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From a promoter's point of view, Fury-Wilder makes little sense right now. Each is still building momentum in what could be stellar careers, on opposite sides of the pond. Each has still to cut their teeth on more credible opposition, although slow progress is being made at each end. Better to gradually improve their opposition, and build up toward a mega HW slugger showdown sometime next year, provided neither of them stumbles, or remains inactive for too long.
Fury has done more than any other heavy in the world in the last 12 months beating two top heavies.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Pulev has only fought once looking very mediocre against Thompson and Stiverne has also only had one fight. Haye hasnt fought at all and Wilder has faced 4 opponents but none of them ranked, in fact 2 were retired;D
People seem to dismiss what Fury is doing because its Fury but he is legitimately ranked and has done more than most and if Haye hadn't pulled out he'd have done more than everyone;)
Cunningham and Johnson (Or Maddalone) are top heavies? That doesn't make Fury good, that just proves how shitty this HW era is.
Again, if Fury has accomplished so much, then why hasn't he fought Thompson, Pulev, or Price?
Fury would destroy Wilder. Too much experience.
Thompson was viewed as a soft touch, so much so he was being brought in as a name opponent for someone who hadnt fought above british journeyman level. The fact he beat Price shows how shit Price is and proves people like me right that knew there was a reason the level of opponent was platauing for a reason and that Thompson was a ridiculous jump in class.Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Pulev struggled with Thompson and was made to look mediocre.
Fury on the other hand had an easier time with Johnson than Vitali did and even Malik Scott has said that when asked how good Fury is (he has sparred afury and admitted Fury burst both his ear drums in sparring).
Cunningham would be a 220 to 230lb fighter if he carried as much fat as Haye. He is a very skilled fighter and should have been given the decision over Adamek who is ranked by some in the top 5 and battered Arreola.
Fury is doing the business against those who are willing to fight him. Arreola was one of the names who turned the fight down which is why Fury had to go with Cunningham. Believe what you want but Fury is in the who needs him club. As easy as you lt think he is to beat, no one wants to fight him because he is a nightmare for anyone. He has good stamina and puts more than one or two punches together and can fight inside. Hes still learning, hasnt even fought for a title yet but his progression has been very good. He was put in with the english champion after only 8 months as a pro, some felt he lost and he rematched him and knocked him out. It took Prices team 3 years before they thought their man could be trusted against the same fighter. His progression was glacial for a reason. Price and Haye couldnt not get past their first hurdles.
For those of you here who know SEANIE , then im afraid to announce he has just lost his title to this guy . :LOLATYOU:Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThompson was viewed as a soft touch, so much so he was being brought in as a name opponent for someone who hadnt fought above british journeyman level. The fact he beat Price shows how shit Price is and proves people like me right that knew there was a reason the level of opponent was platauing for a reason and that Thompson was a ridiculous jump in class.Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Pulev struggled with Thompson and was made to look mediocre.
Fury on the other hand had an easier time with Johnson than Vitali did and even Malik Scott has said that when asked how good Fury is (he has sparred afury and admitted Fury burst both his ear drums in sparring).
Cunningham would be a 220 to 230lb fighter if he carried as much fat as Haye. He is a very skilled fighter and should have been given the decision over Adamek who is ranked by some in the top 5 and battered Arreola.
Fury is doing the business against those who are willing to fight him. Arreola was one of the names who turned the fight down which is why Fury had to go with Cunningham. Believe what you want but Fury is in the who needs him club. As easy as you lt think he is to beat, no one wants to fight him because he is a nightmare for anyone. He has good stamina and puts more than one or two punches together and can fight inside. Hes still learning, hasnt even fought for a title yet but his progression has been very good. He was put in with the english champion after only 8 months as a pro, some felt he lost and he rematched him and knocked him out. It took Prices team 3 years before they thought their man could be trusted against the same fighter. His progression was glacial for a reason. Price and Haye couldnt not get past their first hurdles.
Al your just annoyed because you cant refute any of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlFor those of you here who know SEANIE , then im afraid to announce he has just lost his title to this guy . :LOLATYOU:Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThompson was viewed as a soft touch, so much so he was being brought in as a name opponent for someone who hadnt fought above british journeyman level. The fact he beat Price shows how shit Price is and proves people like me right that knew there was a reason the level of opponent was platauing for a reason and that Thompson was a ridiculous jump in class.Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Pulev struggled with Thompson and was made to look mediocre.
Fury on the other hand had an easier time with Johnson than Vitali did and even Malik Scott has said that when asked how good Fury is (he has sparred afury and admitted Fury burst both his ear drums in sparring).
Cunningham would be a 220 to 230lb fighter if he carried as much fat as Haye. He is a very skilled fighter and should have been given the decision over Adamek who is ranked by some in the top 5 and battered Arreola.
Fury is doing the business against those who are willing to fight him. Arreola was one of the names who turned the fight down which is why Fury had to go with Cunningham. Believe what you want but Fury is in the who needs him club. As easy as you lt think he is to beat, no one wants to fight him because he is a nightmare for anyone. He has good stamina and puts more than one or two punches together and can fight inside. Hes still learning, hasnt even fought for a title yet but his progression has been very good. He was put in with the english champion after only 8 months as a pro, some felt he lost and he rematched him and knocked him out. It took Prices team 3 years before they thought their man could be trusted against the same fighter. His progression was glacial for a reason. Price and Haye couldnt not get past their first hurdles.
Fury has earnt his place and has "world" champs like Haye worrying about a cut when its only going to take 2 rounds to dispatch Fury. He wasn't going to even land a shot.
You seem to be taking the cancelation of the fight as a win for Fury , that is pretty puzzling , the fight didn't happen and your opinion isn't shared by anyone apart from titofan and a few others , the rest of us just think it was a cut in sparring.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossAl your just annoyed because you cant refute any of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlFor those of you here who know SEANIE , then im afraid to announce he has just lost his title to this guy . :LOLATYOU:Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThompson was viewed as a soft touch, so much so he was being brought in as a name opponent for someone who hadnt fought above british journeyman level. The fact he beat Price shows how shit Price is and proves people like me right that knew there was a reason the level of opponent was platauing for a reason and that Thompson was a ridiculous jump in class.Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Pulev struggled with Thompson and was made to look mediocre.
Fury on the other hand had an easier time with Johnson than Vitali did and even Malik Scott has said that when asked how good Fury is (he has sparred afury and admitted Fury burst both his ear drums in sparring).
Cunningham would be a 220 to 230lb fighter if he carried as much fat as Haye. He is a very skilled fighter and should have been given the decision over Adamek who is ranked by some in the top 5 and battered Arreola.
Fury is doing the business against those who are willing to fight him. Arreola was one of the names who turned the fight down which is why Fury had to go with Cunningham. Believe what you want but Fury is in the who needs him club. As easy as you lt think he is to beat, no one wants to fight him because he is a nightmare for anyone. He has good stamina and puts more than one or two punches together and can fight inside. Hes still learning, hasnt even fought for a title yet but his progression has been very good. He was put in with the english champion after only 8 months as a pro, some felt he lost and he rematched him and knocked him out. It took Prices team 3 years before they thought their man could be trusted against the same fighter. His progression was glacial for a reason. Price and Haye couldnt not get past their first hurdles.
Fury has earnt his place and has "world" champs like Haye worrying about a cut when its only going to take 2 rounds to dispatch Fury. He wasn't going to even land a shot.
If Haye cut himself then that is a disgrace but there is no evidence of it.
As for fury give him a title shot against Wlad for me , because the first puncher he meets he will lose as he has a glass jaw , I've stated many times that I actually don't like Haye either , id be cheering for either of the brothers grim against Haye or fury.
Im not taking ut as a win for Fury.
In fact I'm pretty sure there are a few sighs of relief in here that Fury has had his chance to beat Haye taken away from him because it would turn all their beliefs and what they thought was their knowledge of boxing on its head that Fury was capable of beating Haye or that theyd been conned in to thinking Haye was a great fighter that would never lose to such a fool and would have such an easy time the fight would end inside 2 rounds;)
The people who believed Fury would win are you and a few others , the bookies hade Haye favourite , and most boxing pundits favoured Haye .Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
So the rest of the world where wrong to favour Haye ? , interesting thought , did you even feel the need to visit planet earth ?
The bookies are going on past achievements but arent looking at the tangibles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlThe people who believed Fury would win are you and a few others , the bookies hade Haye favourite , and most boxing pundits favoured Haye .Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
So the rest of the world where wrong to favour Haye ? , interesting thought , did you even feel the need to visit planet earth ?
Like why Haye only fought certain people, scraped past Valuev and didnt really deserve the win, how poor he looked against Wlad, regardless of result how shaky he was looking against Chisora, a man Fury had beaten a couple of years before hand when Fury was out of shape, the amount of down time hes had. Or... how in reality, huge and difficult it will be to land on a switched on Fury and if Haye doesnt stop him early how will he cope with Furys size, workrate and stamina late on.
Everyone, is gong on a knockdown that happened just seconds in to the second round against Cunningham. Fuck the fact that he was still there in the 7th and was the first man to KO Steve.....
Like I have said before, what would the bookmakers have thought about Cassius Clay who had been dropped twice against Sonny Banks and Henry Cooper who weighed 195lb and 185lb and was gifted a decision against Doug Jones. What odds would they have given for him facing the monster Sonny Liston?
Are you for real ?, im stating fact you are not , if we took SADDO'S as an example.
We all like boxing , so out of all of our opinions most people thought Haye would win by KO , well that would be similar whoever you asked , like any survey , you ask so many people for their opinion.
Those are the facts , you are in a minority , its opinions , until they fight we will never know who is right.
Get over it , you are making yourself look like a teen , by constantly going over old ground.
An example of an expert asked , Colin Hart from the Sun , he said he just couldn't see Fury's chin holding up against a big puncher , that's his opinion , Haye by early ko.
You constantly find fault with Haye's win column yet he was world champ at 2 weights , yet you big up Johnson , Cunnigham , yet one had lost all but one round to Vitali and then to Tor Hamer , Cunnigham had lost 3 of his last 4 going into the Fury fight that's what the record books say.
You are totally in love with Fury you talk no sense. Most of us here don't care for Haye much either , but you just cant see how daft you sound.
When Fury going in with a really big puncher and wins , you can come on here and big him up , until then let keep it in prospective please.
Perspective, I may be quite strongly behind Fury in this fight but thats for the reasons mentioned. I think he has Hayes number.
I dont lambast or criticise anyone for believing otherwise unlike you and others on here in a weird cliquey group where no one else is allowed a differing opinion.
If it was a Klitschko or Pulev I may feel different but the fact Haye is a puncher didnt help him on Wlads chin which is just as poor as Furys.
As for me bigging up Johnson and Cunningham, those two also beat Hayes heavyweight wins.
Yes that is a fact but all that means is Haye has hand picked his opponents also , it doesn't mean Fury is a fucking world beater.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
The fact of the matter is Haye has beaten guys holding a world title , yes a weaker champ at HW than the brothers grim , but until Fury actually goes in with a world class hitter the jury is out on him.
Also as for Wlad having as weak a chin as Fury , Wlad has got off the floor against world class punchers like Sam Peter and won , or are you saying Wlad would have been floored by Cunnigham or Nevan Pajkic ?
FACT
Ok, you agree that Cunnngham and Johnson beat Ruiz, Harrison and Chisora but those fighters are people that Haye faced AFTER wining a title... Fury is still building up to a title shot and hasnt even been a pro 5 years yet. So Tyson is beating better fighters now than Haye is after 12 years as a pro! Fury beat Chisora while he was still fucking aroud and not in shape and only being a pro 3 years. Haye had the advantage of being pro for 11 years when he fought Chisora.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlYes that is a fact but all that means is Haye has hand picked his opponents also , it doesn't mean Fury is a fucking world beater.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
The fact of the matter is Haye has beaten guys holding a world title , yes a weaker champ at HW than the brothers grim , but until Fury actually goes in with a world class hitter the jury is out on him.
Also as for Wlad having as weak a chin as Fury , Wlad has got off the floor against world class punchers like Sam Peter and won , or are you saying Wlad would have been floored by Cunnigham or Nevan Pajkic ?
FACT
Tyson has tried to get other world class fighters in with him but a few of them turned down the offer on his last fight and cunningham was the only one with the bollocks to tale the fight. In the press conference where Fury, Nazim Richardson and Cunningham were arguing, Cunningham admitted that alot of other fighters tiuned the fight down because they were scared to fight a "giant" fury mentioned names like Wilder, Arreola and Stiverne but it wasnt made clear whether they were the ones offered the fight.
Wlad's chin is equal to Fury's ? that's what you are saying right ?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossOk, you agree that Cunnngham and Johnson beat Ruiz, Harrison and Chisora but those fighters are people that Haye faced AFTER wining a title... Fury is still building up to a title shot and hasnt even been a pro 5 years yet. So Tyson is beating better fighters now than Haye is after 12 years as a pro! Fury beat Chisora while he was still fucking aroud and not in shape and only being a pro 3 years. Haye had the advantage of being pro for 11 years when he fought Chisora.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlYes that is a fact but all that means is Haye has hand picked his opponents also , it doesn't mean Fury is a fucking world beater.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
The fact of the matter is Haye has beaten guys holding a world title , yes a weaker champ at HW than the brothers grim , but until Fury actually goes in with a world class hitter the jury is out on him.
Also as for Wlad having as weak a chin as Fury , Wlad has got off the floor against world class punchers like Sam Peter and won , or are you saying Wlad would have been floored by Cunnigham or Nevan Pajkic ?
FACT
Tyson has tried to get other world class fighters in with him but a few of them turned down the offer on his last fight and cunningham was the only one with the bollocks to tale the fight. In the press conference where Fury, Nazim Richardson and Cunningham were arguing, Cunningham admitted that alot of other fighters tiuned the fight down because they were scared to fight a "giant" fury mentioned names like Wilder, Arreola and Stiverne but it wasnt made clear whether they were the ones offered the fight.
Chris Areola afraid of Tyson Fury? At the time he might have been afraid ofmissing a meal but afraid of Tyson Fury?
I guess if Fury says so it must be true.
Cunningham and Johnson beat Ruiz Chisora and Harrison? They might do,they're all 50/50 fights at a glance. They're all in the pool of fighters underWlad that are all pretty much on par.
It doesn’t matter if you've been around 5 minutes or a hundred years. Onceyou've graduated from beating local stiffs you've got to be fighting thesekinds of fighters, there are no other alternatives.
Fury fighting them now opposed to Haye fighting them after X amount of yearsas a pro is irrelevant. How they dispatch them.....sure that’s more telling.
For what its worth Haye is a twat for allowing this to happen so close to fight night. I've no idea who this bloke is who's supposed to have nutted him. If he's sparring this close to the fight it should have been light and with an experienced hand. There are no excuses.
So you now believe everything a fighter says during a heated press conference ? Cunnigham knows that others where offered the fight how ? where is the proof , and do you not think that makes Cunnigham sound better saying he was the only one who would take the fight ?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossOk, you agree that Cunnngham and Johnson beat Ruiz, Harrison and Chisora but those fighters are people that Haye faced AFTER wining a title... Fury is still building up to a title shot and hasnt even been a pro 5 years yet. So Tyson is beating better fighters now than Haye is after 12 years as a pro! Fury beat Chisora while he was still fucking aroud and not in shape and only being a pro 3 years. Haye had the advantage of being pro for 11 years when he fought Chisora.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlYes that is a fact but all that means is Haye has hand picked his opponents also , it doesn't mean Fury is a fucking world beater.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
The fact of the matter is Haye has beaten guys holding a world title , yes a weaker champ at HW than the brothers grim , but until Fury actually goes in with a world class hitter the jury is out on him.
Also as for Wlad having as weak a chin as Fury , Wlad has got off the floor against world class punchers like Sam Peter and won , or are you saying Wlad would have been floored by Cunnigham or Nevan Pajkic ?
FACT
Tyson has tried to get other world class fighters in with him but a few of them turned down the offer on his last fight and cunningham was the only one with the bollocks to tale the fight. In the press conference where Fury, Nazim Richardson and Cunningham were arguing, Cunningham admitted that alot of other fighters tiuned the fight down because they were scared to fight a "giant" fury mentioned names like Wilder, Arreola and Stiverne but it wasnt made clear whether they were the ones offered the fight.
Fuck me you only believe anything that suits your point of view , whether there is any truth in it at all , did you believe Mike Tyson was really going to go and eat Lennox Lewis's children ?:LOLATYOU:
You seem to believe everything Haye wants you to;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlSo you now believe everything a fighter says during a heated press conference ? Cunnigham knows that others where offered the fight how ? where is the proof , and do you not think that makes Cunnigham sound better saying he was the only one who would take the fight ?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossOk, you agree that Cunnngham and Johnson beat Ruiz, Harrison and Chisora but those fighters are people that Haye faced AFTER wining a title... Fury is still building up to a title shot and hasnt even been a pro 5 years yet. So Tyson is beating better fighters now than Haye is after 12 years as a pro! Fury beat Chisora while he was still fucking aroud and not in shape and only being a pro 3 years. Haye had the advantage of being pro for 11 years when he fought Chisora.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlYes that is a fact but all that means is Haye has hand picked his opponents also , it doesn't mean Fury is a fucking world beater.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
The fact of the matter is Haye has beaten guys holding a world title , yes a weaker champ at HW than the brothers grim , but until Fury actually goes in with a world class hitter the jury is out on him.
Also as for Wlad having as weak a chin as Fury , Wlad has got off the floor against world class punchers like Sam Peter and won , or are you saying Wlad would have been floored by Cunnigham or Nevan Pajkic ?
FACT
Tyson has tried to get other world class fighters in with him but a few of them turned down the offer on his last fight and cunningham was the only one with the bollocks to tale the fight. In the press conference where Fury, Nazim Richardson and Cunningham were arguing, Cunningham admitted that alot of other fighters tiuned the fight down because they were scared to fight a "giant" fury mentioned names like Wilder, Arreola and Stiverne but it wasnt made clear whether they were the ones offered the fight.
Fuck me you only believe anything that suits your point of view , whether there is any truth in it at all , did you believe Mike Tyson was really going to go and eat Lennox Lewis's children ?:LOLATYOU:
He wanted to prolong his training because he's not ready and knows Fury is more dangerous than he will let on. As Bunce and others have said, its the only excuse that can reasonably be used this late.
i dont think that is a fact, johnson isnt busy enough to beat either ruiz or valuev and it would be pretty close between him and barrett, I might even favour barrett, i certainly wouldnt put any money on johnsonQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlYes that is a fact but all that means is Haye has hand picked his opponents also , it doesn't mean Fury is a fucking world beater.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
The fact of the matter is Haye has beaten guys holding a world title , yes a weaker champ at HW than the brothers grim , but until Fury actually goes in with a world class hitter the jury is out on him.
Also as for Wlad having as weak a chin as Fury , Wlad has got off the floor against world class punchers like Sam Peter and won , or are you saying Wlad would have been floored by Cunnigham or Nevan Pajkic ?
FACT
cunningham might have the speed to beat valuev, it would be a fairly close fight, again if i had to put my money on someone it would be valuev, and again i think ruiz would beat him
neither haye nor fury have a partivularly amazing record in terms of the oppenents they have faced at HW when you consider that they are both considered world class amongst the current crop
Hayes record at HW is better than Furys tho, especially when you consider the magnitude and location of his fights
one more thing, i think audley harrison would have a good chance against johnson, in fact i would back him :)
I didn't mention Haye at all , please tell me when I mentioned Haye in my last post ? you didn't address anything I just posted , you just go back to the hear say crap you have been talking about since Saturday.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossYou seem to believe everything Haye wants you to;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlSo you now believe everything a fighter says during a heated press conference ? Cunnigham knows that others where offered the fight how ? where is the proof , and do you not think that makes Cunnigham sound better saying he was the only one who would take the fight ?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossOk, you agree that Cunnngham and Johnson beat Ruiz, Harrison and Chisora but those fighters are people that Haye faced AFTER wining a title... Fury is still building up to a title shot and hasnt even been a pro 5 years yet. So Tyson is beating better fighters now than Haye is after 12 years as a pro! Fury beat Chisora while he was still fucking aroud and not in shape and only being a pro 3 years. Haye had the advantage of being pro for 11 years when he fought Chisora.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlYes that is a fact but all that means is Haye has hand picked his opponents also , it doesn't mean Fury is a fucking world beater.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
The fact of the matter is Haye has beaten guys holding a world title , yes a weaker champ at HW than the brothers grim , but until Fury actually goes in with a world class hitter the jury is out on him.
Also as for Wlad having as weak a chin as Fury , Wlad has got off the floor against world class punchers like Sam Peter and won , or are you saying Wlad would have been floored by Cunnigham or Nevan Pajkic ?
FACT
Tyson has tried to get other world class fighters in with him but a few of them turned down the offer on his last fight and cunningham was the only one with the bollocks to tale the fight. In the press conference where Fury, Nazim Richardson and Cunningham were arguing, Cunningham admitted that alot of other fighters tiuned the fight down because they were scared to fight a "giant" fury mentioned names like Wilder, Arreola and Stiverne but it wasnt made clear whether they were the ones offered the fight.
Fuck me you only believe anything that suits your point of view , whether there is any truth in it at all , did you believe Mike Tyson was really going to go and eat Lennox Lewis's children ?:LOLATYOU:
He wanted to prolong his training because he's not ready and knows Fury is more dangerous than he will let on. As Bunce and others have said, its the only excuse that can reasonably be used this late.
you are off your fucking head , I didn't talk about Haye in my last point I made, as far as im concerned Haye is a prick , but you have no evidence of anything , why don't you wait till fury fights and beats a fucking good fighter with power , then you can spout your bullshit.
And for the record I wanna see Haye fight a dangerman also , someone who can press him and hit him hard.
Im not having a go at your boyfriend Fury , im talking about boxing in general.
As for the title of this thread, Peter Fury has said they asked sky if they would take Wilder as a replacement for this Saturday but they refused.
Its got to be true if Peter Fury said it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
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Originally Posted by ross
You're shit scared of your upcoming opponent and want out of the fight. Doyou
A) cut yourself, above the eye of all places. Let’s also consider what avain cunt Haye is.
Or
B) tear a muscle with no visible sign of injury?
Injury is the only option this late but lets be sensible about it. If its as calculated as you think surely someone would have suggested something other than letting a big lump stick the nut on him.
Dont forget we are talking about the boy who cried wolf. He knows how an invisible ijury will go down.
As for Fury asking Sky to accept Wilder for Saturday, its on twitter for the whole world to see. If its shit then someone from sky will say it is.
Was Wilder even fully fit to fight on Friday ?
who was he meant to fight on Friday before Fury offered him the fight contract ?
please can someone answer this ?
Just so we're clear, you're comparing Wladimir Klitschko and Steve Cunningham as equal benchmarks? ??? :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Why worry about an injury being invisible or not when people won't even believe a gaping wound?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
I don't know, apparently everyone was being pushed hard in training in the Haye camp so why wouldn't he be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
You mean Saturday right?
No you silly little sausage:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBJust so we're clear, you're comparing Wladimir Klitschko and Steve Cunningham as equal benchmarks? ??? :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
He lost to his first hurdle Thompson;)
Furys first ex world champion he knocked out;D
Yes I mean Saturday , sparring with Haye doesn't make you fight fit , if Wilder was on the undercard then yes he could take the fight , but if he wasn't then how can he be properly prepared ?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossI don't know, apparently everyone was being pushed hard in training in the Haye camp so why wouldn't he be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
You mean Saturday right?
not possible.
I understand that BUT if Fury is so crap and Wilder was so sure of himself it would make a good fight.
His last fight was only 6 weeks ago and hes been in the Haye camp for about 4 weeks staying fit and sharp in sparring. What a way to leap frog in the rankings;)
lol at Wilder being a PPV replacement for Haye. The whole reason the fight is PPV has pulled out but we'll just go ahead with it anyway ;D You guys...
This Ross is where you make yourself look very silly , at what point did Wilder or his camp state in the press that Fury is crap ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
They both got floored by a cruiserweight, they both looked shite in those respective fights: Haye punching himself out and Fury having to use illegal tactics to floor the older, smaller man.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossNo you silly little sausage:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBJust so we're clear, you're comparing Wladimir Klitschko and Steve Cunningham as equal benchmarks? ??? :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
He lost to his first hurdle Thompson;)
Furys first ex world champion he knocked out;D
I don't know that you can take much from either fight. The difference being that Thompson wasn't Haye's last fight, Cunningham was Fury's most recent fight, he has a way to go yet.
Also Ross, to help you look less stupid - wilder is a sparring partner in Haye's camp... This doesn't make him fight ready in several regards.
a) wilder has been fighting against a mobile, small heavy... What tactics will he have sharpened that would be relative to fighting a lanky fighter exactly? :rolleyes:
b) being a sparring partner doesn't make you ring fit, if Haye spars 8 rounds then Wilder would likely end up doing 2 rounds (probably not in a row). Sparring partners are there to be mixed and matched to suit the session's goals. You've seriously never heard of a round robin?!?
c) wilder won't be pushing himself hard enough to be at peak conditioning in strength and condition sessions - his job is to be fresh enough to challenge david Haye in sparring, not fatigue himself getting fit.
You really need to have a bit more knowledge before saying things like 'wilder fought six weeks ago and has been sparring for four, he is fight fit'
and as had been said - this event was set up as PPV, Wilder is up and coming and fury isn't good enough to carry a PPV event by himself (only you and his uncles/cousins would pay)
So no response to Wider being 100% fit to fight ?, well at least team fury can talk big about something else.
Also no evidence of Wilder or his team ever calling fury crap in the press either.
It looks Adam like we are correct , the lack of response speaks for itself.
Seems like only a few of us deal in facts.
Hahaha!
You lot make me laugh!
Its like a little knitting circle, book club or grannies having afternoon tea. It looks like that doesnt it Adam;D
But still no facts concerning Wilder?
Also you think that a sparring partner , who happens to be an unbeaten prospect , is as fighting fit as a guy who has trained for 12 weeks , why would Wilder step in if he isn't ready to fight ? that sums you up.
I am a boxing fan as are many here , you a blinkered fury fan , who never responds to posts that find holes in your point of view.
As for a knitting circle we are just boxing fans, the majority of us are here .
As for your logic let me try it -
Fury beat a guy with 3 losses in 4 , then he fought a light punching CW , then he signs to fight another blow up CW in David Haye , Haye then pulls out because of the fact fury is just to big.
Why doesn't fury fight a tall natural HW with world class power, is he afraid ?.
see its easy when you use your bullshit logic.
You stated when challenged about Wilder not being fight fit , " why does he take the fight anyway if fury is so crap "
I then asked based on you comment , where and when in the press did Wilder or his team , say fury is crap ?
Still waiting for your answer.
Fact,
Your a broken record!
It was you that said Fury is crap, not Wilder. If in your eyes Fury is so crap and im pretty sure youv said Wilder knocks him out, why cant the fight happen? Now your changing your view and making reasons that Wilder shouldn't take the fight:rolleyes:;D
Wilder has said he would accept the fight, the only obstacle is sky. They don't think Wilder is high profile enough.
Also, you aren't just boxing fans because you cannot accept any differing opinion without holding hands in you knitting group and talking shit. It is like eastsideboxing here because of a few.
Ill tell you now, there are far more people/members on here that think Fury will beat Haye but will not comment because they don't want to have abuse shot at them by the usual shitty little suspects. Theres only a handfull of you but because barely any of the membership post. Looks like this sites popular opinion which is sad for the site.
Maybe its just my posts that get shot down I dont know, I cant really see from another perspective but anything I say, anything, gets picked apart with ridiculous reasons and childish shit and then you all look for back up on it "dont you think Adam";D
You wont be happy until there is about half a dozen of you to hold hands without interruption. Why not make your own little group and bugger off where you would be happy in an exclusive sub forum within saddos where no one can disturb you by disagreeing with you and dont forget I can see the hidden forums Al before you make another thread about me;) No you didn't realise I could see it otherwise you wouldnt have gone to the effort of putting it in the hidden forums;D