Cotto's welterweight belt is on the line!!!

[killersheep]

The weight limit is NOT what makes this a welterweight fight. It is a welterweight fight because it is a fight over 140 and below 147. That is the definition of a welterweight fight. Period. That means the belt being at stake is perfectly legit. And, yeah, Pac may not defend it but it is a big deal because if he wins he's the first 7 division champion.

Right but in this case because contracts are signed the Welterweight limit is between 140 and 145 is that correct? BY DEFINITION because they are not adhering to the welterweight limits it is a CATCHWEIGHT fight.

It's both a catchweight fight AND a welterweight fight. It falls within the welterweight limit with the maximum weight allowed moved down two pounds. But it still qualifies as a welterweight fight because it's below 147 and above 140. And remember, Cotto weighed 146 against Clottey so I really don't see one more pound as a big deal. Cotto agreed to it and has made clear he doesn't see it as an issue, so I don't know why anyone else should.

Sorry man that statement doesn't make sense.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Right but in this case because contracts are signed the Welterweight limit is between 140 and 145 is that correct? BY DEFINITION because they are not adhering to the welterweight limits it is a CATCHWEIGHT fight.

It's both a catchweight fight AND a welterweight fight. It falls within the welterweight limit with the maximum weight allowed moved down two pounds. But it still qualifies as a welterweight fight because it's below 147 and above 140. And remember, Cotto weighed 146 against Clottey so I really don't see one more pound as a big deal. Cotto agreed to it and has made clear he doesn't see it as an issue, so I don't know why anyone else should.

Sorry man that statement doesn't make sense.

it does when you smoke crack and have a man crush on Pacquiao, backing up the contract crap so much, don't get why Haye and his fans bitched so much about Klitschko's demands, nobody put a gun to Hayes head either
just cause it's in the contract doesn't make it right

[ClubberLang]

It's both a catchweight fight AND a welterweight fight. It falls within the welterweight limit with the maximum weight allowed moved down two pounds. But it still qualifies as a welterweight fight because it's below 147 and above 140. And remember, Cotto weighed 146 against Clottey so I really don't see one more pound as a big deal. Cotto agreed to it and has made clear he doesn't see it as an issue, so I don't know why anyone else should.

Sorry man that statement doesn't make sense.

it does when you smoke crack and have a man crush on Pacquiao, backing up the contract crap so much, don't get why Haye and his fans bitched so much about Klitschko's demands, nobody put a gun to Hayes head either
just cause it's in the contract doesn't make it right

You're acting like Manny is a king on the throne forcing the peasant Cotto to do his bidding. Cotto could have told Manny to stuff it, but he doesn't care about the weight. So, yes, it IS right.

And as far as my statement about it being a catchweight and a welterweight fight, it DOES make perfect since if you have the ability to think. Between 140 and 147 is welterweight. 145 falls in that area, therefore it's a welterweight fight. But the limit was moved down two pounds, so it's also a catchweight. It ain't rocket science, some of you will just complain about anything.

Oh, and I wouldn't even say I am a huge Manny fan. Paul Williams is my favorite active fighter and Manny is well down the list, though I do like him. I also like Cotto. I am pulling for Manny just because I would like to see history made, but I will be happy for Cotto if he wins.

[ClubberLang]

Right but in this case because contracts are signed the Welterweight limit is between 140 and 145 is that correct? BY DEFINITION because they are not adhering to the welterweight limits it is a CATCHWEIGHT fight.

It's both a catchweight fight AND a welterweight fight. It falls within the welterweight limit with the maximum weight allowed moved down two pounds. But it still qualifies as a welterweight fight because it's below 147 and above 140. And remember, Cotto weighed 146 against Clottey so I really don't see one more pound as a big deal. Cotto agreed to it and has made clear he doesn't see it as an issue, so I don't know why anyone else should.

Sorry man that statement doesn't make sense.

It makes perfect sense. The 147 limit is NOT the only thing that makes it a welterweight fight. If it is below 147 and above 140, then it is a welterweight bout by definition. But it is also a catchweight fight because the two sides agreed to move the limit down to 145. But 145 falls between 147 and 140, so it is still a welterweight fight also. Makes perfect sense.

[killersheep]

It's both a catchweight fight AND a welterweight fight. It falls within the welterweight limit with the maximum weight allowed moved down two pounds. But it still qualifies as a welterweight fight because it's below 147 and above 140. And remember, Cotto weighed 146 against Clottey so I really don't see one more pound as a big deal. Cotto agreed to it and has made clear he doesn't see it as an issue, so I don't know why anyone else should.

Sorry man that statement doesn't make sense.

It makes perfect sense. The 147 limit is NOT the only thing that makes it a welterweight fight. If it is below 147 and above 140, then it is a welterweight bout by definition. But it is also a catchweight fight because the two sides agreed to move the limit down to 145. But 145 falls between 147 and 140, so it is still a welterweight fight also. Makes perfect sense.

No it doesn't, it is a Catchweight fight, it is not a Welterweight Catchweight fight. A catchweight fight is a negotiated weight limit BETWEEN two weight classes. Otherwise there would be no reason to mention the catchweight at all, they always fall within a weight class.

[ClubberLang]

Sorry man that statement doesn't make sense.

It makes perfect sense. The 147 limit is NOT the only thing that makes it a welterweight fight. If it is below 147 and above 140, then it is a welterweight bout by definition. But it is also a catchweight fight because the two sides agreed to move the limit down to 145. But 145 falls between 147 and 140, so it is still a welterweight fight also. Makes perfect sense.

No it doesn't, it is a Catchweight fight, it is not a Welterweight Catchweight fight. A catchweight fight is a negotiated weight limit BETWEEN two weight classes. Otherwise there would be no reason to mention the catchweight at all, they always fall within a weight class.

If it's between 140 and 147, then it's a welterweight fight. That's what a welterweight fight is. 145 is between those weights, so it's a welterweight fight. It's not "BETWEEN" two weight classes, it falls directly within the welterweight area.

[killersheep]

It makes perfect sense. The 147 limit is NOT the only thing that makes it a welterweight fight. If it is below 147 and above 140, then it is a welterweight bout by definition. But it is also a catchweight fight because the two sides agreed to move the limit down to 145. But 145 falls between 147 and 140, so it is still a welterweight fight also. Makes perfect sense.

No it doesn't, it is a Catchweight fight, it is not a Welterweight Catchweight fight. A catchweight fight is a negotiated weight limit BETWEEN two weight classes. Otherwise there would be no reason to mention the catchweight at all, they always fall within a weight class.

If it's between 140 and 147, then it's a welterweight fight. That's what a welterweight fight is. 145 is between those weights, so it's a welterweight fight.

So in your opinion there are no catchweights?

[ClubberLang]

No it doesn't, it is a Catchweight fight, it is not a Welterweight Catchweight fight. A catchweight fight is a negotiated weight limit BETWEEN two weight classes. Otherwise there would be no reason to mention the catchweight at all, they always fall within a weight class.

If it's between 140 and 147, then it's a welterweight fight. That's what a welterweight fight is. 145 is between those weights, so it's a welterweight fight.

So in your opinion there are no catchweights?

Sure, but a catchweight simply means that the normal limit for a weight class is moved down. But the limit of a weight is NOT what makes it a fight in a particular weight class. The weight class can be any weight between one weight and another. 170 for instance is a light heavy fight because it is above 168 but below 175. I don't see why this is so difficult to understand.

[killersheep]

If it's between 140 and 147, then it's a welterweight fight. That's what a welterweight fight is. 145 is between those weights, so it's a welterweight fight.

So in your opinion there are no catchweights?

Sure, but a catchweight simply means that the normal limit for a weight class is moved down. But the limit of a weight is NOT what makes it a fight in a particular weight class. The weight class can be any weight between one weight and another. 170 for instance is a light heavy fight because it is above 168 but below 175. I don't see why this is so difficult to understand.

Maybe, I'm not making my case clear enough.

The limits of the weight class are precisely what makes a fight in a particular weight class. In this case 141 at the low end and 147 at the high end is defined by ALL institutions of professional boxing to define the Welterweight class. Should boxers choose to come in at 142, 146 whatever they are fighting within the RECOGNIZED weight class limits.
Now, the term catchweight comes into play when the official recognized limits of weightclasses are moved and therefore by definition cease to adhere to the established limits of a weightclass.

This is a catchweight fight.

I have to go to a movie now, we can continue later.

[Diane]

Good!!

It's not on the line.


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