UK - Council and European Election

[Beanz]

Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.

BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain


"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."

There is plenty of room

If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.

Africa?

Yes there infiltration of African immigrants in the northwest area , seen with my own eyes my friend not from a bullshit statistic.
I ask again do you want the unskilled immigrants living rough in your streets or sleeping in the parks your kids play in ? using it as a toilet ? you still fail to answer . I have said many times its not something I want . Maybe Master can answer as you both seem to be keen on mass immigrants.

I am not keen on mass migration it is just a simple fact of life and one that has for centuries shaped the England and Britain we both live on. Sleeping rough is a fact of life for some people but the kind of picture that you paint is not one I am familiar with here in the south west. When I worked for the criminal justice system there were a few people who continued to use parks and streets as toilets despite warnings and they were offered hostels. They wanted to carry on drinking, refused the help and were banged up for a while. They were English. So no I do not want anybody having to live rough in parks or on the streets but it is something I have done. I have lived in a tent in the woods at Biggin Hill because I could not find work in Plymouth and so I found a Job working nights in a aeroparts warehouse but could not afford the deposit for a flat. After four weeks in the freezing cold winter I had saved enough deposit for a room in a shared house and worked for another six months before going back to the westcountry. I have done something similar in Italy before going to University back in England as a mature student to gain qualifications. I was unskilled labour and when the dockyards and factories closed down in the late 80's and the fishing fleet was decimated it was every bit as hard and poor down here and in Cornwall as the supposedly hard done by North.

I am not denying the galvanising power of UKIP. After years and years of not voting I felt compelled to vote this time in order to register a protest to not only the big three parties but also in response to the negative policies of UKIP. There is a third way between unchecked migration and no migration what so ever including refugees, and that is why I am constantly disappointed by the way Farrage's party seek to polarise the debate.

You may be disappointed by UKIP however lots of people in the uk are not , those are the facts.
Also please explain what an Englishman who has fallen on bad luck and living rough has to do with immigrants coming over here with nothing and living rough in parks and streets , are we to be a fucking free for all for the rest of the world ?

Why don't you explain what you actually mean ? You don't want anybody from abroad coming to England anymore whether they are from Europe or anywhere else in the world. Whether they are a refugee or a migrant worker unless they have a large nest egg and a skill or trade ? is that right ? only huge numbers of migrants come here with skills and trades and set up businesses and employ people. Those people actually contribute more to the system than they take out but you choose to never mention them as though they do not exist.

You can call me a do gooder and put your fingers in your ears but that is the truth. I went to Italy as an unskilled worker because I could not find work in England just as Europeans come from abroad to work here, that is how a free market capitalist society works. English leave to live in France and Spain in their droves and the French and many Spanish don't like it, but unless European law changes they are not doing anything wrong. You can not come to the UK from Europe with no job and claim benefits so how are we a fucking free for all for the rest of the world?

[Dark Lord Al]

Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.

BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain


"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."

There is plenty of room

If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.

Africa?

Yes there infiltration of African immigrants in the northwest area , seen with my own eyes my friend not from a bullshit statistic.
I ask again do you want the unskilled immigrants living rough in your streets or sleeping in the parks your kids play in ? using it as a toilet ? you still fail to answer . I have said many times its not something I want . Maybe Master can answer as you both seem to be keen on mass immigrants.

I am not keen on mass migration it is just a simple fact of life and one that has for centuries shaped the England and Britain we both live on. Sleeping rough is a fact of life for some people but the kind of picture that you paint is not one I am familiar with here in the south west. When I worked for the criminal justice system there were a few people who continued to use parks and streets as toilets despite warnings and they were offered hostels. They wanted to carry on drinking, refused the help and were banged up for a while. They were English. So no I do not want anybody having to live rough in parks or on the streets but it is something I have done. I have lived in a tent in the woods at Biggin Hill because I could not find work in Plymouth and so I found a Job working nights in a aeroparts warehouse but could not afford the deposit for a flat. After four weeks in the freezing cold winter I had saved enough deposit for a room in a shared house and worked for another six months before going back to the westcountry. I have done something similar in Italy before going to University back in England as a mature student to gain qualifications. I was unskilled labour and when the dockyards and factories closed down in the late 80's and the fishing fleet was decimated it was every bit as hard and poor down here and in Cornwall as the supposedly hard done by North.

I am not denying the galvanising power of UKIP. After years and years of not voting I felt compelled to vote this time in order to register a protest to not only the big three parties but also in response to the negative policies of UKIP. There is a third way between unchecked migration and no migration what so ever including refugees, and that is why I am constantly disappointed by the way Farrage's party seek to polarise the debate.

You may be disappointed by UKIP however lots of people in the uk are not , those are the facts.
Also please explain what an Englishman who has fallen on bad luck and living rough has to do with immigrants coming over here with nothing and living rough in parks and streets , are we to be a fucking free for all for the rest of the world ?

Why don't you explain what you actually mean ? You don't want anybody from abroad coming to England anymore whether they are from Europe or anywhere else in the world. Whether they are a refugee or a migrant worker unless they have a large nest egg and a skill or trade ? is that right ? only huge numbers of migrants come here with skills and trades and set up businesses and employ people. Those people actually contribute more to the system than they take out but you choose to never mention them as though they do not exist.

You can call me a do gooder and put your fingers in your ears but that is the truth. I went to Italy as an unskilled worker because I could not find work in England just as Europeans come from abroad to work here, that is how a free market capitalist society works. English leave to live in France and Spain in their droves and the French and many Spanish don't like it, but unless European law changes they are not doing anything wrong. You can not come to the UK from Europe with no job and claim benefits so how are we a fucking free for all for the rest of the world?

What do you think the vote for UKIP was for ?

[Beanz]

Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.

BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain


"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."

There is plenty of room

If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.

Africa?

Yes there infiltration of African immigrants in the northwest area , seen with my own eyes my friend not from a bullshit statistic.
I ask again do you want the unskilled immigrants living rough in your streets or sleeping in the parks your kids play in ? using it as a toilet ? you still fail to answer . I have said many times its not something I want . Maybe Master can answer as you both seem to be keen on mass immigrants.

I am not keen on mass migration it is just a simple fact of life and one that has for centuries shaped the England and Britain we both live on. Sleeping rough is a fact of life for some people but the kind of picture that you paint is not one I am familiar with here in the south west. When I worked for the criminal justice system there were a few people who continued to use parks and streets as toilets despite warnings and they were offered hostels. They wanted to carry on drinking, refused the help and were banged up for a while. They were English. So no I do not want anybody having to live rough in parks or on the streets but it is something I have done. I have lived in a tent in the woods at Biggin Hill because I could not find work in Plymouth and so I found a Job working nights in a aeroparts warehouse but could not afford the deposit for a flat. After four weeks in the freezing cold winter I had saved enough deposit for a room in a shared house and worked for another six months before going back to the westcountry. I have done something similar in Italy before going to University back in England as a mature student to gain qualifications. I was unskilled labour and when the dockyards and factories closed down in the late 80's and the fishing fleet was decimated it was every bit as hard and poor down here and in Cornwall as the supposedly hard done by North.

I am not denying the galvanising power of UKIP. After years and years of not voting I felt compelled to vote this time in order to register a protest to not only the big three parties but also in response to the negative policies of UKIP. There is a third way between unchecked migration and no migration what so ever including refugees, and that is why I am constantly disappointed by the way Farrage's party seek to polarise the debate.

You may be disappointed by UKIP however lots of people in the uk are not , those are the facts.
Also please explain what an Englishman who has fallen on bad luck and living rough has to do with immigrants coming over here with nothing and living rough in parks and streets , are we to be a fucking free for all for the rest of the world ?

Why don't you explain what you actually mean ? You don't want anybody from abroad coming to England anymore whether they are from Europe or anywhere else in the world. Whether they are a refugee or a migrant worker unless they have a large nest egg and a skill or trade ? is that right ? only huge numbers of migrants come here with skills and trades and set up businesses and employ people. Those people actually contribute more to the system than they take out but you choose to never mention them as though they do not exist.

You can call me a do gooder and put your fingers in your ears but that is the truth. I went to Italy as an unskilled worker because I could not find work in England just as Europeans come from abroad to work here, that is how a free market capitalist society works. English leave to live in France and Spain in their droves and the French and many Spanish don't like it, but unless European law changes they are not doing anything wrong. You can not come to the UK from Europe with no job and claim benefits so how are we a fucking free for all for the rest of the world?

What do you think the vote for UKIP was for ?

For some people it was a protest vote in frustration at the failure of conventional parties to listen to their concerns. For others it was a way to express a disdain for immigrants and refugees. It was in many ways a wasted vote though. UKIP do not have policies other than let's get out of Europe.

LOCAL ELECTIONS
How does that help a local councillor to do his job and represent his constituents when he has no control over national immigration policy ? A wasted vote. Meanwhile the local majority party holds sway with nothing relevant to local issues raised by the UKIP representative who campaigned on only ONE irrelevant issue.

EUROPEAN ELECTIONS
How can UKIP defend paying themselves wages as MEPS when again the only issue they have an opinion on is not being part of the European Union? A member from any number of other parties could stand up for British interests when common agricultural or fisheries matters are discussed or European development grants that help create British Jobs but the UKIP member will not stand up for the UK because again the only issue he has an opinion on is membership of the European Union.

If UKIP really want to lead Britain out of the European Union they need to stand for election to the UK Houses of Parliament.

[Dark Lord Al]

Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.

BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain


"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."

There is plenty of room

If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.

Africa?

Yes there infiltration of African immigrants in the northwest area , seen with my own eyes my friend not from a bullshit statistic.
I ask again do you want the unskilled immigrants living rough in your streets or sleeping in the parks your kids play in ? using it as a toilet ? you still fail to answer . I have said many times its not something I want . Maybe Master can answer as you both seem to be keen on mass immigrants.

I am not keen on mass migration it is just a simple fact of life and one that has for centuries shaped the England and Britain we both live on. Sleeping rough is a fact of life for some people but the kind of picture that you paint is not one I am familiar with here in the south west. When I worked for the criminal justice system there were a few people who continued to use parks and streets as toilets despite warnings and they were offered hostels. They wanted to carry on drinking, refused the help and were banged up for a while. They were English. So no I do not want anybody having to live rough in parks or on the streets but it is something I have done. I have lived in a tent in the woods at Biggin Hill because I could not find work in Plymouth and so I found a Job working nights in a aeroparts warehouse but could not afford the deposit for a flat. After four weeks in the freezing cold winter I had saved enough deposit for a room in a shared house and worked for another six months before going back to the westcountry. I have done something similar in Italy before going to University back in England as a mature student to gain qualifications. I was unskilled labour and when the dockyards and factories closed down in the late 80's and the fishing fleet was decimated it was every bit as hard and poor down here and in Cornwall as the supposedly hard done by North.

I am not denying the galvanising power of UKIP. After years and years of not voting I felt compelled to vote this time in order to register a protest to not only the big three parties but also in response to the negative policies of UKIP. There is a third way between unchecked migration and no migration what so ever including refugees, and that is why I am constantly disappointed by the way Farrage's party seek to polarise the debate.

You may be disappointed by UKIP however lots of people in the uk are not , those are the facts.
Also please explain what an Englishman who has fallen on bad luck and living rough has to do with immigrants coming over here with nothing and living rough in parks and streets , are we to be a fucking free for all for the rest of the world ?

Why don't you explain what you actually mean ? You don't want anybody from abroad coming to England anymore whether they are from Europe or anywhere else in the world. Whether they are a refugee or a migrant worker unless they have a large nest egg and a skill or trade ? is that right ? only huge numbers of migrants come here with skills and trades and set up businesses and employ people. Those people actually contribute more to the system than they take out but you choose to never mention them as though they do not exist.

You can call me a do gooder and put your fingers in your ears but that is the truth. I went to Italy as an unskilled worker because I could not find work in England just as Europeans come from abroad to work here, that is how a free market capitalist society works. English leave to live in France and Spain in their droves and the French and many Spanish don't like it, but unless European law changes they are not doing anything wrong. You can not come to the UK from Europe with no job and claim benefits so how are we a fucking free for all for the rest of the world?

So I ask again, if that statement is true , what do we do with the people living rough on the streets from other countries ? people who have been deported and returned ? people who we have paid to deport and they have come back ?

[Dark Lord Al]

Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.

BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain


"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."

There is plenty of room

If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.

Africa?

Yes there infiltration of African immigrants in the northwest area , seen with my own eyes my friend not from a bullshit statistic.
I ask again do you want the unskilled immigrants living rough in your streets or sleeping in the parks your kids play in ? using it as a toilet ? you still fail to answer . I have said many times its not something I want . Maybe Master can answer as you both seem to be keen on mass immigrants.

I am not keen on mass migration it is just a simple fact of life and one that has for centuries shaped the England and Britain we both live on. Sleeping rough is a fact of life for some people but the kind of picture that you paint is not one I am familiar with here in the south west. When I worked for the criminal justice system there were a few people who continued to use parks and streets as toilets despite warnings and they were offered hostels. They wanted to carry on drinking, refused the help and were banged up for a while. They were English. So no I do not want anybody having to live rough in parks or on the streets but it is something I have done. I have lived in a tent in the woods at Biggin Hill because I could not find work in Plymouth and so I found a Job working nights in a aeroparts warehouse but could not afford the deposit for a flat. After four weeks in the freezing cold winter I had saved enough deposit for a room in a shared house and worked for another six months before going back to the westcountry. I have done something similar in Italy before going to University back in England as a mature student to gain qualifications. I was unskilled labour and when the dockyards and factories closed down in the late 80's and the fishing fleet was decimated it was every bit as hard and poor down here and in Cornwall as the supposedly hard done by North.

I am not denying the galvanising power of UKIP. After years and years of not voting I felt compelled to vote this time in order to register a protest to not only the big three parties but also in response to the negative policies of UKIP. There is a third way between unchecked migration and no migration what so ever including refugees, and that is why I am constantly disappointed by the way Farrage's party seek to polarise the debate.

You may be disappointed by UKIP however lots of people in the uk are not , those are the facts.
Also please explain what an Englishman who has fallen on bad luck and living rough has to do with immigrants coming over here with nothing and living rough in parks and streets , are we to be a fucking free for all for the rest of the world ?

Why don't you explain what you actually mean ? You don't want anybody from abroad coming to England anymore whether they are from Europe or anywhere else in the world. Whether they are a refugee or a migrant worker unless they have a large nest egg and a skill or trade ? is that right ? only huge numbers of migrants come here with skills and trades and set up businesses and employ people. Those people actually contribute more to the system than they take out but you choose to never mention them as though they do not exist.

You can call me a do gooder and put your fingers in your ears but that is the truth. I went to Italy as an unskilled worker because I could not find work in England just as Europeans come from abroad to work here, that is how a free market capitalist society works. English leave to live in France and Spain in their droves and the French and many Spanish don't like it, but unless European law changes they are not doing anything wrong. You can not come to the UK from Europe with no job and claim benefits so how are we a fucking free for all for the rest of the world?

So I ask again, if that statement is true , what do we do with the people living rough on the streets from other countries ? people who have been deported and returned ? people who we have paid to deport and they have come back ?

You didn't answer the question.

[Beanz]

Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.

BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain


"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."

There is plenty of room

If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.

Africa?

Yes there infiltration of African immigrants in the northwest area , seen with my own eyes my friend not from a bullshit statistic.
I ask again do you want the unskilled immigrants living rough in your streets or sleeping in the parks your kids play in ? using it as a toilet ? you still fail to answer . I have said many times its not something I want . Maybe Master can answer as you both seem to be keen on mass immigrants.

I am not keen on mass migration it is just a simple fact of life and one that has for centuries shaped the England and Britain we both live on. Sleeping rough is a fact of life for some people but the kind of picture that you paint is not one I am familiar with here in the south west. When I worked for the criminal justice system there were a few people who continued to use parks and streets as toilets despite warnings and they were offered hostels. They wanted to carry on drinking, refused the help and were banged up for a while. They were English. So no I do not want anybody having to live rough in parks or on the streets but it is something I have done. I have lived in a tent in the woods at Biggin Hill because I could not find work in Plymouth and so I found a Job working nights in a aeroparts warehouse but could not afford the deposit for a flat. After four weeks in the freezing cold winter I had saved enough deposit for a room in a shared house and worked for another six months before going back to the westcountry. I have done something similar in Italy before going to University back in England as a mature student to gain qualifications. I was unskilled labour and when the dockyards and factories closed down in the late 80's and the fishing fleet was decimated it was every bit as hard and poor down here and in Cornwall as the supposedly hard done by North.

I am not denying the galvanising power of UKIP. After years and years of not voting I felt compelled to vote this time in order to register a protest to not only the big three parties but also in response to the negative policies of UKIP. There is a third way between unchecked migration and no migration what so ever including refugees, and that is why I am constantly disappointed by the way Farrage's party seek to polarise the debate.

You may be disappointed by UKIP however lots of people in the uk are not , those are the facts.
Also please explain what an Englishman who has fallen on bad luck and living rough has to do with immigrants coming over here with nothing and living rough in parks and streets , are we to be a fucking free for all for the rest of the world ?

Why don't you explain what you actually mean ? You don't want anybody from abroad coming to England anymore whether they are from Europe or anywhere else in the world. Whether they are a refugee or a migrant worker unless they have a large nest egg and a skill or trade ? is that right ? only huge numbers of migrants come here with skills and trades and set up businesses and employ people. Those people actually contribute more to the system than they take out but you choose to never mention them as though they do not exist.

You can call me a do gooder and put your fingers in your ears but that is the truth. I went to Italy as an unskilled worker because I could not find work in England just as Europeans come from abroad to work here, that is how a free market capitalist society works. English leave to live in France and Spain in their droves and the French and many Spanish don't like it, but unless European law changes they are not doing anything wrong. You can not come to the UK from Europe with no job and claim benefits so how are we a fucking free for all for the rest of the world?

So I ask again, if that statement is true , what do we do with the people living rough on the streets from other countries ? people who have been deported and returned ? people who we have paid to deport and they have come back ?

You didn't answer the question.

If you want someone to bark for you get a dog. I posted my reply before I saw your question which I have answered before in other threads. The UK immigration authorities will arrest and deport them. And the statement

You can not come to the UK from Europe with no job and claim benefits

is true.

You are constantly choosing to mix up legal and illegal migration. Illegal migration is a huge problem but not as much as in many other places in the world.

[imp]

Just because a dog is born in a stable..doesnt make it a horse.

Ukip will rise and rise as everyone believes the media is soooo fed up with the tories and the wrong brother leader for labour.

Behind closed doors we all know how a certain person might feel and unfortunately ukip has came at the perfect time for all of this.

[Dia bando]

People want jobs but why have more immigration, when we don't have jobs or housing for
them, it's not rocket science is it.!

[Gandalf]

Well there are jobs for them if they are willing to work for less and undercut the British worker.

I see Greenbeanz makes the distinction between legal and illegal immigration and myself don't see a distinction. There has never been an open debate and referendum on immigration, thus all immigration is illegitimate. Now if a case was made that key jobs need to be filled from overseas then make it, but don't open up the borders on the sly, as was done, and 3 million later, say 'Ooh, I'm surprised you noticed'.

No more Europe and no more open borders and it works both ways. Britain should adopt a policy like most countries do and perhaps encourage parents to be better parents like here where every kid wants to be either a doctor, nurse, businessman, etc. In the UK it's all 'Ooh, I'm going to be a singer and if that fails I will study English drama'. Just idiocy. 'Nursing is not sexy enough' and geology and sociology are? Nursing is useful and far more useful than the latter two options. If we are judging sexiness it is one of the sexier courses on a factual basis. The failure of Britain is institutional and also embedded deep in the rotten core of the family unit where too many families living on the dole, couldn't care less what the kid should be. If the families are working ones then equally, the child has to be a neglected as there is no time for him. He makes up his own mind a football player it is. Just useless. Thus the English grow up deluded, out of touch, then inevitably fail against immigrants who know it's just about doing anything to scrape by. Unfortunately by this stage English kids are in 40000 pounds of debt and and at a greater disadvantage. It's an abusive system.

[Dia bando]

Well there are jobs for them if they are willing to work for less and undercut the British worker.

I see Greenbeanz makes the distinction between legal and illegal immigration and myself don't see a distinction. There has never been an open debate and referendum on immigration, thus all immigration is illegitimate. Now if a case was made that key jobs need to be filled from overseas then make it, but don't open up the borders on the sly, as was done, and 3 million later, say 'Ooh, I'm surprised you noticed'.

No more Europe and no more open borders and it works both ways. Britain should adopt a policy like most countries do and perhaps encourage parents to be better parents like here where every kid wants to be either a doctor, nurse, businessman, etc. In the UK it's all 'Ooh, I'm going to be a singer and if that fails I will study English drama'. Just idiocy. 'Nursing is not sexy enough' and geology and sociology are? Nursing is useful and far more useful than the latter two options. If we are judging sexiness it is one of the sexier courses on a factual basis. The failure of Britain is institutional and also embedded deep in the rotten core of the family unit where too many families living on the dole, couldn't care less what the kid should be. If the families are working ones then equally, the child has to be a neglected as there is no time for him. He makes up his own mind a football player it is. Just useless. Thus the English grow up deluded, out of touch, then inevitably fail against immigrants who know it's just about doing anything to scrape by. Unfortunately by this stage English kids are in 40000 pounds of debt and and at a greater disadvantage. It's an abusive system.

Stars in there eyes Miles you could say, perhaps we need employ our own first and stop employing
immigrant workers, you walk in some factory's you would be hard pressed to find English being spoken
I kid you not, well that's what it's like in some places.!

[Gandalf]

I've heard about it first hand. My friend Ritchie is the last man standing in an egg factory surrounded by Poles. It's absurd how this has happened and my only suggestion is to treat it as an occupation and react accordingly. The system is an occupation, this in no way resembles or reflects a government run in the interests of the general public. When this happens the system is illegitimate and people need to become the law. You don't follow the law, you become the law and this is done in numerous ways.

[Kirkland Laing]

I don't vote but if I did vote I would have voted UKIP. I'm hoping the EU doesn't reform significantly especially as far as the free movement of labour goes and we could see UKIP become a serious political force and hold the balance of power within a couple of elections.

I really like what the Front National are standing for in France. A decent welfare stste to protect citizens from the ravages of globalisation, protection of domestic industry from the ravages of globalisation, government running the banking system, an end to corporate/big business control of the economy and the G4Sisation of government services and of course boot all the recent immigrants out. This is the recipe that advanced economies need to adopt along with some kind of immigration points qualification system like Australia has so that we can let in regulated non-domestic-labour-rates-cutting numbers of honest hard-working skilled people and keep all the scum out.

[Beanz]

Well there are jobs for them if they are willing to work for less and undercut the British worker.

I see Greenbeanz makes the distinction between legal and illegal immigration and myself don't see a distinction. There has never been an open debate and referendum on immigration, thus all immigration is illegitimate. Now if a case was made that key jobs need to be filled from overseas then make it, but don't open up the borders on the sly, as was done, and 3 million later, say 'Ooh, I'm surprised you noticed'.

No more Europe and no more open borders and it works both ways. Britain should adopt a policy like most countries do and perhaps encourage parents to be better parents like here where every kid wants to be either a doctor, nurse, businessman, etc. In the UK it's all 'Ooh, I'm going to be a singer and if that fails I will study English drama'. Just idiocy. 'Nursing is not sexy enough' and geology and sociology are? Nursing is useful and far more useful than the latter two options. If we are judging sexiness it is one of the sexier courses on a factual basis. The failure of Britain is institutional and also embedded deep in the rotten core of the family unit where too many families living on the dole, couldn't care less what the kid should be. If the families are working ones then equally, the child has to be a neglected as there is no time for him. He makes up his own mind a football player it is. Just useless. Thus the English grow up deluded, out of touch, then inevitably fail against immigrants who know it's just about doing anything to scrape by. Unfortunately by this stage English kids are in 40000 pounds of debt and and at a greater disadvantage. It's an abusive system.

You therefore have nothing useful to add to this or any other debate and anything you say about any subject should be disregarded as stuff and nonsense. You are saying that as an Immigrant yourself, who though thinking his own degree is worthless still seems to think that he is more deserving of bettering himself than people without a degree. You continually slag of England and the English and yet want to be seen as an Englishman abroad. Call yourself a socialist? IF parents are stupid and the English are useless then why do you pretend to care ? Browny points ?

Take one of your statements and think about how stupid and arrogant it sounds


If the families are working ones then equally, the child has to be a neglected as there is no time for him

Has to be ? why ? only to fit your argument. You seem to want to damn people for not working and staying home to look after their kids and then damn them for working and not being at home 24hrs a day to look after their kids. It is you that has grown up deluded and out of touch.

You have completely weighted the whole debate so that immigration in all its forms in Britain is now framed as lazy spongers coming to live on benefits or unskilled bogeymen coming to undercut British workers. That is both dishonest and cowardly. You have done nothing but seek to appeal to the basest and most crass warping of the truth in order to curry favour with your populist stance. Why do you think the English inevitably fail ? just because you have left don't look at everyone else through such a distorted and narrow lens.

You silly ideas about Governments adopting a policy to make them more like South Korea is just fairly tale jibberish. For years top level consultants have been employed from India and Asia in the NHS because most British kids do not want to devote 7 years to studying medicine and the fact that Asian kids do is a cultural difference. You are suggesting homogenising an entire country to make us all more like Asians ? How the fuck is that going to work you daft twat? Stop going on and on about the failure of Britain. Failure in what? Does South Korea have a better football team? no Does South Korea have better actors and film and television technicians ? no? Does South Korea have a better track record of innovation through small engineering businesses ? no .Does South Korea have a better range of restaurants considered amongst the best in the world ? No Does South Korea have a more thriving arts sector ? no Does South Korea have a more thriving Tourist sector ? No Does South Korea have anything on Britain other than a huge electronic manufacturing sector filled with automaton production line workers like something out of a George Orwell novel? No

So why keep slagging off England ? "No more Europe and no more open borders" is a stance and an opinion you are entitled to if you live or vote in the UK but you don't so who gives a fuck what you think ?

[Gandalf]

Well there are jobs for them if they are willing to work for less and undercut the British worker.

I see Greenbeanz makes the distinction between legal and illegal immigration and myself don't see a distinction. There has never been an open debate and referendum on immigration, thus all immigration is illegitimate. Now if a case was made that key jobs need to be filled from overseas then make it, but don't open up the borders on the sly, as was done, and 3 million later, say 'Ooh, I'm surprised you noticed'.

No more Europe and no more open borders and it works both ways. Britain should adopt a policy like most countries do and perhaps encourage parents to be better parents like here where every kid wants to be either a doctor, nurse, businessman, etc. In the UK it's all 'Ooh, I'm going to be a singer and if that fails I will study English drama'. Just idiocy. 'Nursing is not sexy enough' and geology and sociology are? Nursing is useful and far more useful than the latter two options. If we are judging sexiness it is one of the sexier courses on a factual basis. The failure of Britain is institutional and also embedded deep in the rotten core of the family unit where too many families living on the dole, couldn't care less what the kid should be. If the families are working ones then equally, the child has to be a neglected as there is no time for him. He makes up his own mind a football player it is. Just useless. Thus the English grow up deluded, out of touch, then inevitably fail against immigrants who know it's just about doing anything to scrape by. Unfortunately by this stage English kids are in 40000 pounds of debt and and at a greater disadvantage. It's an abusive system.

You therefore have nothing useful to add to this or any other debate and anything you say about any subject should be disregarded as stuff and nonsense. You are saying that as an Immigrant yourself, who though thinking his own degree is worthless still seems to think that he is more deserving of bettering himself than people without a degree. You continually slag of England and the English and yet want to be seen as an Englishman abroad. Call yourself a socialist? IF parents are stupid and the English are useless then why do you pretend to care ? Browny points ?

Take one of your statements and think about how stupid and arrogant it sounds


If the families are working ones then equally, the child has to be a neglected as there is no time for him

Has to be ? why ? only to fit your argument. You seem to want to damn people for not working and staying home to look after their kids and then damn them for working and not being at home 24hrs a day to look after their kids. It is you that has grown up deluded and out of touch.

You have completely weighted the whole debate so that immigration in all its forms in Britain is now framed as lazy spongers coming to live on benefits or unskilled bogeymen coming to undercut British workers. That is both dishonest and cowardly. You have done nothing but seek to appeal to the basest and most crass warping of the truth in order to curry favour with your populist stance. Why do you think the English inevitably fail ? just because you have left don't look at everyone else through such a distorted and narrow lens.

You silly ideas about Governments adopting a policy to make them more like South Korea is just fairly tale jibberish. For years top level consultants have been employed from India and Asia in the NHS because most British kids do not want to devote 7 years to studying medicine and the fact that Asian kids do is a cultural difference. You are suggesting homogenising an entire country to make us all more like Asians ? How the fuck is that going to work you daft twat? Stop going on and on about the failure of Britain. Failure in what? Does South Korea have a better football team? no Does South Korea have better actors and film and television technicians ? no? Does South Korea have a better track record of innovation through small engineering businesses ? no .Does South Korea have a better range of restaurants considered amongst the best in the world ? No Does South Korea have a more thriving arts sector ? no Does South Korea have a more thriving Tourist sector ? No Does South Korea have anything on Britain other than a huge electronic manufacturing sector filled with automaton production line workers like something out of a George Orwell novel? No

So why keep slagging off England ? "No more Europe and no more open borders" is a stance and an opinion you are entitled to if you live or vote in the UK but you don't so who gives a fuck what you think ?

Too many points and too late in the day for me to offer a good post, but I'll give it a stab. Most English people would probably agree that legal, but non referendum based mass immigration is illegitimate. Likewise, illegal immigration is also bad.

In my comments on degrees my own BA was pretty useless at doing anything in the UK. My second one was much more useful and obtained years later with a specific job in mind. Most students go to University based on the former and its more about a social life and than any meaningful job the degree will get them. Many courses exists simply to put bums on seats. I also made in my point that Korea controls who can come in to teach, we must all have degrees. The immigrants in Europe are not based on credentials and so whilst you get some good, you also get a lot of riff raff. Me with a teaching MA and university experience puts me above most. I simply don't count my BA. My other point is that Korean students generally choose useful courses rather than drivel like sociology and anthropology.

In a statement about parenting in modern Britain I see children having a harder time. If they are with a benefits family, they are often ignored and run riot. If they are from a hard working family then they suffer as there is no time for the child. These are generalisations, but I assume they hold true generally.

I will tell you one cultural reason why the English fail. It is because of Daddy government. The Queen is the ultimate example of a welfare Queen. Then we have the banks who all love Daddy government when it goes wrong. Then when society goes tits up and youngsters see no way to advance, getting knocked up and becoming a lazy, welfare queen seems the ticket too. These attitudes of entitlement run from top to bottom and who want to try when you can show your tits in a mag, marry a rich man, or all else failing just get impregnated. It an English disease. Highest rates of teen pregnancy and something that doesn't happen here. Abortions or forced to give the child up and right on too.

My suggestions are simply that Korea is doing many things a lot better than the UK. Less welfare means no teenage Mum's, less immigration means less social unrest, low taxes mean independence, nationalised utiliities means cheap bills, all kinds of things make this a better place to live and England would so love to have some of the positives. Sure, it would be less for the Eton trough boys, but better for society.

The things you talk about such as football teams are irrelevant. I am talking useful things like mobility in society, plenty of decent paying jobs, cheap bills, almost zero council taxes, 12% less VAT (which only attacks the poor thus showing the sickness of Britain, a sound financial system, non alarming government debt which by comparison is rising rapidly there. Mostly Korean jobs for Korean people. I like that too. You go to a fast food restaurant in London and it could be someone from anywhere, I actually like going into a restaurant knowing I am going to practice my Korean with Koreans. It's nice to have a relatively homogenised society. With how few of us there are here, there is little anxiety on the part of the Koreans. Things have been managed correctly.

I respect this country and compared to the train wreck that is the UK and it IS a train wreck, it's night and day. This place gives you independence with your money and works to represent the native population on the whole and I suppose legally that includes me too. Your list of things that you think makes England better are biased and thought personally I don't have views on them because I don't care about tourism etc, but in each of those ways Korea does very well in Asia. It's music, films, acting etc are enjoyed by many countries in the region. Not my cup of tea personally, but Korea has it's disposable pop arts too. I talk more about economic might and capability and that's where I see a broken Britain. High streets of bookies, banks, pay day lenders bakeries and meanwhile Amazon and Starbucks who pay no tax straddling above all.

I love England, but it has massive, massive problems, both socially, economically, morally, and politically. Certainly far more pronounced than here where there are a lot of companies and most of them doing very well.

[Gandalf]

Just a quick extra point. I could be selfish and say I'm never taking about the UK again, but it is in my roots and I have a lot of family and friends out there, so I will comment on these kinds of topics. Sadly, I also think I am far more informed and aware of these topics than any of those people are too and so always want to get my voice out there somehow and that is typically here and in the odd communication with home. I told someone last night on the phone about the NHS currently being asset stripped. Hadn't a clue. The sad truth is that many people in the UK haven't got a clue what is going on in the UK. I guess that is why I post as I do know a few things. Keeping informed is a hobby and if I can use it I will.