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Sad but true. Ward will get away with his holding and headbutting, Evander Holyfield style all night and Froch won't be able to do anything about it. I hope he at least gives Ward a hard shot to the nuts for his trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by #1FightFan
Ward has learnt to smother and hold to nulify an opponents work and compencate for that chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticYour right, you shouldn't read into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
pretty short punch too, not like there was any momentum
doubt you can read that much into it tho
Look at who Ward has fought over recent years.
Miranda, Kessler, Bika, Abraham and even Green.
All those guys have a good punch especially Abraham and Miranda.
None of those guys were able to hurt or drop Ward.
Maybe Froch has the power to hurt Ward but it's not likely imo.
Ward will UD him imo. It will be a tough but clear decision win for him.
Hopefully Froch has been working on not allowing him to do that.
Check this out. The final round of Ward v Bika. All Ward does is feign a jab to duck in and hold. Theres one point later in the round, close to the last minute where Bika is litterally draging Ward around to try and get him off of him! He was hurt!
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_u...?v=3xN-icKEntk
I think Ward wins, maybe even puts on a clinic
Not one of those guys ever cleanly hit Ward. I can't remember the round but I think Abraham connected once and Ward noticed. The reason why they didn't connect with Ward is because Ward is too slippery to hit. I'm not sure Froch can solve that puzzle.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticYour right, you shouldn't read into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
pretty short punch too, not like there was any momentum
doubt you can read that much into it tho
Look at who Ward has fought over recent years.
Miranda, Kessler, Bika, Abraham and even Green.
All those guys have a good punch especially Abraham and Miranda.
None of those guys were able to hurt or drop Ward.
Maybe Froch has the power to hurt Ward but it's not likely imo.
Ward will UD him imo. It will be a tough but clear decision win for him.
Ward is easy to beat every round.
Just use 4-5 light slap flurries every 20seconds and no one has ever done it cos they arnt smart enough.
Don't target wards head but go only to the body and u can't miss
I go for a MD for Froch.......but it will be controversial cause Froch should have got a Unanimous Pts Win
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that is excessive holding without a warningQuote:
Originally Posted by rossWard has learnt to smother and hold to nulify an opponents work and compencate for that chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticYour right, you shouldn't read into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
pretty short punch too, not like there was any momentum
doubt you can read that much into it tho
Look at who Ward has fought over recent years.
Miranda, Kessler, Bika, Abraham and even Green.
All those guys have a good punch especially Abraham and Miranda.
None of those guys were able to hurt or drop Ward.
Maybe Froch has the power to hurt Ward but it's not likely imo.
Ward will UD him imo. It will be a tough but clear decision win for him.
Hopefully Froch has been working on not allowing him to do that.
Check this out. The final round of Ward v Bika. All Ward does is feign a jab to duck in and hold. Theres one point later in the round, close to the last minute where Bika is litterally draging Ward around to try and get him off of him! He was hurt!
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
ward didnt look good at all in that fight
might be a daft thing to say but if the Ward Kessler fight hadnt have happened would ward still be the favourite?
I personally dont think so
You mean like if this fight took place before the Super 6? I think Froch would be the favorite, but Ward would be a very live dog and that a lot of pretty knowledgeable boxing fans would pick Ward to win. Most of us didn't know a ton about him before the tourny, but I remember some posters on here being really high on Ward even then.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
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Originally Posted by CFHYou mean like if this fight took place before the Super 6? I think Froch would be the favorite, but Ward would be a very live dog and that a lot of pretty knowledgeable boxing fans would pick Ward to win. Most of us didn't know a ton about him before the tourny, but I remember some posters on here being really high on Ward even then.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
no i mean if it were now but ward and kessler had never happened, so we were judging ward mainly on the miranda, green, bika and abraham fights
because miranda has been more soundly beaten as has green, bika and abraham
Thats right! Also, Kessler had only been beaten by someone fighting fire with fire, not by someone stopping his momentum by holding, grabbing and headbutting.
Ward would still be favored because Froch has lost half of his fights in this tournament. The "win" over Direll was the biggest hometown decision in the Super 6. The guy is tough and has a huge heart but is super-sloppy. The Froch/Kessler fight was the most amatuerish, sloppy fight I've seen in a long time between two supposedly elite fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHYou mean like if this fight took place before the Super 6? I think Froch would be the favorite, but Ward would be a very live dog and that a lot of pretty knowledgeable boxing fans would pick Ward to win. Most of us didn't know a ton about him before the tourny, but I remember some posters on here being really high on Ward even then.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
no i mean if it were now but ward and kessler had never happened, so we were judging ward mainly on the miranda, green, bika and abraham fights
because miranda has been more soundly beaten as has green, bika and abraham
Froch's win over Pascal is his only really commendable top-level victory. I don't count an exposed Abraham, a shot Taylor, or a shot Johnson for too much.
the dirrell fight is your opinion, i thought froch more than deserved to winQuote:
Originally Posted by shzaWard would still be favored because Froch has lost half of his fights in this tournament. The "win" over Direll was the biggest hometown decision in the Super 6. The guy is tough and has a huge heart but is super-sloppy. The Froch/Kessler fight was the most amatuerish, sloppy fight I've seen in a long time between two supposedly elite fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHYou mean like if this fight took place before the Super 6? I think Froch would be the favorite, but Ward would be a very live dog and that a lot of pretty knowledgeable boxing fans would pick Ward to win. Most of us didn't know a ton about him before the tourny, but I remember some posters on here being really high on Ward even then.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
no i mean if it were now but ward and kessler had never happened, so we were judging ward mainly on the miranda, green, bika and abraham fights
because miranda has been more soundly beaten as has green, bika and abraham
Froch's win over Pascal is his only really commendable top-level victory. I don't count an exposed Abraham, a shot Taylor, or a shot Johnson for too much.
you know before the abraham fight there werent many thinking froch would win
You must be joking.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
ha, never been more serious in my lifeQuote:
Originally Posted by shzaYou must be joking.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
erics44's is correct. many picked abraham. actually i believe the odds favored abraham before the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ha, never been more serious in my lifeQuote:
Originally Posted by shzaYou must be joking.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Yes Abraham was a slight favourite even with the British bookies for the Froch fight. 8/11 kind of odds he was. I also admit although pretty much a pick em, at that point in time pre fight I probably was edging towards an Abraham win.
Regarding the threads original question though, this match up does point toward a Ward Pts win. I thought Dirrell outpointed Froch (as did the majority) and Taylor would have outpointed him if it had gone the distance. If you had Froch beating Direll then ok but he still struggled bigtime with him. Dirrell and Taylor are both slick type boxers and Ward can do similar to them but is also better at mixing it. I think Froch is at his best when theres a clear fightplan to carry out (eg.Abraham, Johnson) but its hard to do that clear of a plan for Ward. Im a Froch fan and I hope he wins for sure but common sense points towards Ward winning more rounds than Froch, be it 7 or be it 9 or whatever. I wouldnt be a jot surprised should Froch make it real close and Ward gets a much disputed win however.
OK, I googled the odds and you guys are right that Abraham was a very slight favorite at match-time. That strikes me as absolutely crazy and I wish I'd have paid attention at the time and put money on it. Even aside from being thoroughly exposed against Dirrell, Abraham was always a pure, no-offense, punching-bag as long as they other guy was throwing. And as bad as Froch's "style" is, the guy can clearly stand and throw all day long. I didn't think it would even be close going into it (and, of course, it wasn't).
I think Froch has one option, which is to break the heart of Ward. He needs to be like Marvin Hagler just be relentless, we know Froch has a great chin he just needs top keep coming and landing punches. When Ward fought Bika he had the stomatch for it just, but you could tell Ward neither enjoyed nor relishes that kind of a fight.
I don't think Froch can knock out Ward, he throws his punches to sloppily.
The problem is I like and respect both fighters, it's a shame one has to lose after such a great boxing classic.
Bad style match up for Froch. Ward is gonna look great in this one. Dirrel isn't as tough or versatile as Ward is and he probably should have gotten the win in his fight with Froch. Ward is going to be able to outbox Froch pretty handily, and when they do fight inside I think Ward will surprise many and hold his own. Ward by UD, call it 9 rounds to 3 (maybe). I think both/either will destroy Bute.
I disagree that Abraham was thoroughly exposed against Dirrell. I actually thought Abraham was getting to Dirrell in the later rounds, which prior to Ward and Froch, was par for the course for Abraham. As evidence I would put forward that Abraham was actually the favorite going into the Froch fight, which occurred after the Dirrell fight. Most bettors saw Abraham have a strong surge at the end and that he was notorious for starting slow. Thus, he would start slow against Froch and then ko him during the later rounds. If I recall, Abraham put Dirrell down once and the ref missed it or maybe it was called a knockdown. Dirrell outboxed him though during the course of the whole bout.Quote:
Originally Posted by shza
if you read any of the threads on here about the froch abraham fight the vast majority were saying abraham would win
I would go as far as to say more people were backing abraham in that fight than are backing ward in this
Ward, because he's the better fighter.
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