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Re: Khan - Maidana in jeopardy already...
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Put it this way, if Khan really wants to fight Maidana that bad as you say, then why not offer a little more to fight him? As of this time he needs Maidana more than Maidana needs him. Because the boxing world still wants to see Khan in with a puncher that's a top 5 fighter in the division. I'm not the only one that has been saying Khan is cherry picking his fights to avoid big punchers since the Presscot lost. A lot of fans, fighters, and boxing writers are saying the same thing.
And about Pac, no he was not mainstream especially in the USA. Mainstream athletes are the American football ones and basketball ones mostly. Boxing is just a niche sport in this country now.
I remember Jazmerkin put it best about Pac, when he was talking about Duran a few months back, in that Duran before his victory over Leonard was very well known only in the boxing community, but exploded into the mainstream when he beat Leonard, just like Pac beating De La Hoya.
WTF Khan needs Maidana more than Maidana needs him??????????????????????????????????????????????
Wow what are you talking about? Khan is one of the hottest things in boxing weather rightly so or not mate have you banged your head tonight?
Maidana last fight was at home in some school gym against Corley in front ao no mainstream tv the same Corley who is 6-9 in his last 15 fights and got paid peanuts, Khan was headlining a HBO Live show from Madison sqaure garden??
Sorry who needs who here? :-\
FFS mate what are you talking about Pac wasn't mainstream? Mainstream what? Now he is one of the biggest sports stars in the world are you trying to say that equals mainstream??
He was pfp numbero uno and had been on HBO headlining HBO for five years and many ppv's what are you talking about he wasn't mainstream?
Your going on as if he just moved over from his home counry and Dela Hoya was his first big fight?
I think Armin had it right about how Khan is seen in this country, meaning the USA and I think he shares my thoughts exactly.
And about Pac, the average sports fan in the USA doesn't know who he was until he beat De La Hoya the golden boy of boxing in this country. Our mainstream sports stars are like Kobe Bryant, Tom Brady, Payton Manning, Serina Williams, Albert Pujols, Brett Favre, etc. Who knows maybe he was mainstream in the UK before the De La Hoya fight but not in the US. Maybe we are seeing it from the different perspective of the British and American viewpoint.
No problems at all bro, we'll just agree to disagree.
Thats cool bro you no I think your a top guy, I was thinking when you meant mainstream you meant as a fighter rather than a global known sportstar.
Back to the Khan point I agree he means fuck all to the average man in the States but in the " business " of the sport he is in a different league to Maidana when it come's to what they bring to the table.
Another example I will use Kosta V Hatton, Kosta fought Hatton in his backyard and in truth even though he was actually a draw with the UK PPV money he accepted $2 milliion of a $8 million pot so he could make the fight with the champ he was the mandatory for KT'S IBF belt Hatton was making a career high pay day but a lot less than Kosta he didn't start throwing a hissy fit becasue he new his place he was the challanger Kosta was the champ and he was still being paid a good amount to make this fight happen.
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Re: Khan - Maidana in jeopardy already...
Lol Maidana wants more than half a million to fight Khan. Out of interest, Skel do you know how much Paulie and Kotelnik got for fighting Khan.
Maidana will never see half a mill again. He'd be an idiot to turn that down. All this 65 - 35% stuff only really works if anyone even knows who the opponent is. Maidana might be dangerous, but nobody outside of the hardcores know him, and he doesn't sell tickets. That's a great offer for him.
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Lol Maidana wants more than half a million to fight Khan. Out of interest, Skel do you know how much Paulie and Kotelnik got for fighting Khan.
Maidana will never see half a mill again. He'd be an idiot to turn that down. All this 65 - 35% stuff only really works if anyone even knows who the opponent is. Maidana might be dangerous, but nobody outside of the hardcores know him, and he doesn't sell tickets. That's a great offer for him.
Not sure mate for the Paulie one I would think quite similar to the deal on the table with Maidana, Khan is on a contract with Golden Boy for at least 7 figure pay for every fight and I think HBO would probably put the Khan v Maidana on about par with the Paulie fight in terms of money offered to host the fight.
I would guess Kotelnik who was champ would be even less who knows I will try and do some digging.
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Re: Khan - Maidana in jeopardy already...
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Khan hottest thing in boxing, maybe in the uk, don't nobody care two shits about him here. In the US I'd say maidana and khan are known the same by the general public, which is to say not at all. If khan is demanding something like 75%-25% maidana should rightly tell him to go *uck himself in the knee, if I was maidana I wouldn't accept anything less than 40%, khan hasn't really done anything yet to warrant any bigger piece of the pie. Also doubt khan will ever become huge in the US, he's foreign, weak chin, with what is becomming a safety first attitude, that's is not endearing to most common US fans. Khan is fabricated stardom, made into a star by british media over there I guess, but what has he done yet to warrant stardom. The most legit name on his resume is kotelnik, paulie has been beat to shit by others, barrerra should never even have been in the ring at that time nor at that weight. Hmmm I never did hate khan but making me type out this post is getting me there...
Is that right?? The hatred coming about again, so tell me who is the fighter signed up with Golden boy with guaranteed 7 figure pay cheques everytime he steps in the ring??
Oh yes that's right Amir Khan ;)
Who is the fighter who HBO Want headlinging on there network that would be Amir Khan once again. ;)
Now like I said weather this is right or wrong for a fighter who hasn't proved much right now he is hot news, so take your hatred filled glasses off and look at the facts, out of the ppv fighters i.e Floyd Pac etc etc he is probably highest earning boxer in the world, I don't think to many Golden boy fighters have superior contracts to Khan do you?
So how is that not one of the hottest boxers in the world right now? If I was Khan I would do the complete opposite and tell Maidna to go fuck himself and come back when he isn't fighting bums in his ex high schools gym for peanuts.
I don't even rate Khan that highly I am looking at this from a unbiases view looking at all the permutations, and as one of my examples I showed you with the Mayweather Baldomir fight and I could name hundreds of fights, who has the belt or he should get a percentage because he is number 1 means shit! Khan is the draw Khan is the one who earns 7 figures with or without Maidana there the facts sad but true, he has offered this guy his biggest payday x3 and he aint happy so he should only get one thing imo and that is:
:fyou:
I wasn't looking at the business side of things he might be the hottest thing to hbo and they're trying to make him their next main man, but we know that doesn't work out often. I guess I was just getting frustrated at the business end of the sport, great fights not being made due to two sides not being able to come to terms. That's one of the things better about the ufc they get ordered to fight and they get it on, in boxing it's always this or that. Also come to think of it guess maidana should just take that 500k and go on and knock khan out, which I'm pretty sure he could. Not saying I agree with the offer still think it's unfair but I think maidana should go ahead and believe in his abilities and just sign the dotted line.
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Re: Khan - Maidana in jeopardy already...
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It's not really a balanced article, considering there is no quote from Khan. Besides nobody really know what Maidana is asking for here...
See when did 'balance' ever stop anyone on here jumping to conclusions and siding with one fighter to hate on another.
If the discussions on this forum were based around fact there would be a few million less posts.
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Re: Khan - Maidana in jeopardy already...
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Lol Maidana wants more than half a million to fight Khan. Out of interest, Skel do you know how much Paulie and Kotelnik got for fighting Khan.
Maidana will never see half a mill again. He'd be an idiot to turn that down. All this 65 - 35% stuff only really works if anyone even knows who the opponent is. Maidana might be dangerous, but nobody outside of the hardcores know him, and he doesn't sell tickets. That's a great offer for him.
Not sure mate for the Paulie one I would think quite similar to the deal on the table with Maidana, Khan is on a contract with Golden Boy for at least 7 figure pay for every fight and I think HBO would probably put the Khan v Maidana on about par with the Paulie fight in terms of money offered to host the fight.
I would guess Kotelnik who was champ would be even less who knows I will try and do some digging.
Not 100% sure but I think Paulie made about $650,000. Kotelnik I have no idea. Con doesn't necessarily need Madiana. He just needs a puncher period. Someone who can crack. To show everybody he can take a punch. Ever since the near death experience against Prescott he's fought nothing but hand picked opponents.
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Re: Khan - Maidana in jeopardy already...
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Lol Maidana wants more than half a million to fight Khan. Out of interest, Skel do you know how much Paulie and Kotelnik got for fighting Khan.
Maidana will never see half a mill again. He'd be an idiot to turn that down. All this 65 - 35% stuff only really works if anyone even knows who the opponent is. Maidana might be dangerous, but nobody outside of the hardcores know him, and he doesn't sell tickets. That's a great offer for him.
Not sure mate for the Paulie one I would think quite similar to the deal on the table with Maidana, Khan is on a contract with Golden Boy for at least 7 figure pay for every fight and I think HBO would probably put the Khan v Maidana on about par with the Paulie fight in terms of money offered to host the fight.
I would guess Kotelnik who was champ would be even less who knows I will try and do some digging.
Not 100% sure but I think Paulie made about $650,000. Kotelnik I have no idea. Con doesn't necessarily need Madiana. He just needs a puncher period. Someone who can crack. To show everybody he can take a punch. Ever since the near death experience against Prescott he's fought nothing but hand picked opponents.
They where hand picked on power long before Prescot mate....Prescot was his only dabble in the ring with a high % puncher and he failed bigtime.
its a shame really because i think if he had a chin he could be something special.
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Re: Khan - Maidana in jeopardy already...
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skel1983
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ono
Lol Maidana wants more than half a million to fight Khan. Out of interest, Skel do you know how much Paulie and Kotelnik got for fighting Khan.
Maidana will never see half a mill again. He'd be an idiot to turn that down. All this 65 - 35% stuff only really works if anyone even knows who the opponent is. Maidana might be dangerous, but nobody outside of the hardcores know him, and he doesn't sell tickets. That's a great offer for him.
Not sure mate for the Paulie one I would think quite similar to the deal on the table with Maidana, Khan is on a contract with Golden Boy for at least 7 figure pay for every fight and I think HBO would probably put the Khan v Maidana on about par with the Paulie fight in terms of money offered to host the fight.
I would guess Kotelnik who was champ would be even less who knows I will try and do some digging.
Not 100% sure but I think Paulie made about $650,000. Kotelnik I have no idea.
Con doesn't necessarily need Madiana. He just needs a puncher period. Someone who can crack. To show everybody he can take a punch. Ever since the near death experience against Prescott he's fought nothing but hand picked opponents.
Agreed. Maidana is the ideal opponent for him because of his popularity, but he's by no means the only opponent for Khan.
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ono
Lol Maidana wants more than half a million to fight Khan. Out of interest, Skel do you know how much Paulie and Kotelnik got for fighting Khan.
Maidana will never see half a mill again. He'd be an idiot to turn that down. All this 65 - 35% stuff only really works if anyone even knows who the opponent is. Maidana might be dangerous, but nobody outside of the hardcores know him, and he doesn't sell tickets. That's a great offer for him.
Not sure mate for the Paulie one I would think quite similar to the deal on the table with Maidana, Khan is on a contract with Golden Boy for at least 7 figure pay for every fight and I think HBO would probably put the Khan v Maidana on about par with the Paulie fight in terms of money offered to host the fight.
I would guess Kotelnik who was champ would be even less who knows I will try and do some digging.
Not 100% sure but I think Paulie made about $650,000. Kotelnik I have no idea.
Con doesn't necessarily need Madiana. He just needs a puncher period. Someone who can crack. To show everybody he can take a punch. Ever since the near death experience against Prescott he's fought nothing but hand picked opponents.
Agreed. Maidana is the ideal opponent for him because of his popularity, but he's by no means the only opponent for Khan.
Popularity with who?
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I think this fight WILL happen and I think Khan will be way too good too. I have been really impressed with Khan since the Prescott fight and I think he is probably the best 140lbs fighter on the planet and that includes Bradley too (although Judah still has me thinking).
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skel1983
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Lol Maidana wants more than half a million to fight Khan. Out of interest, Skel do you know how much Paulie and Kotelnik got for fighting Khan.
Maidana will never see half a mill again. He'd be an idiot to turn that down. All this 65 - 35% stuff only really works if anyone even knows who the opponent is. Maidana might be dangerous, but nobody outside of the hardcores know him, and he doesn't sell tickets. That's a great offer for him.
Not sure mate for the Paulie one I would think quite similar to the deal on the table with Maidana, Khan is on a contract with Golden Boy for at least 7 figure pay for every fight and I think HBO would probably put the Khan v Maidana on about par with the Paulie fight in terms of money offered to host the fight.
I would guess Kotelnik who was champ would be even less who knows I will try and do some digging.
Not 100% sure but I think Paulie made about $650,000. Kotelnik I have no idea.
Con doesn't necessarily need Madiana. He just needs a puncher period. Someone who can crack. To show everybody he can take a punch. Ever since the near death experience against Prescott he's fought nothing but hand picked opponents.
Agreed. Maidana is the ideal opponent for him because of his popularity, but he's by no means the only opponent for Khan.
Popularity with who?
Is there a more popular puncher at 140?
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ono
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CFH
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Violent Demise
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skel1983
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ono
Lol Maidana wants more than half a million to fight Khan. Out of interest, Skel do you know how much Paulie and Kotelnik got for fighting Khan.
Maidana will never see half a mill again. He'd be an idiot to turn that down. All this 65 - 35% stuff only really works if anyone even knows who the opponent is. Maidana might be dangerous, but nobody outside of the hardcores know him, and he doesn't sell tickets. That's a great offer for him.
Not sure mate for the Paulie one I would think quite similar to the deal on the table with Maidana, Khan is on a contract with Golden Boy for at least 7 figure pay for every fight and I think HBO would probably put the Khan v Maidana on about par with the Paulie fight in terms of money offered to host the fight.
I would guess Kotelnik who was champ would be even less who knows I will try and do some digging.
Not 100% sure but I think Paulie made about $650,000. Kotelnik I have no idea.
Con doesn't necessarily need Madiana. He just needs a puncher period. Someone who can crack. To show everybody he can take a punch. Ever since the near death experience against Prescott he's fought nothing but hand picked opponents.
Agreed. Maidana is the ideal opponent for him because of his popularity, but he's by no means the only opponent for Khan.
Popularity with who?
Is there a more popular puncher at 140?
He's probably the only real 'puncher' at 140, but i wouldn't say he's a popular fighter. He might be fairly popular on here, but i wouldn't say he's that popular with anyone outside the hardcores.
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How about Joan Guzman vs Amir Khan ? or even Kaizer Mabuza who upset Kendall Holt earlier in the year.
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How about Joan Guzman vs Amir Khan ? or even Kaizer Mabuza who upset Kendall Holt earlier in the year.
Guzma vs Khan would be great imo.
Never seen Mabuza fight, but you'd have to be really shit to have a win over Kendall Holt to be seen as an 'upset'. ;D
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How about Joan Guzman vs Amir Khan ? or even Kaizer Mabuza who upset Kendall Holt earlier in the year.
Guzma vs Khan would be great imo.
Never seen Mabuza fight, but you'd have to be really shit to have a win over Kendall Holt to be seen as an 'upset'. ;D
I agree it would be great, Joan Guzman has for certain outgrown the Lightweight division. Obviously with all the weight problems against Campbell/Funeka.
He's very skillful fighter, with some recognition. And Amir Khan would get alot of credit if he won. I know i would give him alot of credit.
As for Kaizer Mabuza, to be honest i hadn't really heard of him either. Until the Kendall Holt fight, which is why i called it an upset. As it totally come out of nowhere, because people thought it was more like a warm up for Kendall Holt, to get ready for bigger and better fights.
But those two fights would make the most sense, there's few prospects with undefeated records. But they aren't really known and it would be a waste of time.
Although Lamont Peterson vs Amir Khan wouldn't be bad come to think of it.
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ono
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How about Joan Guzman vs Amir Khan ? or even Kaizer Mabuza who upset Kendall Holt earlier in the year.
Guzma vs Khan would be great imo.
Never seen Mabuza fight, but you'd have to be really shit to have a win over Kendall Holt to be seen as an 'upset'. ;D
I agree it would be great, Joan Guzman has for certain outgrown the Lightweight division. Obviously with all the weight problems against Campbell/Funeka.
He's very skillful fighter, with some recognition.
And Amir Khan would get alot of credit if he won. I know i would give him alot of credit.
As for Kaizer Mabuza, to be honest i hadn't really heard of him either. Until the Kendall Holt fight, which is why i called it an upset. As it totally come out of nowhere, because people thought it was more like a warm up for Kendall Holt, to get ready for bigger and better fights.
But those two fights would make the most sense, there's few prospects with undefeated records. But they aren't really known and it would be a waste of time.
Although Lamont Peterson vs Amir Khan wouldn't be bad come to think of it.
Would he?? The guy is what 36/37 has shown no power since his days as a 126 lb fighter, I don't want to see that fight at all. Khan would get no credit at all, he wasn't getting slated for wanting to fight Marquez but you think fighting Guzman he would?
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ICB
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ono
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ICB
How about Joan Guzman vs Amir Khan ? or even Kaizer Mabuza who upset Kendall Holt earlier in the year.
Guzma vs Khan would be great imo.
Never seen Mabuza fight, but you'd have to be really shit to have a win over Kendall Holt to be seen as an 'upset'. ;D
I agree it would be great, Joan Guzman has for certain outgrown the Lightweight division. Obviously with all the weight problems against Campbell/Funeka.
He's very skillful fighter, with some recognition.
And Amir Khan would get alot of credit if he won. I know i would give him alot of credit.
As for Kaizer Mabuza, to be honest i hadn't really heard of him either. Until the Kendall Holt fight, which is why i called it an upset. As it totally come out of nowhere, because people thought it was more like a warm up for Kendall Holt, to get ready for bigger and better fights.
But those two fights would make the most sense, there's few prospects with undefeated records. But they aren't really known and it would be a waste of time.
Although Lamont Peterson vs Amir Khan wouldn't be bad come to think of it.
Would he?? The guy is what 36/37 has shown no power since his days as a 126 lb fighter, I don't want to see that fight at all. Khan would get no credit at all, he wasn't getting slated for wanting to fight Marquez but you think fighting Guzman he would?
Because Joan Guzman has outgrown the Lightweight division, he's naturally Jr Welterweight now. He was fighting as a Jr Welterweight vs Ali Funeka.
Where as when JMM moved up, he looked chubby around the midsection. And has no business moving up, Joan Guzman has had trouble making Lightweight limit for over 2 years.
And infact i thought he fought a good fight vs Ali Funeka, i mean with that attitude who would he get credit for fighting then ? you say Maidana is crap, Alexander has been exposed, so who is there then ?
I think Joan Guzman is one of the better opponents he could fight, except for a fight vs Timothy Bradley.
Plus his career hasn't been that hard, its not like he's been in wars like JMM. He's 34 but he's not an old 34, and he's only had 30 pro fights, i don't think he's worn out at all. And he still has some good fights left in him.
Infact there's good chance Joan Guzman could beat Amir Khan.
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ICB
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skel1983
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ICB
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ono
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Originally Posted by
ICB
How about Joan Guzman vs Amir Khan ? or even Kaizer Mabuza who upset Kendall Holt earlier in the year.
Guzma vs Khan would be great imo.
Never seen Mabuza fight, but you'd have to be really shit to have a win over Kendall Holt to be seen as an 'upset'. ;D
I agree it would be great, Joan Guzman has for certain outgrown the Lightweight division. Obviously with all the weight problems against Campbell/Funeka.
He's very skillful fighter, with some recognition.
And Amir Khan would get alot of credit if he won. I know i would give him alot of credit.
As for Kaizer Mabuza, to be honest i hadn't really heard of him either. Until the Kendall Holt fight, which is why i called it an upset. As it totally come out of nowhere, because people thought it was more like a warm up for Kendall Holt, to get ready for bigger and better fights.
But those two fights would make the most sense, there's few prospects with undefeated records. But they aren't really known and it would be a waste of time.
Although Lamont Peterson vs Amir Khan wouldn't be bad come to think of it.
Would he?? The guy is what 36/37 has shown no power since his days as a 126 lb fighter, I don't want to see that fight at all. Khan would get no credit at all, he wasn't getting slated for wanting to fight Marquez but you think fighting Guzman he would?
Because Joan Guzman has outgrown the Lightweight division, he's naturally Jr Welterweight now. He was fighting as a Jr Welterweight vs Ali Funeka.
Where as when JMM moved up, he looked chubby around the midsection. And has no business moving up, Joan Guzman has had trouble making Lightweight limit for over 2 years.
And infact i thought he fought a good fight vs Ali Funeka, i mean with that attitude who would he get credit for fighting then ? you say Maidana is crap, Alexander has been exposed, so who is there then ?
I think Joan Guzman is one of the better opponents he could fight, except for a fight vs Timothy Bradley.
Plus his career hasn't been that hard, its not like he's been in wars like JMM. He's 34 but he's not an old 34, and he's only had 30 pro fights, i don't think he's worn out at all. And he still has some good fights left in him.
Infact there's good chance Joan Guzman could beat Amir Khan.
khan would get slated to high heaven Guzman needs to be tested at 140 before he even considers himself an option for Khan.
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skel1983
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ICB
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skel1983
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Originally Posted by
ICB
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Originally Posted by
ono
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Originally Posted by
ICB
How about Joan Guzman vs Amir Khan ? or even Kaizer Mabuza who upset Kendall Holt earlier in the year.
Guzma vs Khan would be great imo.
Never seen Mabuza fight, but you'd have to be really shit to have a win over Kendall Holt to be seen as an 'upset'. ;D
I agree it would be great, Joan Guzman has for certain outgrown the Lightweight division. Obviously with all the weight problems against Campbell/Funeka.
He's very skillful fighter, with some recognition.
And Amir Khan would get alot of credit if he won. I know i would give him alot of credit.
As for Kaizer Mabuza, to be honest i hadn't really heard of him either. Until the Kendall Holt fight, which is why i called it an upset. As it totally come out of nowhere, because people thought it was more like a warm up for Kendall Holt, to get ready for bigger and better fights.
But those two fights would make the most sense, there's few prospects with undefeated records. But they aren't really known and it would be a waste of time.
Although Lamont Peterson vs Amir Khan wouldn't be bad come to think of it.
Would he?? The guy is what 36/37 has shown no power since his days as a 126 lb fighter, I don't want to see that fight at all. Khan would get no credit at all, he wasn't getting slated for wanting to fight Marquez but you think fighting Guzman he would?
Because Joan Guzman has outgrown the Lightweight division, he's naturally Jr Welterweight now. He was fighting as a Jr Welterweight vs Ali Funeka.
Where as when JMM moved up, he looked chubby around the midsection. And has no business moving up, Joan Guzman has had trouble making Lightweight limit for over 2 years.
And infact i thought he fought a good fight vs Ali Funeka, i mean with that attitude who would he get credit for fighting then ? you say Maidana is crap, Alexander has been exposed, so who is there then ?
I think Joan Guzman is one of the better opponents he could fight, except for a fight vs Timothy Bradley.
Plus his career hasn't been that hard, its not like he's been in wars like JMM. He's 34 but he's not an old 34, and he's only had 30 pro fights, i don't think he's worn out at all. And he still has some good fights left in him.
Infact there's good chance Joan Guzman could beat Amir Khan.
khan would get slated to high heaven Guzman needs to be tested at 140 before he even considers himself an option for Khan.
Yeah that's true. I mean it seemed Nate Campbell had out-grown 135, but he has been utterly gash at 140.
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ICB
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skel1983
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ICB
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Originally Posted by
ono
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Originally Posted by
ICB
How about Joan Guzman vs Amir Khan ? or even Kaizer Mabuza who upset Kendall Holt earlier in the year.
Guzma vs Khan would be great imo.
Never seen Mabuza fight, but you'd have to be really shit to have a win over Kendall Holt to be seen as an 'upset'. ;D
I agree it would be great, Joan Guzman has for certain outgrown the Lightweight division. Obviously with all the weight problems against Campbell/Funeka.
He's very skillful fighter, with some recognition.
And Amir Khan would get alot of credit if he won. I know i would give him alot of credit.
As for Kaizer Mabuza, to be honest i hadn't really heard of him either. Until the Kendall Holt fight, which is why i called it an upset. As it totally come out of nowhere, because people thought it was more like a warm up for Kendall Holt, to get ready for bigger and better fights.
But those two fights would make the most sense, there's few prospects with undefeated records. But they aren't really known and it would be a waste of time.
Although Lamont Peterson vs Amir Khan wouldn't be bad come to think of it.
Would he?? The guy is what 36/37 has shown no power since his days as a 126 lb fighter, I don't want to see that fight at all. Khan would get no credit at all, he wasn't getting slated for wanting to fight Marquez but you think fighting Guzman he would?
Because Joan Guzman has outgrown the Lightweight division, he's naturally Jr Welterweight now. He was fighting as a Jr Welterweight vs Ali Funeka.
Where as when JMM moved up, he looked chubby around the midsection. And has no business moving up, Joan Guzman has had trouble making Lightweight limit for over 2 years.
And infact i thought he fought a good fight vs Ali Funeka, i mean with that attitude who would he get credit for fighting then ? you say Maidana is crap, Alexander has been exposed, so who is there then ?
I think Joan Guzman is one of the better opponents he could fight, except for a fight vs Timothy Bradley.
Plus his career hasn't been that hard, its not like he's been in wars like JMM. He's 34 but he's not an old 34, and he's only had 30 pro fights, i don't think he's worn out at all. And he still has some good fights left in him.
Infact there's good chance Joan Guzman could beat Amir Khan.
Guzman had over 300 amateur fights, he has constant hand trouble. Having said that, I agree he would be a good opponent for Khan.
Guzman's skill vs Khan's speed - goodnight Amir ;)
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How about Joan Guzman vs Amir Khan ? or even Kaizer Mabuza who upset Kendall Holt earlier in the year.
Guzma vs Khan would be great imo.
Never seen Mabuza fight, but you'd have to be really shit to have a win over Kendall Holt to be seen as an 'upset'. ;D
There are some excellent lighter weight South African fighters out there, usually give good account of themselves.
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Who has Khan fought? To say who gets paid what, Khan’s only highlighted wins are against the much smaller Barrera, fighting way above his fighting weight, again Khan had all the advantages size, reach, age,
and he won that by a head butt,
and the light punching Malignaggi, Khan does not have the punching power to trouble any of the current lightwelter champs; Khan has been nothing but Hype and spin since turning pro,
With or without Freddie Roach this man is a regular fighter. Nothing special. He can't beat Bradley or Alexander and doesn’t really have the stones for maidana. Khan has been forced to take the Maidana fight, how anyone can believe the shit coming from Khan’s mouth is beyond me, Khan is fast and throws allot of powder puff punchers, but no power be hide them, he has a glass chin, or he did have unless Freddy Roach waved a magic wand and toughed it up.
At 140 he tends to overwhelm opponent with punch volume rather than power.
I'd argue that's what Khan has done for pretty much most of his career...
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Who has Khan fought? To say who gets paid what, Khan’s only highlighted wins are against the much smaller Barrera, fighting way above his fighting weight, again Khan had all the advantages size, reach, age,
and he won that by a head butt,
and the light punching Malignaggi, Khan does not have the punching power to trouble any of the current lightwelter champs; Khan has been nothing but Hype and spin since turning pro,
With or without Freddie Roach this man is a regular fighter. Nothing special. He can't beat Bradley or Alexander and doesn’t really have the stones for maidana. Khan has been forced to take the Maidana fight, how anyone can believe the shit coming from Khan’s mouth is beyond me, Khan is fast and throws allot of powder puff punchers, but no power be hide them, he has a glass chin, or he did have unless Freddy Roach waved a magic wand and toughed it up.
At 140 he tends to overwhelm opponent with punch volume rather than power.
I'd argue that's what Khan has done for pretty much most of his career...
I'd argue that you're an idiot.
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How about Joan Guzman vs Amir Khan ? or even Kaizer Mabuza who upset Kendall Holt earlier in the year.
Guzma vs Khan would be great imo.
Never seen Mabuza fight, but you'd have to be really shit to have a win over Kendall Holt to be seen as an 'upset'. ;D
I agree it would be great, Joan Guzman has for certain outgrown the Lightweight division. Obviously with all the weight problems against Campbell/Funeka.
He's very skillful fighter, with some recognition.
And Amir Khan would get alot of credit if he won. I know i would give him alot of credit.
As for Kaizer Mabuza, to be honest i hadn't really heard of him either. Until the Kendall Holt fight, which is why i called it an upset. As it totally come out of nowhere, because people thought it was more like a warm up for Kendall Holt, to get ready for bigger and better fights.
But those two fights would make the most sense, there's few prospects with undefeated records. But they aren't really known and it would be a waste of time.
Although Lamont Peterson vs Amir Khan wouldn't be bad come to think of it.
Would he?? The guy is what 36/37 has shown no power since his days as a 126 lb fighter, I don't want to see that fight at all. Khan would get no credit at all, he wasn't getting slated for wanting to fight Marquez but you think fighting Guzman he would?
Because Joan Guzman has outgrown the Lightweight division, he's naturally Jr Welterweight now. He was fighting as a Jr Welterweight vs Ali Funeka.
Where as when JMM moved up, he looked chubby around the midsection. And has no business moving up, Joan Guzman has had trouble making Lightweight limit for over 2 years.
And infact i thought he fought a good fight vs Ali Funeka, i mean with that attitude who would he get credit for fighting then ? you say Maidana is crap, Alexander has been exposed, so who is there then ?
I think Joan Guzman is one of the better opponents he could fight, except for a fight vs Timothy Bradley.
Plus his career hasn't been that hard, its not like he's been in wars like JMM. He's 34 but he's not an old 34, and he's only had 30 pro fights, i don't think he's worn out at all. And he still has some good fights left in him.
Infact there's good chance Joan Guzman could beat Amir Khan.
Guzman had over 300 amateur fights, he has constant hand trouble. Having said that, I agree he would be a good opponent for Khan.
Guzman's skill vs Khan's speed - goodnight Amir ;)
I didn't know about his Amateur record, but i still think he's as good as any opponent Amir Khan could face at Jr Welterweight except Timothy Bradley.
As i said before who else really is there ? Devon Alexander has been exposed and has lost alot of hype, getting an underserving decision against Andriy Kotelnik.
Outside of his punching power, Marcos Rene Maidana isn't really much. I mean i understand why people want to see it, i do aswell because atleast there's that danger element with his power, plus i'd like to see if Amir Khan can beat a puncher fighting a smart fight.
I know he has improved somewhat with his defense and ETC, but again Kotelnik, Malignaggi. Are light hitters and Amir Khan did get caught quite a few times against those fighters, so i'd like to how Amir Khan dealt with the pressure and power of Marcos Rene Maidana.
But again there's no real mega opponent for him at moment except Timothy Bradley, but Amir Khan isn't ready for that fight yet.
So fighting Joan Guzman who doesn't carry a big punch, but has some good credentials and is a very skillful fighter. Who will test Amir Khan seems like an ideal opponent IMO.
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Who has Khan fought? To say who gets paid what, Khan’s only highlighted wins are against the much smaller Barrera, fighting way above his fighting weight, again Khan had all the advantages size, reach, age,
and he won that by a head butt,
and the light punching Malignaggi, Khan does not have the punching power to trouble any of the current lightwelter champs; Khan has been nothing but Hype and spin since turning pro,
With or without Freddie Roach this man is a regular fighter. Nothing special. He can't beat Bradley or Alexander and doesn’t really have the stones for maidana. Khan has been forced to take the Maidana fight, how anyone can believe the shit coming from Khan’s mouth is beyond me, Khan is fast and throws allot of powder puff punchers, but no power be hide them, he has a glass chin, or he did have unless Freddy Roach waved a magic wand and toughed it up.
At 140 he tends to overwhelm opponent with punch volume rather than power.
I'd argue that's what Khan has done for pretty much most of his career...
I'd argue that you're an idiot.
You must be a dickhead for believing all the shit coming from Khan , Your just another A mere Khon ball sucker,
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Who has Khan fought? To say who gets paid what, Khan’s only highlighted wins are against the much smaller Barrera, fighting way above his fighting weight, again Khan had all the advantages size, reach, age,
and he won that by a head butt,
and the light punching Malignaggi, Khan does not have the punching power to trouble any of the current lightwelter champs; Khan has been nothing but Hype and spin since turning pro,
With or without Freddie Roach this man is a regular fighter. Nothing special. He can't beat Bradley or Alexander and doesn’t really have the stones for maidana. Khan has been forced to take the Maidana fight, how anyone can believe the shit coming from Khan’s mouth is beyond me, Khan is fast and throws allot of powder puff punchers, but no power be hide them, he has a glass chin, or he did have unless Freddy Roach waved a magic wand and toughed it up.
At 140 he tends to overwhelm opponent with punch volume rather than power.
I'd argue that's what Khan has done for pretty much most of his career...
I'd argue that you're an idiot.
You must be a dickhead for believing all the shit coming from Khan , Your just another A mere Khon ball sucker,
Lol. It's not that. It's just i don't detract from a fighter because he wins by outpunching his opponent. Deary me.
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Fight confirmed. Definatley happening!
At least this will solve most the Khan arguments, chin, genuine contender at his weight.
It's gonna be a great fight and for once a fight all fans have been calling for
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Nice. When for?
December I think. Can't find it anywhere online, but I saw Khan talking about it on Skysports News
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Nice. When for?
December I think. Can't find it anywhere online, but I saw Khan talking about it on Skysports News
Nice. Someone will get stopped.
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Still not sure this is official James when did you here this mate? His Twitter has nothing.
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Last I heard it was going to a purse bid requested by Maidana a few days ago. The purse bid is suppose to be on the 21st I think.
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Who has Khan fought? To say who gets paid what, Khan’s only highlighted wins are against the much smaller Barrera, fighting way above his fighting weight, again Khan had all the advantages size, reach, age,
and he won that by a head butt,
and the light punching Malignaggi, Khan does not have the punching power to trouble any of the current lightwelter champs; Khan has been nothing but Hype and spin since turning pro,
With or without Freddie Roach this man is a regular fighter. Nothing special. He can't beat Bradley or Alexander and doesn’t really have the stones for maidana. Khan has been forced to take the Maidana fight, how anyone can believe the shit coming from Khan’s mouth is beyond me, Khan is fast and throws allot of powder puff punchers, but no power be hide them, he has a glass chin, or he did have unless Freddy Roach waved a magic wand and toughed it up.
At 140 he tends to overwhelm opponent with punch volume rather than power.
I'd argue that's what Khan has done for pretty much most of his career...
I'd argue that you're an idiot.
I wouldn't argue with that.
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Hordenboy
Who has Khan fought? To say who gets paid what, Khan’s only highlighted wins are against the much smaller Barrera, fighting way above his fighting weight, again Khan had all the advantages size, reach, age,
and he won that by a head butt,
and the light punching Malignaggi, Khan does not have the punching power to trouble any of the current lightwelter champs; Khan has been nothing but Hype and spin since turning pro,
With or without Freddie Roach this man is a regular fighter. Nothing special. He can't beat Bradley or Alexander and doesn’t really have the stones for maidana. Khan has been forced to take the Maidana fight, how anyone can believe the shit coming from Khan’s mouth is beyond me, Khan is fast and throws allot of powder puff punchers, but no power be hide them, he has a glass chin, or he did have unless Freddy Roach waved a magic wand and toughed it up.
At 140 he tends to overwhelm opponent with punch volume rather than power.
I'd argue that's what Khan has done for pretty much most of his career...
GAME. :rolleyes: Is that you?
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I think Khan is going to dominate Maidana, the holes are there and his last few performances even though they were knockouts have shown he is there to be countered there to be outboxed and there to be floored, the people he fought just weren't polished enough to do it. Maidana is more hype then people claim that Khan is and I think Khan will rpobably stop him rather then the other way around, bradley is a much better challenge imo but no one is quite ready for him just yet.
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Fight confirmed. Definatley happening!
At least this will solve most the Khan arguments, chin, genuine contender at his weight.
It's gonna be a great fight and for once a fight all fans have been calling for
I don't know if it will answer the questions surrounding his chin, I wouldn't be all that surprised if Maidana was unable to connect cleanly at all. He's not exactly known for his accuracy.
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TBH, I think with Khan and his chin issues, his potential would be that of a Terry Norris type of career, if he had a Manny or Floyd chin, it would have been a Leonard or De La Hoya type of career.
It really doesn't matter at this point if he doesn't fight Maidana and goes for an Erik Morales instead, because everyone knows about the susceptibility of his chin already, but best believe sooner or later he will have to fight someone with good power that's in their prime, and he may not be a crude fighter that is woefully unpolish like Maidana.
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TBH, I think with Khan and his chin issues, his potential would be that of a Terry Norris type of career, if he had a Manny or Floyd chin, it would have been a Leonard or De La Hoya type of career.
It really doesn't matter at this point if he doesn't fight Maidana and goes for an Erik Morales instead, because everyone knows about the susceptibility of his chin already, but best believe sooner or later he will have to fight someone with good power that's in their prime, and he may not be a crude fighter that is woefully unpolish like Maidana.
You seem to have changed your mind a tiny little bit on Khan. Your posts have been more balanced. I agree with everything you've said here. His chin will always be the problem. If he were to beat Maidana, the issue would still be there. IT would just mean he was 1-1 against 'punchers'.
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TBH, I think with Khan and his chin issues, his potential would be that of a Terry Norris type of career, if he had a Manny or Floyd chin, it would have been a Leonard or De La Hoya type of career.
It really doesn't matter at this point if he doesn't fight Maidana and goes for an Erik Morales instead, because everyone knows about the susceptibility of his chin already, but best believe sooner or later he will have to fight someone with good power that's in their prime, and he may not be a crude fighter that is woefully unpolish like Maidana.
Im sorry but i can't agree at all, i think i've been very fair regarding Amir Khan. And he is a good fighter, but now your comparing him to Terry Norris ?
Terry Norris is a great fighter, there's a big difference between good and great. When he got KO'ed by a big puncher like Julian Jackson. He got right back in there with another huge puncher in John Mugabi and destroyed him.
Terry Norris is considered one of the best Jr Middleweight's of all time, aswell as one of the most skillful fighters of the modern era.
He has wins over such fighters like.
Steve Little
John Mugabi
Sugar Ray Leonard
Donald Curry
Meldrick Taylor
Simon Brown
Buster Drayton
ETC.
But i had to check that comment again, when you said if Amir Khan had a solid chin. He could have a similar career to ODLH, SRL ? have i read that right ? are you kidding me ?
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TBH, I think with Khan and his chin issues, his potential would be that of a Terry Norris type of career, if he had a Manny or Floyd chin, it would have been a Leonard or De La Hoya type of career.
It really doesn't matter at this point if he doesn't fight Maidana and goes for an Erik Morales instead, because everyone knows about the susceptibility of his chin already, but best believe sooner or later he will have to fight someone with good power that's in their prime, and he may not be a crude fighter that is woefully unpolish like Maidana.
Im sorry but i can't agree at all, i think i've been very fair regarding Amir Khan. And he is a good fighter, but now your comparing him to Terry Norris ?
Terry Norris is a great fighter, there's a big difference between good and great. When he got KO'ed by a big puncher like Julian Jackson. He got right back in there with another huge puncher in John Mugabi and destroyed him.
Terry Norris is considered one of the best Jr Middleweight's of all time, aswell as one of the most skillful fighters of the modern era.
He has wins over such fighters like.
Steve Little
John Mugabi
Sugar Ray Leonard
Donald Curry
Meldrick Taylor
Simon Brown
Buster Drayton
ETC.
But i had to check that comment again, when you said if Amir Khan had a solid chin. He could have a similar career to ODLH, SRL ? have i read that right ? are you kidding me ?
Yes, I am correct in saying that Khan's career trajectory is that of a Terry Norris career. Again the keyword here is career. I am not comparing their fight styles. Meaning that Khan won't be a massive superstar in the sport but will just be a star like Norris in the boxing game with a few good names on the resume only because of the chin issues that also kept Norris from being massive. And also guys like Leonard, Taylor, and Mugabi on Norris resume were either shot, past their prime, or seriously on the decline.
And Yes career wise if he had Pacquiao's iron chin, he would have been potentially the UK's De La Hoya or Leonard. Khan naturally possess elite speed, good power, good mobility, good boxing ability, the height and frame at 5'10" just like ODL and SRL to move up multiple weight divisions, an exciting style, and lastly he also had a very good following after the Olympics just like those 2 and had the crossover mainstream ability, but the only thing Khan was missing was a iron chin. There was a reason why even SRL himself made the comparison, even other boxing pundits made that kind of analysis, of course this was before Khan got ko in 1 minute to a guy like Presscott.
