatred forever if you want. do you expect a foe to be perfect before facing pac? you're really overambitious. appreciate what's on the table coz this are still great fights do you agree? if your man did'nt show up the way he should be, then the blame is on him not on pac! it's just bad that you would'nt give pac any credit.if that's what you think, then what kind of boxing fan are you?
boxing is just a shame because of fans like you who don't appreciate great fighters, and accomplishments just fall short because suddenly the foes facing pac become a zombie while facing him. that's real disrespect for pac or you're only up for hatred!
not all fighters have perfect resumes. this just goes to show that because of the hype pac is getting he also gets criticism. what about other fighters? get off being a troll to pac coz you're also hurting boxing in the process!
and stop calling pac fans cock roaches. at least we ain't trolls coz we are sarcastic in every siuation, whch pisses you off more, right?
Nice try, but although the boxers names are impressive you never answered the questions of my post ! About fighting fighters coming off a loss in one of either their last or prior to last fights! Of fighting fighters with little elusiveness, Of fighting fighters with no"REAL" power Soto did not meet the calculated match requirements - too much of a power risk . Soto F/U his lil bro and Pac never redeemed the family name. Instead he gave a fight opportunity to a lighter weighing Larios. Now, Pac has surpassed Soto in weight and skill to warrant a match today
GREAT GREAT GREAT handling by Cock-Roach. Where does this imply Pac fans are cockroaches? Come out of Pac;s anus for air please ....... This is a stab at Roach!
Pointing out a a valid point does not make me a troll. Responding to a post with information not related to the content justifies how the smegma in your mouth has reached your brain!
haha JuliusRain & brucelee the Pac-Parrots .......... Mr. & Mrs. Repeat-AllQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain:appl:Quote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamurasometimes we fail to see that amongst all the hulabaloos we put in to a fighter, particularly pac's foes, disregarding his hard work during training and weight draining b4 the fight, that those fighters have a name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing
does morales, barrera, marquez, larios, sasakul, ledwaba, de la hoya, hatton ring a bell to you?
yes they are all famous and great fighters. and by some great coincidence, true or not, we see them as either shot, green,really not worthy of their names after pac was finished with them! take a step back and you see all these names with those tags makes me think: how ridiculous can this be!!
even if those are true, you just can't take the fact that these fighters are or were great fighters therefore give pac credit weather you like it or not. otherwise pac would'nt be great if he had'nt beat them in a convincing fachion, well save for jmm, but pac won on him on record too.
an elite beats an elite. you can't just claim this as not great accomplishments coz a great fighter in pac did that. if pac was'nt great he would'nt do that. he is'nt a class-b or class c fighter isn't he? if that was'nt a great accomplishment, so what? that does'nt take away the fact pac is a great fighter and what he did does'nt stray away to these fact so you can rant your hatred forever if you want. do you expect a foe to be perfect before facing pac? you're really overambitious. appreciate what's on the table coz this are still great fights do you agree? if your man did'nt show up the way he should be, then the blame is on him not on pac! it's just bad that you would'nt give pac any credit.if that's what you think, then what kind of boxing fan are you?
boxing is just a shame because of fans like you who don't appreciate great fighters, and accomplishments just fall short because suddenly the foes facing pac become a zombie while facing him. that's real disrespect for pac or you're only up for hatred!
not all fighters have perfect resumes. this just goes to show that because of the hype pac is getting he also gets criticism. what about other fighters? get off being a troll to pac coz you're also hurting boxing in the process!
and stop calling pac fans cock roaches. at least we ain't trolls coz we are sarcastic in every siuation, whch pisses you off more, right?
for the record - Addicted to boxing is a well known troll, his post are usually ignored but thanks for putting him in his place ;)
well julius was right about you addicted to boxing or should i say addicted to trolling? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxinghaha JuliusRain & brucelee the Pac-Parrots .......... Mr. & Mrs. Repeat-AllQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain:appl:Quote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamura
for the record - Addicted to boxing is a well known troll, his post are usually ignored but thanks for putting him in his place ;)
addicted to trolling, i guess your addiction to being a troll made you too high it clouded your judgment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing
you said pac replaced redemption of family name and avenging bobby pac's loss to soto by avoiding soto and fighting larios instead. tell me: are you, if ever you are in a sound mind, serious at all with this post?!
coz you are completely false. it seems going around in boxing forums like this your only purpose is to troll. based to the chronological sequence of events your post is just too false and makes me wonder if i ever have to take you seriously.
the pac larios fight happened at 2006 while soto beating bobby pac happened at 2007! so to who do pac have to avenge for when he fought larios instead? who did pac avoided and replaced larios for?
this post just proves that you don't know what you're talking about addicted. all you really know is to spew hatred through trolling.:rolleyes:
you should change your name from addicted to boxing to addicted to trolling really.
Addicted to trolling had been unmasked. He only comes here when pac has an upcoming fight or when there is an issue about Pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamuraaddicted to trolling, i guess your addiction to being a troll made you too high it clouded your judgment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing
you said pac replaced redemption of family name and avenging bobby pac's loss to soto by avoiding soto and fighting larios instead. tell me: are you, if ever you are in a sound mind, serious at all with this post?!
coz you are completely false. it seems going around in boxing forums like this your only purpose is to troll. based to the chronological sequence of events your post is just too false and makes me wonder if i ever have to take you seriously.
the pac larios fight happened at 2006 while soto beating bobby pac happened at 2007! so to who do pac have to avenge for when he fought larios instead? who did pac avoided and replaced larios for?
this post just proves that you don't know what you're talking about addicted. all you really know is to spew hatred through trolling.:rolleyes:
you should change your name from addicted to boxing to addicted to trolling really.
He's not even addicted to trolling; he's addicted to hating pac. ;D;D;D
He's as infamous as VD when it comes to ridiculous comments.:cool::cool::cool:
Words are just easy to say but accomplishments are the true measure of a man.
You are partially correct in that i said Larios but actually Pac decided to fight a washed up MAB in a rematch. Same message though, address that !!!! Pac pussed out despite seeing Soto beat the the piss out of his brother Bobby .... looking foward to seeing your excuse !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamuraaddicted to trolling, i guess your addiction to being a troll made you too high it clouded your judgment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing
you said pac replaced redemption of family name and avenging bobby pac's loss to soto by avoiding soto and fighting larios instead. tell me: are you, if ever you are in a sound mind, serious at all with this post?!
coz you are completely false. it seems going around in boxing forums like this your only purpose is to troll. based to the chronological sequence of events your post is just too false and makes me wonder if i ever have to take you seriously.
the pac larios fight happened at 2006 while soto beating bobby pac happened at 2007! so to who do pac have to avenge for when he fought larios instead? who did pac avoided and replaced larios for?
this post just proves that you don't know what you're talking about addicted. all you really know is to spew hatred through trolling.:rolleyes:
you should change your name from addicted to boxing to addicted to trolling really.
http://jcnot4me.com/images/pot_calls_kettle_black.bmpQuote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeAddicted to trolling had been unmasked. He only comes here when pac has an upcoming fight or when there is an issue about Pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamuraaddicted to trolling, i guess your addiction to being a troll made you too high it clouded your judgment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing
you said pac replaced redemption of family name and avenging bobby pac's loss to soto by avoiding soto and fighting larios instead. tell me: are you, if ever you are in a sound mind, serious at all with this post?!
coz you are completely false. it seems going around in boxing forums like this your only purpose is to troll. based to the chronological sequence of events your post is just too false and makes me wonder if i ever have to take you seriously.
the pac larios fight happened at 2006 while soto beating bobby pac happened at 2007! so to who do pac have to avenge for when he fought larios instead? who did pac avoided and replaced larios for?
this post just proves that you don't know what you're talking about addicted. all you really know is to spew hatred through trolling.:rolleyes:
you should change your name from addicted to boxing to addicted to trolling really.
He's not even addicted to trolling; he's addicted to hating pac. ;D;D;D
He's as infamous as VD when it comes to ridiculous comments.:cool::cool::cool:
ok here is my "excuse."Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxingYou are partially correct in that i said Larios but actually Pac decided to fight a washed up MAB in a rematch. Same message though, address that !!!! Pac pussed out despite seeing Soto beat the the piss out of his brother Bobby .... looking foward to seeing your excuse !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamuraaddicted to trolling, i guess your addiction to being a troll made you too high it clouded your judgment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing
you said pac replaced redemption of family name and avenging bobby pac's loss to soto by avoiding soto and fighting larios instead. tell me: are you, if ever you are in a sound mind, serious at all with this post?!
coz you are completely false. it seems going around in boxing forums like this your only purpose is to troll. based to the chronological sequence of events your post is just too false and makes me wonder if i ever have to take you seriously.
the pac larios fight happened at 2006 while soto beating bobby pac happened at 2007! so to who do pac have to avenge for when he fought larios instead? who did pac avoided and replaced larios for?
this post just proves that you don't know what you're talking about addicted. all you really know is to spew hatred through trolling.:rolleyes:
you should change your name from addicted to boxing to addicted to trolling really.
there are 2 reasons why.
1. market value. during that time, whose name is more established? mab or soto? to who shall pac have more reward in terms of ppv and ticket sales? and i don't think risk has to do anything with that. for me at that time soto can't even match up with pac so why would pac elude soto? my reason for this is because soto even suffered a knockdown from the lesser, more average bobby pac during their fight so what more if that was the pacman during that time? have you watched the fight? bobby decked him! however compared to bobby pac, pacman is more faster, skillful and stronger than his kid brother! imagine what the pacman would've done during that time! and i'm emphasizing during that time since you even admitted how pac has now outdone soto in terms of skill. poor soto.
but let's get back to the market value. although soto beat rocky juarez impressively prior to the time of the mab-pac rematch, that doe'snt even warrant him a fight with pac imo that can outdo the ppv potential of a mab-pac2 with regards to mab's mexican and american fans. with mexican fans alone, mab has a better fanbase than la zorrita. and ticket sales and ppv buys? do we need to argue with that? mab owns soto off course.
and mab being washed up? if he was he did'nt gave jmm a competetive fight. he even lasted with jmm exchanging and engaging blows. heck he even performed better than casa or juan diaz. both were ktfo'ed by jmm! his fight with khan recently didn't even proved more, coz that fight was stopped due to a headbutt.
and quit whinning pac has outdone anybody from his potential foes in the lower weights in terms of weight and skill. you're sounding like pacdbest already! that's how pac is, a former flyweight winning all the way to the welterweights! that's phenomenal weather you admit it or not!
2.pac's personality. pac always make sure that he gives back to the people who in more ways than one helped him get to the point where he is right now, boxing superstardom. when he comes home from a fight, he shares his blessing by having the whole people in his province and basically anyone who approaches him needing help) receive food money and clothes, each and everyone of them, knowing that his province is poverty stricken. he's too generous that even roach was afraid that he might lose half of his money by giving too much! he even gave one friend a new car, a stadium full of cockfighting afficionados 1000 pesos each ($22 each i guess, but that's a lot since my country is a 3rd world country.) he is a generous, humble, down to earth person willing to give back the blessings he receive. him being a devout catholic has a lot to do with that. and what is the connection in this to why he chose mab you ask?
pac owes a lot to mab in one way or the other. he even explained this before the contract signing that if not to mab he wouldn't even be known today. that win by pac basically started his fame and recognition in the boxing world. if not that win against mab, i don't think he would even get a chance to fight em imo! so that rematch shows how he acknowledge that fact; he gave mab a chance to redeem himself again and so is the rematch.
mab being washed up? 7 straight wins after his loss to pac and a ud loss to jmm makes that argument a little stale. i would only agree that em is the one who is washed up but not mab!
sorry for this post being long. i hope i answered your querry satisfactory in your behalf.
i think his accomplishments are great, the fighters hes beat over the years show this, people have made excuses sayin his opponents where shot and stuff, i tell u what tho no body else in the world on them nights could of done what pacman did to those fightersQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
6 division champ, won 4 lineal belts, defeated 4 future HOFers, 2-time BWAA FOTY. I think those are great accoplisments.
Haha....I thought all of this was flushed with the forum.....oh boy:-X
at the age of:
19= WBC World Flyweight Champion
22=IBF World Super Bantamweight Champion
24=Ring Magazine World Featherweight Champion
29=WBC/Ring Magazine World Super Featherweight Champion
=WBC World Lightweight Champion
30=IBO/Ring Magazine World Light Welterweight Champion
At the age of 22 he was already a 2 division world champion, when people consider 22 as a baby in boxing excuses of being too green for other fighters. Manny Pacman Pacquiao is already a 2 division champ.
Manny Pacquiao has gone thru 10 weight classes as of the moment now that's as close as you can get to a throw back fighter!!!
147 lb (66.7 kg)Welterweight140 lb (63.5 kg)Super lightweightSuper lightweightJunior welterweightJunior welterweightLight welterweight135 lb (61.2 kg)Lightweight130 lb (59.0 kg)Super featherweightSuper featherweightJunior lightweightJunior lightweightSuper featherweight126 lb (57.2 kg)Featherweight122 lb (55.3 kg)Super bantamweightSuper bantamweightJunior featherweightJunior featherweightSuper bantamweight118 lb (53.5 kg)Bantamweight115 lb (52.2 kg)Super flyweightSuper flyweightJunior bantamweightJunior bantamweightSuper flyweight112 lb (50.8 kg)Flyweight108 lb (49.0 kg)Light flyweightLight flyweightJunior flyweightJunior flyweightLight flyweight
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Originally Posted by generalbulldog
:rolleyes:im not sure I need bother to analyze this your ignorant post speaks for itself.
Accomplishments are pretty amazing to me; I mean hell the guy started out fighting at Grasshopper weight;D He's done his job and seems to get more ferocious each fight; give the man a break. F#ck he made what was supposed to be the best 140 guy look like he was a bumbling Special Olympian jumping hurdles:bucktooth:
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Originally Posted by generalbulldog
Overrated????? Pacman will go down as one of the all time greats. you cant be serious?? You wasted that much typing space to tell us that this man's spectacular TKOs over some of the best boxers of our era arent that great? I would pick todays pacman over most past greats in their prime. His physical abilities are incredible and he will continue to amaze.
problem is, general bulldog called this 140 guy not elite.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
Elite or not, Hatton was the best 140lb'er around and had been since 2005. What Pacquiao did to him was an impressive feat. What he's going to do to Cotto will be even more impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamuraproblem is, general bulldog called this 140 guy not elite.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
I always get a kick out of the fact that up until being destroyed by Manny Hatton "Was" eLITE....
aFTER THE mANNY BEATDOW HE SUDDENLY BECOMES A CLUB FIGHTER IN PEOPLES EYES....
Just like,,,,(pre handwrap issue).....Margarito was nothing more then a club fighter til he beat Cotto......
Can't be both ways....
Hatton was elite, he beat big names in the WW and JWW divisions, he was the man at 140 til he lost to Manny....Hatton was in no way a second rate fighter
Sanchez, Julio, Lucero, Barrera 2, Morales 2, Larios, Solis, Marquez, Hatton, DLH.......
Pretty damn good resume....
I think Ricky Hatton was a very good fighter, but i don't know about elite. Who are these big names he beat ? he only had 1 win at Welterweight a very controversial decision against Luis Collazo.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
He beat Kostya Tszyu which was a very good win, but he was for certain on the slide at that time IMO. He beat a very faded Jose Luis Castillo.
And his other wins against Ray Olveria, Freddie Pendleton, Ben Tackie, who were shot fighters or just only decent to begin with like Ben Tackie.
And fighters like Paul Malignaggi who is only known for taking a good beating, off Miguel Cotto had looked garbage in his previous fights before the Ricky Hatton one. And Juan Urango got a gift decision to earn his title.
I give Manny Pacquiao alot of credit but i think calling Ricky Hatton elite, or saying he beat big names is a bit of stretch IMO.
But i agree with what your saying Ricky Hatton certainly wasn't no, 2nd rate fighter or ETC. I just never thought Ricky Hatton was that great to be honest, but thats a debatable opinion.
Ricky Hatton was a good fighter, just not elite. I mean would anyone call Arturo Gatti an elite fighter or just good fighter?
And I have to add that Manny Pacquiao is an 1 dimensional fighter/brawler. These guys gets exposed against elite slick boxers. Think Ali-Liston, Whittaker-Chavez, Leonard-Duran 2, Robinson-Lamotta, Mayweather-Gatti, etc.
It's been proven in boxing history that the all time greatest boxers in this sport are slick boxers, 1 dimensional brawlers ends up getting embarrassed.
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Originally Posted by ICBI think Ricky Hatton was a very good fighter, but i don't know about elite. Who are these big names he beat ? he only had 1 win at Welterweight a very controversial decision against Luis Collazo.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
He beat Kostya Tszyu which was a very good win, but he was for certain on the slide at that time IMO. He beat a very faded Jose Luis Castillo.
And his other wins against Ray Olveria, Freddie Pendleton, Ben Tackie, who were shot fighters or just only decent to begin with like Ben Tackie.
And fighters like Paul Malignaggi who is only known for taking a good beating, off Miguel Cotto had looked garbage in his previous fights before the Ricky Hatton one. And Juan Urango got a gift decision to earn his title.
I give Manny Pacquiao alot of credit but i think calling Ricky Hatton elite, or saying he beat big names is a bit of stretch IMO.
But i agree with what your saying Ricky Hatton certainly wasn't no, 2nd rate fighter or ETC. I just never thought Ricky Hatton was that great to be honest, but thats a debatable opinion.
But again until the Pacquiao loss who was staing different?
Those are the pros but the cons areQuote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Couldnt beat Sanchez
Got knocked out by Torrencampo
Got knocked out by Singursat
Got beaten by a washed up Morales who was coming off a loss to Barrera
Think of it this way. Would you be asking the question if they weren't? And oh by the way, if you look atr his entire body of work and know anything about Asian fighters, you would know that he has beaten many tough guys like Wethya Sakmuangklang, Seung-Kon Chae, Chatchai Sasakul, Chokchai Chockvivat, Reynante Jamili,Jorge Eliecer Julio, Fahsan 3K Battery, and Emmanuel Lucero. And this before his lates run of super wins against future Hall of Famers.
This guy is an ATG!
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Originally Posted by GAMEThose are the pros but the cons areQuote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Couldnt beat Sanchez
Got knocked out by Torrencampo
Got knocked out by Singursat
Got beaten by a washed up Morales who was coming off a loss to Barrera
In the Sanchez fight he was butted and cut not too mention it only went 6 rds, Torrencampo and Singusat were how early in his career?
Thats like saying Bernard Hopkins is not that good BeCause he could not BeaT Clinton Mitchell
I agree to you... :) The people who say the Pacquiao is not great is called an "IDIOT" or don't know boxing. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxer
Pacquiao is going for his 7th division title and maybe 5th lineal title. Why? Miguel Cotto just beat Shane Mosley.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAgxZ6yrNq0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1ci655jbcI
http://forum.philboxing.com/download.php?id=13519
Pac was actually winning against SAnchez when the fight was called off. Those who keep on bringing Sanchez should better watch again that fight. Pac was hitting SAnchez with power punches and it would just be a matter of few rounds that Sanchez would go down with the punishment he was getting from Pac. Sanchez was the dirtiest fighter I've seen.Quote:
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Originally Posted by GAMEThose are the pros but the cons areQuote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Couldnt beat Sanchez
Got knocked out by Torrencampo
Got knocked out by Singursat
Got beaten by a washed up Morales who was coming off a loss to Barrera
In the Sanchez fight he was butted and cut not too mention it only went 6 rds, Torrencampo and Singusat were how early in his career?
Thats like saying Bernard Hopkins is not that good BeCause he could not BeaT Clinton Mitchell
Anyway, no need to mention Sanchez unless you're VD's alt.:-X
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Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxingYou are partially correct in that i said Larios but actually Pac decided to fight a washed up MAB in a rematch. Same message though, address that !!!! Pac pussed out despite seeing Soto beat the the piss out of his brother Bobby .... looking foward to seeing your excuse !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamuraaddicted to trolling, i guess your addiction to being a troll made you too high it clouded your judgment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing
you said pac replaced redemption of family name and avenging bobby pac's loss to soto by avoiding soto and fighting larios instead. tell me: are you, if ever you are in a sound mind, serious at all with this post?!
coz you are completely false. it seems going around in boxing forums like this your only purpose is to troll. based to the chronological sequence of events your post is just too false and makes me wonder if i ever have to take you seriously.
the pac larios fight happened at 2006 while soto beating bobby pac happened at 2007! so to who do pac have to avenge for when he fought larios instead? who did pac avoided and replaced larios for?
this post just proves that you don't know what you're talking about addicted. all you really know is to spew hatred through trolling.:rolleyes:
you should change your name from addicted to boxing to addicted to trolling really.
So you saying Soto would beat Pacquiao? If thats he case then well......your an idiot!
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Originally Posted by JazMerkin
With out meaning to, you've probably pointed out something that a lot of people are thinking:
This sport has BIG problems.
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Originally Posted by itouchpinoyI agree to you... :) The people who say the Pacquiao is not great is called an "IDIOT" or don't know boxing. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxer
Pacquiao is going for his 7th division title and maybe 5th lineal title. Why? Miguel Cotto just beat Shane Mosley.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAgxZ6yrNq0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1ci655jbcI
http://forum.philboxing.com/download.php?id=13519
He is the greatest what? His career still has time before he can be called the greatest of all time, right now he is the best P4P but that can change with one fight....
I think you are throwing the word "Greatest" around a bit too freely.....
You do realize that you have the trailer park of Sig's?
He just called him great bro not the greatest.Quote:
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Originally Posted by itouchpinoyI agree to you... :) The people who say the Pacquiao is not great is called an "IDIOT" or don't know boxing. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxer
Pacquiao is going for his 7th division title and maybe 5th lineal title. Why? Miguel Cotto just beat Shane Mosley.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAgxZ6yrNq0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1ci655jbcI
http://forum.philboxing.com/download.php?id=13519
He is the greatest what? His career still has time before he can be called the greatest of all time, right now he is the best P4P but that can change with one fight....
I think you are throwing the word "Greatest" around a bit too freely.....
You do realize that you have the trailer park of Sig's?
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Originally Posted by ICBHe just called him great bro not the greatest.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by itouchpinoy
He is the greatest what? His career still has time before he can be called the greatest of all time, right now he is the best P4P but that can change with one fight....
I think you are throwing the word "Greatest" around a bit too freely.....
You do realize that you have the trailer park of Sig's?
He thinks Pacquiao is the greatest thing since porn on the web....He would eat cereal out of Manny's dirty Jock if allowed almost every post he has ever made is about how great Manny is.....
Don't defend a nut hugger ICB you make yourself look bad rgardless if he said great or greatest
LOL. I thought all the while that nut hugging is a good thing. ;D;D;DQuote:
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Originally Posted by ICBHe just called him great bro not the greatest.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
He thinks Pacquiao is the greatest thing since porn on the web....He would eat cereal out of Manny's dirty Jock if allowed almost every post he has ever made is about how great Manny is.....
Don't defend a nut hugger ICB you make yourself look bad rgardless if he said great or greatest