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that's the main thing that pisses me off, if Manny actually wins the title what is gonna do? call for bullshit catchweights for every fucking title defense? he needs to man up and fight a full fledged welter who's able to make the limit especially when that full fledged welterweight is champion
If future opponents agree to the catchweight then why the hell should anyone care? Nobody has to agree to that, it isn't like they have a gun to their head.
It's not like he's Mayweather making small guys come up to him. Manny is still going up to the bigger guys even if it is a catchweight.
Sorry, but name me when Mayweather did this. The only possible name you could throw up is Ricky Hatton who chased the fight. The same Ricky Hatton who was already a world champ at 147. You simply can't name another 'small guy' who he's made come up to him.
Last I checked Marquez fought last at 135 and is coming up to 144 for the fight. That's making a small guy come to you.
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Sorry man that statement doesn't make sense.
It makes perfect sense. The 147 limit is NOT the only thing that makes it a welterweight fight. If it is below 147 and above 140, then it is a welterweight bout by definition. But it is also a catchweight fight because the two sides agreed to move the limit down to 145. But 145 falls between 147 and 140, so it is still a welterweight fight also. Makes perfect sense.
No it doesn't, it is a Catchweight fight, it is not a Welterweight Catchweight fight. A catchweight fight is a negotiated weight limit BETWEEN two weight classes. Otherwise there would be no reason to mention the catchweight at all, they always fall within a weight class.
If it's between 140 and 147, then it's a welterweight fight. That's what a welterweight fight is. 145 is between those weights, so it's a welterweight fight. It's not "BETWEEN" two weight classes, it falls directly within the welterweight area.
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If future opponents agree to the catchweight then why the hell should anyone care? Nobody has to agree to that, it isn't like they have a gun to their head. It's not like he's Mayweather making small guys come up to him. Manny is still going up to the bigger guys even if it is a catchweight.
Sorry, but name me when Mayweather did this. The only possible name you could throw up is Ricky Hatton who chased the fight. The same Ricky Hatton who was already a world champ at 147. You simply can't name another 'small guy' who he's made come up to him.
Last I checked Marquez fought last at 135 and is coming up to 144 for the fight. That's making a small guy come to you.
Marquez called out Mayweather and it's not for a title.
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It makes perfect sense. The 147 limit is NOT the only thing that makes it a welterweight fight. If it is below 147 and above 140, then it is a welterweight bout by definition. But it is also a catchweight fight because the two sides agreed to move the limit down to 145. But 145 falls between 147 and 140, so it is still a welterweight fight also. Makes perfect sense.
No it doesn't, it is a Catchweight fight, it is not a Welterweight Catchweight fight. A catchweight fight is a negotiated weight limit BETWEEN two weight classes. Otherwise there would be no reason to mention the catchweight at all, they always fall within a weight class.
If it's between 140 and 147, then it's a welterweight fight. That's what a welterweight fight is. 145 is between those weights, so it's a welterweight fight.
So in your opinion there are no catchweights?
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JazMerkin
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ClubberLang
If future opponents agree to the catchweight then why the hell should anyone care? Nobody has to agree to that, it isn't like they have a gun to their head. It's not like he's Mayweather making small guys come up to him. Manny is still going up to the bigger guys even if it is a catchweight.
Sorry, but name me when Mayweather did this. The only possible name you could throw up is Ricky Hatton who chased the fight. The same Ricky Hatton who was already a world champ at 147. You simply can't name another 'small guy' who he's made come up to him.
Last I checked Marquez fought last at 135 and is coming up to 144 for the fight. That's making a small guy come to you.
Right, the same Marquez who we all saw call for the fight & who went life & death with Pacquiao. At least Mayweather is fighting him a lb lower than Pacquiao fights Cotto in your eyes right? Marquez called him out so he has to be the one to make concessions, or does that only apply when it's Manny Pacquiao making the demands. They're apparently the same size, so what's the problem him fighting Mayweather at 144 but not Pac fighting Cotto at 145?
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No it doesn't, it is a Catchweight fight, it is not a Welterweight Catchweight fight. A catchweight fight is a negotiated weight limit BETWEEN two weight classes. Otherwise there would be no reason to mention the catchweight at all, they always fall within a weight class.
If it's between 140 and 147, then it's a welterweight fight. That's what a welterweight fight is. 145 is between those weights, so it's a welterweight fight.
So in your opinion there are no catchweights?
Sure, but a catchweight simply means that the normal limit for a weight class is moved down. But the limit of a weight is NOT what makes it a fight in a particular weight class. The weight class can be any weight between one weight and another. 170 for instance is a light heavy fight because it is above 168 but below 175. I don't see why this is so difficult to understand.
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If it's between 140 and 147, then it's a welterweight fight. That's what a welterweight fight is. 145 is between those weights, so it's a welterweight fight.
So in your opinion there are no catchweights?
Sure, but a catchweight simply means that the normal limit for a weight class is moved down.
But the limit of a weight is NOT what makes it a fight in a particular weight class. The weight class can be any weight between one weight and another. 170 for instance is a light heavy fight because it is above 168 but below 175. I don't see why this is so difficult to understand.
Maybe, I'm not making my case clear enough.
The limits of the weight class are precisely what makes a fight in a particular weight class. In this case 141 at the low end and 147 at the high end is defined by ALL institutions of professional boxing to define the Welterweight class. Should boxers choose to come in at 142, 146 whatever they are fighting within the RECOGNIZED weight class limits.
Now, the term catchweight comes into play when the official recognized limits of weightclasses are moved and therefore by definition cease to adhere to the established limits of a weightclass.
This is a catchweight fight.
I have to go to a movie now, we can continue later.
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Good so you agree that Cotto can come in at 147.
You guys bitching and moaning about the weight and split can save it. No one forced Cotto to take the fight. He has a team of negotiators who settled on those terms with the Paquiao camp. If Cotto and his team are satisfied with the terms, then there's no reason anyone else should care. 145 is a welterweight fight by definition, period. It's perfectly legitimate for the belt to be at stake and Cotto doesn't have a problem with it.
But Manny has issues with fighting at 147 which automatically devalues this fight. No matter who wins IMO.
This is not for the WW crown whatsoever, despite what we are being fed here. Manny is too chicken to fight for that kind of thing. :rolleyes:
Really Miles? I know you have some heavy dislike for the Pacquiao/Roach camp but to call Manny a chicken is a stretch. He already fought Barrera, Morales, and Marquez multiple times!! Then he moved up in weight and was considered the smaller man against Diaz, De La Hoya, Hatton, and now Cotto. Who else is willing to fight these types of fighters and scale as many weights?!
I don't get how people are complaining about P4P fighters matching up with each other. Pac is going up 5 pounds from his last fight and Cotto just needs to lose 1.
But! I don't think the title should be on the line if the limit isn't 147 IMO.
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Great news for Manny and for all boxing fans who prefer the actual fights over bearuocratic nonsense.
This will be an historic event with Manny fighting to be the first seven weight world champion in the history of boxing.
Of course a few whiners will moan and argue that Cotto should be stripped and that the well known and respected Antonin Decaire take on Rafal Jackiewicz for the vacant strap but for those of us unburdened by cares of technical rulings regarding fighters weighing two pounds under the max limit we can enjoy a proper good tearup.
I couldn't agree with Bilbo more!
It's 2 pounds FFS. Cotto is happy with it, Manny is happy with it and so is the WBO. It's a perfectly legitimate WW fight and I for one can't wait to see it! :cool:
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Hey everyone! Write to the Nevada Athletic State Commission to protest this fight along with the FLoyd-JMM fight. It's a farce I tell you! No catchweight fights you hear me!
Business & Industry - Nevada Athletic Commission
And the sanctity of an alphabet belt organization must be protected! Floyd and Manny are chicken I say!
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Nah, I'm just fukking. Just like Violent Demise said, he's going to get high and order the fight! Though I'm not going to get high but will enjoy this fight and the Floy-JMM fight!:cool:
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Who gives a fuck. They are fighting eachother. Cotto coming in at 145 will make almost zero difference. It makes roughly the same difference as Pac fighting somebody naturally so much bigger does.
All those calling Pac a pussy etc need to give their heads a wobble.
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There you have it. So now the people can go back to b-itching about the catchweight instead.
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You almost have to wonder why there's still even weight divisions any more since so many fights lately take place at catch weights.
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I hope that the belt really is not on the line. If they fight at a catchweight just for the fight then thats okay but if Pac wants the welterweight title his team needs to adhere to the welterweight division range. Welterweight range is not 140.1 to 145. Its nonsensical. If Cotto weighed in at 146 then would he be stripped of his 147 title??? Either way, if a weight class title is on the line then no team should tell the other what part of the weight range they are allowed to put their belt up for. Its changing the rules entirely for a title fight. The rules have to be adamant. Boxing is already dirty enough. This would then open up more bull for boxing. Keep the title out of it and let the fight remain a catchweight fight.
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There you have it. So now the people can go back to b-itching about the catchweight instead.
Hah!! The problem now is that Cotto fans are gonna see that their boy still has a belt even after he gets thumped, and it will bother them because they will know in their hearts that PAC really should be champ.
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There you have it. So now the people can go back to b-itching about the catchweight instead.
Hah!! The problem now is that Cotto fans are gonna see that their boy still has a belt even after he gets thumped, and it will bother them because they will know in their hearts that PAC really should be champ.
Or it is a foot in for a rematch at 147 if Cotto loses. If the higher up really don't want Manny in with Mayweather yet, why not keep all the money again, fight would sell better than most other options even if Cotto loses a closeish decision.
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There you have it. So now the people can go back to b-itching about the catchweight instead.
Hah!! The problem now is that Cotto fans are gonna see that their boy still has a belt even after he gets thumped, and it will bother them because they will know in their hearts that PAC really should be champ.
Or it is a foot in for a rematch at 147 if Cotto loses. If the higher up really don't want Manny in with Mayweather yet, why not keep all the money again, fight would sell better than most other options even if Cotto loses a closeish decision.
Good point, I hadn't considered that. But I don't think it will be close. And PAC won't bother with a second fight in order to take the belt, cause I don't think gives a damn about the belt in the first place, else he'd fight at 147. And I don't believe PAC or Roach really think that one or two pounds makes a difference.
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There you have it. So now the people can go back to b-itching about the catchweight instead.
I'm satisfied now.
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You almost have to wonder why there's still even weight divisions any more since so many fights lately take place at catch weights.
Catchweights only occur when champions from different divisions meet. It's not big deal imo. Hopkins was 175 champ Pavlik 160, meet at 170 why is that a problem? Nobody really gives a tuppeny fuck about an alphabet belt anyway.
@ Killersheep, I didn't understand your point about a 145 lb not being valid as a welterweight fight. If a fighter wishes to weigh in at 145 he is perfectly allowed to, he can weigh in at at 141 if he likes.
You keep talking about the rules being changed to set a max limit of 145 but the rules arn't being changed at all. Cotto is AGREEING to come in at 145, he's not being ordered to. It's an agreement between two fighters, both who are happy with the arrangement so what does it have to do with anybody else?
Let me clarify that some more. If Cotto came in over the 145 limit, the fight won't get cancelled, he won't have broken the WBO regulations. All that will happen is that he will have broken the contract with Manny, and would likely have to pay him lots of cash. It has nothing at all to do with the WBO or Cotto and Manny changing the max weight limits for the welterweight division, they don't have the power to do that, it's simply a seperate agreement and should Cotto violate it, he breaks the contract with Manny NOT the WBO.
It's a shame the sanctioning fees arn't being paid, although $400,000 is a lot of dough to cough up.
It wouldn't suprise me Manny really wants that belt that he might pay the fees himself? :thinking2:
If not, well then he probably doesn't care.
It would be nice for him to be a bonafida seven weight world champ but it doesn't really matter, people refer to Calzaghe as a two weight world champ but there was no significant belt on the line against Hopkins either.
Anyhoo, cannot wait for the fight, it's gonna be a barnburner.
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Alright I had to come back from the dead to chime in on this one...Heres the thing, a welterweight fight can and should be within the Welterweight limit. Manny and Cotto can both weight in at 145, fine. BUT, Manny and Cotto should be able to weigh in at 145 and 147, respectively. Both scenarios are within the limit. The greater problem is the ethical dillema: What if tommorow WBA Welterweight Champion Shane Mosley announces that he is defending his tiltle against...Clottey for instance, but states that he will only defend it if he and Clottey both weight in at 142. Is that fair and is that acceptable. The answer is, no. At least in my opinion. What if Valuev stated that he will only defend his title at 330 pounds, is that fair and should the WBA accept that?
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Also you have to think, if you are ,Fighter A, the rightful mandatory to fight for the Welterweight strap, and that belt changes hands in a 145 clash between Fighter B and C,that could have gone another way if Fighter C came in at 147, should you be able to demand that your title shot with Fighter B be at 145 too. I would think so, and that is a problem because where does it end?
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Also you have to think, if you are ,Fighter A, the rightful mandatory to fight for the Welterweight strap, and that belt changes hands in a 145 clash between Fighter B and C,that could have gone another way if Fighter C came in at 147, should you be able to demand that your title shot with Fighter B be at 145 too. I would think so, and that is a problem because where does it end?
You're misunderstanding, its NOT the WBO who are sanctioning a 145 lb fight, its nothing to do with them. Their weight limit is 147 lbs and Cotto CAN weigh in at 147 if he wants to. He won't be breaking any contract with the WBO but just with Manny and his team.
The fight would still go ahead, he'd just have to pay Manny the agreed retribution money.
As for other fighters demanding a fight takes place at 145, they would have negotioate that with the other fighter seperately, its NOTHING to do with the WBO.
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There you have it. So now the people can go back to b-itching about the catchweight instead.
Hah!! The problem now is that Cotto fans are gonna see that their boy still has a belt even after he gets thumped, and it will bother them because they will know in their hearts that PAC really should be champ.
Wow, it must be nice to be such an authority on Cotto fans. Did you go to school for that? :dontknow:
You know exactly what we are going to think. How did you do that? :rolleyes:
Look everyone, it's The Amazing Kreskin!! :bowdown:
Obviously I'm a Cotto fan, but I am also a fan of Manny's, and to me, this is the kind of fight that I hate that someone has to lose. If Manny comes out as the winner, and if he wins fairly, I will have no problem with it, and I will congratulate him.
And no, I won't know in my heart that Manny should be the champion "if" he wins.
They are fighting at 145, fine, I have no problem with that. Miguel feels he can make that weight comfortably, and I have to trust in his judgement, but Miguel is the one that holds the belt, and the title, and if Manny really wanted that title, then he, and his fans, should of had no problem with him fighting at the weight that the champion Cotto defends it at, which is 147.
That is all. ;) ;D
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There you have it. So now the people can go back to b-itching about the catchweight instead.
Hah!! The problem now is that Cotto fans are gonna see that their boy still has a belt even after he gets thumped, and it will bother them because they will know in their hearts that PAC really should be champ.
Wow, it must be nice to be such an authority on Cotto fans. Did you go to school for that? :dontknow:
You know exactly what we are going to think. How did you do that? :rolleyes:
Look everyone, it's The Amazing Kreskin!! :bowdown:
Obviously I'm a Cotto fan, but I am also a fan of Manny's, and to me, this is the kind of fight that I hate that someone has to lose. If Manny comes out as the winner, and if he wins fairly, I will have no problem with it, and I will congratulate him.
And no, I won't know in my heart that Manny should be the champion "if" he wins.
They are fighting at 145, fine, I have no problem with that. Miguel feels he can make that weight comfortably, and I have to trust in his judgement, but Miguel is the one that holds the belt, and the title, and if Manny really wanted that title, then he, and his fans, should of had no problem with him fighting at the weight that the champion Cotto defends it at, which is 147.
That is all. ;) ;D
oooh sarcasm. OK well if I was a Cotto fan, and Cotto lost at 145 to PAC, I wouldn't feel quite so proud seeing Cotto still parading around with a 147 lb belt. Cause I don't think 2 lbs makes a big difference. But that's just me, obviously some Cotto fans feel differently.
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Hah!! The problem now is that Cotto fans are gonna see that their boy still has a belt even after he gets thumped, and it will bother them because they will know in their hearts that PAC really should be champ.
Wow, it must be nice to be such an authority on Cotto fans. Did you go to school for that? :dontknow:
You know exactly what we are going to think. How did you do that? :rolleyes:
Look everyone, it's The Amazing Kreskin!! :bowdown:
Obviously I'm a Cotto fan, but I am also a fan of Manny's, and to me, this is the kind of fight that I hate that someone has to lose. If Manny comes out as the winner, and if he wins fairly, I will have no problem with it, and I will congratulate him.
And no, I won't know in my heart that Manny should be the champion "if" he wins.
They are fighting at 145, fine, I have no problem with that. Miguel feels he can make that weight comfortably, and I have to trust in his judgement, but Miguel is the one that holds the belt, and the title, and if Manny really wanted that title, then he, and his fans, should of had no problem with him fighting at the weight that the champion Cotto defends it at, which is 147.
That is all. ;) ;D
oooh sarcasm. OK well if I was a Cotto fan, and Cotto lost at 145 to PAC, I wouldn't feel quite so proud seeing Cotto still parading around with a 147 lb belt. Cause I don't think 2 lbs makes a big difference. But that's just me, obviously some Cotto fans feel differently.
Well I guess it's a good thing that you're not a Cotto fan then.
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Also you have to think, if you are ,Fighter A, the rightful mandatory to fight for the Welterweight strap, and that belt changes hands in a 145 clash between Fighter B and C,that could have gone another way if Fighter C came in at 147, should you be able to demand that your title shot with Fighter B be at 145 too. I would think so, and that is a problem because where does it end?
You're misunderstanding, its NOT the WBO who are sanctioning a 145 lb fight, its nothing to do with them. Their weight limit is 147 lbs and Cotto CAN weigh in at 147 if he wants to. He won't be breaking any contract with the WBO but just with Manny and his team.
The fight would still go ahead, he'd just have to pay Manny the agreed retribution money.
As for other fighters demanding a fight takes place at 145, they would have negotioate that with the other fighter seperately, its NOTHING to do with the WBO.
Ah, i see what your saying. Still, there are some issues. If there is an agreement outside of the WBO, it would probably be in the form of a contract, and in that contract the WBO Title would be mentioned, so the WBO is involved as it is their title that they are negotiating terms with. So, that said, if they both agree to 145 and the night of the weigh in one of them is 147, the WBO would have no problem. It would be an issue with the other contract. I dont know that the WBO is not involved in this agreement for sure though.
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Wow, it must be nice to be such an authority on Cotto fans. Did you go to school for that? :dontknow:
You know exactly what we are going to think. How did you do that? :rolleyes:
Look everyone, it's The Amazing Kreskin!! :bowdown:
Obviously I'm a Cotto fan, but I am also a fan of Manny's, and to me, this is the kind of fight that I hate that someone has to lose. If Manny comes out as the winner, and if he wins fairly, I will have no problem with it, and I will congratulate him.
And no, I won't know in my heart that Manny should be the champion "if" he wins.
They are fighting at 145, fine, I have no problem with that. Miguel feels he can make that weight comfortably, and I have to trust in his judgement, but Miguel is the one that holds the belt, and the title, and if Manny really wanted that title, then he, and his fans, should of had no problem with him fighting at the weight that the champion Cotto defends it at, which is 147.
That is all. ;) ;D
oooh sarcasm. OK well if I was a Cotto fan, and Cotto lost at 145 to PAC, I wouldn't feel quite so proud seeing Cotto still parading around with a 147 lb belt. Cause I don't think 2 lbs makes a big difference. But that's just me, obviously some Cotto fans feel differently.
Well I guess it's a good thing that you're not a Cotto fan then.
I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean, but I don't really care all that much. Anyways, it's got nothing to do with whether or not I'm a Cotto fan, I'd feel just the same about any boxer I was a fan of. What good is being champ when there's a guy walking around who can kick your ass? Where I come from that means something.
Personally, I don't like to see a champion fighting a non-title bout, unless he's moving up in weight.
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If future opponents agree to the catchweight then why the hell should anyone care? Nobody has to agree to that, it isn't like they have a gun to their head. It's not like he's Mayweather making small guys come up to him. Manny is still going up to the bigger guys even if it is a catchweight.
Sorry, but name me when Mayweather did this. The only possible name you could throw up is Ricky Hatton who chased the fight. The same Ricky Hatton who was already a world champ at 147. You simply can't name another 'small guy' who he's made come up to him.
Last I checked Marquez fought last at 135 and is coming up to 144 for the fight. That's making a small guy come to you.
back to the fact that Pacquiao is no different, last time i checked Oscar Larios was no featherweight and had just gotten stopped by Vazquez at super bantam
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Also you have to think, if you are ,Fighter A, the rightful mandatory to fight for the Welterweight strap, and that belt changes hands in a 145 clash between Fighter B and C,that could have gone another way if Fighter C came in at 147, should you be able to demand that your title shot with Fighter B be at 145 too. I would think so, and that is a problem because where does it end?
You're misunderstanding, its NOT the WBO who are sanctioning a 145 lb fight, its nothing to do with them. Their weight limit is 147 lbs and Cotto CAN weigh in at 147 if he wants to. He won't be breaking any contract with the WBO but just with Manny and his team.
The fight would still go ahead, he'd just have to pay Manny the agreed retribution money.
As for other fighters demanding a fight takes place at 145, they would have negotioate that with the other fighter seperately, its NOTHING to do with the WBO.
Ah, i see what your saying. Still, there are some issues. If there is an agreement outside of the WBO, it would probably be in the form of a contract,
and in that contract the WBO Title would be mentioned, so the WBO is involved as it is their title that they are negotiating terms with. So, that said, if they both agree to 145 and the night of the weigh in one of them is 147, the WBO would have no problem. It would be an issue with the other contract. I dont know that the WBO is not involved in this agreement for sure though.
Nope not at all, the WBO title clearly isn't in the contract as Cotto has seemingly elected not to pay the sanctioning fees thus he's clearly under no contract with Manny to defend that belt
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Sorry, but name me when Mayweather did this. The only possible name you could throw up is Ricky Hatton who chased the fight. The same Ricky Hatton who was already a world champ at 147. You simply can't name another 'small guy' who he's made come up to him.
Last I checked Marquez fought last at 135 and is coming up to 144 for the fight. That's making a small guy come to you.
back to the fact that Pacquiao is no different, last time i checked Oscar Larios was no featherweight and had just gotten stopped by Vazquez at super bantam
larios was the only one who had balls to fight pac in manila. Pac didnt care who he was going to fight that night, Larios got the chance got beat up and got paid the most in his career. Jmm is not the only guy who would love to fight floyd, look at the welterweight roster everybody there would fight floyd but floyd would rather fight a lightweight who hasnt even fought at junior welterweight.
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Last I checked Marquez fought last at 135 and is coming up to 144 for the fight. That's making a small guy come to you.
back to the fact that Pacquiao is no different, last time i checked Oscar Larios was no featherweight and had just gotten stopped by Vazquez at super bantam
larios was the only one who had balls to fight pac in manila. Pac didnt care who he was going to fight that night, Larios got the chance got beat up and got paid the most in his career. Jmm is not the only guy who would love to fight floyd, look at the welterweight roster everybody there would fight floyd but floyd would rather fight a lightweight who hasnt even fought at junior welterweight.
what are you talkin about Casamayor, Soto, JMM, Guzman, etc all were calling Pacquiao out, and why the hell did it have to be in Manila? neither one of the two were American so a fight in any of the 50 states would of been in neutral grounds, Pacquiao has never been an avoided fighter, so don't try to play that card
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Re: Cotto's welterweight belt is on the line!!!
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back to the fact that Pacquiao is no different, last time i checked Oscar Larios was no featherweight and had just gotten stopped by Vazquez at super bantam
larios was the only one who had balls to fight pac in manila. Pac didnt care who he was going to fight that night, Larios got the chance got beat up and got paid the most in his career. Jmm is not the only guy who would love to fight floyd, look at the welterweight roster everybody there would fight floyd but floyd would rather fight a lightweight who hasnt even fought at junior welterweight.
what are you talkin about Casamayor, Soto, JMM, Guzman, etc all were calling Pacquiao out, and why the hell did it have to be in Manila? neither one of the two were American so a fight in any of the 50 states would of been in neutral grounds, Pacquiao has never been an avoided fighter, so don't try to play that card
you once again prove your level of knowledge, at the time pac wanted a hometown fight and nobody step up so larious was the tune up. Besides JMM those other guys you named made very little effort to actually get in the ring with pac. Larious didnt care, he step up and fought pac nobody else would.
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Re: Cotto's welterweight belt is on the line!!!
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Julius Rain
larios was the only one who had balls to fight pac in manila. Pac didnt care who he was going to fight that night, Larios got the chance got beat up and got paid the most in his career. Jmm is not the only guy who would love to fight floyd, look at the welterweight roster everybody there would fight floyd but floyd would rather fight a lightweight who hasnt even fought at junior welterweight.
what are you talkin about Casamayor, Soto, JMM, Guzman, etc all were calling Pacquiao out, and why the hell did it have to be in Manila? neither one of the two were American so a fight in any of the 50 states would of been in neutral grounds, Pacquiao has never been an avoided fighter, so don't try to play that card
you once again prove your level of knowledge, at the time pac wanted a hometown fight and nobody step up so larious was the tune up. Besides JMM those other guys you named made very little effort to actually get in the ring with pac. Larious didnt care, he step up and fought pac nobody else would.
dude you're proving to be pretty whacked out cause Pacquiao was never avoided by anyone, he's no Winky Wright or Paul Williams, if he wanted a hometown fight he could have taken on a hometown bum, didn't have to call out a superbantamweight :rolleyes: quit tryin to sugar coat it, it's the same bullshit that Mayweather is doing with Marquez, only difference is that Mayweather is making the effort to go a bit down in weight
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Julius Rain
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ElTerribleMorales
what are you talkin about Casamayor, Soto, JMM, Guzman, etc all were calling Pacquiao out, and why the hell did it have to be in Manila? neither one of the two were American so a fight in any of the 50 states would of been in neutral grounds, Pacquiao has never been an avoided fighter, so don't try to play that card
you once again prove your level of knowledge, at the time pac wanted a hometown fight and nobody step up so larious was the tune up. Besides JMM those other guys you named made very little effort to actually get in the ring with pac. Larious didnt care, he step up and fought pac nobody else would.
dude you're proving to be pretty whacked out cause Pacquiao was never avoided by anyone, he's no Winky Wright or Paul Williams, if he wanted a hometown fight he could have taken on a hometown bum, didn't have to call out a superbantamweight :rolleyes: quit tryin to sugar coat it, it's the same bullshit that Mayweather is doing with Marquez, only difference is that Mayweather is making the effort to go a bit down in weight
your efforts to discredit pac in anyway is truly pathetic, it is a waste of time responding to you.
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ElTerribleMorales
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Julius Rain
you once again prove your level of knowledge, at the time pac wanted a hometown fight and nobody step up so larious was the tune up. Besides JMM those other guys you named made very little effort to actually get in the ring with pac. Larious didnt care, he step up and fought pac nobody else would.
dude you're proving to be pretty whacked out cause Pacquiao was never avoided by anyone, he's no Winky Wright or Paul Williams, if he wanted a hometown fight he could have taken on a hometown bum, didn't have to call out a superbantamweight :rolleyes: quit tryin to sugar coat it, it's the same bullshit that Mayweather is doing with Marquez, only difference is that Mayweather is making the effort to go a bit down in weight
your efforts to discredit pac in anyway is truly pathetic, it is a waste of time responding to you.
more like your efforts to make Pacquiao into a god is just sad and really needs to crawl back into some Pacquiao Forum
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Re: Cotto's welterweight belt is on the line!!!
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Cotto is being screwed in so "Manny" ways:
1. Manny gets the 65-35 split.
2. Cotto's belt is on the line, even though he has to fight at a catch weight.
3. Cotto was basically extorted by Arum (We will give you the fight against Manny if you sign with us for two more years).
4. Manny even wanted the fight a month earlier, which would not have given Cotto the proper time to heal his cut.
Manny has proven a lot in boxing and deservedly so, but I am beginning to hate his attitude and opinion of himself and his nerve. I hope (and believe) that all of this will motivate Cotto to put a beat down on Manny.
Manny deserves much more money as he's the P4P number 1 guy and a much bigger draw. Cotto even at 35 percent is making a big payday, I'm sure his biggest clearly. I don't know about being extorted by Arum but if so him wanting the fight that bad is a sign he's not that unhappy with the split. There is nothing wrong with 65-35.
I don't really like the belt being on the line for a 145 fight. I don't really care as I don't care that much about belts in general but I can see how people would be upset about it.
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Who cares if Cotto's paper title is on the line. It is completely worthless.(on what planet are you declared a champion by beating Michael Jennings). The fight is good as it is, without the corrupt, cancerous alphabet gangs getting their dirty fingers in it.
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Re: Cotto's welterweight belt is on the line!!!
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ElTerribleMorales
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Julius Rain
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ElTerribleMorales
what are you talkin about Casamayor, Soto, JMM, Guzman, etc all were calling Pacquiao out, and why the hell did it have to be in Manila? neither one of the two were American so a fight in any of the 50 states would of been in neutral grounds, Pacquiao has never been an avoided fighter, so don't try to play that card
you once again prove your level of knowledge, at the time pac wanted a hometown fight and nobody step up so larious was the tune up. Besides JMM those other guys you named made very little effort to actually get in the ring with pac. Larious didnt care, he step up and fought pac nobody else would.
dude you're proving to be pretty whacked out cause Pacquiao was never avoided by anyone, he's no Winky Wright or Paul Williams,
if he wanted a hometown fight he could have taken on a hometown bum, didn't have to call out a superbantamweight :rolleyes: quit tryin to sugar coat it, it's the same bullshit that Mayweather is doing with Marquez, only difference is that Mayweather is making the effort to go a bit down in weight
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