Fury v Wilder on B-Hop undercard...?

[Dark Lord Al]

Cunningham and Johnson (Or Maddalone) are top heavies? That doesn't make Fury good, that just proves how shitty this HW era is.

Again, if Fury has accomplished so much, then why hasn't he fought Thompson, Pulev, or Price?

Thompson was viewed as a soft touch, so much so he was being brought in as a name opponent for someone who hadnt fought above british journeyman level. The fact he beat Price shows how shit Price is and proves people like me right that knew there was a reason the level of opponent was platauing for a reason and that Thompson was a ridiculous jump in class.

Pulev struggled with Thompson and was made to look mediocre.

Fury on the other hand had an easier time with Johnson than Vitali did and even Malik Scott has said that when asked how good Fury is (he has sparred afury and admitted Fury burst both his ear drums in sparring).

Cunningham would be a 220 to 230lb fighter if he carried as much fat as Haye. He is a very skilled fighter and should have been given the decision over Adamek who is ranked by some in the top 5 and battered Arreola.

Fury is doing the business against those who are willing to fight him. Arreola was one of the names who turned the fight down which is why Fury had to go with Cunningham. Believe what you want but Fury is in the who needs him club. As easy as you lt think he is to beat, no one wants to fight him because he is a nightmare for anyone. He has good stamina and puts more than one or two punches together and can fight inside. Hes still learning, hasnt even fought for a title yet but his progression has been very good. He was put in with the english champion after only 8 months as a pro, some felt he lost and he rematched him and knocked him out. It took Prices team 3 years before they thought their man could be trusted against the same fighter. His progression was glacial for a reason. Price and Haye couldnt not get past their first hurdles.

For those of you here who know SEANIE , then im afraid to announce he has just lost his title to this guy .

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Cunningham and Johnson (Or Maddalone) are top heavies? That doesn't make Fury good, that just proves how shitty this HW era is.

Again, if Fury has accomplished so much, then why hasn't he fought Thompson, Pulev, or Price?

Thompson was viewed as a soft touch, so much so he was being brought in as a name opponent for someone who hadnt fought above british journeyman level. The fact he beat Price shows how shit Price is and proves people like me right that knew there was a reason the level of opponent was platauing for a reason and that Thompson was a ridiculous jump in class.

Pulev struggled with Thompson and was made to look mediocre.

Fury on the other hand had an easier time with Johnson than Vitali did and even Malik Scott has said that when asked how good Fury is (he has sparred afury and admitted Fury burst both his ear drums in sparring).

Cunningham would be a 220 to 230lb fighter if he carried as much fat as Haye. He is a very skilled fighter and should have been given the decision over Adamek who is ranked by some in the top 5 and battered Arreola.

Fury is doing the business against those who are willing to fight him. Arreola was one of the names who turned the fight down which is why Fury had to go with Cunningham. Believe what you want but Fury is in the who needs him club. As easy as you lt think he is to beat, no one wants to fight him because he is a nightmare for anyone. He has good stamina and puts more than one or two punches together and can fight inside. Hes still learning, hasnt even fought for a title yet but his progression has been very good. He was put in with the english champion after only 8 months as a pro, some felt he lost and he rematched him and knocked him out. It took Prices team 3 years before they thought their man could be trusted against the same fighter. His progression was glacial for a reason. Price and Haye couldnt not get past their first hurdles.

For those of you here who know SEANIE , then im afraid to announce he has just lost his title to this guy .

Al your just annoyed because you cant refute any of that.

Fury has earnt his place and has "world" champs like Haye worrying about a cut when its only going to take 2 rounds to dispatch Fury. He wasn't going to even land a shot.

[Dark Lord Al]

Cunningham and Johnson (Or Maddalone) are top heavies? That doesn't make Fury good, that just proves how shitty this HW era is.

Again, if Fury has accomplished so much, then why hasn't he fought Thompson, Pulev, or Price?

Thompson was viewed as a soft touch, so much so he was being brought in as a name opponent for someone who hadnt fought above british journeyman level. The fact he beat Price shows how shit Price is and proves people like me right that knew there was a reason the level of opponent was platauing for a reason and that Thompson was a ridiculous jump in class.

Pulev struggled with Thompson and was made to look mediocre.

Fury on the other hand had an easier time with Johnson than Vitali did and even Malik Scott has said that when asked how good Fury is (he has sparred afury and admitted Fury burst both his ear drums in sparring).

Cunningham would be a 220 to 230lb fighter if he carried as much fat as Haye. He is a very skilled fighter and should have been given the decision over Adamek who is ranked by some in the top 5 and battered Arreola.

Fury is doing the business against those who are willing to fight him. Arreola was one of the names who turned the fight down which is why Fury had to go with Cunningham. Believe what you want but Fury is in the who needs him club. As easy as you lt think he is to beat, no one wants to fight him because he is a nightmare for anyone. He has good stamina and puts more than one or two punches together and can fight inside. Hes still learning, hasnt even fought for a title yet but his progression has been very good. He was put in with the english champion after only 8 months as a pro, some felt he lost and he rematched him and knocked him out. It took Prices team 3 years before they thought their man could be trusted against the same fighter. His progression was glacial for a reason. Price and Haye couldnt not get past their first hurdles.

For those of you here who know SEANIE , then im afraid to announce he has just lost his title to this guy .

Al your just annoyed because you cant refute any of that.

Fury has earnt his place and has "world" champs like Haye worrying about a cut when its only going to take 2 rounds to dispatch Fury. He wasn't going to even land a shot.

You seem to be taking the cancelation of the fight as a win for Fury , that is pretty puzzling , the fight didn't happen and your opinion isn't shared by anyone apart from titofan and a few others , the rest of us just think it was a cut in sparring.
If Haye cut himself then that is a disgrace but there is no evidence of it.
As for fury give him a title shot against Wlad for me , because the first puncher he meets he will lose as he has a glass jaw , I've stated many times that I actually don't like Haye either , id be cheering for either of the brothers grim against Haye or fury.

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Im not taking ut as a win for Fury.

In fact I'm pretty sure there are a few sighs of relief in here that Fury has had his chance to beat Haye taken away from him because it would turn all their beliefs and what they thought was their knowledge of boxing on its head that Fury was capable of beating Haye or that theyd been conned in to thinking Haye was a great fighter that would never lose to such a fool and would have such an easy time the fight would end inside 2 rounds

[Dark Lord Al]

Im not taking ut as a win for Fury.

In fact I'm pretty sure there are a few sighs of relief in here that Fury has had his chance to beat Haye taken away from him because it would turn all their beliefs and what they thought was their knowledge of boxing on its head that Fury was capable of beating Haye or that theyd been conned in to thinking Haye was a great fighter that would never lose to such a fool and would have such an easy time the fight would end inside 2 rounds

The people who believed Fury would win are you and a few others , the bookies hade Haye favourite , and most boxing pundits favoured Haye .
So the rest of the world where wrong to favour Haye ? , interesting thought , did you even feel the need to visit planet earth ?

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Im not taking ut as a win for Fury.

In fact I'm pretty sure there are a few sighs of relief in here that Fury has had his chance to beat Haye taken away from him because it would turn all their beliefs and what they thought was their knowledge of boxing on its head that Fury was capable of beating Haye or that theyd been conned in to thinking Haye was a great fighter that would never lose to such a fool and would have such an easy time the fight would end inside 2 rounds

The people who believed Fury would win are you and a few others , the bookies hade Haye favourite , and most boxing pundits favoured Haye .
So the rest of the world where wrong to favour Haye ? , interesting thought , did you even feel the need to visit planet earth ?

The bookies are going on past achievements but arent looking at the tangibles.

Like why Haye only fought certain people, scraped past Valuev and didnt really deserve the win, how poor he looked against Wlad, regardless of result how shaky he was looking against Chisora, a man Fury had beaten a couple of years before hand when Fury was out of shape, the amount of down time hes had. Or... how in reality, huge and difficult it will be to land on a switched on Fury and if Haye doesnt stop him early how will he cope with Furys size, workrate and stamina late on.

Everyone, is gong on a knockdown that happened just seconds in to the second round against Cunningham. Fuck the fact that he was still there in the 7th and was the first man to KO Steve.....

Like I have said before, what would the bookmakers have thought about Cassius Clay who had been dropped twice against Sonny Banks and Henry Cooper who weighed 195lb and 185lb and was gifted a decision against Doug Jones. What odds would they have given for him facing the monster Sonny Liston?

[Dark Lord Al]

Are you for real ?, im stating fact you are not , if we took SADDO'S as an example.
We all like boxing , so out of all of our opinions most people thought Haye would win by KO , well that would be similar whoever you asked , like any survey , you ask so many people for their opinion.
Those are the facts , you are in a minority , its opinions , until they fight we will never know who is right.
Get over it , you are making yourself look like a teen , by constantly going over old ground.
An example of an expert asked , Colin Hart from the Sun , he said he just couldn't see Fury's chin holding up against a big puncher , that's his opinion , Haye by early ko.
You constantly find fault with Haye's win column yet he was world champ at 2 weights , yet you big up Johnson , Cunnigham , yet one had lost all but one round to Vitali and then to Tor Hamer , Cunnigham had lost 3 of his last 4 going into the Fury fight that's what the record books say.
You are totally in love with Fury you talk no sense. Most of us here don't care for Haye much either , but you just cant see how daft you sound.
When Fury going in with a really big puncher and wins , you can come on here and big him up , until then let keep it in prospective please.

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Perspective, I may be quite strongly behind Fury in this fight but thats for the reasons mentioned. I think he has Hayes number.

I dont lambast or criticise anyone for believing otherwise unlike you and others on here in a weird cliquey group where no one else is allowed a differing opinion.

If it was a Klitschko or Pulev I may feel different but the fact Haye is a puncher didnt help him on Wlads chin which is just as poor as Furys.

As for me bigging up Johnson and Cunningham, those two also beat Hayes heavyweight wins.

[Dark Lord Al]

Perspective, I may be quite strongly behind Fury in this fight but thats for the reasons mentioned. I think he has Hayes number.

I dont lambast or criticise anyone for believing otherwise unlike you and others on here in a weird cliquey group where no one else is allowed a differing opinion.

If it was a Klitschko or Pulev I may feel different but the fact Haye is a puncher didnt help him on Wlads chin which is just as poor as Furys.

As for me bigging up Johnson and Cunningham, those two also beat Hayes heavyweight wins.

Yes that is a fact but all that means is Haye has hand picked his opponents also , it doesn't mean Fury is a fucking world beater.
The fact of the matter is Haye has beaten guys holding a world title , yes a weaker champ at HW than the brothers grim , but until Fury actually goes in with a world class hitter the jury is out on him.
Also as for Wlad having as weak a chin as Fury , Wlad has got off the floor against world class punchers like Sam Peter and won , or are you saying Wlad would have been floored by Cunnigham or Nevan Pajkic ?

FACT

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Perspective, I may be quite strongly behind Fury in this fight but thats for the reasons mentioned. I think he has Hayes number.

I dont lambast or criticise anyone for believing otherwise unlike you and others on here in a weird cliquey group where no one else is allowed a differing opinion.

If it was a Klitschko or Pulev I may feel different but the fact Haye is a puncher didnt help him on Wlads chin which is just as poor as Furys.

As for me bigging up Johnson and Cunningham, those two also beat Hayes heavyweight wins.

Yes that is a fact but all that means is Haye has hand picked his opponents also , it doesn't mean Fury is a fucking world beater.
The fact of the matter is Haye has beaten guys holding a world title , yes a weaker champ at HW than the brothers grim , but until Fury actually goes in with a world class hitter the jury is out on him.
Also as for Wlad having as weak a chin as Fury , Wlad has got off the floor against world class punchers like Sam Peter and won , or are you saying Wlad would have been floored by Cunnigham or Nevan Pajkic ?

FACT

Ok, you agree that Cunnngham and Johnson beat Ruiz, Harrison and Chisora but those fighters are people that Haye faced AFTER wining a title... Fury is still building up to a title shot and hasnt even been a pro 5 years yet. So Tyson is beating better fighters now than Haye is after 12 years as a pro! Fury beat Chisora while he was still fucking aroud and not in shape and only being a pro 3 years. Haye had the advantage of being pro for 11 years when he fought Chisora.

Tyson has tried to get other world class fighters in with him but a few of them turned down the offer on his last fight and cunningham was the only one with the bollocks to tale the fight. In the press conference where Fury, Nazim Richardson and Cunningham were arguing, Cunningham admitted that alot of other fighters tiuned the fight down because they were scared to fight a "giant" fury mentioned names like Wilder, Arreola and Stiverne but it wasnt made clear whether they were the ones offered the fight.

[Dark Lord Al]

Perspective, I may be quite strongly behind Fury in this fight but thats for the reasons mentioned. I think he has Hayes number.

I dont lambast or criticise anyone for believing otherwise unlike you and others on here in a weird cliquey group where no one else is allowed a differing opinion.

If it was a Klitschko or Pulev I may feel different but the fact Haye is a puncher didnt help him on Wlads chin which is just as poor as Furys.

As for me bigging up Johnson and Cunningham, those two also beat Hayes heavyweight wins.

Yes that is a fact but all that means is Haye has hand picked his opponents also , it doesn't mean Fury is a fucking world beater.
The fact of the matter is Haye has beaten guys holding a world title , yes a weaker champ at HW than the brothers grim , but until Fury actually goes in with a world class hitter the jury is out on him.
Also as for Wlad having as weak a chin as Fury , Wlad has got off the floor against world class punchers like Sam Peter and won , or are you saying Wlad would have been floored by Cunnigham or Nevan Pajkic ?

FACT

Ok, you agree that Cunnngham and Johnson beat Ruiz, Harrison and Chisora but those fighters are people that Haye faced AFTER wining a title... Fury is still building up to a title shot and hasnt even been a pro 5 years yet. So Tyson is beating better fighters now than Haye is after 12 years as a pro! Fury beat Chisora while he was still fucking aroud and not in shape and only being a pro 3 years. Haye had the advantage of being pro for 11 years when he fought Chisora.

Tyson has tried to get other world class fighters in with him but a few of them turned down the offer on his last fight and cunningham was the only one with the bollocks to tale the fight. In the press conference where Fury, Nazim Richardson and Cunningham were arguing, Cunningham admitted that alot of other fighters tiuned the fight down because they were scared to fight a "giant" fury mentioned names like Wilder, Arreola and Stiverne but it wasnt made clear whether they were the ones offered the fight.

Wlad's chin is equal to Fury's ? that's what you are saying right ?

[Memphis]

Chris Areola afraid of Tyson Fury? At the time he might have been afraid ofmissing a meal but afraid of Tyson Fury?

I guess if Fury says so it must be true.

Cunningham and Johnson beat Ruiz Chisora and Harrison? They might do,they're all 50/50 fights at a glance. They're all in the pool of fighters underWlad that are all pretty much on par.

It doesn’t matter if you've been around 5 minutes or a hundred years. Onceyou've graduated from beating local stiffs you've got to be fighting thesekinds of fighters, there are no other alternatives.

Fury fighting them now opposed to Haye fighting them after X amount of yearsas a pro is irrelevant. How they dispatch them.....sure that’s more telling.

For what its worth Haye is a twat for allowing this to happen so close to fight night. I've no idea who this bloke is who's supposed to have nutted him. If he's sparring this close to the fight it should have been light and with an experienced hand. There are no excuses.

[Dark Lord Al]

Perspective, I may be quite strongly behind Fury in this fight but thats for the reasons mentioned. I think he has Hayes number.

I dont lambast or criticise anyone for believing otherwise unlike you and others on here in a weird cliquey group where no one else is allowed a differing opinion.

If it was a Klitschko or Pulev I may feel different but the fact Haye is a puncher didnt help him on Wlads chin which is just as poor as Furys.

As for me bigging up Johnson and Cunningham, those two also beat Hayes heavyweight wins.

Yes that is a fact but all that means is Haye has hand picked his opponents also , it doesn't mean Fury is a fucking world beater.
The fact of the matter is Haye has beaten guys holding a world title , yes a weaker champ at HW than the brothers grim , but until Fury actually goes in with a world class hitter the jury is out on him.
Also as for Wlad having as weak a chin as Fury , Wlad has got off the floor against world class punchers like Sam Peter and won , or are you saying Wlad would have been floored by Cunnigham or Nevan Pajkic ?

FACT

Ok, you agree that Cunnngham and Johnson beat Ruiz, Harrison and Chisora but those fighters are people that Haye faced AFTER wining a title... Fury is still building up to a title shot and hasnt even been a pro 5 years yet. So Tyson is beating better fighters now than Haye is after 12 years as a pro! Fury beat Chisora while he was still fucking aroud and not in shape and only being a pro 3 years. Haye had the advantage of being pro for 11 years when he fought Chisora.

Tyson has tried to get other world class fighters in with him but a few of them turned down the offer on his last fight and cunningham was the only one with the bollocks to tale the fight. In the press conference where Fury, Nazim Richardson and Cunningham were arguing, Cunningham admitted that alot of other fighters tiuned the fight down because they were scared to fight a "giant" fury mentioned names like Wilder, Arreola and Stiverne but it wasnt made clear whether they were the ones offered the fight.

So you now believe everything a fighter says during a heated press conference ? Cunnigham knows that others where offered the fight how ? where is the proof , and do you not think that makes Cunnigham sound better saying he was the only one who would take the fight ?
Fuck me you only believe anything that suits your point of view , whether there is any truth in it at all , did you believe Mike Tyson was really going to go and eat Lennox Lewis's children ?

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Perspective, I may be quite strongly behind Fury in this fight but thats for the reasons mentioned. I think he has Hayes number.

I dont lambast or criticise anyone for believing otherwise unlike you and others on here in a weird cliquey group where no one else is allowed a differing opinion.

If it was a Klitschko or Pulev I may feel different but the fact Haye is a puncher didnt help him on Wlads chin which is just as poor as Furys.

As for me bigging up Johnson and Cunningham, those two also beat Hayes heavyweight wins.

Yes that is a fact but all that means is Haye has hand picked his opponents also , it doesn't mean Fury is a fucking world beater.
The fact of the matter is Haye has beaten guys holding a world title , yes a weaker champ at HW than the brothers grim , but until Fury actually goes in with a world class hitter the jury is out on him.
Also as for Wlad having as weak a chin as Fury , Wlad has got off the floor against world class punchers like Sam Peter and won , or are you saying Wlad would have been floored by Cunnigham or Nevan Pajkic ?

FACT

Ok, you agree that Cunnngham and Johnson beat Ruiz, Harrison and Chisora but those fighters are people that Haye faced AFTER wining a title... Fury is still building up to a title shot and hasnt even been a pro 5 years yet. So Tyson is beating better fighters now than Haye is after 12 years as a pro! Fury beat Chisora while he was still fucking aroud and not in shape and only being a pro 3 years. Haye had the advantage of being pro for 11 years when he fought Chisora.

Tyson has tried to get other world class fighters in with him but a few of them turned down the offer on his last fight and cunningham was the only one with the bollocks to tale the fight. In the press conference where Fury, Nazim Richardson and Cunningham were arguing, Cunningham admitted that alot of other fighters tiuned the fight down because they were scared to fight a "giant" fury mentioned names like Wilder, Arreola and Stiverne but it wasnt made clear whether they were the ones offered the fight.

So you now believe everything a fighter says during a heated press conference ? Cunnigham knows that others where offered the fight how ? where is the proof , and do you not think that makes Cunnigham sound better saying he was the only one who would take the fight ?
Fuck me you only believe anything that suits your point of view , whether there is any truth in it at all , did you believe Mike Tyson was really going to go and eat Lennox Lewis's children ?

You seem to believe everything Haye wants you to

He wanted to prolong his training because he's not ready and knows Fury is more dangerous than he will let on. As Bunce and others have said, its the only excuse that can reasonably be used this late.

[erics44]

Perspective, I may be quite strongly behind Fury in this fight but thats for the reasons mentioned. I think he has Hayes number.

I dont lambast or criticise anyone for believing otherwise unlike you and others on here in a weird cliquey group where no one else is allowed a differing opinion.

If it was a Klitschko or Pulev I may feel different but the fact Haye is a puncher didnt help him on Wlads chin which is just as poor as Furys.

As for me bigging up Johnson and Cunningham, those two also beat Hayes heavyweight wins.

Yes that is a fact but all that means is Haye has hand picked his opponents also , it doesn't mean Fury is a fucking world beater.
The fact of the matter is Haye has beaten guys holding a world title , yes a weaker champ at HW than the brothers grim , but until Fury actually goes in with a world class hitter the jury is out on him.
Also as for Wlad having as weak a chin as Fury , Wlad has got off the floor against world class punchers like Sam Peter and won , or are you saying Wlad would have been floored by Cunnigham or Nevan Pajkic ?

FACT

i dont think that is a fact, johnson isnt busy enough to beat either ruiz or valuev and it would be pretty close between him and barrett, I might even favour barrett, i certainly wouldnt put any money on johnson

cunningham might have the speed to beat valuev, it would be a fairly close fight, again if i had to put my money on someone it would be valuev, and again i think ruiz would beat him

neither haye nor fury have a partivularly amazing record in terms of the oppenents they have faced at HW when you consider that they are both considered world class amongst the current crop

Hayes record at HW is better than Furys tho, especially when you consider the magnitude and location of his fights

one more thing, i think audley harrison would have a good chance against johnson, in fact i would back him