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Agreed that was one thing I noticed myself, the footwork was impressive as hell, not too mention his stamina maintained itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
What I liked even more was Vitali showed he can fight while on the move...That is something we don't see in the HW division often
brave but should not of blubbed:eek:
Pay attention to the shit that means something and not the crying....if Michael Jordan can cry after winning a Championship then Arreola can cry after losing, give it a fucking rest already.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJIG1FoVfbk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4YQfqPPWts
I agree, but people looking at the punch stats only shouldn't think he looked like Juan Diaz in thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle....well I think Arreola had enough of them to stop the fightQuote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
If anyone looked like Juan Diaz it was Arreola (he was a little tubby still).
These are heavyweights, everyone knows the Klitschko's like using punches not always for effect but for strategy, for guys to move their guard around, and that's what it was. A couple left hooks, a couple uppercuts, a couple pawing jabs, or I haven't even figured out the term, but after Vitali has thrown a right cross and he punches again really quickly but with less power....whatever that is, he landed a lot of those too
Why are people ripping Arreola for crying? It's not like he broke down in the middle of the fucking fight and quit or something. He fought a tough fight, showed a ton of heart, and was justifiably upset when he was defeated. I don't see what the problem is.
Don't you understand???!!! He cried!!! What a baby!! So what if he'd likely dreamed of that moment since he was a child only for it to disappear... he's not a real man, not like the REAL men on this board who just in case you don't know, DON'T CRY. It's not like he showed any heart absorbing 300 punches from 250+lbs of pure muscle. He cried & he quit. I'll guarantee you none of the hard men who mock him would of done either. They're REAL MEN.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
It's one of those great things about boxing forums. They seem to be a magnet for men who are a mix of Arturo Gattiesque boxing heart, a Charles Bronson like emotional state & generally have the courage of your average SAS commando.
He did not quit....Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinDon't you understand???!!! He cried!!! What a baby!! So what if he'd likely dreamed of that moment since he was a child only for it to disappear... he's not a real man, not like the REAL men on this board who just in case you don't know, DON'T CRY. It's not like he showed any heart absorbing 300 punches from 250+lbs of pure muscle. He cried & he quit. I'll guarantee you none of the hard men who mock him would of done either. They're REAL MEN.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
It's one of those great things about boxing forums. They seem to be a magnet for men who are a mix of Arturo Gattiesque boxing heart, a Charles Bronson like emotional state & generally have the courage of your average SAS commando.
That interview was something,thanks Lyle.Chris may mostly come off easy going,care free but this is eating him up.He seems a very tightly wound guy at times.Dude is all emotion,fighting ,interviews,whatever.Alot of guys mock some fighters for breaking down....myself included with Cintron,Ishe Smith....but really have no idea what runs through a guys head when the bright lights are all over the place and some knob is shoving a microphone in your bruised and battered face with the masses looking at ya.Some guys go out meek and maybe its easier to joke them but at the same time its that raw 24/7 emotion shown by other fighters like Arreola that makes us fans....Nigel Benn cried also and he's one of my top 3 all time favorites!?
Maybe I should have used one of these smileys :rolleyes:, although I thought the last paragraph & my general attitude throughout showed my attitude to whether he quit :rolleyes: (just for you Daxx)Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnHe did not quit....Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinDon't you understand???!!! He cried!!! What a baby!! So what if he'd likely dreamed of that moment since he was a child only for it to disappear... he's not a real man, not like the REAL men on this board who just in case you don't know, DON'T CRY. It's not like he showed any heart absorbing 300 punches from 250+lbs of pure muscle. He cried & he quit. I'll guarantee you none of the hard men who mock him would of done either. They're REAL MEN.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
It's one of those great things about boxing forums. They seem to be a magnet for men who are a mix of Arturo Gattiesque boxing heart, a Charles Bronson like emotional state & generally have the courage of your average SAS commando.
In fairness to Cris Arreola, it is a very powerful thing. The range of emotions one goes through preparing for a fight is quite extreme. Not even including all the training.
You start your fight day off often with butterflies. Then get adrenaline rushes. Feel you can't lose. Then fear creeps in on you as the fighting hour approaches and you just want to run! Then the adrenaline again...over and over. And this range of extreme emotions continues, and cycles right up until the ref signals and the first punch is thrown.
I fought the same night as the Mayweather fight, and experienced all of that. I was on the winning side, and experienced the greatest feeling of happiness I've ever known, same one I feel any time I win. Gotta be better then any drug, ever.
But on the other side there is often a competitor who worked equally hard to get there, who went through all those same emotions before that first punch was swung. And they weren't so fortunate. Probably half of the fighters who lost on our card that night had tears in their eyes. Many were deeply sad, if even just briefly. If they weren't, then they probably weren't true competitors, warriors, or maybe snuck off somewhere else to do it, or are better at masking it.
I harped a bit about Arreola's tears, because I didn't think he worked hard enough in prep for that level of competition. Not for the emotion. And I regret it, and apologize for it. Who am I to judge how he prepares himself. And I certainly won't harp on him for his tears of disappointment. It's a powerful thing, stepping through the ropes. It can buckle the strongest of peoples wills.
So yea. Unless you have worn their shoes and walked the same path as they, it is probably best not to judge.
I think the general public expects fighters to be like thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
devoid of emotion etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHQjuk2jb08
Arreola was a champions heart.
He just didn't have the hand speed or experience.
Very gutsy effort.
And smart strategy by Vitali...much as I can't stand the retarded giraffe looking fucker.
Props for looking disgustingly fat for the fight of his life? He may beat Klitchko in a Nathans Hotdog eating contest but not a boxing match!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Arreola fought his heart out though, that's the point here. There is no way you can say he didn't give his utmost effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxingProps for looking disgustingly fat for the fight of his life? He may beat Klitchko in a Nathans Hotdog eating contest but not a boxing match!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
He was actually quite slim considering past fights and past pictures of him weighing 290 or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing
Even if he was a little flabby he had decent stamina, it was the first time he has ever gone past the 8th round and he did it vs Vitali Klitschko, that ain't easy.
Good Post Lyle.
Arreola is a tough, tough hombre and he showed it on Saturday night. I was impressed that Arreola never went down. Klitschko was just too much for him. Arreola needs to learn from this loss and use it as a stepping stool for his career. He has good days in front of him if he dedicates himself to his craft. He is a proven top tier heavyweight.
I completely agree. That is an exciting fight in the heavyweight division. Hopefully, despite his losing effort, Arreola made more fans on Saturday night.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnI would like to see Haye Vs Arreola myself, I pick Chris to win by KO.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelSame here Daxx, I'm sure he has earned a lot of fans from his effort last night. I hope he fights Haye in the near future (should he dispose of the hairy one), perfect match up in my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
As good as a performance as you will get from someone with arreloa`s limited talent.
Genuinely gave it his absoloute all and you just couldnt help but feel sorry for him in the end as he genuinely had just hit a dead end and couldnt find a way past vitalis left jab.
Didnt like the interview at the end as even in the heat of the moment its very unprofessional. But all in all arreola earned a lot of fans from saturday night and i for one would now happily go out of my way to see him fight again!!
I guess British Boxers don't cry
Arreola needs to add boxing skills big time. He is tough and can take punishment. But he needs to get tough in the skill game.
Cris needs to study the style of short and successful fighters like Tyson and Joe Frazier. They had what Cris need to learn and do if he wants to have any success in this sport. They had bobbing and weaving, side to side head movement, and they mastered the hook to the body and left and right hook to the head. Cris did none of that against Vitaly, he does not have that arsenal, he needs to learns them fast.
Get a new trainer to teach those skills, Cris. You boyhood friend is not a top level trainer. Get the trainers that trained Tyson or know the style of Frazier.
Tyson and Frazier would have KO'd Klitschko in less than 5 rounds.
Arreola is 6'4...why would he ever want to fight like Mike Tyson who was 5'10???
If beating either Klitschko was easy then someone would have done it by now. It's not easy, infact it's downright difficult which is why they are dominating the division and everyone they fight is getting the shit beaten out of them.
When people start bringing up all-time greats like Joe Frazier (who stylistically doesn't match up well vs either brother) and saying "____ could have had Klitschko out of there in 5" it shows the forum that either we have a hater or at least someone who doesn't respect the skill of the Klitschko's. Did Joe Frazier ever fight anyone as big AND athletic as Wlad or Vitali??? NO and he damn sure didn't fight anyone that big who could box that well. Ali was athletic, but he was at least 3 inches shorter than Vitali....and if Frazier traded 3 punches taken for 1 punch landed vs either Klitschko Smokin Joe would get smoked.
Right now The Klitschko's are the best we have and that DOES mean something, people said the same bullcrap about Lennox Lewis when he was champion. All I can tell you is get used to the Klitschko's being at the top, Wlad is only 33, he's got a ways to go before he retires, Vitali may have 3-4 fights or so before hanging up the gloves.
Fro What I saw of this fight on streams on the internet he looked totally outclassed but full of heart. If he could drop 15-20lbs of flab and come back faster I see him making serious noise in the division but not until, as for Peter, he would get KO'd if he fought Arreola IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by Lyle
everyone crys, some far less than others
But blubbering ive honestly only ever seen from the likes of bruno, mccall and look how those 2 ended up outside the ring!!
McCall was American & had major issues. Bruno had severe mental health problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
everyone crys, some far less than others
But blubbering ive honestly only ever seen from the likes of bruno, mccall and look how those 2 ended up outside the ring!!
Anyway I seem to recall you saying that you had a cry after the Hatton-Pacquiao fight. At least Arreola was actually involved in the fight to cry about missing out on the title he's dreamed about his whole life.
Man this is fucking sad how can anyone give hime crap for crying. My god the man showed he was human and went for broke trying to win. Seem tough enough to me taking a beating for Vitali for 10 rounds. Shit all i can is that it was refreshing to see someone with passion in the ring. I mean everyone that fights the Klitschos kinda just roll over it seems.
He did nothing other than get hit in the head.
Not necessarily. Getting in shape is easy when you're training 3 hours per day. Why have the majority of the other heavyweights not managed it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
That's a fight I'd definitely want to seeQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Arreola was in good condition, he just didn't looked "ripped" he looked "rippled" but that's the first ever time he went past 8 rounds and he did it with Vitali Klitschko who by the way threw more punches in 10 rounds than Floyd Mayweather Jr. threw in 12.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
"Effort includes preparing for the fight , he cheated himself !!!"Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepArreola fought his heart out though, that's the point here. There is no way you can say he didn't give his utmost effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxingProps for looking disgustingly fat for the fight of his life? He may beat Klitchko in a Nathans Hotdog eating contest but not a boxing match!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Just an FYI: do you know that the Klitschko v. Arreola fight was HBO's highest-rated boxing match of the year, 2.124 million viewers. “Fighting Words” – Fernando Guerrero: Big Draw in a Small City - Boxing News .