I LIKE Tyson Fury- but Arreola, Jennings and/or Wilder STARCHES HIM!

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqIkCJaQ-6o

That was probably as hard as Cunningham could punch and just about as clean as he could land. If that's Price, Arreola, Stiverne, Povetkin (maybe), Haye, Wilder, Jennings, Pulev, Helenius, even Seth Mitchell, or any other true heavyweight with any bit of power, then Tyson Fury gets a 1 in the Loss column.

Tyson Fury is a fighter, he's gutsy, but he's not smart and that will catch up to him quickly

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I watched this fight and I saw this coming....

How fury didn't I will never know, it's so telegraphed.

Lets be fair.

Although Fury has faced good competition it wasnt great. Cunningham may be a small heavyweight but he is a heavyweight none the less and he is tough, never stopped and should have got the decision against Adamek.

Cunningham is probably the most capable, world class fighter that Fury has faced and he went in there full of himself and almost dismissed Cunningham because of his size. He has learnt a lesson that any fight from now on he cant afford to fuck around. He still did a job. These are the sorts of things we should be saying about Price, that he got up, regrouped and came back to win by KO but Price doesnt have Furys toughness or desire. Prices opponent came in in apalling shape and still did that. Cunningham came in great shape and off arguably his best career showing.

My point is, I think Fury underestimated Cunningham because he wasnt perceived as a puncher (although as someone pointed out earlier, he has something like a 50% KO ratio but given that hes been facing world class fighters from about his 15th fight that isnt bad) and the size advantage. You cant blame Fury for being too big, this is the heavyweight division and Mike Tyson fought and won with bigger heaight differences than this one.

Just look at how differently he fought Johnson. He saw Johnson as a bigger threat than Cunningham. He will improve on this.

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Originally Posted by ross

Lets be fair.

Although Fury has faced good competition it wasnt great. Cunningham may be a small heavyweight but he is a heavyweight none the less and he is tough, never stopped and should have got the decision against Adamek.

Cunningham is probably the most capable, world class fighter that Fury has faced and he went in there full of himself and almost dismissed Cunningham because of his size. He has learnt a lesson that any fight from now on he cant afford to fuck around. He still did a job. These are the sorts of things we should be saying about Price, that he got up, regrouped and came back to win by KO but Price doesnt have Furys toughness or desire. Prices opponent came in in apalling shape and still did that. Cunningham came in great shape and off arguably his best career showing.

My point is, I think Fury underestimated Cunningham because he wasnt perceived as a puncher (although as someone pointed out earlier, he has something like a 50% KO ratio but given that hes been facing world class fighters from about his 15th fight that isnt bad) and the size advantage. You cant blame Fury for being too big, this is the heavyweight division and Mike Tyson fought and won with bigger heaight differences than this one.

Just look at how differently he fought Johnson. He saw Johnson as a bigger threat than Cunningham. He will improve on this.

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You're a retard.

Price was up against one of the top Heavyweights, a genuine HW with genuine power, Tompson has more KOs than fury has fights.

And you wanna compare those two fights?


When Fury ejaculates do you spit or swallow?

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You're a retard.

Price was up against one of the top Heavyweights, a genuine HW with genuine power, Tompson has more KOs than fury has fights.

And you wanna compare those two fights?


When Fury ejaculates do you spit or swallow?

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He defends anyone named Tyson :-\


Fury has some skill, but he's not a smart fighter and as I've said before it will catch up with him. Tyson talks a bunch of shit and he put himself in a situation where he almost lost. The scores of the fight 56-56 and 55-57 twice in favor of Cunningham. Yes, yes the knock out was nice, but come on, would Cunningham beat many of the top 10 heavyweights? He didn't even have power as a cruiserweight much less as a heavyweight. Tyson Fury is a decent heavyweight but he's flawed...the fact he speaks like he's unbeatable should have some alarm bells ringing, he's got a ton of stuff to work on. Wlad would take him to school, no doubt in my mind about that and the power punchers ought to be licking their chops for a shot at him. I think Adamek would have a great chance even...Jonathan Banks would have a good shot too.

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Originally Posted by ross

Ali got dropped by Henry Cooper who was 185lbs! Imagine if Cunningham had caught him! They were both at the same stage in their careers.

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ahahhaha thats brilliant ! :cool:




well i dont think fury is that great and once he starts fighting the guys at the top of teh heavyweight division i tihnk he will lose... but he has improved a lot in the last 2 years(i tihnk).. who knows maybe he can get even better... although i am not so sure.. he did seem to throw a fair amount of punches and rough up cunningham well... he looked a bit tired but he was still in good condition from the looks of it... I dont think he is anywhere close to deserving a world titlefight yet though... i think get him in with some guys like eddie chambers and deontay wilder and see who gets t fight for the title

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Cunningham landed cleanly and if he had ANY power Fury never would have gotten back up

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Totally disagree with this. People insist on putting the "no power" label on Cunningham. He got in a beautiful shot on Fury. Give Fury credit for getting back up. Cunningham staggered him again later on. It was a short, powerful right hand delivered right on the sweet spot. Fury staggered, but fought on.

It's easy and a copout to say Cunningham has no power when he's fighting a 6'-9" behemoth.

That being said, Fury loses to a host of other HW contenders out there. Too raw and unpolished.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Cunningham landed cleanly and if he had ANY power Fury never would have gotten back up

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Totally disagree with this. People insist on putting the "no power" label on Cunningham. He got in a beautiful shot on Fury. Give Fury credit for getting back up. Cunningham staggered him again later on. It was a short, powerful right hand delivered right on the sweet spot. Fury staggered, but fought on.

It's easy and a copout to say Cunningham has no power when he's fighting a 6'-9" behemoth.

That being said, Fury loses to a host of other HW contenders out there. Too raw and unpolished.

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Fury has boxed well in other fights. To give credit to Ross, this seemed a little bit like Fury was trying to force his size and strength on Cunningham so much that he forgot his boxing. I thought this was a good, solid win for Fury. Because of his size, he'll always be a threat. If Arreola gets by Stiverne, I actually would be genuinely intrigued by an Arreola-Fury match-up. It can't be ignored that twice Fury has been put to the mat by guys not known as punchers. Wladimir and Haye don't have great chins, but in their defense, they are better boxers than Fury.

Tyson Fury fought recklessly but he has shown he can be disciplined and box when he wants to and as he did with Johnson. Fury would not use the same tactics against Haye, he would use his height and reach advantage and slowly bust up Haye and stop him. Tyson got carried away with his emotions against Steve and it was a learning experience for him which he will use to ensure he wins a world title.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Totally disagree with this. People insist on putting the "no power" label on Cunningham. He got in a beautiful shot on Fury. Give Fury credit for getting back up. Cunningham staggered him again later on. It was a short, powerful right hand delivered right on the sweet spot. Fury staggered, but fought on.

It's easy and a copout to say Cunningham has no power when he's fighting a 6'-9" behemoth.

That being said, Fury loses to a host of other HW contenders out there. Too raw and unpolished.

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Oh look TitoFan has disagreed with me.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6_1Pw1xm9U


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Steve Cunningham 25 wins 12 KO's for a KO% of 38.71%. Yes Cunningham is without a doubt the Bob Foster of his era :vd:


Tyson Fury CAN box, he's just too fucking stupid to take advantage of his natural gifts. You let him have a little trouble finding someone and he won't have an answer. Let him get counter punched a few times and he won't make any corrections and vs a true heavyweight with Steve Cunningham power :rolleyes: that is apparently dangerous, vs an even bigger puncher if those exist :shakehead: it's going to leave Tyson with a loss by KO....wait and see.

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Originally Posted by Master

Tyson Fury fought recklessly but he has shown he can be disciplined and box when he wants to and as he did with Johnson. Fury would not use the same tactics against Haye, he would use his height and reach advantage and slowly bust up Haye and stop him. Tyson got carried away with his emotions against Steve and it was a learning experience for him which he will use to ensure he wins a world title.

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It is easy to do this when there is nothing coming back. Johnson's whole act is attempting to win rounds by avoiding punches, but he doesn't throw them back. Tor Hamer looked great boxing Kevin Johnson for fucks sake. How is it that Fury's supporters can't see that he is avoiding punchers because they know he'll get knocked out. I still say David Price would flatten him. There is a reason he vacated the British title to fight Martin Rogan. Cunningham highlighted it once again.

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It is easy to do this when there is nothing coming back. Johnson's whole act is attempting to win rounds by avoiding punches, but he doesn't throw them back. Tor Hamer looked great boxing Kevin Johnson for fucks sake. How is it that Fury's supporters can't see that he is avoiding punchers because they know he'll get knocked out. I still say David Price would flatten him. There is a reason he vacated the British title to fight Martin Rogan. Cunningham highlighted it once again.

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Its unbelievable really...if Michael Grant fought Tyson Fury, it would be a close fight! Shannon Briggs would STILL BEAT Tyson Fury....Tyson Fury is a big dumb oaf and he's going to end up having his lights put out very soon.

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Originally Posted by gest12645

Jennings is way overated- Fury Ko's him
Arreola is a 50/50 fight imo
Wilder is still very untested but from what i've seen , I think he Ko's Fury

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I agree! Fury has to stay behind his jab more, losing focus or rushing in without the jab is a big no-no with the big punchers.
Fury has to stop using the forearm. If he fights in the US anymore, his forearm will get a lot of attention.
I'm still not sold on Wilder, but he seems to be taking bigger baby steps with Audley.

Sad state the heavy division is in when he's in the top ten, piss poor fighter who wouldn't have been anywhere near the top ten in the 90's.

A light punching blown up cruiser puts him on his arse, put him in with Wlad or Vit now & get it over with. Haye would give him a good chinning also but the rest of this division is sub par at best imo.

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Sad state the heavy division is in when he's in the top ten, piss poor fighter who wouldn't have been anywhere near the top ten in the 90's.

A light punching blown up cruiser puts him on his arse, put him in with Wlad or Vit now & get it over with. Haye would give him a good chinning also but the rest of this division is sub par at best imo.

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At the same stage of his career Ali had been dropped by Sonny Banks 191lb and Henry Cooper 185lb Then even when he had won the title he was dropped by Joe Frazier 205lb;D

All smaller men than Cunningham. Does this make Alis chin shit? In fact had the little bitches from here been around back then what would you have said about Cassius Clay, knocked down by 2 small men and getting a gift decision against Doug Jones?;)

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Sad state the heavy division is in when he's in the top ten, piss poor fighter who wouldn't have been anywhere near the top ten in the 90's.

A light punching blown up cruiser puts him on his arse, put him in with Wlad or Vit now & get it over with. Haye would give him a good chinning also but the rest of this division is sub par at best imo.

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At the same stage of his career Ali had been dropped by Sonny Banks 191lb and Henry Cooper 185lb Then even when he had won the title he was dropped by Joe Frazier 205lb;D

All smaller men than Cunningham. Does this make Alis chin shit? In fact had the little bitches from here been around back then what would you have said about Cassius Clay, knocked down by 2 small men and getting a gift decision against Doug Jones?;)

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Unlike Tyson Fury, Ali learned from his mistakes and added depth to his style....Tyson Fury is just a big dumb oaf of a fighter and a true boxer will hammer the dog shit out of him.

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Originally Posted by gest12645

Jennings is way overated- Fury Ko's him
Arreola is a 50/50 fight imo
Wilder is still very untested but from what i've seen , I think he Ko's Fury

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I agree! Fury has to stay behind his jab more, losing focus or rushing in without the jab is a big no-no with the big punchers.
Fury has to stop using the forearm. If he fights in the US anymore, his forearm will get a lot of attention.
I'm still not sold on Wilder, but he seems to be taking bigger baby steps with Audley.

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You guys have never reall SEEN Jennings fight. Sure, he doesn't have bone-crushing power. But he can take a punch- more than what Fury can dish out. Plus, and a BIG PLUS, he can throw punches in bunches and move all night- he has more stamina than Cunningham ever could have.

Fury won't get close to Jennings. And by the time Jennings swarms him and moves away, Fury may get in one good shot out of the 3-5 he may try to throw. But it won't be enough sustained pressure to back Jennings down.

Jennings will beat Fury in a lop-sided decision if they ever fought. Mark my word!

I want to see Jennings fight a guy that is significantly bigger than he is. Jennings has fast hands, decent pop, and he boxes well plus he's light on his feet so he's harder to find than most heavyweights. Fury seems to be like a baby Great Dane, he's just gangly and goofy and one of these days he'll walk himself into a situation where only bad things will happen to him. Guys like Fury should be more methodical in their approach......Manny Steward could have really helped him, but now I don't think anyone can.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

I want to see Jennings fight a guy that is significantly bigger than he is. Jennings has fast hands, decent pop, and he boxes well plus he's light on his feet so he's harder to find than most heavyweights. Fury seems to be like a baby Great Dane, he's just gangly and goofy and one of these days he'll walk himself into a situation where only bad things will happen to him. Guys like Fury should be more methodical in their approach......Manny Steward could have really helped him, but now I don't think anyone can.

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But that gangly goof wins... lololol....

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Sad state the heavy division is in when he's in the top ten, piss poor fighter who wouldn't have been anywhere near the top ten in the 90's.

A light punching blown up cruiser puts him on his arse, put him in with Wlad or Vit now & get it over with. Haye would give him a good chinning also but the rest of this division is sub par at best imo.

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At the same stage of his career Ali had been dropped by Sonny Banks 191lb and Henry Cooper 185lb Then even when he had won the title he was dropped by Joe Frazier 205lb;D

All smaller men than Cunningham. Does this make Alis chin shit? In fact had the little bitches from here been around back then what would you have said about Cassius Clay, knocked down by 2 small men and getting a gift decision against Doug Jones?;)

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So you are equating Tyson Fury with Muhammad Ali? That's really a fucked up viewpoint. I wasn't born when Clay/Ali was fighting in the 60's & this is one thing I will not do, try to predict history. I don't even do top 10 lists, h2h or p4p debates as they are fucking pointless (used to, but just waste's time that could be spent doing proper things, so don't now) but each to their own.

I'm not a fan of Fury although he's improve some from his early days but most fighters do. I don't know if you are from UK (I am) or elsewhere but I've seen enough of him over numerous fights to know he's a piss poor fighter who's taken his size & reasonable power to get by in a era when the heavyweights are dire.

Cunningham was decent cruiser but can you really say he has genuine heavyweight power, not for me. Fury has been rocked numerous times but his gangly size seems to get him by. Like I stated I would get him in with the Klit Bros or Haye & show him for what he is a hype job. Anyone decent with genuine power will beat him inside the distance.

I will say one thing, although he is awful he can be entertaining in fights in freak show way. That's just my take, maybe I'll be proved wrong but I doubt it.

If Valuev unretired I think that would be a freak show fight and almost a 50-50 match too. I'd pick Fury by TKO 8.


Jennings has a reasonable chance to stop Fury. Huck could give Fury Hell as could Adamek.


Haye should fight him!

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Sad state the heavy division is in when he's in the top ten, piss poor fighter who wouldn't have been anywhere near the top ten in the 90's.

A light punching blown up cruiser puts him on his arse, put him in with Wlad or Vit now & get it over with. Haye would give him a good chinning also but the rest of this division is sub par at best imo.

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At the same stage of his career Ali had been dropped by Sonny Banks 191lb and Henry Cooper 185lb Then even when he had won the title he was dropped by Joe Frazier 205lb;D

All smaller men than Cunningham. Does this make Alis chin shit? In fact had the little bitches from here been around back then what would you have said about Cassius Clay, knocked down by 2 small men and getting a gift decision against Doug Jones?;)

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So you are equating Tyson Fury with Muhammad Ali? That's really a fucked up viewpoint. I wasn't born when Clay/Ali was fighting in the 60's & this is one thing I will not do, try to predict history. I don't even do top 10 lists, h2h or p4p debates as they are fucking pointless (used to, but just waste's time that could be spent doing proper things, so don't now) but each to their own.

I'm not a fan of Fury although he's improve some from his early days but most fighters do. I don't know if you are from UK (I am) or elsewhere but I've seen enough of him over numerous fights to know he's a piss poor fighter who's taken his size & reasonable power to get by in a era when the heavyweights are dire.

Cunningham was decent cruiser but can you really say he has genuine heavyweight power, not for me. Fury has been rocked numerous times but his gangly size seems to get him by. Like I stated I would get him in with the Klit Bros or Haye & show him for what he is a hype job. Anyone decent with genuine power will beat him inside the distance.

I will say one thing, although he is awful he can be entertaining in fights in freak show way. That's just my take, maybe I'll be proved wrong but I doubt it.

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Hold on...

Cunningham doesnt have genuine heavyweight power?

Would you say a 185lb Henry Copper had real heavyweight power?

Or Joe Frazier who weighed 205lb (5lb less than a ripped Cunningham) had real heavyweight power? If Frazier fought today hed be in the cruiser division, just having to lose 5lb and he knocked down an undefeated Ali.

In the 70's, Cunningham wouldnt have had a cruiser division and would have been a heavyweight and he would have been regarded as a big heavyweight too. How many heavyweights back then were as ripped as he was at 210lb?

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Sad state the heavy division is in when he's in the top ten, piss poor fighter who wouldn't have been anywhere near the top ten in the 90's.

A light punching blown up cruiser puts him on his arse, put him in with Wlad or Vit now & get it over with. Haye would give him a good chinning also but the rest of this division is sub par at best imo.

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At the same stage of his career Ali had been dropped by Sonny Banks 191lb and Henry Cooper 185lb Then even when he had won the title he was dropped by Joe Frazier 205lb;D

All smaller men than Cunningham. Does this make Alis chin shit? In fact had the little bitches from here been around back then what would you have said about Cassius Clay, knocked down by 2 small men and getting a gift decision against Doug Jones?;)

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So you are equating Tyson Fury with Muhammad Ali? That's really a fucked up viewpoint. I wasn't born when Clay/Ali was fighting in the 60's & this is one thing I will not do, try to predict history. I don't even do top 10 lists, h2h or p4p debates as they are fucking pointless (used to, but just waste's time that could be spent doing proper things, so don't now) but each to their own.

I'm not a fan of Fury although he's improve some from his early days but most fighters do. I don't know if you are from UK (I am) or elsewhere but I've seen enough of him over numerous fights to know he's a piss poor fighter who's taken his size & reasonable power to get by in a era when the heavyweights are dire.

Cunningham was decent cruiser but can you really say he has genuine heavyweight power, not for me. Fury has been rocked numerous times but his gangly size seems to get him by. Like I stated I would get him in with the Klit Bros or Haye & show him for what he is a hype job. Anyone decent with genuine power will beat him inside the distance.

I will say one thing, although he is awful he can be entertaining in fights in freak show way. That's just my take, maybe I'll be proved wrong but I doubt it.

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Hold on...

Cunningham doesnt have genuine heavyweight power?

Would you say a 185lb Henry Copper had real heavyweight power?

Or Joe Frazier who weighed 205lb (5lb less than a ripped Cunningham) had real heavyweight power? If Frazier fought today hed be in the cruiser division, just having to lose 5lb and he knocked down an undefeated Ali.

In the 70's, Cunningham wouldnt have had a cruiser division and would have been a heavyweight and he would have been regarded as a big heavyweight too. How many heavyweights back then were as ripped as he was at 210lb?

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Yeah, Cooper & Frazier had Heavyweight power because they were heavyweights, as you stated there was no cruiser as that time. Many old heavy's would be at cruiser nowadays but I'm a traditionalist so would go back to 8 divisions so the cruiserweight division would be redundant.

Cunningham is modern fighter so was able to fight in the cruiser division, I can't debate about if he was in the 70's because he wasn't. Ok, I made an assumption about Fury in the 90's which went against the grain of what I normally do but I lived through the 90's & the heavy's of that period were arguably the second deepest in terms of quality after the 70's.

Steve has a 38.71% KO ratio but if you look at his record he scored more decisions against top graders than KO's with the exception of Huck who was stopped in the 12th & Ross (who beat Hernandez imo) by genuine KO. I like Steve as a fighter but he's not really a banger tbh.

I just think Fury has come along at a time when the division is at it's weakest, arguably the worst ever, his size makes him awkward & reasonable power will see him through fights, but against quality opposition (not a lot at moment) he's going to struggle because his chin is not great. Basically I've not bought into the hype!

I havent bought in to any hype either. He is what he is. I agree he is limited but its his work ethic and desire to actually fight that I have become a fan of. He is the most watchable heavy in the world right now. The lead up to his fights are entertaining and watching the fight you see an effort too. Even if it means he risks losing, he puts it on the line and pushes himself.

Wlad has proved he can be consistant and carefull but with each fight Fury is learning more and getting tougher to beat for either Klitschko.

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I havent bought in to any hype either. He is what he is. I agree he is limited but its his work ethic and desire to actually fight that I have become a fan of. He is the most watchable heavy in the world right now. The lead up to his fights are entertaining and watching the fight you see an effort too. Even if it means he risks losing, he puts it on the line and pushes himself.

Wlad has proved he can be consistant and carefull but with each fight Fury is learning more and getting tougher to beat for either Klitschko.

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It's his chin that's the trouble, always has been for me. Yeah he's put some exciting fights but some have been dull. Who knows, maybe he will be the champ, just don't see it against the K's

Look at someone Like Naseem Hamed, he got dropped by non punchers but stood up to some decent punchers without going down. Its as much to do with their concentration. Alot of the time had anyone else got caught with the same shot they would also have gone down but fighters who put it all on the line are going to get hit. They are getting caught because they have no respect for the fighters they are facing and arent using their boxing attributes. When Fury clicks and puts it all together he has the potential to be an extremely difficult fight for Wlad.

At least hes not like Harrison who has all the tools and skill in the world but just cannot impose it on any dangerous opponents because he is not fearless like Fury.

A few things @ross...

#1 Just because Cunningham weighed over 200 pounds doesn't automatically turn him into Earnie Shavers (211 pounds or there abouts), Rocky Marciano (circa 188 pounds), or Mike Tyson (about 218 pounds)...Cunningham just can't punch which is why he only KO'd 38% of his opponents at cruiserweight. What he would have done in the 1970's if he had a time machine is irrelevant, you may as well say "Well if he fought Tyson Fury on the Moon things would have been different"

#2 You can be big and ripped and not have huge power....Juan Urango was built like a mini-Mike Tyson and he was just a pressure fighter, not a power puncher.

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At least hes not like Harrison who has all the tools and skill in the world but just cannot impose it on any dangerous opponents because he is not fearless like Fury.

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There's a very fine line between fearless and stupid and from what I've seen Tyson Fury ain't that bright

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Look at someone Like Naseem Hamed, he got dropped by non punchers but stood up to some decent punchers without going down. Its as much to do with their concentration. Alot of the time had anyone else got caught with the same shot they would also have gone down but fighters who put it all on the line are going to get hit. They are getting caught because they have no respect for the fighters they are facing and arent using their boxing attributes. When Fury clicks and puts it all together he has the potential to be an extremely difficult fight for Wlad.

At least hes not like Harrison who has all the tools and skill in the world but just cannot impose it on any dangerous opponents because he is not fearless like Fury.

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There's plenty of fighter's that may be called chinny, depends on the shot they took & recuperative powers. If Cunningham could have landed cleanly after he scored the knockdown it would have been a lot different imo. He didn't so moot point but he wobbled him again in the 3rd.

I have to disagree with you on Wlad. He's methodical, yeah boring but has the tools to back up his record. I watched Fury's fights since the beginning but still think he will be exposed against someone decent.

Not gonna argue on Ordinary Harrison, didn't like him at all, that's all I can say. He's not worth writing about

Wlad beats Fury with ease...Wlad is too skilled at the technical aspects of boxing to have trouble with Fury who although is quite a large fellow is not a very good boxer from the sweet science perspective. Fury CAN change, he's got plenty of time to, but he'll never be on Wladimir's level......NEVER.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Wlad beats Fury with ease...Wlad is too skilled at the technical aspects of boxing to have trouble with Fury who although is quite a large fellow is not a very good boxer from the sweet science perspective. Fury CAN change, he's got plenty of time to, but he'll never be on Wladimir's level......NEVER.

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Well yeah, hed have to get knocked out by a few journeymen first;)

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Look at someone Like Naseem Hamed, he got dropped by non punchers but stood up to some decent punchers without going down. Its as much to do with their concentration. Alot of the time had anyone else got caught with the same shot they would also have gone down but fighters who put it all on the line are going to get hit. They are getting caught because they have no respect for the fighters they are facing and arent using their boxing attributes. When Fury clicks and puts it all together he has the potential to be an extremely difficult fight for Wlad.

At least hes not like Harrison who has all the tools and skill in the world but just cannot impose it on any dangerous opponents because he is not fearless like Fury.

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I agree that Fury's chin ain't as bad as most make out, however, if Fury had been caught with a running-jump overhand right smash from Naz he'd have never got up. Fact.

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Well yeah, hed have to get knocked out by a few journeymen first;)

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Be patient, that'll happen

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Sad state the heavy division is in when he's in the top ten, piss poor fighter who wouldn't have been anywhere near the top ten in the 90's.

A light punching blown up cruiser puts him on his arse, put him in with Wlad or Vit now & get it over with. Haye would give him a good chinning also but the rest of this division is sub par at best imo.

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At the same stage of his career Ali had been dropped by Sonny Banks 191lb and Henry Cooper 185lb Then even when he had won the title he was dropped by Joe Frazier 205lb;D

All smaller men than Cunningham. Does this make Alis chin shit? In fact had the little bitches from here been around back then what would you have said about Cassius Clay, knocked down by 2 small men and getting a gift decision against Doug Jones?;)

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So you are equating Tyson Fury with Muhammad Ali? That's really a fucked up viewpoint. I wasn't born when Clay/Ali was fighting in the 60's & this is one thing I will not do, try to predict history. I don't even do top 10 lists, h2h or p4p debates as they are fucking pointless (used to, but just waste's time that could be spent doing proper things, so don't now) but each to their own.

I'm not a fan of Fury although he's improve some from his early days but most fighters do. I don't know if you are from UK (I am) or elsewhere but I've seen enough of him over numerous fights to know he's a piss poor fighter who's taken his size & reasonable power to get by in a era when the heavyweights are dire.

Cunningham was decent cruiser but can you really say he has genuine heavyweight power, not for me. Fury has been rocked numerous times but his gangly size seems to get him by. Like I stated I would get him in with the Klit Bros or Haye & show him for what he is a hype job. Anyone decent with genuine power will beat him inside the distance.

I will say one thing, although he is awful he can be entertaining in fights in freak show way. That's just my take, maybe I'll be proved wrong but I doubt it.

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Cunningham doesnt have genuine heavyweight power?

Would you say a 185lb Henry Copper had real heavyweight power?

Or Joe Frazier who weighed 205lb (5lb less than a ripped Cunningham) had real heavyweight power? If Frazier fought today hed be in the cruiser division, just having to lose 5lb and he knocked down an undefeated Ali.

In the 70's, Cunningham wouldnt have had a cruiser division and would have been a heavyweight and he would have been regarded as a big heavyweight too. How many heavyweights back then were as ripped as he was at 210lb?

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This small HW with not much power dropped a 6'9 Fury , the fact is, to anyone on here who isnt either called fury , or isnt bumming him , he got floored by a light puncher.
So lets see him get in with a big puncher at HW , fury going down doesnt mean Cunnigham was a puncher , is reflects the fact fury has a dodgy chin.

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Sad state the heavy division is in when he's in the top ten, piss poor fighter who wouldn't have been anywhere near the top ten in the 90's.

A light punching blown up cruiser puts him on his arse, put him in with Wlad or Vit now & get it over with. Haye would give him a good chinning also but the rest of this division is sub par at best imo.

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At the same stage of his career Ali had been dropped by Sonny Banks 191lb and Henry Cooper 185lb Then even when he had won the title he was dropped by Joe Frazier 205lb;D

All smaller men than Cunningham. Does this make Alis chin shit? In fact had the little bitches from here been around back then what would you have said about Cassius Clay, knocked down by 2 small men and getting a gift decision against Doug Jones?;)

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So you are equating Tyson Fury with Muhammad Ali? That's really a fucked up viewpoint. I wasn't born when Clay/Ali was fighting in the 60's & this is one thing I will not do, try to predict history. I don't even do top 10 lists, h2h or p4p debates as they are fucking pointless (used to, but just waste's time that could be spent doing proper things, so don't now) but each to their own.

I'm not a fan of Fury although he's improve some from his early days but most fighters do. I don't know if you are from UK (I am) or elsewhere but I've seen enough of him over numerous fights to know he's a piss poor fighter who's taken his size & reasonable power to get by in a era when the heavyweights are dire.

Cunningham was decent cruiser but can you really say he has genuine heavyweight power, not for me. Fury has been rocked numerous times but his gangly size seems to get him by. Like I stated I would get him in with the Klit Bros or Haye & show him for what he is a hype job. Anyone decent with genuine power will beat him inside the distance.

I will say one thing, although he is awful he can be entertaining in fights in freak show way. That's just my take, maybe I'll be proved wrong but I doubt it.

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Hold on...

Cunningham doesnt have genuine heavyweight power?

Would you say a 185lb Henry Copper had real heavyweight power?

Or Joe Frazier who weighed 205lb (5lb less than a ripped Cunningham) had real heavyweight power? If Frazier fought today hed be in the cruiser division, just having to lose 5lb and he knocked down an undefeated Ali.

In the 70's, Cunningham wouldnt have had a cruiser division and would have been a heavyweight and he would have been regarded as a big heavyweight too. How many heavyweights back then were as ripped as he was at 210lb?

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This small HW with not much power dropped a 6'9 Fury , the fact is, to anyone on here who isnt either called fury , or isnt bumming him , he got floored by a light puncher.
So lets see him get in with a big puncher at HW , fury going down doesnt mean Cunnigham was a puncher , is reflects the fact fury has a dodgy chin.

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Isnt Price supposed to be huge puncher?

Well he has already fought and landed punches on Fury and this was a 17 year old inexperienced boy. Price was an experienced 22 year old man who was regularly fighting at international, world level.

It was Price who got dropped in that fight, not Fury;D

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Look at someone Like Naseem Hamed, he got dropped by non punchers but stood up to some decent punchers without going down. Its as much to do with their concentration. Alot of the time had anyone else got caught with the same shot they would also have gone down but fighters who put it all on the line are going to get hit. They are getting caught because they have no respect for the fighters they are facing and arent using their boxing attributes. When Fury clicks and puts it all together he has the potential to be an extremely difficult fight for Wlad.

At least hes not like Harrison who has all the tools and skill in the world but just cannot impose it on any dangerous opponents because he is not fearless like Fury.

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I agree that Fury's chin ain't as bad as most make out, however, if Fury had been caught with a running-jump overhand right smash from Naz he'd have never got up. Fact.

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Look at someone Like Naseem Hamed, he got dropped by non punchers but stood up to some decent punchers without going down. Its as much to do with their concentration. Alot of the time had anyone else got caught with the same shot they would also have gone down but fighters who put it all on the line are going to get hit. They are getting caught because they have no respect for the fighters they are facing and arent using their boxing attributes. When Fury clicks and puts it all together he has the potential to be an extremely difficult fight for Wlad.

At least hes not like Harrison who has all the tools and skill in the world but just cannot impose it on any dangerous opponents because he is not fearless like Fury.

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I agree that Fury's chin ain't as bad as most make out, however, if Fury had been caught with a running-jump overhand right smash from Naz he'd have never got up. Fact.

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Isnt Price supposed to be huge puncher?

Well he has already fought and landed punches on Fury and this was a 17 year old inexperienced boy. Price was an experienced 22 year old man who was regularly fighting at international, world level.

It was Price who got dropped in that fight, not Fury;D

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Bigger gloves, headgear.....those COULD have played a part in Fury not getting knocked down and nobody is talking about Price's dodgey chin. Just because a sneeze makes David Price wobbly it doesn't make Fury's chin any great shakes.

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Isnt Price supposed to be huge puncher?

Well he has already fought and landed punches on Fury and this was a 17 year old inexperienced boy. Price was an experienced 22 year old man who was regularly fighting at international, world level.

It was Price who got dropped in that fight, not Fury;D

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Bigger gloves, headgear.....those COULD have played a part in Fury not getting knocked down and nobody is talking about Price's dodgey chin. Just because a sneeze makes David Price wobbly it doesn't make Fury's chin any great shakes.

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Gloves are the same size. No im not comparing Prices waterford crystal to Furys chin but Price is supposedly a massive puncher but he couldnt dent Fury in their fight. Either Furys chin isnt as bad as people are saying or he didnt fight like a twat against Price. Either way it shows that against a big accurate puncher, hes not automatically going to be dropped.

Tyson Fury has not had to pay much of a price for the mistakes he has made in his fights....eventually he will. Cunningham was also up on the cards when Fury stopped him....that doesn't bode well for his future. Sure you can say "Fury needed a KO and got it" but Tyson put himself in a bad situation vs a cruiserweight and my point is that fighters like Wladimir don't put themselves in bad positions, they put their opponents in bad positions.

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Look at someone Like Naseem Hamed, he got dropped by non punchers but stood up to some decent punchers without going down. Its as much to do with their concentration. Alot of the time had anyone else got caught with the same shot they would also have gone down but fighters who put it all on the line are going to get hit. They are getting caught because they have no respect for the fighters they are facing and arent using their boxing attributes. When Fury clicks and puts it all together he has the potential to be an extremely difficult fight for Wlad.

At least hes not like Harrison who has all the tools and skill in the world but just cannot impose it on any dangerous opponents because he is not fearless like Fury.

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I agree that Fury's chin ain't as bad as most make out, however, if Fury had been caught with a running-jump overhand right smash from Naz he'd have never got up. Fact.

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"Running jump?" Naz would make it, well maybe with a springboard

It's not just about Fury's chin. He often punches with all the power of an anorexic with flu. He doesn't have the huge power he thinks he does. He takes forever against fighters that even a China eared Price would have blown out in minutes.