UK - Council and European Election

[Dark Lord Al]

Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.

BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain


"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."

There is plenty of room

If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.

Africa?

Yes there infiltration of African immigrants in the northwest area , seen with my own eyes my friend not from a bullshit statistic.
I ask again do you want the unskilled immigrants living rough in your streets or sleeping in the parks your kids play in ? using it as a toilet ? you still fail to answer . I have said many times its not something I want . Maybe Master can answer as you both seem to be keen on mass immigrants.

I am not keen on mass migration it is just a simple fact of life and one that has for centuries shaped the England and Britain we both live on. Sleeping rough is a fact of life for some people but the kind of picture that you paint is not one I am familiar with here in the south west. When I worked for the criminal justice system there were a few people who continued to use parks and streets as toilets despite warnings and they were offered hostels. They wanted to carry on drinking, refused the help and were banged up for a while. They were English. So no I do not want anybody having to live rough in parks or on the streets but it is something I have done. I have lived in a tent in the woods at Biggin Hill because I could not find work in Plymouth and so I found a Job working nights in a aeroparts warehouse but could not afford the deposit for a flat. After four weeks in the freezing cold winter I had saved enough deposit for a room in a shared house and worked for another six months before going back to the westcountry. I have done something similar in Italy before going to University back in England as a mature student to gain qualifications. I was unskilled labour and when the dockyards and factories closed down in the late 80's and the fishing fleet was decimated it was every bit as hard and poor down here and in Cornwall as the supposedly hard done by North.

I am not denying the galvanising power of UKIP. After years and years of not voting I felt compelled to vote this time in order to register a protest to not only the big three parties but also in response to the negative policies of UKIP. There is a third way between unchecked migration and no migration what so ever including refugees, and that is why I am constantly disappointed by the way Farrage's party seek to polarise the debate.

You may be disappointed by UKIP however lots of people in the uk are not , those are the facts.
Also please explain what an Englishman who has fallen on bad luck and living rough has to do with immigrants coming over here with nothing and living rough in parks and streets , are we to be a fucking free for all for the rest of the world ?

Why don't you explain what you actually mean ? You don't want anybody from abroad coming to England anymore whether they are from Europe or anywhere else in the world. Whether they are a refugee or a migrant worker unless they have a large nest egg and a skill or trade ? is that right ? only huge numbers of migrants come here with skills and trades and set up businesses and employ people. Those people actually contribute more to the system than they take out but you choose to never mention them as though they do not exist.

You can call me a do gooder and put your fingers in your ears but that is the truth. I went to Italy as an unskilled worker because I could not find work in England just as Europeans come from abroad to work here, that is how a free market capitalist society works. English leave to live in France and Spain in their droves and the French and many Spanish don't like it, but unless European law changes they are not doing anything wrong. You can not come to the UK from Europe with no job and claim benefits so how are we a fucking free for all for the rest of the world?

What do you think the vote for UKIP was for ?

[Beanz]

Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.

BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain


"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."

There is plenty of room

If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.

Africa?

Yes there infiltration of African immigrants in the northwest area , seen with my own eyes my friend not from a bullshit statistic.
I ask again do you want the unskilled immigrants living rough in your streets or sleeping in the parks your kids play in ? using it as a toilet ? you still fail to answer . I have said many times its not something I want . Maybe Master can answer as you both seem to be keen on mass immigrants.

I am not keen on mass migration it is just a simple fact of life and one that has for centuries shaped the England and Britain we both live on. Sleeping rough is a fact of life for some people but the kind of picture that you paint is not one I am familiar with here in the south west. When I worked for the criminal justice system there were a few people who continued to use parks and streets as toilets despite warnings and they were offered hostels. They wanted to carry on drinking, refused the help and were banged up for a while. They were English. So no I do not want anybody having to live rough in parks or on the streets but it is something I have done. I have lived in a tent in the woods at Biggin Hill because I could not find work in Plymouth and so I found a Job working nights in a aeroparts warehouse but could not afford the deposit for a flat. After four weeks in the freezing cold winter I had saved enough deposit for a room in a shared house and worked for another six months before going back to the westcountry. I have done something similar in Italy before going to University back in England as a mature student to gain qualifications. I was unskilled labour and when the dockyards and factories closed down in the late 80's and the fishing fleet was decimated it was every bit as hard and poor down here and in Cornwall as the supposedly hard done by North.

I am not denying the galvanising power of UKIP. After years and years of not voting I felt compelled to vote this time in order to register a protest to not only the big three parties but also in response to the negative policies of UKIP. There is a third way between unchecked migration and no migration what so ever including refugees, and that is why I am constantly disappointed by the way Farrage's party seek to polarise the debate.

You may be disappointed by UKIP however lots of people in the uk are not , those are the facts.
Also please explain what an Englishman who has fallen on bad luck and living rough has to do with immigrants coming over here with nothing and living rough in parks and streets , are we to be a fucking free for all for the rest of the world ?

Why don't you explain what you actually mean ? You don't want anybody from abroad coming to England anymore whether they are from Europe or anywhere else in the world. Whether they are a refugee or a migrant worker unless they have a large nest egg and a skill or trade ? is that right ? only huge numbers of migrants come here with skills and trades and set up businesses and employ people. Those people actually contribute more to the system than they take out but you choose to never mention them as though they do not exist.

You can call me a do gooder and put your fingers in your ears but that is the truth. I went to Italy as an unskilled worker because I could not find work in England just as Europeans come from abroad to work here, that is how a free market capitalist society works. English leave to live in France and Spain in their droves and the French and many Spanish don't like it, but unless European law changes they are not doing anything wrong. You can not come to the UK from Europe with no job and claim benefits so how are we a fucking free for all for the rest of the world?

What do you think the vote for UKIP was for ?

For some people it was a protest vote in frustration at the failure of conventional parties to listen to their concerns. For others it was a way to express a disdain for immigrants and refugees. It was in many ways a wasted vote though. UKIP do not have policies other than let's get out of Europe.

LOCAL ELECTIONS
How does that help a local councillor to do his job and represent his constituents when he has no control over national immigration policy ? A wasted vote. Meanwhile the local majority party holds sway with nothing relevant to local issues raised by the UKIP representative who campaigned on only ONE irrelevant issue.

EUROPEAN ELECTIONS
How can UKIP defend paying themselves wages as MEPS when again the only issue they have an opinion on is not being part of the European Union? A member from any number of other parties could stand up for British interests when common agricultural or fisheries matters are discussed or European development grants that help create British Jobs but the UKIP member will not stand up for the UK because again the only issue he has an opinion on is membership of the European Union.

If UKIP really want to lead Britain out of the European Union they need to stand for election to the UK Houses of Parliament.