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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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Tysonbruno
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Tysonbruno
Andre deserves an oscar he was acting he held the side of his face before he went over and he wouldn't let the black doctor look at his eyes and the doctor tried on numerous occasions Andre knew if the doc saw his eyes he would know he was acting. I know a lot of you guys will think Andre was genuinly ko'd but its all a bit funny to me even when he was interviewed he said ive been knocked out then someone said no you won then he said yes he hit me while i was down no one told him this though they just said you won. Then they got him out of the ring before he could be interviewed again now im sorry but Andre needs to find a heart he ran like a terrified child against Froch and then gets out of a fight in this way in my opinion he was going to get ko'd as Arthur was catching up with him.
Dude seriously, he wasn't even coherent he was asking for a speakerman and was clearly gone.
People saying that the doctor looking in his eyes would know if he was acting or not.
First, he wasn't acting. Second, Abraham was already DQ'd so what would the point have been?
Tell me what the point would have been in acting since Abraham was already DQ'd? He violated the rule when he hit Dirrell viciously when he was down. Nothing Dirrell did was gonna make the ref NOT DQ Abraham already, and he deserved it.
You think if the doctor looked in his eyes and said "he is acting he isnt that hurt" that they'd have changed the rules of boxing to unDQ Abraham? Stop reaching.
He got dq'd from the point Andre fell to the side and lay under the rope but im not arguing the dq just the obvious acting from Dirrell i can't understand why any fight fan would defend him
I cant understand why anyone would defend someone who hits while the other fighter is down. That is what you are doing. By drawing attention to the so called acting, you are drawing attention away from the real issue which is Abraham punching Dirrell on the ground. That is THE issue.
Dirrell couldnt act if Abraham hadn't handed Dirrell the script
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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Tysonbruno
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ninjaspy3
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Tysonbruno
Andre deserves an oscar he was acting he held the side of his face before he went over and he wouldn't let the black doctor look at his eyes and the doctor tried on numerous occasions Andre knew if the doc saw his eyes he would know he was acting. I know a lot of you guys will think Andre was genuinly ko'd but its all a bit funny to me even when he was interviewed he said ive been knocked out then someone said no you won then he said yes he hit me while i was down no one told him this though they just said you won. Then they got him out of the ring before he could be interviewed again now im sorry but Andre needs to find a heart he ran like a terrified child against Froch and then gets out of a fight in this way in my opinion he was going to get ko'd as Arthur was catching up with him.
Blame Abraham.
Simple rule actually. If they are on the ground, don't hit them.
Then you don't get DQ'd :p
Many fighter has hit a fighter while been on one knee and so on and not been dq'd but im not arguing the dq as such its the Dirrell acting it was so obvious he blinked his eye then held his eye then falls over unconcious come on??? then won't let the black doctor look in his eyes and the doc tried loads of times then crying and so on he knew Arthur was catching up to him and found a way out also he had been punched for 11 rounds yet he kept hold the side of his head where this one punch had landed it was all to much he over acted if anything.
He got hit with CLEAN shot he was unprepared. A grown man hitting you flush in face NEVER tickles, I PROMISE you it NEVER tickles. You see the problem is that TV santises boxing. Ask a friend of yours to let him take a clean shot at you then come back and talk to me and if you survive that, fight with someone for half an hour, a real intense fight, then get down one knee and ask him to take clean shot at you, and this clean shot is made worse by the fact that the person giving you the shot is world champion boxer with a big punch.
Abraham is just another punk arse Golota.
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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ono
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Tysonbruno
Many fighter has hit a fighter while been on one knee and so on and not been dq'd but im not arguing the dq as such its the Dirrell acting it was so obvious he blinked his eye then held his eye then falls over unconcious come on??? then won't let the black doctor look in his eyes and the doc tried loads of times then crying and so on he knew Arthur was catching up to him and found a way out also he had been punched for 11 rounds yet he kept hold the side of his head where this one punch had landed it was all to much he over acted if anything.
I honestly can't understand people defending him. Clear acting.
and you're defending Abraham's blatant flgarant foul? rofl.
And you're making useless assumptions. ROFLMAAAAAOOOO!!!!ONE11!!!
I've already said he shouldn't have done it. Still doesn't excuse Dirrell's Oscar winning performance though.
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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The two best boxers of the tournament are Dirrell and Ward and both in my mind are undefeated, as Dirrell beat Froch in my opinion. Abraham is a just stand up, unathletic classic european fighter who was always gonna be exposed by more athletic fighter who with good combo's and speed two match. It's funny really Dirrell and Ward were considered thw two weakest fighters before the super 6 started but even at this early stage they are looking like the two best.
I dont think Dirrels looking like the best. He was owned by Carl Froch and he was knocked cold last night. As for Ward he headbutted his way to a win over Kessler and if he tarvelled he'd lose but he has home advantage in every fight so its being fixed for him to win it.
Dirrell was owned by Froch ? Froch won on hometown split decision. Listen I'm based in the UK and I listened to the fight on UK radio station and
EVEN THEIR commentators made Dirrell the clear winner. As for Abraham knocking out Dirrell, only his mother would say something like that because any impartial observer would realise that hitting some when they are down on one knee is not what I call getting knocked out. And trust me, Abraham will lose to Ward and Green too. He may well win a *You Hit Me - I Hit You* slug-fest against Froch but he will
NEVER become a top fighter. It's one thing, fighting handpicked fighters in your home country in Germany, but taken your thing on the road is another story and as I've said before I don't think Dirrell is great fighter.
I just think as Floyd Mayweather says "Skills pays the bills" and that will be shown even if they fought again. Abraham just marches forward, no head movement, no feints, no dropping of the shoulder, no nothing. He's an MMA fighter where skill is not so much required, In fact Abraham would make a great MMA fighter, but he will
NEVER EVER be a top, top boxer because he just hasn't got the skills.
He already is a top fighter. He would have won last night too if Direll hadnt taken the cowards way out. Froch has beaten Direl fairly but both decisions in the US so far have been dodgy.
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game, r u freaking insane....
dude was already dq'd. his so called acting did not matter. So the acting argument falls apart. Second, AA was not going to win that fight. He was not landing any clean shots. All Dirrell had to do was dance the last two rounds.
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
It was the wrong decision and margarito was ripped off when they made him take the plaster out of his gloves too. Geeeezusss. Everyone should be pissed and what abraham did. Not only did he cheat he ripped us off of the end of a pretty decent fight. If he didn't throw the punch direll couldn't have acted or done any of what he being accused of. Abraham opened the door to allow direll to do whatever he wanted to do and act however he wanted to act. The fight was over soon as that illegal punk punch was thrown. What happened after that doesn't matter. But what happend before that does, and he stomping abrahams ass for every round before hand. People focus and anger is directed at the wrong guy
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
Abraham should have got the KO. Dirrel was getting worn down and went down like Bambi on ice. And then instead of defending himself at all times he looked away. It's like he was asking to get knocked out. I think he knew what was coming and just wanted to get it over with.
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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Kirkland Laing
Abraham should have got the KO. Dirrel was getting worn down and went down like Bambi on ice. And then instead of defending himself at all times he looked away. It's like he was asking to get knocked out. I think he knew what was coming and just wanted to get it over with.
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could you be more of a fan boy?!?
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
Forum stupidity has risen to unacceptable levels. Good on you for leading the charge Game, always knew you had it in you :p.
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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Forum stupidity has risen to unacceptable levels. Good on you for leading the charge Game, always knew you had it in you :p.
Yeah, it is the usual suspects talking complete shit. It's amazing the number of keyboard warriors calling Dirrell a pussy, when they wouldn't last a minute in the ring with his grandad, let alone him.
Oh & if Dirrell was acting, he must Robert DeNiro's son because he's phenomenal. I mean seriously anyone who thinks he was acting is just out to lunch as far as I'm concerned or they're still too caught up in trying to find a victory for their man.
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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CFH
Forum stupidity has risen to unacceptable levels. Good on you for leading the charge Game, always knew you had it in you :p.
Yeah, it is the usual suspects talking complete shit. It's amazing the number of keyboard warriors calling Dirrell a pussy, when they wouldn't last a minute in the ring with his grandad, let alone him.
Oh & if Dirrell was acting, he must Robert DeNiro's son because he's phenomenal. I mean seriously anyone who thinks he was acting is just out to lunch as far as I'm concerned or they're still too caught up in trying to find a victory for their man.
I've yet to see any of the idiots give one single logical reason why Dirrell would feign a seizure and delusion to get out of a fight he was clearly winning. All of a sudden all these morons are experts on head injuries too :rolleyes:.
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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JazMerkin
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CFH
Forum stupidity has risen to unacceptable levels. Good on you for leading the charge Game, always knew you had it in you :p.
Yeah, it is the usual suspects talking complete shit. It's amazing the number of keyboard warriors calling Dirrell a pussy, when they wouldn't last a minute in the ring with his grandad, let alone him.
Oh & if Dirrell was acting, he must Robert DeNiro's son because he's phenomenal. I mean seriously anyone who thinks he was acting is just out to lunch as far as I'm concerned or they're still too caught up in trying to find a victory for their man.
exactly, the way he made his eyes roll back were 2 thumbs up, it's ridiculous how far some people will go to try and make their fighter the victim, Abraham fucked up, badly
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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CFH
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JazMerkin
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CFH
Forum stupidity has risen to unacceptable levels. Good on you for leading the charge Game, always knew you had it in you :p.
Yeah, it is the usual suspects talking complete shit. It's amazing the number of keyboard warriors calling Dirrell a pussy, when they wouldn't last a minute in the ring with his grandad, let alone him.
Oh & if Dirrell was acting, he must Robert DeNiro's son because he's phenomenal. I mean seriously anyone who thinks he was acting is just out to lunch as far as I'm concerned or they're still too caught up in trying to find a victory for their man.
I've yet to see any of the idiots give one single logical reason why Dirrell would feign a seizure and delusion to get out of a fight he was clearly winning. All of a sudden all these morons are experts on head injuries too :rolleyes:.
One thing I'm convinced this shows up is people who've never boxed or seen someone KO'd. It's very rarely an instant reaction. I mean for fuck's sake, when Abraham KO'd Taylor, JT looked like he was conscious & still trying to get up. If Dirrell was acting, he doesn't need to be boxing anymore because he can make $25m a role as a Hollywood superstar.
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
It was a justified DQ...there wasn't really anything else that could have been done once Dirrell didnt get up.
I dont think Abraham deserves so much criticism for the foul. He was chasing dirrell down and it was in the heat of the moment, a split-second decision. But I havent seen the post fight interviews
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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JazMerkin
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CFH
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Yeah, it is the usual suspects talking complete shit. It's amazing the number of keyboard warriors calling Dirrell a pussy, when they wouldn't last a minute in the ring with his grandad, let alone him.
Oh & if Dirrell was acting, he must Robert DeNiro's son because he's phenomenal. I mean seriously anyone who thinks he was acting is just out to lunch as far as I'm concerned or they're still too caught up in trying to find a victory for their man.
I've yet to see any of the idiots give one single logical reason why Dirrell would feign a seizure and delusion to get out of a fight he was clearly winning. All of a sudden all these morons are experts on head injuries too :rolleyes:.
One thing I'm convinced this shows up is people who've never boxed or seen someone KO'd. It's very rarely an instant reaction. I mean for fuck's sake, when Abraham KO'd Taylor, JT looked like he was conscious & still trying to get up. If Dirrell was acting, he doesn't need to be boxing anymore because he can make $25m a role as a Hollywood superstar.
Give over mate. You don't need to be an expert in anything to see when somebody is trying it on. It was embarrassing, it wasn't even good acting. He'd been knocked down in the previous round, Abraham was putting it on him, and he took the easy way out imo.
Fair do's when someone does KO you, but i've never ever seen a fighter acknowledge the punch with a WTF stare, grimace like it hurt him, and then flop to the canvas, roll outside the ring and then back in it. It would have been semi believable if he'd have let the Dr look into his eyes, and he'd have convinced more people afterwards if he didn't pull out the 'i don't know where i am' card. What's worse is how the broadcast team lapped it all up, and it was even more painful to see them grabbing an interview with the Dr, in the middle of him being concerned about his brain bleeding.
You and others are of course entitled to your opinion, but in my honest opinion, Boxing turned into the WWE last night and that's not a good road to go down.
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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CFH
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JazMerkin
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CFH
Forum stupidity has risen to unacceptable levels. Good on you for leading the charge Game, always knew you had it in you :p.
Yeah, it is the usual suspects talking complete shit. It's amazing the number of keyboard warriors calling Dirrell a pussy, when they wouldn't last a minute in the ring with his grandad, let alone him.
Oh & if Dirrell was acting, he must Robert DeNiro's son because he's phenomenal. I mean seriously anyone who thinks he was acting is just out to lunch as far as I'm concerned or they're still too caught up in trying to find a victory for their man.
I've yet to see any of the idiots give one single logical reason why Dirrell would feign a seizure and delusion to get out of a fight he was clearly winning. All of a sudden all these morons are experts on head injuries too :rolleyes:.
Simple, he'd been put on his arse the round before (10th) and was lucky to get away with it. Abraham was pressuring him. It was actually a punch that caused the slip. Abraham had a brilliant KO win in the 12 in his last fight, and Abraham gave Dirrell the option to take the easy way out.
I think he's a shithouse for doing so. Don't get me wrong, it would have been a tempting offer and once he started rolling around he had to continue going on with it. Split second decision. If you watch you can actually see the second where he thinks about it.
All this talk about calling people Keyboard Warriors is irrelevant. None of us are walking round claiming to be the best fighter in the world.
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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ono
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CFH
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JazMerkin
Yeah, it is the usual suspects talking complete shit. It's amazing the number of keyboard warriors calling Dirrell a pussy, when they wouldn't last a minute in the ring with his grandad, let alone him.
Oh & if Dirrell was acting, he must Robert DeNiro's son because he's phenomenal. I mean seriously anyone who thinks he was acting is just out to lunch as far as I'm concerned or they're still too caught up in trying to find a victory for their man.
I've yet to see any of the idiots give one single logical reason why Dirrell would feign a seizure and delusion to get out of a fight he was clearly winning. All of a sudden all these morons are experts on head injuries too :rolleyes:.
Simple, he'd been put on his arse the round before (10th) and was lucky to get away with it. Abraham was pressuring him.
It was actually a punch that caused the slip. Abraham had a brilliant KO win in the 12 in his last fight, and Abraham gave Dirrell the option to take the easy way out.
I think he's a shithouse for doing so. Don't get me wrong, it would have been a tempting offer and once he started rolling around he had to continue going on with it. Split second decision. If you watch you can actually see the second where he thinks about it.
All this talk about calling people Keyboard Warriors is irrelevant. None of us are walking round claiming to be the best fighter in the world.
1 - Dirrell got up from that knock down with very little trouble at all
2 - It was not a punch that caused the slip. He dodged that punch and slipped. Look at the slow motion replay.
3 - No one has to claim to be the best fighter in the world. Instead what you are doing is claiming that you know more about what a man can do after taking a clean hit, and no one doing all the talking has any personal experience, or expertiese to go on.
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The DQ is fine, but I also think that Dirrel played the game, but Abraham gave him the change to do so.
Apart from that I think they should get neutral ring ref. before they fuck up the whole concept, if it not to late...
The super six is turning into a farce, who would have expected that :rolleyes:
I also hope that Kessler dont get a German or Danisk judge in Denmark the 24. april....
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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ninjaspy3
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Originally Posted by
ono
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CFH
I've yet to see any of the idiots give one single logical reason why Dirrell would feign a seizure and delusion to get out of a fight he was clearly winning. All of a sudden all these morons are experts on head injuries too :rolleyes:.
Simple, he'd been put on his arse the round before (10th) and was lucky to get away with it. Abraham was pressuring him.
It was actually a punch that caused the slip. Abraham had a brilliant KO win in the 12 in his last fight, and Abraham gave Dirrell the option to take the easy way out.
I think he's a shithouse for doing so. Don't get me wrong, it would have been a tempting offer and once he started rolling around he had to continue going on with it. Split second decision. If you watch you can actually see the second where he thinks about it.
All this talk about calling people Keyboard Warriors is irrelevant. None of us are walking round claiming to be the best fighter in the world.
1 - Dirrell got up from that knock down with very little trouble at all
2 - It was not a punch that caused the slip. He dodged that punch and slipped. Look at the slow motion replay.
3 - No one has to claim to be the best fighter in the world. Instead what you are doing is claiming that you know more about what a man can do after taking a clean hit, and no one doing all the talking has any personal experience, or expertiese to go on.
1 only emphasises my point. The shot that put him on his arse in the 10th was harder than the shot that supposedly almost killed him. 2, again is what i was trying to say. The pressure Dirrell was under caused him to slip - i should have been clearer
3 - You don't have to be an expert.
He was hit
He looked up at Abraham
He paused
He touched his face
He grimaced like he was in pain
He then theatrically flopped
He proceeded to roll in and out of the ring
He began shaking his leg
He came round a minute or so later
Wouldn't let the Dr look into his eyes
He claimed he'd been ko'd whilst he was down which is odd that he had perfect recollection of what happened considering he was convulsing. In fact, that's very odd. Dirrell appeared to be laying it all on a little too thick. He was also quite vocal which is odd behaviour to show after being knocked out cold.
He then proceeded to become very annoyed by somebody claiming he faked injury, which again, given he had 'suspected' brain bleeding is odd.
The broadcast team managed to grab an interview with the Dr who was supposed to be looking after Andre, which was strange
All tests came back negative. No concussion, no nothing. Which again was odd considering he was out cold convulsing...supposedly.
So no, i don't think i have to be neurologist to make my mind up about what happened.
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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ono
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ninjaspy3
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ono
Simple, he'd been put on his arse the round before (10th) and was lucky to get away with it. Abraham was pressuring him. It was actually a punch that caused the slip. Abraham had a brilliant KO win in the 12 in his last fight, and Abraham gave Dirrell the option to take the easy way out.
I think he's a shithouse for doing so. Don't get me wrong, it would have been a tempting offer and once he started rolling around he had to continue going on with it. Split second decision. If you watch you can actually see the second where he thinks about it.
All this talk about calling people Keyboard Warriors is irrelevant. None of us are walking round claiming to be the best fighter in the world.
1 - Dirrell got up from that knock down with very little trouble at all
2 - It was not a punch that caused the slip. He dodged that punch and slipped. Look at the slow motion replay.
3 - No one has to claim to be the best fighter in the world. Instead what you are doing is claiming that you know more about what a man can do after taking a clean hit, and no one doing all the talking has any personal experience, or expertiese to go on.
1 only emphasises my point. The shot that put him on his arse in the 10th was harder than the shot that supposedly almost killed him. 2, again is what i was trying to say. The pressure Dirrell was under caused him to slip - i should have been clearer
3 - You don't have to be an expert.
He was hit
He looked up at Abraham
He paused
He touched his face
He grimaced like he was in pain
He then theatrically flopped
He proceeded to roll in and out of the ring
He began shaking his leg
He came round a minute or so later
Wouldn't let the Dr look into his eyes
He claimed he'd been ko'd whilst he was down which is odd that he had perfect recollection of what happened considering he was convulsing. In fact, that's very odd. Dirrell appeared to be laying it all on a little too thick. He was also quite vocal which is odd behaviour to show after being knocked out cold.
He then proceeded to become very annoyed by somebody claiming he faked injury, which again, given he had 'suspected' brain bleeding is odd.
The broadcast team managed to grab an interview with the Dr who was supposed to be looking after Andre, which was strange
All tests came back negative. No concussion, no nothing. Which again was odd considering he was out cold convulsing...supposedly.
So no, i don't think i have to be neurologist to make my mind up about what happened.
Very well. Let's say (hypothetically) that you are right, and he acted.
What would you recommend he -should- have done?
May I take a guess in that your answer would be "Get up and continue to fight?"
If that is the case, you and I both know that there is only one likely ending for such a scenario, and that is, Abraham finally getting through with a punch and landing a KO.
Such a scenario -could have- played out even without the hit which resulted in the DQ -however- that hit would have pretty much ended any further useful participation in the fight by Dirrell.
See what Im saying? Especially because of that hit, the end result of the fight would have tipped heavily into Abraham's favor. And that is just wrong.
The DQ was a waaay more acceptable option than getting Dirrell to continue the fight only to be 70% and get KOd.
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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ninjaspy3
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ono
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1 - Dirrell got up from that knock down with very little trouble at all
2 - It was not a punch that caused the slip. He dodged that punch and slipped. Look at the slow motion replay.
3 - No one has to claim to be the best fighter in the world. Instead what you are doing is claiming that you know more about what a man can do after taking a clean hit, and no one doing all the talking has any personal experience, or expertiese to go on.
1 only emphasises my point. The shot that put him on his arse in the 10th was harder than the shot that supposedly almost killed him. 2, again is what i was trying to say. The pressure Dirrell was under caused him to slip - i should have been clearer
3 - You don't have to be an expert.
He was hit
He looked up at Abraham
He paused
He touched his face
He grimaced like he was in pain
He then theatrically flopped
He proceeded to roll in and out of the ring
He began shaking his leg
He came round a minute or so later
Wouldn't let the Dr look into his eyes
He claimed he'd been ko'd whilst he was down which is odd that he had perfect recollection of what happened considering he was convulsing. In fact, that's very odd. Dirrell appeared to be laying it all on a little too thick. He was also quite vocal which is odd behaviour to show after being knocked out cold.
He then proceeded to become very annoyed by somebody claiming he faked injury, which again, given he had 'suspected' brain bleeding is odd.
The broadcast team managed to grab an interview with the Dr who was supposed to be looking after Andre, which was strange
All tests came back negative. No concussion, no nothing. Which again was odd considering he was out cold convulsing...supposedly.
So no, i don't think i have to be neurologist to make my mind up about what happened.
Very well. Let's say (hypothetically) that you are right, and he acted.
What would you recommend he -should- have done?
May I take a guess in that your answer would be "Get up and continue to fight?"
If that is the case, you and I both know that there is only one likely ending for such a scenario, and that is, Abraham finally getting through with a punch and landing a KO.
Such a scenario -could have- played out even without the hit which resulted in the DQ -however- that hit would have pretty much ended any further useful participation in the fight by Dirrell.
See what Im saying? Especially because of that hit, the end result of the fight would have tipped heavily into Abraham's favor. And that is just wrong.
The DQ was a waaay more acceptable option than getting Dirrell to continue the fight only to be 70% and get KOd.
Well that's the funny thing. It was worthy of a DQ and i have no problem with that. Just Dirrell's response took the shine off what was a very, very good performance, and imo i believe he did it not just because Abraham was coming on strong, but also because the opportunity presented itself and in reality he only had a split second to make the decision and after that he had to go along with it. It was just a really unsatisfying way to what was an exciting fight, especially going into the 12th with Abraham needing a knockout.
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Def a DQ. I was disgusted with AA. Fair enough he should have a the kd rewarded in the 10th but to go on and hit the man when he had clearly been down 3 seconds?? Disgraceful, and he knew he was losing any decision too!!
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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Cortez The Killer
It was a justified DQ...there wasn't really anything else that could have been done once Dirrell didnt get up.
I dont think Abraham deserves so much criticism for the foul. He was chasing dirrell down and it was in the heat of the moment, a split-second decision. But I havent seen the post fight interviews
And thats the biggest truth I've read here since the fight...I mean does anybody remember Barrera vs JMM...with JMM down after a knock down and Barrera punching him while JMM was on one knee...Barrera got a point deduction(and wasn't credited for the kd) JMM got up again and the fought on...But when Dirrell couldn't or wouldn't get up what else to do than DQ...
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
There is a few decisions and things that I don't like about Cole in the match but I can easily see an argument why Abraham has been disqualified, unfortunately...
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
Should Arthur have been Dq'd?? had Dirrell stayed upright no perhaps he should have lost a point but as Dirrell went over and ref didn't know if he was really out or not then yes Arthur should have been dq'd but the only real problem i have is the acting by Dirrell it was embarrassing Arthur skimmed his face with a left and he slipped over he then followed through with the right hand. Now here is the acting Dirrell looks at Arthur he squints his left eye then raises his left hand to his face he falls over then rolls under the ring he then does the river dance with his legs. Then as the ref says get the doctor in here Dirrel as if by miracle turns on to his side perhaps knowing if the doc gets near him he will be found out to be acting he then does his best to avoid the doctor shining the light in his eyes then when interviewed he says he was knocked out then someone says no you won then he says yes i was hit while i was down just got his memory back as quick as that. And he kept holding his left side of his face where he had been hit now this was laughable he had been punched for 11 rounds and this 1 punch was making him hold his face no its cos he was highlighting the fact he had been hit on it. The guy is a joke he ran like a scared child against Froch he also did some daft stuff and now this against Arthur he knew Arthur was catching up to him and he could have got him Dirrell didn't want to end up out cold like Jermain and many other against Arthur this oportunity presented itself and Dirrell took it cos he dint want to be 0-2 in this comp.
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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Originally Posted by
Tysonbruno
Should Arthur have been Dq'd?? had Dirrell stayed upright no perhaps he should have lost a point but as Dirrell went over and ref didn't know if he was really out or not then yes Arthur should have been dq'd but the only real problem i have is the acting by Dirrell it was embarrassing Arthur skimmed his face with a left and he slipped over he then followed through with the right hand. Now here is the acting Dirrell looks at Arthur he squints his left eye then raises his left hand to his face he falls over then rolls under the ring he then does the river dance with his legs. Then as the ref says get the doctor in here Dirrel as if by miracle turns on to his side perhaps knowing if the doc gets near him he will be found out to be acting he then does his best to avoid the doctor shining the light in his eyes then when interviewed he says he was knocked out then someone says no you won then he says yes i was hit while i was down just got his memory back as quick as that. And he kept holding his left side of his face where he had been hit now this was laughable he had been punched for 11 rounds and this 1 punch was making him hold his face no its cos he was highlighting the fact he had been hit on it. The guy is a joke he ran like a scared child against Froch he also did some daft stuff and now this against Arthur he knew Arthur was catching up to him and he could have got him Dirrell didn't want to end up out cold like Jermain and many other against Arthur this oportunity presented itself and Dirrell took it cos he dint want to be 0-2 in this comp.
Gerald McClennan had a similar delayed reaction and grabbing his head in a similar fashion. Sure he was acting too?
Seriously it's like everyone forgot what a delayed reaction is because they want to convince themself that Abraham was gonna come back and win.
Tell me when was Dirrell ever hurt by anything Abraham threw? When was he ever hanging on for dear life? The fact is the only shot that hurt Dirrell or had him in danger was the one he took on the canvas. Abraham was not close to stopping him at any point in that fight.
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
It was justified. No question.
Infact, I cant see anyone questioning the call. I wish this poll was public so I could see who voted NO.... Probably some new members named Armin1, 2, 3 & 4 ;)
On another note... Certain peeps need to realise that this whole ''It's irrelevant if Andre Dirrell was acting or not'' argument is kind of irrelevant in itself.
The fact that I personally think Dirrell made a meal of the whole issue has no baring on MY judgement on what happened Saturday night means that I or anyone one of like-minded opinion is perfectly welcome to express the opinion of suspected melo-dramatics.
It's a statement of opinion relevant to my opinion of Andre Dirrell. I was actually really happy with his performance untill his little encore ;)
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
The actual disqualification itself was more than justified
But as ive said to so many people over the past 48hours since this happened...
if your going to fall over like a little bitch at every opportunity you cant moan when eventually someone follows through and sparks you out.
No doubt andre dirrells oscar nomination is already in the post
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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Majesty
Gerald McClennan had a similar delayed reaction and grabbing his head in a similar fashion.
:lol:
I fucken WISH Gerald McClennan had a similar delayed reaction :rolleyes:
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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Originally Posted by
Jimboogie
It was justified. No question.
Infact, I cant see anyone questioning the call. I wish this poll was public so I could see who voted NO.... Probably some new members named Armin1, 2, 3 & 4 ;)
On another note... Certain peeps need to realise that this whole ''It's irrelevant if Andre Dirrell was acting or not'' argument is kind of irrelevant in itself.
The fact that I personally think Dirrell made a meal of the whole issue has no baring on MY judgement on what happened Saturday night means that I or anyone one of like-minded opinion is perfectly welcome to express the opinion of suspected melo-dramatics.
It's a statement of opinion relevant to my opinion of Andre Dirrell. I was actually really happy with his performance untill his little encore ;)
The poll is public: Eloking, GAME, SEB, Tysonbruno and KING-PAC-MAN are the ones that believe the DQ was not justified.
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
DQ. It's a simple as this, Abraham aimed at his face when Dirrell was on one knee. That's not continuing momentum. The punch was thrown out of frustration because Dirrell was eating his lunch all night.
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Originally Posted by
hattonthehammer
The actual disqualification itself was more than justified
But as ive said to so many people over the past 48hours since this happened...
if your going to fall over like a little bitch at every opportunity you cant moan when eventually someone follows through and sparks you out.
No doubt andre dirrells oscar nomination is already in the post
Dirrell was not falling all over the place this fight, Abraham was being the biitch in there calling low blow and trying to jump in with head butts. The only times Dirrell hit the canvas was when:
A. He got knocked down, and yes it was a legit knockdown.
and
B. When he slipped in Abraham's corner.
I know macmagician wrote earlier it's a boy cried wolf type thing, which I can certainly understand. But in THIS fight he wasn't falling all over the place.
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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killersheep
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Originally Posted by
hattonthehammer
The actual disqualification itself was more than justified
But as ive said to so many people over the past 48hours since this happened...
if your going to fall over like a little bitch at every opportunity you cant moan when eventually someone follows through and sparks you out.
No doubt andre dirrells oscar nomination is already in the post
Dirrell was not falling all over the place this fight, Abraham was being the biitch in there calling low blow and trying to jump in with head butts. The only times Dirrell hit the canvas was when:
A. He got knocked down, and yes it was a legit knockdown.
and
B. When he slipped in Abraham's corner.
I know macmagician wrote earlier it's a boy cried wolf type thing, which I can certainly understand. But in THIS fight he wasn't falling all over the place.
Actually he sort of did... Dirrell fell over trying to hang on to Abraham at some point late in the fight... I think that is the ungainly sight HTH was referring to.
Didn't he do that against Froch as well?
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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Hulk
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CFH
Fuck yes it was justified. Anyone who says otherwise is a gibbering idiot or so ridiculously biased that their opinion is worthless. He hit an opponent when he was down and in a vulnerable position and clearly thought about it before hand. It wasn't like he was in the midst of punching when Dirrell went down, he saw he was down, thought about it, and them he hit him.
I'm a huge Abraham fan, or at least I was, but that was a chicken-shit move and he acted like a classless asshole afterwards.
Agreed.
It was a blatant foul.
And though at first it appeared Dirrell may be acting, it was clear later that he was not. He was crying and scared after awaking from being knocked out. And the Doctors were sincerely concerned over his health.
Abraham acted like a punk.
Yes I did see the end of the fight were Jim Gray asked him about the fight and Dirrell started crying "I lost the Fight I got knocked out" The only thing I thought at the moment was damn that might have ended his career he's seriously f**ked if he can't remember what happened.
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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Originally Posted by
Jimboogie
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Originally Posted by
hattonthehammer
The actual disqualification itself was more than justified
But as ive said to so many people over the past 48hours since this happened...
if your going to fall over like a little bitch at every opportunity you cant moan when eventually someone follows through and sparks you out.
No doubt andre dirrells oscar nomination is already in the post
Dirrell was not falling all over the place this fight, Abraham was being the biitch in there calling low blow and trying to jump in with head butts. The only times Dirrell hit the canvas was when:
A. He got knocked down, and yes it was a legit knockdown.
and
B. When he slipped in Abraham's corner.
I know macmagician wrote earlier it's a boy cried wolf type thing, which I can certainly understand.
But in THIS fight he wasn't falling all over the place.
Actually he sort of did... Dirrell fell over trying to hang on to Abraham at some point late in the fight... I think that is the ungainly sight HTH was referring to.
Didn't he do that against Froch as well?
Are you talking about when their feet got tangled? Also, I put extra emphasis on the THIS fight. Hence the whole boy who cried wolf statement. In the Froch fight he was definately floppin around like a fish out of water.
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Originally Posted by
Jimboogie
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killersheep
Dirrell was not falling all over the place this fight, Abraham was being the biitch in there calling low blow and trying to jump in with head butts. The only times Dirrell hit the canvas was when:
A. He got knocked down, and yes it was a legit knockdown.
and
B. When he slipped in Abraham's corner.
I know macmagician wrote earlier it's a boy cried wolf type thing, which I can certainly understand. But in THIS fight he wasn't falling all over the place.
Actually he sort of did... Dirrell fell over trying to hang on to Abraham at some point late in the fight... I think that is the ungainly sight HTH was referring to.
Didn't he do that against Froch as well?
Are you talking about when their feet got tangled? Also, I put extra emphasis on the THIS fight. Hence the whole boy who cried wolf statement. In the Froch fight he was definately floppin around like a fish out of water.
No, I'm talking about when they fell over because Dirrell was trying to grab hold of Abraham who immediately backed to afford himself some room which then proceeded to bring Dirrell down to the floor in a bit of a mess simply because Dirrell refused to let go :p
Sorry KS, but lets have it right ;)
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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Jimboogie
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Jimboogie
Actually he sort of did... Dirrell fell over trying to hang on to Abraham at some point late in the fight... I think that is the ungainly sight HTH was referring to.
Didn't he do that against Froch as well?
Are you talking about when their feet got tangled? Also, I put extra emphasis on the THIS fight. Hence the whole boy who cried wolf statement. In the Froch fight he was definately floppin around like a fish out of water.
No, I'm talking about when they fell over because Dirrell was trying to grab hold of Abraham who immediately backed to afford himself some room which then proceeded to bring Dirrell down to the floor in a bit of a mess simply because Dirrell refused to let go :p
Sorry KS, but lets have it right ;)
That's a far cry from "if your going to fall over like a little bitch at every opportunity" which is the original quote, I mean if we're going to have it right.
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Originally Posted by
Jimboogie
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killersheep
Are you talking about when their feet got tangled? Also, I put extra emphasis on the THIS fight. Hence the whole boy who cried wolf statement. In the Froch fight he was definately floppin around like a fish out of water.
No, I'm talking about when they fell over because Dirrell was trying to grab hold of Abraham who immediately backed to afford himself some room which then proceeded to bring Dirrell down to the floor in a bit of a mess simply because Dirrell refused to let go :p
Sorry KS, but lets have it right ;)
That's a far cry from "if your going to fall over like a little bitch at every opportunity" which is the original quote, I mean if we're going to have it right.
What? Hang on?
First you say that he didn't fall over at all... Then you say he did fall over but only cause their feet got tangled, which is wrong... Which I rightly corrected, so then you try using my principles against me because I'm right? ;D
Fine. Be like that :p
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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Jimboogie
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Jimboogie
No, I'm talking about when they fell over because Dirrell was trying to grab hold of Abraham who immediately backed to afford himself some room which then proceeded to bring Dirrell down to the floor in a bit of a mess simply because Dirrell refused to let go :p
Sorry KS, but lets have it right ;)
That's a far cry from "if your going to fall over like a little bitch at every opportunity" which is the original quote, I mean if we're going to have it right.
What? Hang on?
First you say that he didn't fall over at all... Then you say he
did fall over but only cause their feet got tangled, which is wrong... Which I rightly corrected, so then you try using my principles against me because I'm right? ;D
Fine. Be like that :p
this is turning into the whole Pacquiao/Mayweather drug test issue, the fight ended cause Abraham threw and landed an illegal blow, forcing the DQ, end of story
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Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
That was a pretty clear cut DQ IMO. I mean he paused made sure Dirrell was down and then hit him.
Cole did miss a knockdown from each fighter. But the DQ was the correct call.
I said from day one abraham in america against dirrell = abraham not being in his comfort zone where he can stand in the middle of the ring for 5rounds peekaboo stanced and work his opponent out before an onslaught. Dirrell would of been told from the world go you gotta be throwing leather and forcing abraham into opening up.
Gameplan was perfect. Had dirrell of just got up and carried on through 12 almost everyone would now be praising him for a vintage performance. Instead he decided to tarnish the whole evening by playing dead and then pretending he had no idea where he was
Nobody came out looking good from saturday night. Abraham deserves a heavy fine for a sickening late punch, gary shaw deserves a fine for bad mouthing abraham in the post fight interview, dirrell just comes across as a complete clown with average acting ability
