Hes contending the WBC title soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Is he a genuine heavy or not?
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Hes contending the WBC title soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Is he a genuine heavy or not?
arreola is a genuine heavy, Cunningham was robbed against adamek, adamek did beat areola, fury dealt with CunninghamQuote:
Originally Posted by rossHes contending the WBC title soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Is he a genuine heavy or not?
fury has already beaten chiz
now with all of those facts/opinions you could put a jigsaw together in many ways, one way would be to suggest that all this proves fury is better than chiz, I don't agree with the picture you are building tho, particularly that chiz was ambitious at the time of the first fight and is less so now, I think it is much the opposite
I believe chisora is in a much better position to put up a fight against fury this time and I think there is very little between them
There is one very important, blindingly obvious fact you have left out...Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44arreola is a genuine heavy, Cunningham was robbed against adamek, adamek did beat areola, fury dealt with CunninghamQuote:
Originally Posted by rossHes contending the WBC title soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Is he a genuine heavy or not?
fury has already beaten chiz
now with all of those facts/opinions you could put a jigsaw together in many ways, one way would be to suggest that all this proves fury is better than chiz, I don't agree with the picture you are building tho, particularly that chiz was ambitious at the time of the first fight and is less so now, I think it is much the opposite
I believe chisora is in a much better position to put up a fight against fury this time and I think there is very little between them
They have already fought. Both had the same amount of fights, both were unbeaten and Fury won almost every round.
Now if Chisora didnt train and Fury did, ultimately that still means hes a better fighter. Hes prepared to do what he needs to win each fight. Whether its actually train harder than his opponent, lean on them, hold their head up with an elbow, whatever, the man is going to be very difficult for anyone to beat. He has an amazing attitude. Believes in himself, talks down to people, makes us laugh, fights hard, entertains and wins.
It would be very funny if johnson wins... but I dont see it... even if he does do well it will be nearly impossible for teh judges to give him the decision.. Even though I hope johnson wins, I want to see chisora v fury 2.. so a chisora win would be best for entertainment value in the fury chisora rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
I dont want to start a conspiracy here but maybe it was the legal hammering he took in the ring from Haye?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
You do realise their scuffle was before that?Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisI dont want to start a conspiracy here but maybe it was the legal hammering he took in the ring from Haye?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Chisora took a full blooded bear knuckled right hand off Haye and didn't get knocked out but it may well have affected his long term ability to take a shot. It still wasn't just a single shot that Haye stopped him with but now Chisoras getting hurt left right and centre by journeymen.
I didn't leave that out I mentioned it and yes I agree fury won almost every roundQuote:
Originally Posted by rossThere is one very important, blindingly obvious fact you have left out...Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44arreola is a genuine heavy, Cunningham was robbed against adamek, adamek did beat areola, fury dealt with CunninghamQuote:
Originally Posted by rossHes contending the WBC title soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Is he a genuine heavy or not?
fury has already beaten chiz
now with all of those facts/opinions you could put a jigsaw together in many ways, one way would be to suggest that all this proves fury is better than chiz, I don't agree with the picture you are building tho, particularly that chiz was ambitious at the time of the first fight and is less so now, I think it is much the opposite
I believe chisora is in a much better position to put up a fight against fury this time and I think there is very little between them
They have already fought. Both had the same amount of fights, both were unbeaten and Fury won almost every round.
Now if Chisora didnt train and Fury did, ultimately that still means hes a better fighter. Hes prepared to do what he needs to win each fight. Whether its actually train harder than his opponent, lean on them, hold their head up with an elbow, whatever, the man is going to be very difficult for anyone to beat. He has an amazing attitude. Believes in himself, talks down to people, makes us laugh, fights hard, entertains and wins.
and yes on that day and in the build up to that fight fury proved he is the better fighter, if you think that means that fury is a better fighter overall due to consistent dedication then I wouldn't argue
on their day both trained up I believe there is very little between them, and at the minute I think i'm leaning towards chisora
This is a natural fight for these two , as both are not out of the very top drawer , and its good to hold the European belt anyway.
I'm not so sure, you can punch a lot harder with gloves on than you do bare knuckle (unless you want your hands to shatter, I thought you said you boxed?! :p). Haye's hand was fine afterwards, I'd be surprised if Chisora hadn't been hit harder dozens of times in sparring that year alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossYou do realise their scuffle was before that?Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisI dont want to start a conspiracy here but maybe it was the legal hammering he took in the ring from Haye?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Chisora took a full blooded bear knuckled right hand off Haye and didn't get knocked out but it may well have affected his long term ability to take a shot. It still wasn't just a single shot that Haye stopped him with but now Chisoras getting hurt left right and centre by journeymen.
When you hear about people getting punched outside a pub and then slipping into a coma, it's usually because they were drunk... They topple over because their balance is gone and smack the back of their head on concrete.
I know you'd love us to think that Haye had to soften Chisora up at the press conference to be able to do what Fury failed to do but even for you, that's reaching ;)
I do indeed. I'm just suggesting that it's possible it was legitimate punches rather than some bar room brawl that did this supposed damage. Adam Booth is the only one that got damaged in that mess and he got twatted in the head with a tripod ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by rossYou do realise their scuffle was before that?Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisI dont want to start a conspiracy here but maybe it was the legal hammering he took in the ring from Haye?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Your talking shit just to argue. Why do you think boxers have gloves on in the first place!Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBI'm not so sure, you can punch a lot harder with gloves on than you do bare knuckle (unless you want your hands to shatter, I thought you said you boxed?! :p). Haye's hand was fine afterwards, I'd be surprised if Chisora hadn't been hit harder dozens of times in sparring that year alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossYou do realise their scuffle was before that?Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisI dont want to start a conspiracy here but maybe it was the legal hammering he took in the ring from Haye?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Chisora took a full blooded bear knuckled right hand off Haye and didn't get knocked out but it may well have affected his long term ability to take a shot. It still wasn't just a single shot that Haye stopped him with but now Chisoras getting hurt left right and centre by journeymen.
When you hear about people getting punched outside a pub and then slipping into a coma, it's usually because they were drunk... They topple over because their balance is gone and smack the back of their head on concrete.
I know you'd love us to think that Haye had to soften Chisora up at the press conference to be able to do what Fury failed to do but even for you, that's reaching ;)
Obviously a bare knuckle punch is going to have more impact, do more damage than a gloved punch!!!:rolleyes:
Ross boxers wear gloves to protect their hands. That's why they were introduced.
Gloves are to protect hands Ross. Watch UFC, they use Gloves with hardly any padding and they can't dish out what a boxer can with their fists.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossYour talking shit just to argue. Why do you think boxers have gloves on in the first place!Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBI'm not so sure, you can punch a lot harder with gloves on than you do bare knuckle (unless you want your hands to shatter, I thought you said you boxed?! :p). Haye's hand was fine afterwards, I'd be surprised if Chisora hadn't been hit harder dozens of times in sparring that year alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossYou do realise their scuffle was before that?Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisI dont want to start a conspiracy here but maybe it was the legal hammering he took in the ring from Haye?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Chisora took a full blooded bear knuckled right hand off Haye and didn't get knocked out but it may well have affected his long term ability to take a shot. It still wasn't just a single shot that Haye stopped him with but now Chisoras getting hurt left right and centre by journeymen.
When you hear about people getting punched outside a pub and then slipping into a coma, it's usually because they were drunk... They topple over because their balance is gone and smack the back of their head on concrete.
I know you'd love us to think that Haye had to soften Chisora up at the press conference to be able to do what Fury failed to do but even for you, that's reaching ;)
Obviously a bare knuckle punch is going to have more impact, do more damage than a gloved punch!!!:rolleyes:
You are looking like a bunch of silly little morons.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBGloves are to protect hands Ross. Watch UFC, they use Gloves with hardly any padding and they can't dish out what a boxer can with their fists.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossYour talking shit just to argue. Why do you think boxers have gloves on in the first place!Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBI'm not so sure, you can punch a lot harder with gloves on than you do bare knuckle (unless you want your hands to shatter, I thought you said you boxed?! :p). Haye's hand was fine afterwards, I'd be surprised if Chisora hadn't been hit harder dozens of times in sparring that year alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossYou do realise their scuffle was before that?Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisI dont want to start a conspiracy here but maybe it was the legal hammering he took in the ring from Haye?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Chisora took a full blooded bear knuckled right hand off Haye and didn't get knocked out but it may well have affected his long term ability to take a shot. It still wasn't just a single shot that Haye stopped him with but now Chisoras getting hurt left right and centre by journeymen.
When you hear about people getting punched outside a pub and then slipping into a coma, it's usually because they were drunk... They topple over because their balance is gone and smack the back of their head on concrete.
I know you'd love us to think that Haye had to soften Chisora up at the press conference to be able to do what Fury failed to do but even for you, that's reaching ;)
Obviously a bare knuckle punch is going to have more impact, do more damage than a gloved punch!!!:rolleyes:
Would you rather take a clean right hand off Haye with a gloved fist or bare knuckle?
Argument over;D
How do I look silly? That's is why gloves were introducedQuote:
Originally Posted by rossYou are looking like a bunch of silly little morons.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBGloves are to protect hands Ross. Watch UFC, they use Gloves with hardly any padding and they can't dish out what a boxer can with their fists.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossYour talking shit just to argue. Why do you think boxers have gloves on in the first place!Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBI'm not so sure, you can punch a lot harder with gloves on than you do bare knuckle (unless you want your hands to shatter, I thought you said you boxed?! :p). Haye's hand was fine afterwards, I'd be surprised if Chisora hadn't been hit harder dozens of times in sparring that year alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossYou do realise their scuffle was before that?Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisI dont want to start a conspiracy here but maybe it was the legal hammering he took in the ring from Haye?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Chisora took a full blooded bear knuckled right hand off Haye and didn't get knocked out but it may well have affected his long term ability to take a shot. It still wasn't just a single shot that Haye stopped him with but now Chisoras getting hurt left right and centre by journeymen.
When you hear about people getting punched outside a pub and then slipping into a coma, it's usually because they were drunk... They topple over because their balance is gone and smack the back of their head on concrete.
I know you'd love us to think that Haye had to soften Chisora up at the press conference to be able to do what Fury failed to do but even for you, that's reaching ;)
Obviously a bare knuckle punch is going to have more impact, do more damage than a gloved punch!!!:rolleyes:
Would you rather take a clean right hand off Haye with a gloved fist or bare knuckle?
Argument over;D
The initial point was blatantly obvious that a bare knuckled punch is going to do far more damage than a gloved punch and because that cant really be argued its now been turned in to gloves are to protect hands. Ayway, no... Hand wraps are to protect hands, gloves are to protect the opponent.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeHow do I look silly? That's is why gloves were introducedQuote:
Originally Posted by rossYou are looking like a bunch of silly little morons.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBGloves are to protect hands Ross. Watch UFC, they use Gloves with hardly any padding and they can't dish out what a boxer can with their fists.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossYour talking shit just to argue. Why do you think boxers have gloves on in the first place!Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBI'm not so sure, you can punch a lot harder with gloves on than you do bare knuckle (unless you want your hands to shatter, I thought you said you boxed?! :p). Haye's hand was fine afterwards, I'd be surprised if Chisora hadn't been hit harder dozens of times in sparring that year alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossYou do realise their scuffle was before that?Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisI dont want to start a conspiracy here but maybe it was the legal hammering he took in the ring from Haye?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Chisora took a full blooded bear knuckled right hand off Haye and didn't get knocked out but it may well have affected his long term ability to take a shot. It still wasn't just a single shot that Haye stopped him with but now Chisoras getting hurt left right and centre by journeymen.
When you hear about people getting punched outside a pub and then slipping into a coma, it's usually because they were drunk... They topple over because their balance is gone and smack the back of their head on concrete.
I know you'd love us to think that Haye had to soften Chisora up at the press conference to be able to do what Fury failed to do but even for you, that's reaching ;)
Obviously a bare knuckle punch is going to have more impact, do more damage than a gloved punch!!!:rolleyes:
Would you rather take a clean right hand off Haye with a gloved fist or bare knuckle?
Argument over;D
Ok just to show how retarded you are I'll ask a question the way u did. What would you prefer taking one punch bare knuckle from Haye or 30+ or however much Haye land against him Gloved?
Argument over.
One punch ain't gonna do much to ur overall resistance. Cumulative of multiple punches is far worse.
For fucks sakes!Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Of course one uncushioned, bareknuckle punch by supposedly the most explosive puncher in the world can make a world of difference to your overall punch resistance!
Alot of people have died from one singular bareknuckle punch in silly arguments. I bet their families wish the twat who punched them had gloves on.
.. So.. Tyson Fury and Dereck Chisora eh?
Yea and a lot of people have taken one bare knuckle punch and have been fine. I don't know what does more damage all I know is gloves were introduced to protect fighters hands. Gloves reduce superficial damage (cuts) but most people suggest wearing gloves does more damage to the fighter because it allows one to throw stronger punches more often because their hands are protected. This is why it is ludicrous to suggest that the one bare knuckle punch Chisora took did more damage to him then the punches he's received in the ring throughout his career
Its not ludicrous at all. You ask a neurosurgion if he thinks its ludicrous that getting punched by the biggest puncher in the world with no cushioning would not affect something in your head. Iv got a good idea what he tell you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
As I said, wraps were introduced to protect the hands. Gloves were then put on top to protect the opponent. Look it up;)
Chisoras ability to take a punch before hand was more down to his head movement which seems to have suffered with the weight loss. Even Don Charles has said that.
I have looked it up. Any encyclopedia will tell u gloves were introduced to protect fighters hands and will say most professionals believe they increased the chance of long term damage as fighters can land stronger blows more often.
Yes and ask any neurosurgeon whether one punch to the head bare knuckle or 30 or more punches to the head with 10 ounce gloves on is worse.
No no no little sugar plum!Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Stop saying 30 punches! It is not beyond the realms of actual possibility that taking a free shot from the biggest puncher in the world is not very dangerous and if it didnt in fact kill you with a brain haemorrhage or blood clot may leave you in a condition that may make it easier to switch the lights off in the future. The brain actually does that. Shuts itself down to protect itself.
Stop arguing with shit.
Quote:
Originally Posted by rossFor fucks sakes!Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Of course one uncushioned, bareknuckle punch by supposedly the most explosive puncher in the world can make a world of difference to your overall punch resistance!
Alot of people have died from one singular bareknuckle punch in silly arguments. I bet their families wish the twat who punched them had gloves on.
Makes absolutely NO difference getting hit with a Glove or Bare Knuckle as to what damage a punch would do to the brain!!
Its gonna be exactly the same force from the blow to rock your brain and bang it off the inside of your skull either way.
The only difference would be the facial damage would be worse from a bare knuckle.
Ross your a thick Cunt ;D
So if you were sparring Haye and the choice was let him go bare knuckle or allow him to wear gloves you know what you'd say you little pickle pants;)Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by rossFor fucks sakes!Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Of course one uncushioned, bareknuckle punch by supposedly the most explosive puncher in the world can make a world of difference to your overall punch resistance!
Alot of people have died from one singular bareknuckle punch in silly arguments. I bet their families wish the twat who punched them had gloves on.
Makes absolutely NO difference getting hit with a Glove or Bare Knuckle as to what damage a punch would do to the brain!!
Its gonna be exactly the same force from the blow to rock your brain and bang it off the inside of your skull either way.
The only difference would be the facial damage would be worse from a bare knuckle.
Ross your a thick Cunt ;D
Youd say "iv pooed my pants can I go home please?"
;D
Yes but it's more likely that the multiple punches u took before and after that did more damage then the one punch. I'm arguing with facts. You jus seem tom ale shit up.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossNo no no little sugar plum!Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Stop saying 30 punches! It is not beyond the realms of actual possibility that taking a free shot from the biggest puncher in the world is not very dangerous and if it didnt in fact kill you with a brain haemorrhage or blood clot may leave you in a condition that may make it easier to switch the lights off in the future. The brain actually does that. Shuts itself down to protect itself.
Stop arguing with shit.
Errm, you saying you think something is more likely does not make something a fact. You are not a neuro surgeon and even had to look up the use of wraps and gloves;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYes but it's more likely that the multiple punches u took before and after that did more damage then the one punch. I'm arguing with facts. You jus seem tom ale shit up.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossNo no no little sugar plum!Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Stop saying 30 punches! It is not beyond the realms of actual possibility that taking a free shot from the biggest puncher in the world is not very dangerous and if it didnt in fact kill you with a brain haemorrhage or blood clot may leave you in a condition that may make it easier to switch the lights off in the future. The brain actually does that. Shuts itself down to protect itself.
Stop arguing with shit.
I know its fact there will be more direct force from a bareknuckle punch than from the same punch with padding.
Why dyou think the air bag was invented? If the force is the same regardless of padding whats the point:rolleyes:
I didn't say anything about force of punches so stop putting words in other peoples mouths. U try to do that a lot. All I asked was what's worse. One punch bare knuckle or 30 with a glove on. It's the latter so to suggest one punch that Haye landed bare knuckle made him punch drunk is stupid. You clearly aren't a brain sure on either and since you didn't know gloves were introduced to protect fighters hands which is pretty much common knowledge. You also seem to know that a bare knuckle punch carries more force then a gloved punch which again is not a fact an is not true. Force would be very similar for both and is likely that with a glove it carries more force as your hand with a glove on is heavier. It's basic science. You could test this with one of those punch machines in a bar or arcade. Throw 2 punches one with a glove and see which carries more force.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossErrm, you saying you think something is more likely does not make something a fact. You are not a neuro surgeon and even had to look up the use of wraps and gloves;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYes but it's more likely that the multiple punches u took before and after that did more damage then the one punch. I'm arguing with facts. You jus seem tom ale shit up.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossNo no no little sugar plum!Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Stop saying 30 punches! It is not beyond the realms of actual possibility that taking a free shot from the biggest puncher in the world is not very dangerous and if it didnt in fact kill you with a brain haemorrhage or blood clot may leave you in a condition that may make it easier to switch the lights off in the future. The brain actually does that. Shuts itself down to protect itself.
Stop arguing with shit.
I know its fact there will be more direct force from a bareknuckle punch than from the same punch with padding.
Why dyou think the air bag was invented? If the force is the same regardless of padding whats the point:rolleyes:
Stick to doing odds;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI didn't say anything about force of punches so stop putting words in other peoples mouths. U try to do that a lot. All I asked was what's worse. One punch bare knuckle or 30 with a glove on. It's the latter so to suggest one punch that Haye landed bare knuckle made him punch drunk is stupid. You clearly aren't a brain sure on either and since you didn't know gloves were introduced to protect fighters hands which is pretty much common knowledge. You also seem to know that a bare knuckle punch carries more force then a gloved punch which again is not a fact an is not true. Force would be very similar for both and is likely that with a glove it carries more force as your hand with a glove on is heavier. It's basic science. You could test this with one of those punch machines in a bar or arcade. Throw 2 punches one with a glove and see which carries more force.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossErrm, you saying you think something is more likely does not make something a fact. You are not a neuro surgeon and even had to look up the use of wraps and gloves;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYes but it's more likely that the multiple punches u took before and after that did more damage then the one punch. I'm arguing with facts. You jus seem tom ale shit up.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossNo no no little sugar plum!Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Stop saying 30 punches! It is not beyond the realms of actual possibility that taking a free shot from the biggest puncher in the world is not very dangerous and if it didnt in fact kill you with a brain haemorrhage or blood clot may leave you in a condition that may make it easier to switch the lights off in the future. The brain actually does that. Shuts itself down to protect itself.
Stop arguing with shit.
I know its fact there will be more direct force from a bareknuckle punch than from the same punch with padding.
Why dyou think the air bag was invented? If the force is the same regardless of padding whats the point:rolleyes:
We will see how good your are at those when it comes to Chisora v Johnson.;)
Ross, come on... Look at the circumstantial evidence:
Hitting full force with bare knuckles would break your hands if you can throw a half decent punch. Bone is harder than concrete.
One thing I will concede is that being hit once with bare knuckles will damage your skin more than with gloves.
a) Haye's hand was fine.
b) Chisora didn't have a scratch on him, no cut, no substantial swelling or bruising, nothing.
It clearly wasn't a concussive punch or Haye's hand would have shattered and Del Boy would be leaking.
YOU CAN'T PUNCH AS HARD WITH BARE KNUCKLES...
Obviously you'd pick gloves... because bare knuckle would cut your face to pieces, but we're talking about concussive force affecting punch resistance, not cuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossSo if you were sparring Haye and the choice was let him go bare knuckle or allow him to wear gloves you know what you'd say you little pickle pants;)Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by rossFor fucks sakes!Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Of course one uncushioned, bareknuckle punch by supposedly the most explosive puncher in the world can make a world of difference to your overall punch resistance!
Alot of people have died from one singular bareknuckle punch in silly arguments. I bet their families wish the twat who punched them had gloves on.
Makes absolutely NO difference getting hit with a Glove or Bare Knuckle as to what damage a punch would do to the brain!!
Its gonna be exactly the same force from the blow to rock your brain and bang it off the inside of your skull either way.
The only difference would be the facial damage would be worse from a bare knuckle.
Ross your a thick Cunt ;D
Youd say "iv pooed my pants can I go home please?"
;D
Gloves help reduce cuts and hand damage, that's IT.
If you are in a situation you feel threatened as Haye would have with Chisora bearing down on him you would not think of having to go 12 rounds. You have asked me if I have boxed, yes I have, 18 bouts. Have you ever had a scrap outside the ring? I have and you certainly dont think of the safety of your hand to try to end things quick. If you were clear headed enough to have thought of safety you would not throw a punch in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBObviously you'd pick gloves... because bare knuckle would cut your face to pieces, but we're talking about concussive force affecting punch resistance, not cuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossSo if you were sparring Haye and the choice was let him go bare knuckle or allow him to wear gloves you know what you'd say you little pickle pants;)Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by rossFor fucks sakes!Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Of course one uncushioned, bareknuckle punch by supposedly the most explosive puncher in the world can make a world of difference to your overall punch resistance!
Alot of people have died from one singular bareknuckle punch in silly arguments. I bet their families wish the twat who punched them had gloves on.
Makes absolutely NO difference getting hit with a Glove or Bare Knuckle as to what damage a punch would do to the brain!!
Its gonna be exactly the same force from the blow to rock your brain and bang it off the inside of your skull either way.
The only difference would be the facial damage would be worse from a bare knuckle.
Ross your a thick Cunt ;D
Youd say "iv pooed my pants can I go home please?"
;D
Gloves help reduce cuts and hand damage, that's IT.
Come on, this forum cant be that ignorant!Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBObviously you'd pick gloves... because bare knuckle would cut your face to pieces, but we're talking about concussive force affecting punch resistance, not cuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossSo if you were sparring Haye and the choice was let him go bare knuckle or allow him to wear gloves you know what you'd say you little pickle pants;)Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by rossFor fucks sakes!Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Of course one uncushioned, bareknuckle punch by supposedly the most explosive puncher in the world can make a world of difference to your overall punch resistance!
Alot of people have died from one singular bareknuckle punch in silly arguments. I bet their families wish the twat who punched them had gloves on.
Makes absolutely NO difference getting hit with a Glove or Bare Knuckle as to what damage a punch would do to the brain!!
Its gonna be exactly the same force from the blow to rock your brain and bang it off the inside of your skull either way.
The only difference would be the facial damage would be worse from a bare knuckle.
Ross your a thick Cunt ;D
Youd say "iv pooed my pants can I go home please?"
;D
Gloves help reduce cuts and hand damage, that's IT.
Can someone else please confirm that not everyone in here is so ignorant and point out the obvious that they understand a cushioned punch is going to be better for your brain than a bareknuckled punch. Its down to the acceleration and deceleration of the brain. A cushioned blow slows it all down.
Padding greatly reduces the impact of a punch... Which is why the AIBA are removing padded headguards from competition? ??? :rolleyes:
They have removed an aspect of padding because the reduction in concussion gained from removing head guards MASSIVELY outweighs the increase in cuts.
If they removed gloves then hand injuries and cuts would increase much more than concussions.
You can't throw a full bodied shot without gloves unless you don't mind breaking your hands. It's as simple as that.
Floyd Mayweather has bad hands and often gets stick for picking giant gloves, do you think he pucks them because he's worried about his hands, or because he doesn't want to hurt his opponents too much? :vd:
A single blow from a bare knuckle that didn't break the hand of the thrower or leave a mark on the recipitent just doesn't have the same force as a gloved fist because obviously you don't hold back when gloved up.
Your subconcious won't let you run face first into a wall and neither will it let you punch a brick wall as hard as you can with no protection. You might be thick as fuck, but your nervous system isn't
Haye didn't break his hand and Chisora wasn't bloodied, swolen or bruised... If the punch that Haye threw was landed with even as much force as a gloved shot chisora would have taken several times in sparring, then why wasn't there notable damage to either Haye's hand or the soft tissue of Chisora's cranium? Answers on a post card.
You are working on the presumption that no one can throw a full blooded shot n anger without gloves on whithout breaking their hands. You are wrong. Iv done it plenty of times n anger and imsure many thers have and not on a target thatgives like a head either.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Yes if you are repeatedly landi g shots over 12 rou ds you would hurt your hands but a one off full hoooded shot in anger, lts of people throw them and those that know how to land a punch properly dont hurt themselves.
Ross is just confused here. His logic behind a bare fist doing more damage is that its a harder surface. Its an easy mistake to make. A barefist punch will hurt you more and is more likey to cause cuts or a broken bone. However, if there is no cut and bone damage the impact of that shot has no extra impact on the brain then a gloved punch. Damage to the brain comes from shots causing the brain to rock in your head. Once the physical damage, cut, bone damage, internal bleeding etc is not caused it makes very little difference what causes the impact be it a bare knuck, gloved fist or even a hammer or baseball bat.
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Originally Posted by rossSo if you were sparring Haye and the choice was let him go bare knuckle or allow him to wear gloves you know what you'd say you little pickle pants;)Quote:
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Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Of course one uncushioned, bareknuckle punch by supposedly the most explosive puncher in the world can make a world of difference to your overall punch resistance!
Alot of people have died from one singular bareknuckle punch in silly arguments. I bet their families wish the twat who punched them had gloves on.
Makes absolutely NO difference getting hit with a Glove or Bare Knuckle as to what damage a punch would do to the brain!!
Its gonna be exactly the same force from the blow to rock your brain and bang it off the inside of your skull either way.
The only difference would be the facial damage would be worse from a bare knuckle.
Ross your a thick Cunt ;D
Youd say "iv pooed my pants can I go home please?"
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See you change the subject because your theory is bullshit.
You claim a bare knuckle does more lasting damage to the brain than a glove.
Like silkyjoe has just said , its about the force that causes the brain to rock and smash into the skull.
A shovel, cricket bat, iron bar or fist (gloved or ungloved) or any object smashed into your head could all do the same damage, boils down to the force of the blow not the object that hits you.
Maybe Michael Schumacher would have died instantly if David Haye was standing bare fisted on the ski slope and his head landed on that instead right?
You talk shit and then some - Fact ;)
Fucking get real! The glove does take some of the force out, as you are all saying otherwise it would break a jaw!
Like I said about an air bag in a car, same principle. Still the same amount of force involved but there is something inbetween you and the impact to cushion the blow.
Plenty of fighters have broken their jaws from punches with gloves. Funny how Chisora jaw wasn't broken from that bare knuckle punch. Mustn't have been thrown full force so.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
What assumptions am I working under ross.:-X
Haye landed a headshot
Haye didn't damage his hand (he has broken it whilst wearing gloves so we know it breaks)
Chisora wasn't cut, didn't suffer an orbital fracture, broken jaw or anything of that nature
Those are facts, I presume nothing and they all support that the blow Haye landed wasn't as concussive as a full bodied, gloved shot... Let alone several.
If force = mass x acceleration, please explain what affect a glove on force has on force, be specific.
The reduction in force is negligable, the resuction in damgage to hand and facial structures is what is significant here.