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Re: Was a young Robin Reid better than George Groves?
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Master said he doubted Reid would beat Froch, I pointed out that he had lost to Froch, but not during Reid's prime. I added my opinion that I thought Froch would likely beat him in his prime too.
That's it. Do you think I was trying to infer something more than that?
You brought up the result of the fight as if it was relevant but as I pointed out, beating a 37 year old Reid is as relevant as Calzaghes win over Eubank, Marcianos over Louis and Holmes over Ali.
The point is prime Froch beats prime Reid. Styles do make fights and Groves is more fluid and faster than Reid so I think George would beat him.
Groves is more fluid and faster than Reid?
What world champions has he beaten?
In fact, how many world championship fights has he had and how many has he won?
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Re: Was a young Robin Reid better than George Groves?
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Master
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ross
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AdamGB
Master said he doubted Reid would beat Froch, I pointed out that he had lost to Froch, but not during Reid's prime. I added my opinion that I thought Froch would likely beat him in his prime too.
That's it. Do you think I was trying to infer something more than that?
You brought up the result of the fight as if it was relevant but as I pointed out, beating a 37 year old Reid is as relevant as Calzaghes win over Eubank, Marcianos over Louis and Holmes over Ali.
The point is prime Froch beats prime Reid. Styles do make fights and Groves is more fluid and faster than Reid so I think George would beat him.
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ross
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Master
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ross
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AdamGB
Master said he doubted Reid would beat Froch, I pointed out that he had lost to Froch, but not during Reid's prime. I added my opinion that I thought Froch would likely beat him in his prime too.
That's it. Do you think I was trying to infer something more than that?
You brought up the result of the fight as if it was relevant but as I pointed out, beating a 37 year old Reid is as relevant as Calzaghes win over Eubank, Marcianos over Louis and Holmes over Ali.
The point is prime Froch beats prime Reid. Styles do make fights and Groves is more fluid and faster than Reid so I think George would beat him.
Groves is more fluid and faster than Reid?
What world champions has he beaten?
In fact, how many world championship fights has he had and how many has he won?
Groves will have fought plenty of world champions when his career is finished and I bet he will pick up a title against Abraham if he wanted.
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Re: Was a young Robin Reid better than George Groves?
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Master
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Master
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ross
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AdamGB
Master said he doubted Reid would beat Froch, I pointed out that he had lost to Froch, but not during Reid's prime. I added my opinion that I thought Froch would likely beat him in his prime too.
That's it. Do you think I was trying to infer something more than that?
You brought up the result of the fight as if it was relevant but as I pointed out, beating a 37 year old Reid is as relevant as Calzaghes win over Eubank, Marcianos over Louis and Holmes over Ali.
The point is prime Froch beats prime Reid. Styles do make fights and Groves is more fluid and faster than Reid so I think George would beat him.
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ross
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Master
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ross
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AdamGB
Master said he doubted Reid would beat Froch, I pointed out that he had lost to Froch, but not during Reid's prime. I added my opinion that I thought Froch would likely beat him in his prime too.
That's it. Do you think I was trying to infer something more than that?
You brought up the result of the fight as if it was relevant but as I pointed out, beating a 37 year old Reid is as relevant as Calzaghes win over Eubank, Marcianos over Louis and Holmes over Ali.
The point is prime Froch beats prime Reid. Styles do make fights and Groves is more fluid and faster than Reid so I think George would beat him.
Groves is more fluid and faster than Reid?
What world champions has he beaten?
In fact, how many world championship fights has he had and how many has he won?
Groves will have fought plenty of world champions when his career is finished and I bet he will pick up a title against Abraham if he wanted.
Yes, probably as a habitual challenger;D
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Re: Was a young Robin Reid better than George Groves?
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ross
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AdamGB
Master said he doubted Reid would beat Froch, I pointed out that he had lost to Froch, but not during Reid's prime. I added my opinion that I thought Froch would likely beat him in his prime too.
That's it. Do you think I was trying to infer something more than that?
You brought up the result of the fight as if it was relevant but as I pointed out, beating a 37 year old Reid is as relevant as Calzaghes win over Eubank, Marcianos over Louis and Holmes over Ali.
Relevant to what exactly? I replied directly to Master because I wasn't sure if he knew the two had met, that's it. I can't simplify it for you any more, I wish I could!...
If I was trying to make more of it than that then I wouldn't have went out of my way to point out that Reid was old at the time would I?! ???
Jesus... Only you would get excited over and try to dissect such a simple post... :vd:
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Re: Was a young Robin Reid better than George Groves?
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AdamGB
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ross
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AdamGB
Master said he doubted Reid would beat Froch, I pointed out that he had lost to Froch, but not during Reid's prime. I added my opinion that I thought Froch would likely beat him in his prime too.
That's it. Do you think I was trying to infer something more than that?
You brought up the result of the fight as if it was relevant but as I pointed out, beating a 37 year old Reid is as relevant as Calzaghes win over Eubank, Marcianos over Louis and Holmes over Ali.
Relevant to what exactly? I replied directly to Master because I wasn't sure if he knew the two had met, that's it. I can't simplify it for you any more, I wish I could!...
If I was trying to make more of it than that then I wouldn't have went out of my way to point out that Reid was old at the time would I?! ???
Jesus... Only you would get excited over and try to dissect such a simple post... :vd:
I have to agree Ross, I am seeing a whole new side of you. I had forgotten Froch had fought Reid must have been some crazy come back from Reid.
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Re: Was a young Robin Reid better than George Groves?
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Master
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AdamGB
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ross
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Originally Posted by
AdamGB
Master said he doubted Reid would beat Froch, I pointed out that he had lost to Froch, but not during Reid's prime. I added my opinion that I thought Froch would likely beat him in his prime too.
That's it. Do you think I was trying to infer something more than that?
You brought up the result of the fight as if it was relevant but as I pointed out, beating a 37 year old Reid is as relevant as Calzaghes win over Eubank, Marcianos over Louis and Holmes over Ali.
Relevant to what exactly? I replied directly to Master because I wasn't sure if he knew the two had met, that's it. I can't simplify it for you any more, I wish I could!...
If I was trying to make more of it than that then I wouldn't have went out of my way to point out that Reid was old at the time would I?! ???
Jesus... Only you would get excited over and try to dissect such a simple post... :vd:
I have to agree Ross, I am seeing a whole new side of you. I had forgotten Froch had fought Reid must have been some crazy come back from Reid.
When Groves beats a world champion we can talk. The title of thread is who is the better fighter. A young Robin Reid or George Groves. Not George Groves in the future when theres an improbably possibility he gets any better.
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Re: Was a young Robin Reid better than George Groves?
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ross
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Master
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AdamGB
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ross
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Originally Posted by
AdamGB
Master said he doubted Reid would beat Froch, I pointed out that he had lost to Froch, but not during Reid's prime. I added my opinion that I thought Froch would likely beat him in his prime too.
That's it. Do you think I was trying to infer something more than that?
You brought up the result of the fight as if it was relevant but as I pointed out, beating a 37 year old Reid is as relevant as Calzaghes win over Eubank, Marcianos over Louis and Holmes over Ali.
Relevant to what exactly? I replied directly to Master because I wasn't sure if he knew the two had met, that's it. I can't simplify it for you any more, I wish I could!...
If I was trying to make more of it than that then I wouldn't have went out of my way to point out that Reid was old at the time would I?! ???
Jesus... Only you would get excited over and try to dissect such a simple post... :vd:
I have to agree Ross, I am seeing a whole new side of you. I had forgotten Froch had fought Reid must have been some crazy come back from Reid.
When Groves beats a world champion we can talk. The title of thread is who is the better fighter. A young Robin Reid or George Groves. Not George Groves in the future when theres an improbably possibility he gets any better.
Did Robin Reid ever beat a world class fighter?
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Re: Was a young Robin Reid better than George Groves?
Reid was just a good domestic level fighter who managed to win a world title. It happens sometimes but he was nothing special. George Groves beats him easily. James Degale easily beats Reid too.
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Reid was just a good domestic level fighter who managed to win a world title. It happens sometimes but he was nothing special. George Groves beats him easily. James Degale easily beats Reid too.
He didnt just win a title. He gave the two best and undefeated fighters in his weight their closest run fights and was in some peoples eyes robbed.
George has done nothing. Hes failed at his first attempt at a title, hes failed at his second. Its only a matter of time before he fails at his third.
DeGale is ok but has a loss to Groves and his career seems to be going nowhere. Neither he nor Groves have any impressive "name" wins.
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Re: Was a young Robin Reid better than George Groves?
I liked watching Reid, he was a very good fighter when on form
he was well past his best when he fought lacey, I think he would have beaten him in his prime
I also think calzaghe wasn't at his best when he fought reid and the fight would have been much more comfortable if he had
I think the most probably result of Groves v Reid - prime for prime is Groves by decision
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Re: Was a young Robin Reid better than George Groves?
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I liked watching Reid, he was a very good fighter when on form
he was well past his best when he fought lacey, I think he would have beaten him in his prime
I also think calzaghe wasn't at his best when he fought reid and the fight would have been much more comfortable if he had
I think the most probably result of Groves v Reid - prime for prime is Groves by decision
Everyone with the remotest bit of power has hurt Groves, so I doubt it.
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Re: Was a young Robin Reid better than George Groves?
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ross
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erics44
I liked watching Reid, he was a very good fighter when on form
he was well past his best when he fought lacey, I think he would have beaten him in his prime
I also think calzaghe wasn't at his best when he fought reid and the fight would have been much more comfortable if he had
I think the most probably result of Groves v Reid - prime for prime is Groves by decision
Everyone with the remotest bit of power has hurt Groves, so I doubt it.
that is a massive over statement and not a fact
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Re: Was a young Robin Reid better than George Groves?
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ross
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erics44
I liked watching Reid, he was a very good fighter when on form
he was well past his best when he fought lacey, I think he would have beaten him in his prime
I also think calzaghe wasn't at his best when he fought reid and the fight would have been much more comfortable if he had
I think the most probably result of Groves v Reid - prime for prime is Groves by decision
Everyone with the remotest bit of power has hurt Groves, so I doubt it.
that is a massive over statement and not a fact
You are like a dog with a bone @ross just leave it. Reid was not a monster puncher he was muscle bound and slow.
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Re: Was a young Robin Reid better than George Groves?
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Master
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erics44
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ross
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erics44
I liked watching Reid, he was a very good fighter when on form
he was well past his best when he fought lacey, I think he would have beaten him in his prime
I also think calzaghe wasn't at his best when he fought reid and the fight would have been much more comfortable if he had
I think the most probably result of Groves v Reid - prime for prime is Groves by decision
Everyone with the remotest bit of power has hurt Groves, so I doubt it.
that is a massive over statement and not a fact
You are like a dog with a bone @
ross just leave it. Reid was not a monster puncher he was muscle bound and slow.
He can punch. He hurt Calzaghe, Joe has said that Reid is a heavy puncher. Froch said at the time it was the hardest hed ever been hit. Reid also dropped Ottke. No one else dropped Ottke.
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Re: Was a young Robin Reid better than George Groves?
Can't remember Joe and Froch saying that and I am sure Ottke was a slip. :)
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Can't remember Joe and Froch saying that and I am sure Ottke was a slip. :)
Ottke wasnt a slip. Watch it.
Froch saying Reid is the hardest puncher hes ever faced and this was after the first Groves fight.
MH Grill: Carl Froch :: Men's Health
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Re: Was a young Robin Reid better than George Groves?
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ross
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Master
Can't remember Joe and Froch saying that and I am sure Ottke was a slip. :)
Ottke wasnt a slip. Watch it.
Froch saying Reid is the hardest puncher hes ever faced and this was after the first Groves fight.
MH Grill: Carl Froch :: Men's Health
He said the hardest puncher he faced was Arthur Abrahams and the hardest he had been hit was Reid big difference. Froch was probably not taking Reid not seriously as he was old but with AA he did not allow himself to get hit.
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Re: Was a young Robin Reid better than George Groves?
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Master
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ross
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Master
Can't remember Joe and Froch saying that and I am sure Ottke was a slip. :)
Ottke wasnt a slip. Watch it.
Froch saying Reid is the hardest puncher hes ever faced and this was after the first Groves fight.
MH Grill: Carl Froch :: Men's Health
He said the hardest puncher he faced was Arthur Abrahams and the hardest he had been hit was Reid big difference. Froch was probably not taking Reid not seriously as he was old but with AA he did not allow himself to get hit.
Its there n black and white. The hardest hes ever been hit is by Reid.
Hes saying on paper Abraham was a big puncher but the reality was that Reid hit him harder than anyone else including Groves apparently.;)
Breath it in, ahhh...
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Re: Was a young Robin Reid better than George Groves?
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ross
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Master
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ross
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Master
Can't remember Joe and Froch saying that and I am sure Ottke was a slip. :)
Ottke wasnt a slip. Watch it.
Froch saying Reid is the hardest puncher hes ever faced and this was after the first Groves fight.
MH Grill: Carl Froch :: Men's Health
He said the hardest puncher he faced was Arthur Abrahams and the hardest he had been hit was Reid big difference. Froch was probably not taking Reid not seriously as he was old but with AA he did not allow himself to get hit.
Its there n black and white. The hardest hes ever been hit is by Reid.
Hes saying on paper Abraham was a big puncher but the reality was that Reid hit him harder than anyone else including Groves apparently.;)
Breath it in, ahhh...
Read it and understand. Reid hit him the hardest but that does not mean he is the hardest puncher he has faced there is a difference.
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Re: Was a young Robin Reid better than George Groves?
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Master
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ross
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Master
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ross
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Master
Can't remember Joe and Froch saying that and I am sure Ottke was a slip. :)
Ottke wasnt a slip. Watch it.
Froch saying Reid is the hardest puncher hes ever faced and this was after the first Groves fight.
MH Grill: Carl Froch :: Men's Health
He said the hardest puncher he faced was Arthur Abrahams and the hardest he had been hit was Reid big difference. Froch was probably not taking Reid not seriously as he was old but with AA he did not allow himself to get hit.
Its there n black and white. The hardest hes ever been hit is by Reid.
Hes saying on paper Abraham was a big puncher but the reality was that Reid hit him harder than anyone else including Groves apparently.;)
Breath it in, ahhh...
Read it and understand. Reid hit him the hardest but that does not mean he is the hardest puncher he has faced there is a difference.
Ok, Reid was the most effective and hardest puncher actually being able to catch Froch where Abraham couldnt. If YOU re read he actually says he has no idea how how hard Abraham hits because Abraham couldnt touch him. He said Abraham was the biggest puncher on papaer not in reality. Dont forget Abraham was a puncher against middleweights whereas a past it 37 year old Reid actually hit Froch harder than anyone else and this includes Kessler and Groves.
"The hardest hitter is probably the guy who didn’t hit me, Arthur Abraham. His record said he was the hardest hitter but I can’t say whether he was or not. When I fought him he never landed any punches, I made him miss. Robin Reid hit me with the hardest punch I’ve ever been hit with."
Its there, for some reason you are choosing to interperet it as so ething else. Reid was a good puncher.
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Re: Was a young Robin Reid better than George Groves?
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ross
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Master
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ross
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Master
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ross
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Master
Can't remember Joe and Froch saying that and I am sure Ottke was a slip. :)
Ottke wasnt a slip. Watch it.
Froch saying Reid is the hardest puncher hes ever faced and this was after the first Groves fight.
MH Grill: Carl Froch :: Men's Health
He said the hardest puncher he faced was Arthur Abrahams and the hardest he had been hit was Reid big difference. Froch was probably not taking Reid not seriously as he was old but with AA he did not allow himself to get hit.
Its there n black and white. The hardest hes ever been hit is by Reid.
Hes saying on paper Abraham was a big puncher but the reality was that Reid hit him harder than anyone else including Groves apparently.;)
Breath it in, ahhh...
Read it and understand. Reid hit him the hardest but that does not mean he is the hardest puncher he has faced there is a difference.
Ok, Reid was the most effective and hardest puncher actually being able to catch Froch where Abraham couldnt. If YOU re read he actually says he has no idea how how hard Abraham hits because Abraham couldnt touch him. He said Abraham was the biggest puncher on papaer not in reality. Dont forget Abraham was a puncher against middleweights whereas a past it 37 year old Reid actually hit Froch harder than anyone else and this includes Kessler and Groves.
"The hardest hitter is probably the guy who didn’t hit me, Arthur Abraham. His record said he was the hardest hitter but I can’t say whether he was or not. When I fought him he never landed any punches, I made him miss. Robin Reid hit me with the hardest punch I’ve ever been hit with."
Its there, for some reason you are choosing to interperet it as so ething else. Reid was a good puncher.
Reid was definitely a good puncher
he beat ottke
he was miles past his best by the time he fought lacey
so he is a very respected fighter and very definitely world class, if you name britains top super middle weights reid would be up there but I don't think he would be the cream, and I personally think that groves could outbox him, I wouldn't put my house on it tho
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Re: Was a young Robin Reid better than George Groves?
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erics44
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ross
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Master
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ross
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Master
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ross
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Master
Can't remember Joe and Froch saying that and I am sure Ottke was a slip. :)
Ottke wasnt a slip. Watch it.
Froch saying Reid is the hardest puncher hes ever faced and this was after the first Groves fight.
MH Grill: Carl Froch :: Men's Health
He said the hardest puncher he faced was Arthur Abrahams and the hardest he had been hit was Reid big difference. Froch was probably not taking Reid not seriously as he was old but with AA he did not allow himself to get hit.
Its there n black and white. The hardest hes ever been hit is by Reid.
Hes saying on paper Abraham was a big puncher but the reality was that Reid hit him harder than anyone else including Groves apparently.;)
Breath it in, ahhh...
Read it and understand. Reid hit him the hardest but that does not mean he is the hardest puncher he has faced there is a difference.
Ok, Reid was the most effective and hardest puncher actually being able to catch Froch where Abraham couldnt. If YOU re read he actually says he has no idea how how hard Abraham hits because Abraham couldnt touch him. He said Abraham was the biggest puncher on papaer not in reality. Dont forget Abraham was a puncher against middleweights whereas a past it 37 year old Reid actually hit Froch harder than anyone else and this includes Kessler and Groves.
"The hardest hitter is probably the guy who didn’t hit me, Arthur Abraham. His record said he was the hardest hitter but I can’t say whether he was or not. When I fought him he never landed any punches, I made him miss. Robin Reid hit me with the hardest punch I’ve ever been hit with."
Its there, for some reason you are choosing to interperet it as so ething else. Reid was a good puncher.
Reid was definitely a good puncher
he beat ottke
he was miles past his best by the time he fought lacey
so he is a very respected fighter and very definitely world class, if you name britains top super middle weights reid would be up there but I don't think he would be the cream, and I personally think that groves could outbox him, I wouldn't put my house on it tho
Yeah, he was known for being strong and having a good chin and that first knockdown seemed to ruin his punch resistance for good. Never knocked down previously amateur or pro, in sparring or competition. 130 odd amteur bouts against the best in the world. Lacy cheated. The ref was calling stop 3 times, Reid turns to the ref and as hes facing the ref Lacy turns to Reid and lets rip with a huge right hook that smashes in to Reids chin. Reid looks back at Lacy then delayed, goes down on a knee then the ref deducts a pount from Reid for usng the head but says fuck all to Lacy for punching when he had called both to stop.
Mayweather got shit for hitting Ortiz but the ref hadnt called stop.
Reid also gave Magee his first loss in Magees backyard dropping him 4 times.
I say that Groves is being massively over rated now because of Froch looking shit in the first fight. Groves chin will haunt him against any punchers and Reid was a puncher.
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Re: Was a young Robin Reid better than George Groves?
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ross
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erics44
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ross
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Master
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ross
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Master
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ross
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Master
Can't remember Joe and Froch saying that and I am sure Ottke was a slip. :)
Ottke wasnt a slip. Watch it.
Froch saying Reid is the hardest puncher hes ever faced and this was after the first Groves fight.
MH Grill: Carl Froch :: Men's Health
He said the hardest puncher he faced was Arthur Abrahams and the hardest he had been hit was Reid big difference. Froch was probably not taking Reid not seriously as he was old but with AA he did not allow himself to get hit.
Its there n black and white. The hardest hes ever been hit is by Reid.
Hes saying on paper Abraham was a big puncher but the reality was that Reid hit him harder than anyone else including Groves apparently.;)
Breath it in, ahhh...
Read it and understand. Reid hit him the hardest but that does not mean he is the hardest puncher he has faced there is a difference.
Ok, Reid was the most effective and hardest puncher actually being able to catch Froch where Abraham couldnt. If YOU re read he actually says he has no idea how how hard Abraham hits because Abraham couldnt touch him. He said Abraham was the biggest puncher on papaer not in reality. Dont forget Abraham was a puncher against middleweights whereas a past it 37 year old Reid actually hit Froch harder than anyone else and this includes Kessler and Groves.
"The hardest hitter is probably the guy who didn’t hit me, Arthur Abraham. His record said he was the hardest hitter but I can’t say whether he was or not. When I fought him he never landed any punches, I made him miss. Robin Reid hit me with the hardest punch I’ve ever been hit with."
Its there, for some reason you are choosing to interperet it as so ething else. Reid was a good puncher.
Reid was definitely a good puncher
he beat ottke
he was miles past his best by the time he fought lacey
so he is a very respected fighter and very definitely world class, if you name britains top super middle weights reid would be up there but I don't think he would be the cream, and I personally think that groves could outbox him, I wouldn't put my house on it tho
Yeah, he was known for being strong and having a good chin and that first knockdown seemed to ruin his punch resistance for good. Never knocked down previously amateur or pro, in sparring or competition. 130 odd amteur bouts against the best in the world. Lacy cheated. The ref was calling stop 3 times, Reid turns to the ref and as hes facing the ref Lacy turns to Reid and lets rip with a huge right hook that smashes in to Reids chin. Reid looks back at Lacy then delayed, goes down on a knee then the ref deducts a pount from Reid for usng the head but says fuck all to Lacy for punching when he had called both to stop.
Mayweather got shit for hitting Ortiz but the ref hadnt called stop.
Reid also gave Magee his first loss in Magees backyard dropping him 4 times.
I say that Groves is being massively over rated now because of Froch looking shit in the first fight. Groves chin will haunt him against any punchers and Reid was a puncher.
Ross, are you a Reid fan? lol
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Re: Was a young Robin Reid better than George Groves?
In fairness Ross is right on a lot of points. Groves could be very overrated. His problem is he is so biased to fighters that he fails to see any argument for the other side.
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In fairness Ross is right on a lot of points. Groves could be very overrated. His problem is he is so biased to fighters that he fails to see any argument for the other side.
groves could be overrated, he could have a chinny problem theres no doubt
but Reid did blow hot and cold even in his pomp
ross mentions a win over brian magee as a big point in his career, but I watched that fight and magee went down a few times but I think all the knockdowns were in the first couple of rounds, it went the distance tho and it was a close fight, the knockdowns made a big difference
I don't really see groves struggling with magee like that
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In fairness Ross is right on a lot of points. Groves could be very overrated. His problem is he is so biased to fighters that he fails to see any argument for the other side.
groves could be overrated, he could have a chinny problem theres no doubt
but Reid did blow hot and cold even in his pomp
ross mentions a win over brian magee as a big point in his career, but I watched that fight and magee went down a few times but I think all the knockdowns were in the first couple of rounds, it went the distance tho and it was a close fight, the knockdowns made a big difference
I don't really see groves struggling with magee like that
Froch struggled with him. He stopped him but Magee caused him problems.
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Re: Was a young Robin Reid better than George Groves?
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ross
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erics44
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Silkeyjoe
In fairness Ross is right on a lot of points. Groves could be very overrated. His problem is he is so biased to fighters that he fails to see any argument for the other side.
groves could be overrated, he could have a chinny problem theres no doubt
but Reid did blow hot and cold even in his pomp
ross mentions a win over brian magee as a big point in his career, but I watched that fight and magee went down a few times but I think all the knockdowns were in the first couple of rounds, it went the distance tho and it was a close fight, the knockdowns made a big difference
I don't really see groves struggling with magee like that
Froch struggled with him. He stopped him but Magee caused him problems.
yep magee fought very well, a close fight until the stoppage
styles make fights tho, don't they?
is froch the type of fighter that dominates fights against boxers?
he definitely didn't dominate either time against groves
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Can't remember Joe and Froch saying that and I am sure Ottke was a slip. :)
Ottke wasnt a slip. Watch it.
Froch saying Reid is the hardest puncher hes ever faced and this was after the first Groves fight.
MH Grill: Carl Froch :: Men's Health
He said the hardest puncher he faced was Arthur Abrahams and the hardest he had been hit was Reid big difference. Froch was probably not taking Reid not seriously as he was old but with AA he did not allow himself to get hit.
Its there n black and white. The hardest hes ever been hit is by Reid.
Hes saying on paper Abraham was a big puncher but the reality was that Reid hit him harder than anyone else including Groves apparently.;)
Breath it in, ahhh...
Read it and understand. Reid hit him the hardest but that does not mean he is the hardest puncher he has faced there is a difference.
Ok, Reid was the most effective and hardest puncher actually being able to catch Froch where Abraham couldnt. If YOU re read he actually says he has no idea how how hard Abraham hits because Abraham couldnt touch him. He said Abraham was the biggest puncher on papaer not in reality. Dont forget Abraham was a puncher against middleweights whereas a past it 37 year old Reid actually hit Froch harder than anyone else and this includes Kessler and Groves.
"The hardest hitter is probably the guy who didn’t hit me, Arthur Abraham. His record said he was the hardest hitter but I can’t say whether he was or not. When I fought him he never landed any punches, I made him miss. Robin Reid hit me with the hardest punch I’ve ever been hit with."
Its there, for some reason you are choosing to interperet it as so ething else. Reid was a good puncher.
Reid was definitely a good puncher
he beat ottke
he was miles past his best by the time he fought lacey
so he is a very respected fighter and very definitely world class, if you name britains top super middle weights reid would be up there but I don't think he would be the cream, and I personally think that groves could outbox him, I wouldn't put my house on it tho
Yeah, he was known for being strong and having a good chin and that first knockdown seemed to ruin his punch resistance for good. Never knocked down previously amateur or pro, in sparring or competition. 130 odd amteur bouts against the best in the world. Lacy cheated. The ref was calling stop 3 times, Reid turns to the ref and as hes facing the ref Lacy turns to Reid and lets rip with a huge right hook that smashes in to Reids chin. Reid looks back at Lacy then delayed, goes down on a knee then the ref deducts a pount from Reid for usng the head but says fuck all to Lacy for punching when he had called both to stop.
Mayweather got shit for hitting Ortiz but the ref hadnt called stop.
Reid also gave Magee his first loss in Magees backyard dropping him 4 times.
I say that Groves is being massively over rated now because of Froch looking shit in the first fight. Groves chin will haunt him against any punchers and Reid was a puncher.
Ross, are you a Reid fan? lol
Yes;D
I thought he was brilliant! I loved his attitude and the fact he could take a shot and had power.
He wasn't the greatest but was very good and anyone who wanted to mix it he made for a good fight. Even the Lacy fight he showed glimpses of what he could have done after a few rounds and he warmed up. His problem around this time was inactivity. When he fought Froch, a year or so before he beat Jesse Brinkley after another long lay off. He was then sanctioned or whatever its called to fight the also come backing Glen Catley as an eliminator for the british title that Froch had. Cately didn't want to know and retired rather than face Reid. So Reid missed out on a nice warm up fight. I dont believe he had the resilience and energy to beat Froch at that point but a warm up against Catley would have made him sharper and a lot more interesting fight against Froch.
Reid v Lacy, go to 5.20 in amd watch the blatant cheat by Lacy. Even the American commentators are disgusted by it and the refs actions to Reid. Listen till about a minute after the knockdown as they still mention it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2ikVesbjS4o
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Re: Was a young Robin Reid better than George Groves?
If you are going to get worked up about a fighter I can understand Tyson but not Robin Reid.
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If you are going to get worked up about a fighter I can understand Tyson but not Robin Reid.
I just cant understand the ease with which some are pickng Groves at this point as a better fighter than Reid ever was when Groves has done nothing really but Reid was a world champion who pushed wo of the best super middles ever to disputed decisions.
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If you are going to get worked up about a fighter I can understand Tyson but not Robin Reid.
I just cant understand the ease with which some are pickng Groves at this point as a better fighter than Reid ever was when Groves has done nothing really but Reid was a world champion who pushed wo of the best super middles ever to disputed decisions.
As I have explained because he was at the right time and place to pick up a world title and fought Joe during his injury period.
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If you are going to get worked up about a fighter I can understand Tyson but not Robin Reid.
I just cant understand the ease with which some are pickng Groves at this point as a better fighter than Reid ever was when Groves has done nothing really but Reid was a world champion who pushed wo of the best super middles ever to disputed decisions.
As I have explained because he was at the right time and place to pick up a world title and fought Joe during his injury period.
Joe broke his hand on Reid during the fight!
Reid caused his hand problems by being so hard;)
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If you are going to get worked up about a fighter I can understand Tyson but not Robin Reid.
I just cant understand the ease with which some are pickng Groves at this point as a better fighter than Reid ever was when Groves has done nothing really but Reid was a world champion who pushed wo of the best super middles ever to disputed decisions.
As I have explained because he was at the right time and place to pick up a world title and fought Joe during his injury period.
Joe broke his hand on Reid during the fight!
Reid caused his hand problems by being so hard;)
Joe had elbow and hand problems before that. ;)
