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Re: UK - Council and European Election
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Greenbeanz
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Gandalf
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Greenbeanz
Romanian Immigration: Medical Staff Now In Highest Demand As Britain Struggles For Nurses
"After the Francis Report [into the Mid Staffordshire care scandal], the government decided hospitals needed to recruit more nurses, but there is a real shortage of trained professionals in the UK.
"The government realised it made the cuts in the wrong places. We now estimate there are 20,000 vacancies for nurses in the UK. And the homegrown supply is not sufficient. If you need new nurses quickly, you have to look overseas."
The statistics will confirm what many migrant rights experts have said about EU immigration, that migrants come to Britain to do jobs that cannot be filled with British workers.
European countries, Catton said, are unlikely to be happy with the situation of nurses and doctors taking jobs in Britain. "They pay to train them in their home countries and then they are poached for jobs in Britain. For many countries that is unacceptable".
Dr Ion Jinga, Romania's ambassador to the UK said: "The EU labour market has become increasingly competitive and every economy aims to attract bright brains and highly skilled workers. Romania’s economy is growing fast, with a 5.2% GDP growth in the final quarter of 2013 – the biggest rise in the EU – and a full-year rate of 3.5%, and the EU average growth was only 0.1%.
Isn't this an issue of Britain's University system being a complete failure rather than needing medical staff alone? Last year I taught classes of nursing students in this country and see that important jobs like this are being prepared for. If I go to hospital it is always a Korean nurse who speaks English and I appreciate that. Now why on earth are people in the UK studying English, or geography, when there is a demand for nursing?
It's easy to ignore the basic common sense that the system is simply failing British people. Schools encourage students to study crap and this is the cream of the crop now getting tens of thousands of pounds into debt as bank slaves. How about just being sensible and telling young people that nursing is useful, helpful, valued, and to guarantee conditions so that young people want to be nurses?
It is wrong to carry on this parade that 'We need these overseas workers'. We don't, we just need to accept that the system is fucked and to deal with it. England for the English isn't such a bad thing if you care about the English. If you don't then of course the media will spin it as Satanism.
Stop being so wilfully stupid. You do not live in England and go on and on about how it has changed and how you do not recognise it anymore and then in the same breath you arrogantly diagnose it from afar and prescribe an end to all it's woes as though the English themselves are nothing to do with it. I fucking live here 24 hours a day every day. I work in the Education system and seriously, truthfully, English kids do not want to work in Nursing or care because it is not seen as sexy. That is not the fault of a University that offers nursing and medical degrees that run half full because nobody wants to put the hard work in to finish the course. "England for the English" ? you sound like fucking Nick Griffin from the BNP.
Schools do not encourage students to study Krap and since when has English and Geography counted as Krap? you studied English or is it just Krap now? Not everybody wants to work in the healthcare system and so in a free Europe professionally qualified people with the right to work will move where the work is. You are the one spinning everything as Satanism because you can not simply accept that the world has moved on from your extremely boring, safe, straight conservative values. That is the hilarious truth of the matter for all your harping on you are the one stuck in his ways bemoaning Jonny foreigner and the fuzzy wuzzies taking over your beloved England whilst you swan it up in South Korea, flicking bogeys at an 80 year old lady from thousands of miles away.
Stop talking nonsense yourself then, GB.
I am speaking fact and fact only. I have taught nurses and they are generally the best students. There is no shortage of them and they will all find jobs and many will perform the jobs well. No country should have a nursing shortage. It is absurd if there is one. That is not my fault, but a failure of the Eton shits who run things there and the deluded crap schools who run things.
Geography is crap if it means my friend Dan now works in a bank. English is crap if it means Ed works in the supermarket. My history is useless if I use it to sell bets or teach English in a country not even my own. Schools are constantly telling the kids to study crap. Constantly.
All I can do is make comparisons and if they are based on experience all the better. Why doesn't Korea import nurses from Mongolia, or Japan, or China? Because we teach them here and I even taught them English. It works. Your system does not work. I know because I have seen the crud that is the English University system that now bankrupts every young person. It is a failure and I knew it then and they know it know. The anger is rising and it won't stop. The Gandalf moan has now become the zeitgeist.
I know it's an image you have of me just swanning overseas because I don't live there, but I don't swan around. In fact all I do is study language 4 hours everyday. Why do I do it? Because I have to make sure I never get fooled again. That's where me registering a vote and having a lot of hastle doing so gets lost. It's simply that I know the reality. The system is a con and people should react accordingly.
Every generation is significantly worse. This generation has way more debt than even I did and yes, the Queen is a bitch as her retarded offspring face none of the penalties of being born in England.
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Re: UK - Council and European Election
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dia bando
Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.:(
BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain
"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."
There is plenty of room
If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.
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Re: UK - Council and European Election
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dia bando
Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.:(
BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain
"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."
There is plenty of room
If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.
Africa?
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'You say England for the English and so you sound like the BNP' or something like that and it gets fluttered in my ears that 'Hmm, maybe you are not proud of your country'. You know what, I am more English than any of these immigrants. I would come home and state a few sentences in my lovely dulcet tones and prove it in a moment. However, I won't. It has nothing to do with not believing in my Englishness which is actually my core. I am more English than any immigrant could ever pretend to be. Again, I know that from experience. Without comparisons and only home grown delusion, you have no idea.
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My point being that the place needs a revolution and is illegitimate. For 30 years there has been a war on the English and for it to be spun that I am with the problem, when I simply tried to survive as a young person and was eaten up like most and it has got a lot worse.
I don't swan about anywhere. Do you think I do this for fun? Amusement? I am not there, so I want young people to be free. I want the young people to see that the system is a lie, and that people like me were always telling the truth, and that you Greenbeanz, who teach them, are telling porkies. I have no vested interest in saying that the British simply have a shite University system. Same here too in some regards and I say as much.
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Re: UK - Council and European Election
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
Romanian Immigration: Medical Staff Now In Highest Demand As Britain Struggles For Nurses
"After the Francis Report [into the Mid Staffordshire care scandal], the government decided hospitals needed to recruit more nurses, but there is a real shortage of trained professionals in the UK.
"The government realised it made the cuts in the wrong places. We now estimate there are 20,000 vacancies for nurses in the UK. And the homegrown supply is not sufficient. If you need new nurses quickly, you have to look overseas."
The statistics will confirm what many migrant rights experts have said about EU immigration, that migrants come to Britain to do jobs that cannot be filled with British workers.
European countries, Catton said, are unlikely to be happy with the situation of nurses and doctors taking jobs in Britain. "They pay to train them in their home countries and then they are poached for jobs in Britain. For many countries that is unacceptable".
Dr Ion Jinga, Romania's ambassador to the UK said: "The EU labour market has become increasingly competitive and every economy aims to attract bright brains and highly skilled workers. Romania’s economy is growing fast, with a 5.2% GDP growth in the final quarter of 2013 – the biggest rise in the EU – and a full-year rate of 3.5%, and the EU average growth was only 0.1%.
Isn't this an issue of Britain's University system being a complete failure rather than needing medical staff alone? Last year I taught classes of nursing students in this country and see that important jobs like this are being prepared for. If I go to hospital it is always a Korean nurse who speaks English and I appreciate that. Now why on earth are people in the UK studying English, or geography, when there is a demand for nursing?
It's easy to ignore the basic common sense that the system is simply failing British people. Schools encourage students to study crap and this is the cream of the crop now getting tens of thousands of pounds into debt as bank slaves. How about just being sensible and telling young people that nursing is useful, helpful, valued, and to guarantee conditions so that young people want to be nurses?
It is wrong to carry on this parade that 'We need these overseas workers'. We don't, we just need to accept that the system is fucked and to deal with it. England for the English isn't such a bad thing if you care about the English. If you don't then of course the media will spin it as Satanism.
Stop being so wilfully stupid. You do not live in England and go on and on about how it has changed and how you do not recognise it anymore and then in the same breath you arrogantly diagnose it from afar and prescribe an end to all it's woes as though the English themselves are nothing to do with it. I fucking live here 24 hours a day every day. I work in the Education system and seriously, truthfully, English kids do not want to work in Nursing or care because it is not seen as sexy. That is not the fault of a University that offers nursing and medical degrees that run half full because nobody wants to put the hard work in to finish the course. "England for the English" ? you sound like fucking Nick Griffin from the BNP.
Schools do not encourage students to study Krap and since when has English and Geography counted as Krap? you studied English or is it just Krap now? Not everybody wants to work in the healthcare system and so in a free Europe professionally qualified people with the right to work will move where the work is. You are the one spinning everything as Satanism because you can not simply accept that the world has moved on from your extremely boring, safe, straight conservative values. That is the hilarious truth of the matter for all your harping on you are the one stuck in his ways bemoaning Jonny foreigner and the fuzzy wuzzies taking over your beloved England whilst you swan it up in South Korea, flicking bogeys at an 80 year old lady from thousands of miles away.
Stop talking nonsense yourself then, GB.
I am speaking fact and fact only. I have taught nurses and they are generally the best students. There is no shortage of them and they will all find jobs and many will perform the jobs well. No country should have a nursing shortage. It is absurd if there is one. That is not my fault, but a failure of the Eton shits who run things there and the deluded crap schools who run things.
Geography is crap if it means my friend Dan now works in a bank. English is crap if it means Ed works in the supermarket. My history is useless if I use it to sell bets or teach English in a country not even my own. Schools are constantly telling the kids to study crap. Constantly.
All I can do is make comparisons and if they are based on experience all the better. Why doesn't Korea import nurses from Mongolia, or Japan, or China? Because we teach them here and I even taught them English. It works. Your system does not work. I know because I have seen the crud that is the English University system that now bankrupts every young person. It is a failure and I knew it then and they know it know. The anger is rising and it won't stop. The Gandalf moan has now become the zeitgeist.
I know it's an image you have of me just swanning overseas because I don't live there, but I don't swan around. In fact all I do is study language 4 hours everyday. Why do I do it? Because I have to make sure I never get fooled again. That's where me registering a vote and having a lot of hastle doing so gets lost. It's simply that I know the reality. The system is a con and people should react accordingly.
Every generation is significantly worse. This generation has way more debt than even I did and yes, the Queen is a bitch as her retarded offspring face none of the penalties of being born in England.
"Schools are constantly telling the kids to study crap. Constantly. " ;D
You could have taught History here or did you not do your Masters until leaving? If Dan works in a Bank then what is the problem ? you are just mumbling nonsense now
"Your system does not work"
My system ? The British System ? The English system ? Which system ?
" I know because I have seen the crud that is the English University system"
really and what nobody else has ? what are you saying your degree is worthless ? my degree is worthless ?
"It is a failure and I knew it then and they know it know"
Are you sure you do not mean that you failed or it failed you and so you went abroad ?
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Re: UK - Council and European Election
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
Romanian Immigration: Medical Staff Now In Highest Demand As Britain Struggles For Nurses
"After the Francis Report [into the Mid Staffordshire care scandal], the government decided hospitals needed to recruit more nurses, but there is a real shortage of trained professionals in the UK.
"The government realised it made the cuts in the wrong places. We now estimate there are 20,000 vacancies for nurses in the UK. And the homegrown supply is not sufficient. If you need new nurses quickly, you have to look overseas."
The statistics will confirm what many migrant rights experts have said about EU immigration, that migrants come to Britain to do jobs that cannot be filled with British workers.
European countries, Catton said, are unlikely to be happy with the situation of nurses and doctors taking jobs in Britain. "They pay to train them in their home countries and then they are poached for jobs in Britain. For many countries that is unacceptable".
Dr Ion Jinga, Romania's ambassador to the UK said: "The EU labour market has become increasingly competitive and every economy aims to attract bright brains and highly skilled workers. Romania’s economy is growing fast, with a 5.2% GDP growth in the final quarter of 2013 – the biggest rise in the EU – and a full-year rate of 3.5%, and the EU average growth was only 0.1%.
Isn't this an issue of Britain's University system being a complete failure rather than needing medical staff alone? Last year I taught classes of nursing students in this country and see that important jobs like this are being prepared for. If I go to hospital it is always a Korean nurse who speaks English and I appreciate that. Now why on earth are people in the UK studying English, or geography, when there is a demand for nursing?
It's easy to ignore the basic common sense that the system is simply failing British people. Schools encourage students to study crap and this is the cream of the crop now getting tens of thousands of pounds into debt as bank slaves. How about just being sensible and telling young people that nursing is useful, helpful, valued, and to guarantee conditions so that young people want to be nurses?
It is wrong to carry on this parade that 'We need these overseas workers'. We don't, we just need to accept that the system is fucked and to deal with it. England for the English isn't such a bad thing if you care about the English. If you don't then of course the media will spin it as Satanism.
Stop being so wilfully stupid. You do not live in England and go on and on about how it has changed and how you do not recognise it anymore and then in the same breath you arrogantly diagnose it from afar and prescribe an end to all it's woes as though the English themselves are nothing to do with it. I fucking live here 24 hours a day every day. I work in the Education system and seriously, truthfully, English kids do not want to work in Nursing or care because it is not seen as sexy. That is not the fault of a University that offers nursing and medical degrees that run half full because nobody wants to put the hard work in to finish the course. "England for the English" ? you sound like fucking Nick Griffin from the BNP.
Schools do not encourage students to study Krap and since when has English and Geography counted as Krap? you studied English or is it just Krap now? Not everybody wants to work in the healthcare system and so in a free Europe professionally qualified people with the right to work will move where the work is. You are the one spinning everything as Satanism because you can not simply accept that the world has moved on from your extremely boring, safe, straight conservative values. That is the hilarious truth of the matter for all your harping on you are the one stuck in his ways bemoaning Jonny foreigner and the fuzzy wuzzies taking over your beloved England whilst you swan it up in South Korea, flicking bogeys at an 80 year old lady from thousands of miles away.
Stop talking nonsense yourself then, GB.
I am speaking fact and fact only. I have taught nurses and they are generally the best students. There is no shortage of them and they will all find jobs and many will perform the jobs well. No country should have a nursing shortage. It is absurd if there is one. That is not my fault, but a failure of the Eton shits who run things there and the deluded crap schools who run things.
Geography is crap if it means my friend Dan now works in a bank. English is crap if it means Ed works in the supermarket. My history is useless if I use it to sell bets or teach English in a country not even my own. Schools are constantly telling the kids to study crap. Constantly.
All I can do is make comparisons and if they are based on experience all the better. Why doesn't Korea import nurses from Mongolia, or Japan, or China? Because we teach them here and I even taught them English. It works. Your system does not work. I know because I have seen the crud that is the English University system that now bankrupts every young person. It is a failure and I knew it then and they know it know. The anger is rising and it won't stop. The Gandalf moan has now become the zeitgeist.
I know it's an image you have of me just swanning overseas because I don't live there, but I don't swan around. In fact all I do is study language 4 hours everyday. Why do I do it? Because I have to make sure I never get fooled again. That's where me registering a vote and having a lot of hastle doing so gets lost. It's simply that I know the reality. The system is a con and people should react accordingly.
Every generation is significantly worse. This generation has way more debt than even I did and yes, the Queen is a bitch as her retarded offspring face none of the penalties of being born in England.
"Schools are constantly telling the kids to study crap. Constantly. " ;D
You could have taught History here or did you not do your Masters until leaving? If Dan works in a Bank then what is the problem ? you are just mumbling nonsense now
"Your system does not work"
My system ? The British System ? The English system
? Which system
?
" I know because I have seen the crud that is the English University system"
really and what nobody else has ? what are you saying your degree is worthless ? my degree is worthless ?
"It is a failure and I knew it then and they know it know"
Are you sure you do not mean that you failed or it failed you and so you went abroad ?
1. It is a fact the sixth forms have a vested interest to send students to do whatever.
2. The British bankruptcy inducing system. Most degrees are debt creation models only.
3. My Major in the UK was useless and for most is the same. They have it harder than me now.
4. No, I didn't fail. I gave up. If I was in the UK today, I would be bored running a branch of William Hills which is an evil corporation. Instead, I studied for an MA overseas and worked for the tertiary sector.
That doesn't improve anything though. I was doing what I could with a Britain that was declining and hated people like me. I was angry for years and still am. As a child I was made homeless and as an adult I lost my country. It is permanent war with bullshitters who really don't have any plan.
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Re: UK - Council and European Election
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dia bando
Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.:(
BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain
"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."
There is plenty of room
Plenty of room we are not building houses mate, and what are being built people can't afford them
more people means more infrastructure, our roads are in a shit state we need more Hospitals, Schools,
and of course jobs. 64 million is a big population for a small Inland, we should be growing more of
our own food to support our needs.
To many people for our Inland I say we need skilled immigrants, the poor of east Europe do not benefit
GB as there money is sent back to there home country.
The only winners are the employers who use the excuse, to drop there wage bill by 2 or 3 £ per hour,
I no this as friends of mine have lost there jobs, because of this it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth
remember people will vote Ukip , because they feel this is unjust so I can not blame them one bit.
UKip are not for me but they sure do suit some people,! and it comes as no shock they gain support,
myself I would not give UKip the time of day, but one thing all the other party's have had to take stock
and change there policy's.
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You are just being realistic, unlike Greenbeanz. His vote has no seat in reality and is reacting so. I don't blame him, he is a decent person. He is a very decent man.
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Re: UK - Council and European Election
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dia bando
Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.:(
BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain
"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."
There is plenty of room
If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.
Africa?
Yes there infiltration of African immigrants in the northwest area , seen with my own eyes my friend not from a bullshit statistic.
I ask again do you want the unskilled immigrants living rough in your streets or sleeping in the parks your kids play in ? using it as a toilet ? you still fail to answer . I have said many times its not something I want . Maybe Master can answer as you both seem to be keen on mass immigrants.
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Gandalf
You are just being realistic, unlike Greenbeanz. His vote has no seat in reality and is reacting so. I don't blame him, he is a decent person. He is a very decent man.
Yes I am being realistic I only make comment, on what I see were I live Miles and our vote
is our right, Beanz is a decent guy and I respect his views and others.
This is a debate and we all may learn something, this subject is very complicated and I feel
no quick fix will be found.
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Dark Lord Al you are entitled to your opinion but do not mix refugees with immigrants.
Also the real issues are the bankers being subsidised, cuts in public services through dogma and political ideology and millionaires being allowed to avoid taxes.
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Master
Dark Lord Al you are entitled to your opinion but do not mix refugees with immigrants.
Also the real issues are the bankers being subsidised, cuts in public services through dogma and political ideology and millionaires being allowed to avoid taxes.
Still you fail to answer the question , there are immigrants living in parks and begging on streets , I feel this is unacceptable , if you don't , I repeats if its a park where your kids play or the street where you live , do you want them there ? because it is happening right now to others , where they live.
By the way I don't care for refugees or immigrants we don't want anymore of either , as a taxpayer I don't want to give these people a penny.
This isn't about the past , Asians / afro Caribbean's etc. , this is about now I don't want anymore.
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Re: UK - Council and European Election
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Master
Dark Lord Al you are entitled to your opinion but do not mix refugees with immigrants.
Also the real issues are the bankers being subsidised, cuts in public services through dogma and political ideology and millionaires being allowed to avoid taxes.
Still you fail to answer the question , there are immigrants living in parks and begging on streets , I feel this is unacceptable , if you don't , I repeats if its a park where your kids play or the street where you live , do you want them there ? because it is happening right now to others , where they live.
By the way I don't care for refugees or immigrants we don't want anymore of either , as a taxpayer I don't want to give these people a penny.
This isn't about the past , Asians / afro Caribbean's etc. , this is about now I don't want anymore.
There is immigration, always has been and always will be. There are more people leaving than coming. We have an aging population and need people to pay for peoples pensions. I am sure these immigrants do not want to beg and sleep in parks but it seems they have no alternative.
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Re: UK - Council and European Election
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Master
Dark Lord Al you are entitled to your opinion but do not mix refugees with immigrants.
Also the real issues are the bankers being subsidised, cuts in public services through dogma and political ideology and millionaires being allowed to avoid taxes.
Still you fail to answer the question , there are immigrants living in parks and begging on streets , I feel this is unacceptable , if you don't , I repeats if its a park where your kids play or the street where you live , do you want them there ? because it is happening right now to others , where they live.
By the way I don't care for refugees or immigrants we don't want anymore of either , as a taxpayer I don't want to give these people a penny.
This isn't about the past , Asians / afro Caribbean's etc. , this is about now I don't want anymore.
There is immigration, always has been and always will be. There are more people leaving than coming. We have an aging population and need people to pay for peoples pensions. I am sure these immigrants do not want to beg and sleep in parks but it seems they have no alternative.
It is happening people are living rough and begging its is happening in someone else's street and you still fail to answer the question , typical of the blinkered do gooders , listen to the masses .
I don't care if these people want to beg or not the fact is if I want to go to Canada or Australia to live I have to be vetted and have to have a job and a nest egg , so tell me please what someone with nothing actually brings to England ?
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Originally Posted by
Master
Dark Lord Al you are entitled to your opinion but do not mix refugees with immigrants.
Also the real issues are the bankers being subsidised, cuts in public services through dogma and political ideology and millionaires being allowed to avoid taxes.
yes those are issues - but just the same as what Al highlights you knobrot. All real issues
I was out in Leeds late other night and was shocked at the number on the streets in town centre just lined up in shop doorways. Enough
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Re: UK - Council and European Election
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dia bando
Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.:(
BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain
"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."
There is plenty of room
If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.
Africa?
Yes there infiltration of African immigrants in the northwest area , seen with my own eyes my friend not from a bullshit statistic.
I ask again do you want the unskilled immigrants living rough in your streets or sleeping in the parks your kids play in ? using it as a toilet ? you still fail to answer . I have said many times its not something I want . Maybe Master can answer as you both seem to be keen on mass immigrants.
I am not keen on mass migration it is just a simple fact of life and one that has for centuries shaped the England and Britain we both live on. Sleeping rough is a fact of life for some people but the kind of picture that you paint is not one I am familiar with here in the south west. When I worked for the criminal justice system there were a few people who continued to use parks and streets as toilets despite warnings and they were offered hostels. They wanted to carry on drinking, refused the help and were banged up for a while. They were English. So no I do not want anybody having to live rough in parks or on the streets but it is something I have done. I have lived in a tent in the woods at Biggin Hill because I could not find work in Plymouth and so I found a Job working nights in a aeroparts warehouse but could not afford the deposit for a flat. After four weeks in the freezing cold winter I had saved enough deposit for a room in a shared house and worked for another six months before going back to the westcountry. I have done something similar in Italy before going to University back in England as a mature student to gain qualifications. I was unskilled labour and when the dockyards and factories closed down in the late 80's and the fishing fleet was decimated it was every bit as hard and poor down here and in Cornwall as the supposedly hard done by North.
I am not denying the galvanising power of UKIP. After years and years of not voting I felt compelled to vote this time in order to register a protest to not only the big three parties but also in response to the negative policies of UKIP. There is a third way between unchecked migration and no migration what so ever including refugees, and that is why I am constantly disappointed by the way Farrage's party seek to polarise the debate.
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Re: UK - Council and European Election
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dia bando
Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.:(
BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain
"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."
There is plenty of room
If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.
Africa?
Yes there infiltration of African immigrants in the northwest area , seen with my own eyes my friend not from a bullshit statistic.
I ask again do you want the unskilled immigrants living rough in your streets or sleeping in the parks your kids play in ? using it as a toilet ? you still fail to answer . I have said many times its not something I want . Maybe Master can answer as you both seem to be keen on mass immigrants.
I am not keen on mass migration it is just a simple fact of life and one that has for centuries shaped the England and Britain we both live on. Sleeping rough is a fact of life for some people but the kind of picture that you paint is not one I am familiar with here in the south west. When I worked for the criminal justice system there were a few people who continued to use parks and streets as toilets despite warnings and they were offered hostels. They wanted to carry on drinking, refused the help and were banged up for a while. They were English. So no I do not want anybody having to live rough in parks or on the streets but it is something I have done. I have lived in a tent in the woods at Biggin Hill because I could not find work in Plymouth and so I found a Job working nights in a aeroparts warehouse but could not afford the deposit for a flat. After four weeks in the freezing cold winter I had saved enough deposit for a room in a shared house and worked for another six months before going back to the westcountry. I have done something similar in Italy before going to University back in England as a mature student to gain qualifications. I was unskilled labour and when the dockyards and factories closed down in the late 80's and the fishing fleet was decimated it was every bit as hard and poor down here and in Cornwall as the supposedly hard done by North.
I am not denying the galvanising power of UKIP. After years and years of not voting I felt compelled to vote this time in order to register a protest to not only the big three parties but also in response to the negative policies of UKIP. There is a third way between unchecked migration and no migration what so ever including refugees, and that is why I am constantly disappointed by the way Farrage's party seek to polarise the debate.
You may be disappointed by UKIP however lots of people in the uk are not , those are the facts.
Also please explain what an Englishman who has fallen on bad luck and living rough has to do with immigrants coming over here with nothing and living rough in parks and streets , are we to be a fucking free for all for the rest of the world ?
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Mark TKO
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Master
Dark Lord Al you are entitled to your opinion but do not mix refugees with immigrants.
Also the real issues are the bankers being subsidised, cuts in public services through dogma and political ideology and millionaires being allowed to avoid taxes.
yes those are issues - but just the same as what Al highlights you knobrot. All real issues
I was out in Leeds late other night and was shocked at the number on the streets in town centre just lined up in shop doorways. Enough
The rest and most of them are doing low paid jobs that most people on benefits do not want to do such as cleaning toilets, working in care homes and doing night shifts.
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Master
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Mark TKO
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Master
Dark Lord Al you are entitled to your opinion but do not mix refugees with immigrants.
Also the real issues are the bankers being subsidised, cuts in public services through dogma and political ideology and millionaires being allowed to avoid taxes.
yes those are issues - but just the same as what Al highlights you knobrot. All real issues
I was out in Leeds late other night and was shocked at the number on the streets in town centre just lined up in shop doorways. Enough
The rest and most of them are doing low paid jobs that most people on benefits do not want to do such as cleaning toilets, working in care homes and doing night shifts.
So you make the people on the dole do those job for fucks sake , you change the system , if an immigrant is on a low income he doesn't even pay tax , and we give his family and him health care and education , for fucks sake do the fucking maths .
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Re: UK - Council and European Election
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dia bando
Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.:(
BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain
"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."
There is plenty of room
If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.
Africa?
Yes there infiltration of African immigrants in the northwest area , seen with my own eyes my friend not from a bullshit statistic.
I ask again do you want the unskilled immigrants living rough in your streets or sleeping in the parks your kids play in ? using it as a toilet ? you still fail to answer . I have said many times its not something I want . Maybe Master can answer as you both seem to be keen on mass immigrants.
I am not keen on mass migration it is just a simple fact of life and one that has for centuries shaped the England and Britain we both live on. Sleeping rough is a fact of life for some people but the kind of picture that you paint is not one I am familiar with here in the south west. When I worked for the criminal justice system there were a few people who continued to use parks and streets as toilets despite warnings and they were offered hostels. They wanted to carry on drinking, refused the help and were banged up for a while. They were English. So no I do not want anybody having to live rough in parks or on the streets but it is something I have done. I have lived in a tent in the woods at Biggin Hill because I could not find work in Plymouth and so I found a Job working nights in a aeroparts warehouse but could not afford the deposit for a flat. After four weeks in the freezing cold winter I had saved enough deposit for a room in a shared house and worked for another six months before going back to the westcountry. I have done something similar in Italy before going to University back in England as a mature student to gain qualifications. I was unskilled labour and when the dockyards and factories closed down in the late 80's and the fishing fleet was decimated it was every bit as hard and poor down here and in Cornwall as the supposedly hard done by North.
I am not denying the galvanising power of UKIP. After years and years of not voting I felt compelled to vote this time in order to register a protest to not only the big three parties but also in response to the negative policies of UKIP. There is a third way between unchecked migration and no migration what so ever including refugees, and that is why I am constantly disappointed by the way Farrage's party seek to polarise the debate.
You may be disappointed by UKIP however lots of people in the uk are not , those are the facts.
Also please explain what an Englishman who has fallen on bad luck and living rough has to do with immigrants coming over here with nothing and living rough in parks and streets , are we to be a fucking free for all for the rest of the world ?
Why don't you explain what you actually mean ? You don't want anybody from abroad coming to England anymore whether they are from Europe or anywhere else in the world. Whether they are a refugee or a migrant worker unless they have a large nest egg and a skill or trade ? is that right ? only huge numbers of migrants come here with skills and trades and set up businesses and employ people. Those people actually contribute more to the system than they take out but you choose to never mention them as though they do not exist.
You can call me a do gooder and put your fingers in your ears but that is the truth. I went to Italy as an unskilled worker because I could not find work in England just as Europeans come from abroad to work here, that is how a free market capitalist society works. English leave to live in France and Spain in their droves and the French and many Spanish don't like it, but unless European law changes they are not doing anything wrong. You can not come to the UK from Europe with no job and claim benefits so how are we a fucking free for all for the rest of the world?
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Re: UK - Council and European Election
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dia bando
Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.:(
BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain
"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."
There is plenty of room
If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.
Africa?
Yes there infiltration of African immigrants in the northwest area , seen with my own eyes my friend not from a bullshit statistic.
I ask again do you want the unskilled immigrants living rough in your streets or sleeping in the parks your kids play in ? using it as a toilet ? you still fail to answer . I have said many times its not something I want . Maybe Master can answer as you both seem to be keen on mass immigrants.
I am not keen on mass migration it is just a simple fact of life and one that has for centuries shaped the England and Britain we both live on. Sleeping rough is a fact of life for some people but the kind of picture that you paint is not one I am familiar with here in the south west. When I worked for the criminal justice system there were a few people who continued to use parks and streets as toilets despite warnings and they were offered hostels. They wanted to carry on drinking, refused the help and were banged up for a while. They were English. So no I do not want anybody having to live rough in parks or on the streets but it is something I have done. I have lived in a tent in the woods at Biggin Hill because I could not find work in Plymouth and so I found a Job working nights in a aeroparts warehouse but could not afford the deposit for a flat. After four weeks in the freezing cold winter I had saved enough deposit for a room in a shared house and worked for another six months before going back to the westcountry. I have done something similar in Italy before going to University back in England as a mature student to gain qualifications. I was unskilled labour and when the dockyards and factories closed down in the late 80's and the fishing fleet was decimated it was every bit as hard and poor down here and in Cornwall as the supposedly hard done by North.
I am not denying the galvanising power of UKIP. After years and years of not voting I felt compelled to vote this time in order to register a protest to not only the big three parties but also in response to the negative policies of UKIP. There is a third way between unchecked migration and no migration what so ever including refugees, and that is why I am constantly disappointed by the way Farrage's party seek to polarise the debate.
You may be disappointed by UKIP however lots of people in the uk are not , those are the facts.
Also please explain what an Englishman who has fallen on bad luck and living rough has to do with immigrants coming over here with nothing and living rough in parks and streets , are we to be a fucking free for all for the rest of the world ?
Why don't you explain what you actually mean ? You don't want anybody from abroad coming to England anymore whether they are from Europe or anywhere else in the world. Whether they are a refugee or a migrant worker unless they have a large nest egg and a skill or trade ? is that right ? only huge numbers of migrants come here with skills and trades and set up businesses and employ people. Those people actually contribute more to the system than they take out but you choose to never mention them as though they do not exist.
You can call me a do gooder and put your fingers in your ears but that is the truth. I went to Italy as an unskilled worker because I could not find work in England just as Europeans come from abroad to work here, that is how a free market capitalist society works. English leave to live in France and Spain in their droves and the French and many Spanish don't like it,
but unless European law changes they are not doing anything wrong. You can not come to the UK from Europe with no job and claim benefits so how are we a fucking free for all for the rest of the world?
What do you think the vote for UKIP was for ?
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Re: UK - Council and European Election
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Dia bando
Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.:(
BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain
"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."
There is plenty of room
If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.
Africa?
Yes there infiltration of African immigrants in the northwest area , seen with my own eyes my friend not from a bullshit statistic.
I ask again do you want the unskilled immigrants living rough in your streets or sleeping in the parks your kids play in ? using it as a toilet ? you still fail to answer . I have said many times its not something I want . Maybe Master can answer as you both seem to be keen on mass immigrants.
I am not keen on mass migration it is just a simple fact of life and one that has for centuries shaped the England and Britain we both live on. Sleeping rough is a fact of life for some people but the kind of picture that you paint is not one I am familiar with here in the south west. When I worked for the criminal justice system there were a few people who continued to use parks and streets as toilets despite warnings and they were offered hostels. They wanted to carry on drinking, refused the help and were banged up for a while. They were English. So no I do not want anybody having to live rough in parks or on the streets but it is something I have done. I have lived in a tent in the woods at Biggin Hill because I could not find work in Plymouth and so I found a Job working nights in a aeroparts warehouse but could not afford the deposit for a flat. After four weeks in the freezing cold winter I had saved enough deposit for a room in a shared house and worked for another six months before going back to the westcountry. I have done something similar in Italy before going to University back in England as a mature student to gain qualifications. I was unskilled labour and when the dockyards and factories closed down in the late 80's and the fishing fleet was decimated it was every bit as hard and poor down here and in Cornwall as the supposedly hard done by North.
I am not denying the galvanising power of UKIP. After years and years of not voting I felt compelled to vote this time in order to register a protest to not only the big three parties but also in response to the negative policies of UKIP. There is a third way between unchecked migration and no migration what so ever including refugees, and that is why I am constantly disappointed by the way Farrage's party seek to polarise the debate.
You may be disappointed by UKIP however lots of people in the uk are not , those are the facts.
Also please explain what an Englishman who has fallen on bad luck and living rough has to do with immigrants coming over here with nothing and living rough in parks and streets , are we to be a fucking free for all for the rest of the world ?
Why don't you explain what you actually mean ? You don't want anybody from abroad coming to England anymore whether they are from Europe or anywhere else in the world. Whether they are a refugee or a migrant worker unless they have a large nest egg and a skill or trade ? is that right ? only huge numbers of migrants come here with skills and trades and set up businesses and employ people. Those people actually contribute more to the system than they take out but you choose to never mention them as though they do not exist.
You can call me a do gooder and put your fingers in your ears but that is the truth. I went to Italy as an unskilled worker because I could not find work in England just as Europeans come from abroad to work here, that is how a free market capitalist society works. English leave to live in France and Spain in their droves and the French and many Spanish don't like it, but unless European law changes they are not doing anything wrong.
You can not come to the UK from Europe with no job and claim benefits so how are we a fucking free for all for the rest of the world?
So I ask again, if that statement is true , what do we do with the people living rough on the streets from other countries ? people who have been deported and returned ? people who we have paid to deport and they have come back ?
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Re: UK - Council and European Election
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dia bando
Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.:(
BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain
"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."
There is plenty of room
If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.
Africa?
Yes there infiltration of African immigrants in the northwest area , seen with my own eyes my friend not from a bullshit statistic.
I ask again do you want the unskilled immigrants living rough in your streets or sleeping in the parks your kids play in ? using it as a toilet ? you still fail to answer . I have said many times its not something I want . Maybe Master can answer as you both seem to be keen on mass immigrants.
I am not keen on mass migration it is just a simple fact of life and one that has for centuries shaped the England and Britain we both live on. Sleeping rough is a fact of life for some people but the kind of picture that you paint is not one I am familiar with here in the south west. When I worked for the criminal justice system there were a few people who continued to use parks and streets as toilets despite warnings and they were offered hostels. They wanted to carry on drinking, refused the help and were banged up for a while. They were English. So no I do not want anybody having to live rough in parks or on the streets but it is something I have done. I have lived in a tent in the woods at Biggin Hill because I could not find work in Plymouth and so I found a Job working nights in a aeroparts warehouse but could not afford the deposit for a flat. After four weeks in the freezing cold winter I had saved enough deposit for a room in a shared house and worked for another six months before going back to the westcountry. I have done something similar in Italy before going to University back in England as a mature student to gain qualifications. I was unskilled labour and when the dockyards and factories closed down in the late 80's and the fishing fleet was decimated it was every bit as hard and poor down here and in Cornwall as the supposedly hard done by North.
I am not denying the galvanising power of UKIP. After years and years of not voting I felt compelled to vote this time in order to register a protest to not only the big three parties but also in response to the negative policies of UKIP. There is a third way between unchecked migration and no migration what so ever including refugees, and that is why I am constantly disappointed by the way Farrage's party seek to polarise the debate.
You may be disappointed by UKIP however lots of people in the uk are not , those are the facts.
Also please explain what an Englishman who has fallen on bad luck and living rough has to do with immigrants coming over here with nothing and living rough in parks and streets , are we to be a fucking free for all for the rest of the world ?
Why don't you explain what you actually mean ? You don't want anybody from abroad coming to England anymore whether they are from Europe or anywhere else in the world. Whether they are a refugee or a migrant worker unless they have a large nest egg and a skill or trade ? is that right ? only huge numbers of migrants come here with skills and trades and set up businesses and employ people. Those people actually contribute more to the system than they take out but you choose to never mention them as though they do not exist.
You can call me a do gooder and put your fingers in your ears but that is the truth. I went to Italy as an unskilled worker because I could not find work in England just as Europeans come from abroad to work here, that is how a free market capitalist society works. English leave to live in France and Spain in their droves and the French and many Spanish don't like it,
but unless European law changes they are not doing anything wrong. You can not come to the UK from Europe with no job and claim benefits so how are we a fucking free for all for the rest of the world?
What do you think the vote for UKIP was for ?
For some people it was a protest vote in frustration at the failure of conventional parties to listen to their concerns. For others it was a way to express a disdain for immigrants and refugees. It was in many ways a wasted vote though. UKIP do not have policies other than let's get out of Europe.
LOCAL ELECTIONS
How does that help a local councillor to do his job and represent his constituents when he has no control over national immigration policy ? A wasted vote. Meanwhile the local majority party holds sway with nothing relevant to local issues raised by the UKIP representative who campaigned on only ONE irrelevant issue.
EUROPEAN ELECTIONS
How can UKIP defend paying themselves wages as MEPS when again the only issue they have an opinion on is not being part of the European Union? A member from any number of other parties could stand up for British interests when common agricultural or fisheries matters are discussed or European development grants that help create British Jobs but the UKIP member will not stand up for the UK because again the only issue he has an opinion on is membership of the European Union.
If UKIP really want to lead Britain out of the European Union they need to stand for election to the UK Houses of Parliament.
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Re: UK - Council and European Election
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dia bando
Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.:(
BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain
"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."
There is plenty of room
If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.
Africa?
Yes there infiltration of African immigrants in the northwest area , seen with my own eyes my friend not from a bullshit statistic.
I ask again do you want the unskilled immigrants living rough in your streets or sleeping in the parks your kids play in ? using it as a toilet ? you still fail to answer . I have said many times its not something I want . Maybe Master can answer as you both seem to be keen on mass immigrants.
I am not keen on mass migration it is just a simple fact of life and one that has for centuries shaped the England and Britain we both live on. Sleeping rough is a fact of life for some people but the kind of picture that you paint is not one I am familiar with here in the south west. When I worked for the criminal justice system there were a few people who continued to use parks and streets as toilets despite warnings and they were offered hostels. They wanted to carry on drinking, refused the help and were banged up for a while. They were English. So no I do not want anybody having to live rough in parks or on the streets but it is something I have done. I have lived in a tent in the woods at Biggin Hill because I could not find work in Plymouth and so I found a Job working nights in a aeroparts warehouse but could not afford the deposit for a flat. After four weeks in the freezing cold winter I had saved enough deposit for a room in a shared house and worked for another six months before going back to the westcountry. I have done something similar in Italy before going to University back in England as a mature student to gain qualifications. I was unskilled labour and when the dockyards and factories closed down in the late 80's and the fishing fleet was decimated it was every bit as hard and poor down here and in Cornwall as the supposedly hard done by North.
I am not denying the galvanising power of UKIP. After years and years of not voting I felt compelled to vote this time in order to register a protest to not only the big three parties but also in response to the negative policies of UKIP. There is a third way between unchecked migration and no migration what so ever including refugees, and that is why I am constantly disappointed by the way Farrage's party seek to polarise the debate.
You may be disappointed by UKIP however lots of people in the uk are not , those are the facts.
Also please explain what an Englishman who has fallen on bad luck and living rough has to do with immigrants coming over here with nothing and living rough in parks and streets , are we to be a fucking free for all for the rest of the world ?
Why don't you explain what you actually mean ? You don't want anybody from abroad coming to England anymore whether they are from Europe or anywhere else in the world. Whether they are a refugee or a migrant worker unless they have a large nest egg and a skill or trade ? is that right ? only huge numbers of migrants come here with skills and trades and set up businesses and employ people. Those people actually contribute more to the system than they take out but you choose to never mention them as though they do not exist.
You can call me a do gooder and put your fingers in your ears but that is the truth. I went to Italy as an unskilled worker because I could not find work in England just as Europeans come from abroad to work here, that is how a free market capitalist society works. English leave to live in France and Spain in their droves and the French and many Spanish don't like it, but unless European law changes they are not doing anything wrong.
You can not come to the UK from Europe with no job and claim benefits so how are we a fucking free for all for the rest of the world?
So I ask again, if that statement is true , what do we do with the people living rough on the streets from other countries ? people who have been deported and returned ? people who we have paid to deport and they have come back ?
You didn't answer the question.
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Dark Lord Al
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Dark Lord Al
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Greenbeanz
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Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.:(
BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain
"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."
There is plenty of room
If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.
Africa?
Yes there infiltration of African immigrants in the northwest area , seen with my own eyes my friend not from a bullshit statistic.
I ask again do you want the unskilled immigrants living rough in your streets or sleeping in the parks your kids play in ? using it as a toilet ? you still fail to answer . I have said many times its not something I want . Maybe Master can answer as you both seem to be keen on mass immigrants.
I am not keen on mass migration it is just a simple fact of life and one that has for centuries shaped the England and Britain we both live on. Sleeping rough is a fact of life for some people but the kind of picture that you paint is not one I am familiar with here in the south west. When I worked for the criminal justice system there were a few people who continued to use parks and streets as toilets despite warnings and they were offered hostels. They wanted to carry on drinking, refused the help and were banged up for a while. They were English. So no I do not want anybody having to live rough in parks or on the streets but it is something I have done. I have lived in a tent in the woods at Biggin Hill because I could not find work in Plymouth and so I found a Job working nights in a aeroparts warehouse but could not afford the deposit for a flat. After four weeks in the freezing cold winter I had saved enough deposit for a room in a shared house and worked for another six months before going back to the westcountry. I have done something similar in Italy before going to University back in England as a mature student to gain qualifications. I was unskilled labour and when the dockyards and factories closed down in the late 80's and the fishing fleet was decimated it was every bit as hard and poor down here and in Cornwall as the supposedly hard done by North.
I am not denying the galvanising power of UKIP. After years and years of not voting I felt compelled to vote this time in order to register a protest to not only the big three parties but also in response to the negative policies of UKIP. There is a third way between unchecked migration and no migration what so ever including refugees, and that is why I am constantly disappointed by the way Farrage's party seek to polarise the debate.
You may be disappointed by UKIP however lots of people in the uk are not , those are the facts.
Also please explain what an Englishman who has fallen on bad luck and living rough has to do with immigrants coming over here with nothing and living rough in parks and streets , are we to be a fucking free for all for the rest of the world ?
Why don't you explain what you actually mean ? You don't want anybody from abroad coming to England anymore whether they are from Europe or anywhere else in the world. Whether they are a refugee or a migrant worker unless they have a large nest egg and a skill or trade ? is that right ? only huge numbers of migrants come here with skills and trades and set up businesses and employ people. Those people actually contribute more to the system than they take out but you choose to never mention them as though they do not exist.
You can call me a do gooder and put your fingers in your ears but that is the truth. I went to Italy as an unskilled worker because I could not find work in England just as Europeans come from abroad to work here, that is how a free market capitalist society works. English leave to live in France and Spain in their droves and the French and many Spanish don't like it, but unless European law changes they are not doing anything wrong.
You can not come to the UK from Europe with no job and claim benefits so how are we a fucking free for all for the rest of the world?
So I ask again, if that statement is true , what do we do with the people living rough on the streets from other countries ? people who have been deported and returned ? people who we have paid to deport and they have come back ?
You didn't answer the question.
If you want someone to bark for you get a dog. I posted my reply before I saw your question which I have answered before in other threads. The UK immigration authorities will arrest and deport them. And the statement
You can not come to the UK from Europe with no job and claim benefits
is true.
You are constantly choosing to mix up legal and illegal migration. Illegal migration is a huge problem but not as much as in many other places in the world.
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Just because a dog is born in a stable..doesnt make it a horse.
Ukip will rise and rise as everyone believes the media is soooo fed up with the tories and the wrong brother leader for labour.
Behind closed doors we all know how a certain person might feel and unfortunately ukip has came at the perfect time for all of this.
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People want jobs but why have more immigration, when we don't have jobs or housing for
them, it's not rocket science is it.!;)
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Well there are jobs for them if they are willing to work for less and undercut the British worker.
I see Greenbeanz makes the distinction between legal and illegal immigration and myself don't see a distinction. There has never been an open debate and referendum on immigration, thus all immigration is illegitimate. Now if a case was made that key jobs need to be filled from overseas then make it, but don't open up the borders on the sly, as was done, and 3 million later, say 'Ooh, I'm surprised you noticed'.
No more Europe and no more open borders and it works both ways. Britain should adopt a policy like most countries do and perhaps encourage parents to be better parents like here where every kid wants to be either a doctor, nurse, businessman, etc. In the UK it's all 'Ooh, I'm going to be a singer and if that fails I will study English drama'. Just idiocy. 'Nursing is not sexy enough' and geology and sociology are? Nursing is useful and far more useful than the latter two options. If we are judging sexiness it is one of the sexier courses on a factual basis. The failure of Britain is institutional and also embedded deep in the rotten core of the family unit where too many families living on the dole, couldn't care less what the kid should be. If the families are working ones then equally, the child has to be a neglected as there is no time for him. He makes up his own mind a football player it is. Just useless. Thus the English grow up deluded, out of touch, then inevitably fail against immigrants who know it's just about doing anything to scrape by. Unfortunately by this stage English kids are in 40000 pounds of debt and and at a greater disadvantage. It's an abusive system.
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Gandalf
Well there are jobs for them if they are willing to work for less and undercut the British worker.
I see Greenbeanz makes the distinction between legal and illegal immigration and myself don't see a distinction. There has never been an open debate and referendum on immigration, thus all immigration is illegitimate. Now if a case was made that key jobs need to be filled from overseas then make it, but don't open up the borders on the sly, as was done, and 3 million later, say 'Ooh, I'm surprised you noticed'.
No more Europe and no more open borders and it works both ways. Britain should adopt a policy like most countries do and perhaps encourage parents to be better parents like here where every kid wants to be either a doctor, nurse, businessman, etc. In the UK it's all 'Ooh, I'm going to be a singer and if that fails I will study English drama'. Just idiocy. 'Nursing is not sexy enough' and geology and sociology are? Nursing is useful and far more useful than the latter two options. If we are judging sexiness it is one of the sexier courses on a factual basis. The failure of Britain is institutional and also embedded deep in the rotten core of the family unit where too many families living on the dole, couldn't care less what the kid should be. If the families are working ones then equally, the child has to be a neglected as there is no time for him. He makes up his own mind a football player it is. Just useless. Thus the English grow up deluded, out of touch, then inevitably fail against immigrants who know it's just about doing anything to scrape by. Unfortunately by this stage English kids are in 40000 pounds of debt and and at a greater disadvantage. It's an abusive system.
Stars in there eyes Miles you could say, perhaps we need employ our own first and stop employing
immigrant workers, you walk in some factory's you would be hard pressed to find English being spoken
I kid you not, well that's what it's like in some places.!
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I've heard about it first hand. My friend Ritchie is the last man standing in an egg factory surrounded by Poles. It's absurd how this has happened and my only suggestion is to treat it as an occupation and react accordingly. The system is an occupation, this in no way resembles or reflects a government run in the interests of the general public. When this happens the system is illegitimate and people need to become the law. You don't follow the law, you become the law and this is done in numerous ways.
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I don't vote but if I did vote I would have voted UKIP. I'm hoping the EU doesn't reform significantly especially as far as the free movement of labour goes and we could see UKIP become a serious political force and hold the balance of power within a couple of elections.
I really like what the Front National are standing for in France. A decent welfare stste to protect citizens from the ravages of globalisation, protection of domestic industry from the ravages of globalisation, government running the banking system, an end to corporate/big business control of the economy and the G4Sisation of government services and of course boot all the recent immigrants out. This is the recipe that advanced economies need to adopt along with some kind of immigration points qualification system like Australia has so that we can let in regulated non-domestic-labour-rates-cutting numbers of honest hard-working skilled people and keep all the scum out.
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Gandalf
Well there are jobs for them if they are willing to work for less and undercut the British worker.
I see Greenbeanz makes the distinction between legal and illegal immigration and myself don't see a distinction. There has never been an open debate and referendum on immigration, thus all immigration is illegitimate. Now if a case was made that key jobs need to be filled from overseas then make it, but don't open up the borders on the sly, as was done, and 3 million later, say 'Ooh, I'm surprised you noticed'.
No more Europe and no more open borders and it works both ways. Britain should adopt a policy like most countries do and perhaps encourage parents to be better parents like here where every kid wants to be either a doctor, nurse, businessman, etc. In the UK it's all 'Ooh, I'm going to be a singer and if that fails I will study English drama'. Just idiocy. 'Nursing is not sexy enough' and geology and sociology are? Nursing is useful and far more useful than the latter two options. If we are judging sexiness it is one of the sexier courses on a factual basis. The failure of Britain is institutional and also embedded deep in the rotten core of the family unit where too many families living on the dole, couldn't care less what the kid should be. If the families are working ones then equally, the child has to be a neglected as there is no time for him. He makes up his own mind a football player it is. Just useless. Thus the English grow up deluded, out of touch, then inevitably fail against immigrants who know it's just about doing anything to scrape by. Unfortunately by this stage English kids are in 40000 pounds of debt and and at a greater disadvantage. It's an abusive system.
You therefore have nothing useful to add to this or any other debate and anything you say about any subject should be disregarded as stuff and nonsense. You are saying that as an Immigrant yourself, who though thinking his own degree is worthless still seems to think that he is more deserving of bettering himself than people without a degree. You continually slag of England and the English and yet want to be seen as an Englishman abroad. Call yourself a socialist? IF parents are stupid and the English are useless then why do you pretend to care ? Browny points ?
Take one of your statements and think about how stupid and arrogant it sounds
If the families are working ones then equally, the child has to be a neglected as there is no time for him
Has to be ? why ? only to fit your argument. You seem to want to damn people for not working and staying home to look after their kids and then damn them for working and not being at home 24hrs a day to look after their kids. It is you that has grown up deluded and out of touch.
You have completely weighted the whole debate so that immigration in all its forms in Britain is now framed as lazy spongers coming to live on benefits or unskilled bogeymen coming to undercut British workers. That is both dishonest and cowardly. You have done nothing but seek to appeal to the basest and most crass warping of the truth in order to curry favour with your populist stance. Why do you think the English inevitably fail ? just because you have left don't look at everyone else through such a distorted and narrow lens.
You silly ideas about Governments adopting a policy to make them more like South Korea is just fairly tale jibberish. For years top level consultants have been employed from India and Asia in the NHS because most British kids do not want to devote 7 years to studying medicine and the fact that Asian kids do is a cultural difference. You are suggesting homogenising an entire country to make us all more like Asians ? How the fuck is that going to work you daft twat? Stop going on and on about the failure of Britain. Failure in what? Does South Korea have a better football team? no Does South Korea have better actors and film and television technicians ? no? Does South Korea have a better track record of innovation through small engineering businesses ? no .Does South Korea have a better range of restaurants considered amongst the best in the world ? No Does South Korea have a more thriving arts sector ? no Does South Korea have a more thriving Tourist sector ? No Does South Korea have anything on Britain other than a huge electronic manufacturing sector filled with automaton production line workers like something out of a George Orwell novel? No
So why keep slagging off England ? "No more Europe and no more open borders" is a stance and an opinion you are entitled to if you live or vote in the UK but you don't so who gives a fuck what you think ?
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I don't vote but if I did vote I would have voted UKIP. I'm hoping the EU doesn't reform significantly especially as far as the free movement of labour goes and we could see UKIP become a serious political force and hold the balance of power within a couple of elections.
I really like what the Front National are standing for in France. A decent welfare stste to protect citizens from the ravages of globalisation, protection of domestic industry from the ravages of globalisation, government running the banking system, an end to corporate/big business control of the economy and the G4Sisation of government services and of course boot all the recent immigrants out. This is the recipe that advanced economies need to adopt along with some kind of immigration points qualification system like Australia has so that we can let in regulated non-domestic-labour-rates-cutting numbers of honest hard-working skilled people and keep all the scum out.
All that with your little free Palestine Giff featuring the Pope. Statements like
"and of course boot all the recent immigrants out"
and
"keep all the scum out"
reveals your hand and loses you many a future poker game.
"ALL the recent immigrants" ?
Does that mean skilled and unskilled ? All the chefs? All the restaurant owners? All the teachers? All the consultants, doctors and care staff? all the scientists? all the interpreters? all the people who have stared small businesses employing English ? All the students? all the actors? all the bar staff?
Define recent
this year
last year
last decade
since the 70's
since the 50's
since the 1900's ?
Just the Europeans ? what about the Indians ? or the Pakistanis ? or the Afro-Caribbeans? or the Somalis or how about the Jews? the Australians ? The Americans? The Canadians?
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Dark Lord Al
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Master
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Master
Dark Lord Al you are entitled to your opinion but do not mix refugees with immigrants.
Also the real issues are the bankers being subsidised, cuts in public services through dogma and political ideology and millionaires being allowed to avoid taxes.
yes those are issues - but just the same as what Al highlights you knobrot. All real issues
I was out in Leeds late other night and was shocked at the number on the streets in town centre just lined up in shop doorways. Enough
The rest and most of them are doing low paid jobs that most people on benefits do not want to do such as cleaning toilets, working in care homes and doing night shifts.
So you make the people on the dole do those job for fucks sake , you change the system , if an immigrant is on a low income he doesn't even pay tax , and we give his family and him health care and education , for fucks sake do the fucking maths .
Do you see me write aggressively, getting emotional, swearing and calling you names?
Reality is the immigrants work for below the minimum wage which is why people are benefits do not take them as they are better off on benefits. They are here because they can earn a better standard of living here than over there. Yes they use the NHS and some commit crimes but where they can they contribute to our culture, society and the economy, as will their children and subsequent generation.
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Master
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Dark Lord Al
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Master
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Mark TKO
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Master
Dark Lord Al you are entitled to your opinion but do not mix refugees with immigrants.
Also the real issues are the bankers being subsidised, cuts in public services through dogma and political ideology and millionaires being allowed to avoid taxes.
yes those are issues - but just the same as what Al highlights you knobrot. All real issues
I was out in Leeds late other night and was shocked at the number on the streets in town centre just lined up in shop doorways. Enough
The rest and most of them are doing low paid jobs that most people on benefits do not want to do such as cleaning toilets, working in care homes and doing night shifts.
So you make the people on the dole do those job for fucks sake , you change the system , if an immigrant is on a low income he doesn't even pay tax , and we give his family and him health care and education , for fucks sake do the fucking maths .
Do you see me write aggressively, getting emotional, swearing and calling you names?
Reality is the immigrants work for below the minimum wage which is why people are benefits do not take them as they are better off on benefits. They are here because they can earn a better standard of living here than over there. Yes they use the NHS and some commit crimes but where they can they contribute to our culture, society and the economy, as will their children and subsequent generation.
I agree with you on some point, but driving wages does not help any body bar the employers, and
the employers are taking advantage of this lower wages, friends of mine have lost there jobs to
eastern block workers, they lost there jobs of £7 plus per hour and there jobs went to eastern block
workers on less than minimum wage.
Sorry to say this is happening all over the country, and UKIP have a field day with this information
true, but they never say about the employers exploiting workers immigrant and non immigrant workers
it a disgrace. We are returning to the dark ages, cap in hand, groveling on hands and knees, to the
bosses, we are now devolving it makes me sick.:(
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Originally Posted by
Dia bando
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Mark TKO
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Originally Posted by
Master
Dark Lord Al you are entitled to your opinion but do not mix refugees with immigrants.
Also the real issues are the bankers being subsidised, cuts in public services through dogma and political ideology and millionaires being allowed to avoid taxes.
yes those are issues - but just the same as what Al highlights you knobrot. All real issues
I was out in Leeds late other night and was shocked at the number on the streets in town centre just lined up in shop doorways. Enough
The rest and most of them are doing low paid jobs that most people on benefits do not want to do such as cleaning toilets, working in care homes and doing night shifts.
So you make the people on the dole do those job for fucks sake , you change the system , if an immigrant is on a low income he doesn't even pay tax , and we give his family and him health care and education , for fucks sake do the fucking maths .
Do you see me write aggressively, getting emotional, swearing and calling you names?
Reality is the immigrants work for below the minimum wage which is why people are benefits do not take them as they are better off on benefits. They are here because they can earn a better standard of living here than over there. Yes they use the NHS and some commit crimes but where they can they contribute to our culture, society and the economy, as will their children and subsequent generation.
I agree with you on some point, but driving wages does not help any body bar the employers, and
the employers are taking advantage of this lower wages, friends of mine have lost there jobs to
eastern block workers, they lost there jobs of £7 plus per hour and there jobs went to eastern block
workers on less than minimum wage.
Sorry to say this is happening all over the country, and UKIP have a field day with this information
true, but they never say about the employers exploiting workers immigrant and non immigrant workers
it a disgrace. We are returning to the dark ages, cap in hand, groveling on hands and knees, to the
bosses, we are now devolving it makes me sick.:(
What can be worse is that these people have to pay the traffickers which gets them in further debt.
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I have no problem with people moving to England to better there lives. If you are born in a poor country with little opportunities why stay there and suffer? We are lucky to have been born in a wealthy prospering country. Why not share that with others who are less fortunate?
The real problem is people who live in this country and choose not to work and instead live off benefits. They come from both sides. People born in England and people who have immigrated here. I would happily deport them to a desert island.
But we can't stop people who want to come to England to better themselves and improve there family's lives that's just wrong.
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Gandalf
Well there are jobs for them if they are willing to work for less and undercut the British worker.
I see Greenbeanz makes the distinction between legal and illegal immigration and myself don't see a distinction. There has never been an open debate and referendum on immigration, thus all immigration is illegitimate. Now if a case was made that key jobs need to be filled from overseas then make it, but don't open up the borders on the sly, as was done, and 3 million later, say 'Ooh, I'm surprised you noticed'.
No more Europe and no more open borders and it works both ways. Britain should adopt a policy like most countries do and perhaps encourage parents to be better parents like here where every kid wants to be either a doctor, nurse, businessman, etc. In the UK it's all 'Ooh, I'm going to be a singer and if that fails I will study English drama'. Just idiocy. 'Nursing is not sexy enough' and geology and sociology are? Nursing is useful and far more useful than the latter two options. If we are judging sexiness it is one of the sexier courses on a factual basis. The failure of Britain is institutional and also embedded deep in the rotten core of the family unit where too many families living on the dole, couldn't care less what the kid should be. If the families are working ones then equally, the child has to be a neglected as there is no time for him. He makes up his own mind a football player it is. Just useless. Thus the English grow up deluded, out of touch, then inevitably fail against immigrants who know it's just about doing anything to scrape by. Unfortunately by this stage English kids are in 40000 pounds of debt and and at a greater disadvantage. It's an abusive system.
You therefore have nothing useful to add to this or any other debate and anything you say about any subject should be disregarded as stuff and nonsense. You are saying that as an Immigrant yourself, who though thinking his own degree is worthless still seems to think that he is more deserving of bettering himself than people without a degree. You continually slag of England and the English and yet want to be seen as an Englishman abroad. Call yourself a socialist? IF parents are stupid and the English are useless then why do you pretend to care ? Browny points ?
Take one of your statements and think about how stupid and arrogant it sounds
If the families are working ones then equally, the child has to be a neglected as there is no time for him
Has to be ? why ? only to fit your argument. You seem to want to damn people for not working and staying home to look after their kids and then damn them for working and not being at home 24hrs a day to look after their kids. It is you that has grown up deluded and out of touch.
You have completely weighted the whole debate so that immigration in all its forms in Britain is now framed as lazy spongers coming to live on benefits or unskilled bogeymen coming to undercut British workers. That is both dishonest and cowardly. You have done nothing but seek to appeal to the basest and most crass warping of the truth in order to curry favour with your populist stance. Why do you think the English inevitably fail ? just because you have left don't look at everyone else through such a distorted and narrow lens.
You silly ideas about Governments adopting a policy to make them more like South Korea is just fairly tale jibberish. For years top level consultants have been employed from India and Asia in the NHS because most British kids do not want to devote 7 years to studying medicine and the fact that Asian kids do is a cultural difference. You are suggesting homogenising an entire country to make us all more like Asians ? How the fuck is that going to work you daft twat? Stop going on and on about the failure of Britain. Failure in what? Does South Korea have a better football team? no Does South Korea have better actors and film and television technicians ? no? Does South Korea have a better track record of innovation through small engineering businesses ? no .Does South Korea have a better range of restaurants considered amongst the best in the world ? No Does South Korea have a more thriving arts sector ? no Does South Korea have a more thriving Tourist sector ? No Does South Korea have anything on Britain other than a huge electronic manufacturing sector filled with automaton production line workers like something out of a George Orwell novel? No
So why keep slagging off England ? "No more Europe and no more open borders" is a stance and an opinion you are entitled to if you live or vote in the UK but you don't so who gives a fuck what you think ?
Too many points and too late in the day for me to offer a good post, but I'll give it a stab. Most English people would probably agree that legal, but non referendum based mass immigration is illegitimate. Likewise, illegal immigration is also bad.
In my comments on degrees my own BA was pretty useless at doing anything in the UK. My second one was much more useful and obtained years later with a specific job in mind. Most students go to University based on the former and its more about a social life and than any meaningful job the degree will get them. Many courses exists simply to put bums on seats. I also made in my point that Korea controls who can come in to teach, we must all have degrees. The immigrants in Europe are not based on credentials and so whilst you get some good, you also get a lot of riff raff. Me with a teaching MA and university experience puts me above most. I simply don't count my BA. My other point is that Korean students generally choose useful courses rather than drivel like sociology and anthropology.
In a statement about parenting in modern Britain I see children having a harder time. If they are with a benefits family, they are often ignored and run riot. If they are from a hard working family then they suffer as there is no time for the child. These are generalisations, but I assume they hold true generally.
I will tell you one cultural reason why the English fail. It is because of Daddy government. The Queen is the ultimate example of a welfare Queen. Then we have the banks who all love Daddy government when it goes wrong. Then when society goes tits up and youngsters see no way to advance, getting knocked up and becoming a lazy, welfare queen seems the ticket too. These attitudes of entitlement run from top to bottom and who want to try when you can show your tits in a mag, marry a rich man, or all else failing just get impregnated. It an English disease. Highest rates of teen pregnancy and something that doesn't happen here. Abortions or forced to give the child up and right on too.
My suggestions are simply that Korea is doing many things a lot better than the UK. Less welfare means no teenage Mum's, less immigration means less social unrest, low taxes mean independence, nationalised utiliities means cheap bills, all kinds of things make this a better place to live and England would so love to have some of the positives. Sure, it would be less for the Eton trough boys, but better for society.
The things you talk about such as football teams are irrelevant. I am talking useful things like mobility in society, plenty of decent paying jobs, cheap bills, almost zero council taxes, 12% less VAT (which only attacks the poor thus showing the sickness of Britain, a sound financial system, non alarming government debt which by comparison is rising rapidly there. Mostly Korean jobs for Korean people. I like that too. You go to a fast food restaurant in London and it could be someone from anywhere, I actually like going into a restaurant knowing I am going to practice my Korean with Koreans. It's nice to have a relatively homogenised society. With how few of us there are here, there is little anxiety on the part of the Koreans. Things have been managed correctly.
I respect this country and compared to the train wreck that is the UK and it IS a train wreck, it's night and day. This place gives you independence with your money and works to represent the native population on the whole and I suppose legally that includes me too. Your list of things that you think makes England better are biased and thought personally I don't have views on them because I don't care about tourism etc, but in each of those ways Korea does very well in Asia. It's music, films, acting etc are enjoyed by many countries in the region. Not my cup of tea personally, but Korea has it's disposable pop arts too. I talk more about economic might and capability and that's where I see a broken Britain. High streets of bookies, banks, pay day lenders bakeries and meanwhile Amazon and Starbucks who pay no tax straddling above all.
I love England, but it has massive, massive problems, both socially, economically, morally, and politically. Certainly far more pronounced than here where there are a lot of companies and most of them doing very well.
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Just a quick extra point. I could be selfish and say I'm never taking about the UK again, but it is in my roots and I have a lot of family and friends out there, so I will comment on these kinds of topics. Sadly, I also think I am far more informed and aware of these topics than any of those people are too and so always want to get my voice out there somehow and that is typically here and in the odd communication with home. I told someone last night on the phone about the NHS currently being asset stripped. Hadn't a clue. The sad truth is that many people in the UK haven't got a clue what is going on in the UK. I guess that is why I post as I do know a few things. Keeping informed is a hobby and if I can use it I will.
