Cotto's welterweight belt is on the line!!!

[ClubberLang]

Right but in this case because contracts are signed the Welterweight limit is between 140 and 145 is that correct? BY DEFINITION because they are not adhering to the welterweight limits it is a CATCHWEIGHT fight.

It's both a catchweight fight AND a welterweight fight. It falls within the welterweight limit with the maximum weight allowed moved down two pounds. But it still qualifies as a welterweight fight because it's below 147 and above 140. And remember, Cotto weighed 146 against Clottey so I really don't see one more pound as a big deal. Cotto agreed to it and has made clear he doesn't see it as an issue, so I don't know why anyone else should.

Sorry man that statement doesn't make sense.

It makes perfect sense. The 147 limit is NOT the only thing that makes it a welterweight fight. If it is below 147 and above 140, then it is a welterweight bout by definition. But it is also a catchweight fight because the two sides agreed to move the limit down to 145. But 145 falls between 147 and 140, so it is still a welterweight fight also. Makes perfect sense.

[killersheep]

It's both a catchweight fight AND a welterweight fight. It falls within the welterweight limit with the maximum weight allowed moved down two pounds. But it still qualifies as a welterweight fight because it's below 147 and above 140. And remember, Cotto weighed 146 against Clottey so I really don't see one more pound as a big deal. Cotto agreed to it and has made clear he doesn't see it as an issue, so I don't know why anyone else should.

Sorry man that statement doesn't make sense.

It makes perfect sense. The 147 limit is NOT the only thing that makes it a welterweight fight. If it is below 147 and above 140, then it is a welterweight bout by definition. But it is also a catchweight fight because the two sides agreed to move the limit down to 145. But 145 falls between 147 and 140, so it is still a welterweight fight also. Makes perfect sense.

No it doesn't, it is a Catchweight fight, it is not a Welterweight Catchweight fight. A catchweight fight is a negotiated weight limit BETWEEN two weight classes. Otherwise there would be no reason to mention the catchweight at all, they always fall within a weight class.

[ClubberLang]

Sorry man that statement doesn't make sense.

It makes perfect sense. The 147 limit is NOT the only thing that makes it a welterweight fight. If it is below 147 and above 140, then it is a welterweight bout by definition. But it is also a catchweight fight because the two sides agreed to move the limit down to 145. But 145 falls between 147 and 140, so it is still a welterweight fight also. Makes perfect sense.

No it doesn't, it is a Catchweight fight, it is not a Welterweight Catchweight fight. A catchweight fight is a negotiated weight limit BETWEEN two weight classes. Otherwise there would be no reason to mention the catchweight at all, they always fall within a weight class.

If it's between 140 and 147, then it's a welterweight fight. That's what a welterweight fight is. 145 is between those weights, so it's a welterweight fight. It's not "BETWEEN" two weight classes, it falls directly within the welterweight area.

[killersheep]

It makes perfect sense. The 147 limit is NOT the only thing that makes it a welterweight fight. If it is below 147 and above 140, then it is a welterweight bout by definition. But it is also a catchweight fight because the two sides agreed to move the limit down to 145. But 145 falls between 147 and 140, so it is still a welterweight fight also. Makes perfect sense.

No it doesn't, it is a Catchweight fight, it is not a Welterweight Catchweight fight. A catchweight fight is a negotiated weight limit BETWEEN two weight classes. Otherwise there would be no reason to mention the catchweight at all, they always fall within a weight class.

If it's between 140 and 147, then it's a welterweight fight. That's what a welterweight fight is. 145 is between those weights, so it's a welterweight fight.

So in your opinion there are no catchweights?

[ClubberLang]

No it doesn't, it is a Catchweight fight, it is not a Welterweight Catchweight fight. A catchweight fight is a negotiated weight limit BETWEEN two weight classes. Otherwise there would be no reason to mention the catchweight at all, they always fall within a weight class.

If it's between 140 and 147, then it's a welterweight fight. That's what a welterweight fight is. 145 is between those weights, so it's a welterweight fight.

So in your opinion there are no catchweights?

Sure, but a catchweight simply means that the normal limit for a weight class is moved down. But the limit of a weight is NOT what makes it a fight in a particular weight class. The weight class can be any weight between one weight and another. 170 for instance is a light heavy fight because it is above 168 but below 175. I don't see why this is so difficult to understand.

[killersheep]

If it's between 140 and 147, then it's a welterweight fight. That's what a welterweight fight is. 145 is between those weights, so it's a welterweight fight.

So in your opinion there are no catchweights?

Sure, but a catchweight simply means that the normal limit for a weight class is moved down. But the limit of a weight is NOT what makes it a fight in a particular weight class. The weight class can be any weight between one weight and another. 170 for instance is a light heavy fight because it is above 168 but below 175. I don't see why this is so difficult to understand.

Maybe, I'm not making my case clear enough.

The limits of the weight class are precisely what makes a fight in a particular weight class. In this case 141 at the low end and 147 at the high end is defined by ALL institutions of professional boxing to define the Welterweight class. Should boxers choose to come in at 142, 146 whatever they are fighting within the RECOGNIZED weight class limits.
Now, the term catchweight comes into play when the official recognized limits of weightclasses are moved and therefore by definition cease to adhere to the established limits of a weightclass.

This is a catchweight fight.

I have to go to a movie now, we can continue later.

[C-Lo]

Good so you agree that Cotto can come in at 147.

You guys bitching and moaning about the weight and split can save it. No one forced Cotto to take the fight. He has a team of negotiators who settled on those terms with the Paquiao camp. If Cotto and his team are satisfied with the terms, then there's no reason anyone else should care. 145 is a welterweight fight by definition, period. It's perfectly legitimate for the belt to be at stake and Cotto doesn't have a problem with it.

But Manny has issues with fighting at 147 which automatically devalues this fight. No matter who wins IMO.

This is not for the WW crown whatsoever, despite what we are being fed here. Manny is too chicken to fight for that kind of thing.

Really Miles? I know you have some heavy dislike for the Pacquiao/Roach camp but to call Manny a chicken is a stretch. He already fought Barrera, Morales, and Marquez multiple times!! Then he moved up in weight and was considered the smaller man against Diaz, De La Hoya, Hatton, and now Cotto. Who else is willing to fight these types of fighters and scale as many weights?!

I don't get how people are complaining about P4P fighters matching up with each other. Pac is going up 5 pounds from his last fight and Cotto just needs to lose 1.

But! I don't think the title should be on the line if the limit isn't 147 IMO.

[Diane]

Good!!

It's not on the line.


Pacquiao-Cotto: No WBO Title at Stake, Says Arum - Boxing News

[generalbulldog]

Good!!

It's not on the line.


Pacquiao-Cotto: No WBO Title at Stake, Says Arum - Boxing News

There you have it. So now the people can go back to b-itching about the catchweight instead.