Re: Floyd avoiding Thurman now!
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IamInuit
What does fighting Gurerro have to do with the flavour of the month in Thurman and this ridiculous notion that Floyd is ducking him? Robert beat the snot out of Berto and then followed it up with a waxing of Aydin and that's after jumping straight from 135. What has Thurman done save managing a win over Diego Chaves? and a couple of journeymen in Diaz and Karass. Have him beat Porter or challenge Brook.
Floyds a fight or two from ending his career.
Seriously get a grip!
Jesus lam i never took you for a nuthugger. Who deserves a shot then? Going from your description noone deserves a shot and whoever Floyd choses is the right choice. For the rest of us who enjoy the credibility of boxing we want to see the best fight the best and actually challenge themselves instead of watching one dimensional limited fights chase floyd around the ring like a kid trying to swat a fly. And did you not watch the Guerrero fight? Guerrero took as much shots as Berto did and was alot more damaged at the end of the fight. That fight clearly showed Guerrero was not at the level of Floyd
By Iam's logic, let's let Floyd retire now with a 50 and 0 record, and let's just chalk up victories against Pac, Thurman and Khan just because we knew he would win.
FOOH!!
Re: Floyd avoiding Thurman now!
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IamInuit
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Rantcatrat
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IamInuit
What does fighting Gurerro have to do with the flavour of the month in Thurman and this ridiculous notion that Floyd is ducking him? Robert beat the snot out of Berto and then followed it up with a waxing of Aydin and that's after jumping straight from 135. What has Thurman done save managing a win over Diego Chaves? and a couple of journeymen in Diaz and Karass. Have him beat Porter or challenge Brook.
Floyds a fight or two from ending his career.
Seriously get a grip!
Just so we're clear, Floyd isn't ducking Thurman. That's ridiculous.
I was only suggesting that Guerrero and Ortiz hadn't done much to "earn" a fight with Floyd either. While I agree that Thurman needs a high profile fight or two before Floyd, he's not a horrible fight on paper either considering Guerrero and Ortiz and considering there isn't a ton out there for Floyd at 147.
Like I said in another thread, Andrade is a decent match-up at 154 if he gets by Charlo. Who else?
I have no idea who. Floyds in a difficult spot and I personally think he's starting to fall apart. What I see is a % of the boxing public that just wants to see him lose no matter the costs. Some will attempt to justify just about anything as long as those chances of him losing increase.
Robinson pulled Aaron Wade out of a two year retirement and fought him along with avoiding Burley and the rest of the Murderers Row and people don't even bring that up when discussing him. It just seems to me that the bar isn't just raised for Floyd but its unreachable and much of that stems to the fact that he's a dick. I would not have wanted his childhood.
Ok back to who? The first question ought to be, does he really need anyone for legacy and the answer to that question is NO and neither does Manny or Hopkins etc etc. History will not be kind to either man because of the missed fight but the two are fine with their pugilist endeavors w/o it. I wanted Tito and Ike to fight just as bad as some wanted the phantom fight. It never happened.
I think Floyds wants the 50 but his body and mind are in disagreement. Lets remember that he is not obligated anymore then any other past great to fight life and death with every challenge or fight the biggest perceived threat of the day. I don't think he wants to fight Khan. I simply believe its an interesting matchup. One historically does well with swarmers and picks them apart but has never really fought a boxer as fast or faster then he is and the other has been bullied by swarmers and has rarely been able to show his skill set because he gets taken to the trenches. Floyd wont take him there. Its also a huge money fight and thats what Floyd craves. He's already crying about Oscar taking the Cinco de Mayo back.
He might prove everyone wrong and call it a day. I know what you are getting at and even his dad is calling for "a couple of easy ones" and that wont wash and who would his 50th be with? I dont know but I do know one thing. He's not ducking Thurman.
There's a reason people don't bring up Robinson's alleged ducking of Burley (by the way, there are those that would argue he didn't duck him)--Robinson fought 50 years ago and many of the people who followed his career closely have passed away. Not to mention two wrongs don't make a right.
I think you're on to something though. We've see Floyd in with enough slower, aggressive, offensive fighters. When was the last time Floyd fought a defensive boxer? Or at least a boxer/puncher as fast as he is?
That's part of the reason Thurman makes sense to me because he doesn't fit the stereotypical Mayweather opponent. His problem is that he's too green. I agree with you there. I would say hold off on him.
Khan's chin is such a glaring flaw that I have to think that Floyd will expose it, like Prescott and Garcia did years ago. It's just too much of a liability.
Andrade to me might be the best opponent out there. He's a boxer/puncher, who is fast, and has good legs. I don't think he beats Mayweather, but at least it's a different styles clash. Do you disagree?
Lara needs another win against a quality opponent and he should be back in the sweepstakes.
Re: Floyd avoiding Thurman now!
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Rantcatrat
There's a reason people don't bring up Robinson's alleged ducking of Burley (by the way, there are those that would argue he didn't duck him)--Robinson fought 50 years ago and many of the people who followed his career closely have passed away. Not to mention two wrongs don't make a right.
Well I brought it up and I've examined boxing history most of my adult life and admire Ray Robinson. I'm one who believes he avoided Burley among others because he was a product of his environment just as much as Floyd is of his. I dont care how many years ago it was and that was hardly the point.
What two wrongs? Avoidance whether real or perceived is a matter of fact in this sport and more so today with a gazillion belts then anytime in history and yet throughout Floyds career the only person he can even be considered to have ducked is Margarito. Every Tom, Dick and Harry with an undefeated record can call him out. Him not fighting Thurman does not mean he ducked him.
I think you're on to something though. We've see Floyd in with enough slower, aggressive, offensive fighters. When was the last time Floyd fought a defensive boxer? Or at least a boxer/puncher as fast as he is?
Never unless you include Judah and Corley. Khans faster then they were and has a requirement to beating Floyd which is a world class jab. Oscar showed that in the first half of their fight.
That's part of the reason Thurman makes sense to me because he doesn't fit the stereotypical Mayweather opponent. His problem is that he's too green. I agree with you there. I would say hold off on him.
Really? He reminds me of a more limited Jake Lamotta who in truth did manage to out jab Ray once but he's slow and a counter bag if you ask me. Just not all that impressed tbh. But you know if Floyd waits around long enough, he will get beat by someone who could not carry his jock 2 years ago.
Khan's chin is such a glaring flaw that I have to think that Floyd will expose it, like Prescott and Garcia did years ago. It's just too much of a liability.
I think we fans play that a little to much. Sure its dodgy but his placement when he gets caught is half the problem and that stems back again to his inability to fight in the gutter and clumsy feet when forced to do so. He took some bombs from Maidana. I dont think he has to worry about that with Floyd and it could resemble Hearns/Leonard in many ways.
Andrade to me might be the best opponent out there. He's a boxer/puncher, who is fast, and has good legs. I don't think he beats Mayweather, but at least it's a different styles clash. Do you disagree?
No I agree but I dont think he gets a fight either. Floyds ego is to big and if he loses now it will have to either be to a household name or he moves up and fights a real middle champ or I suppose the winner of Cotto/Alvarez. That is a card in his pocket perhaps.
Lara needs another win against a quality opponent and he should be back in the sweepstakes.
Cant agree with this one. It would be like watching Locche and Pep fight;D Dont see it happening while PPV still rules the day.
Selfishly, I'm kinda hoping he takes a forgotten soldier that has fought his way back like Jo Jo Dan and we get a real Cinderella man story out of it.
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I think Floyds wants the 50 but his body and mind are in disagreement. Lets remember that he is not obligated anymore then any other past great to fight life and death with every challenge or fight the biggest perceived threat of the day.
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THen he should just fucking retire. He is making his legacy worse by picking these same fighters to run from over and over. FIght someone dangerous....or retire
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I think Floyds wants the 50 but his body and mind are in disagreement. Lets remember that he is not obligated anymore then any other past great to fight life and death with every challenge or fight the biggest perceived threat of the day.
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THen he should just fucking retire. He is making his legacy worse by picking these same fighters to run from over and over. FIght someone dangerous....or retire
... and this is fresh history. Not shady 50 years ago history. I mean, EVERYTHING is recorded.
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People say they don't wanna see Floyd rematch Alvarez. Yet they are pushing for a Thurman fight. Why? Cuz he beat Julio Diaz and Soto Karass? Thurman would have less success than Alvarez did
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I think Floyds wants the 50 but his body and mind are in disagreement. Lets remember that he is not obligated anymore then any other past great to fight life and death with every challenge or fight the biggest perceived threat of the day.
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THen he should just fucking retire. He is making his legacy worse by picking these same fighters to run from over and over. FIght someone dangerous....or retire
... and this is fresh history. Not shady 50 years ago history. I mean, EVERYTHING is recorded.
Floyd should do like those all time greats from 50 years ago and fight bums with 12-5-4 and 29-19-8 records.
Re: Floyd avoiding Thurman now!
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Silkeyjoe
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IamInuit
What does fighting Gurerro have to do with the flavour of the month in Thurman and this ridiculous notion that Floyd is ducking him? Robert beat the snot out of Berto and then followed it up with a waxing of Aydin and that's after jumping straight from 135. What has Thurman done save managing a win over Diego Chaves? and a couple of journeymen in Diaz and Karass. Have him beat Porter or challenge Brook.
Floyds a fight or two from ending his career.
Seriously get a grip!
Jesus lam i never took you for a nuthugger. Who deserves a shot then? Going from your description noone deserves a shot and whoever Floyd choses is the right choice. For the rest of us who enjoy the credibility of boxing we want to see the best fight the best and actually challenge themselves instead of watching one dimensional limited fights chase floyd around the ring like a kid trying to swat a fly. And did you not watch the Guerrero fight? Guerrero took as much shots as Berto did and was alot more damaged at the end of the fight. That fight clearly showed Guerrero was not at the level of Floyd
I've seen people take things out of context before but this is as fucking ridiculous as the notion that he's ducking Thurman.
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I think Floyds wants the 50 but his body and mind are in disagreement. Lets remember that he is not obligated anymore then any other past great to fight life and death with every challenge or fight the biggest perceived threat of the day.
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THen he should just fucking retire. He is making his legacy worse by picking these same fighters to run from over and over. FIght someone dangerous....or retire
Apply that pretzel logic to everyone else in history.
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Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by IamInuit;127484
I think Floyds wants the 50 but his body and mind are in disagreement. Lets remember that he is not obligated anymore then any other past great to fight life and death with every challenge or fight the biggest perceived threat of the day.
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THen he should just fucking retire. He is making his legacy worse by picking these same fighters to run from over and over. FIght someone dangerous....or retire
... and this is fresh history. Not shady 50 years ago history. I mean, EVERYTHING is recorded.
Like I said, Get a grip. Now I'm certain. You have been following this sport for about 4 years and believe that somehow nothing before matters in terms of legacy and prize fighting or how much they overlap. And in the minds of people like you, one is either a nuthugger or a hater.
In short you are a fucking pin head. I wont even bother to respond to tadpoles like you anymore who's sense of boxing history was last week and instead seek out real fucking dialogue and debate.
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[QUOTE=IamInuit;1274952][QUOTE=ykdadamaja;1274931][QUOTE=chris6878;1274924]
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by IamInuit;127484
I think Floyds wants the 50 but his body and mind are in disagreement. Lets remember that he is not obligated anymore then any other past great to fight life and death with every challenge or fight the biggest perceived threat of the day.
[/QUOTE
THen he should just fucking retire. He is making his legacy worse by picking these same fighters to run from over and over. FIght someone dangerous....or retire
... and this is fresh history. Not shady 50 years ago history. I mean, EVERYTHING is recorded.
Like I said, Get a grip. Now I'm certain. You have been following this sport for about 4 years and believe that somehow nothing before matters in terms of legacy and prize fighting or how much they overlap. And in the minds of people like you, one is either a nuthugger or a hater.
In short you are a fucking pin head. I wont even bother to respond to tadpoles like you anymore who's sense of boxing history was last week and instead seek out real fucking dialogue and debate.
You sound as bitchy as Floyd. lolol...
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chris6878
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IamInuit
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by IamInuit;127484
I think Floyds wants the 50 but his body and mind are in disagreement. Lets remember that he is not obligated anymore then any other past great to fight life and death with every challenge or fight the biggest perceived threat of the day.
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THen he should just fucking retire. He is making his legacy worse by picking these same fighters to run from over and over. FIght someone dangerous....or retire
... and this is fresh history. Not shady 50 years ago history. I mean, EVERYTHING is recorded.
Like I said, Get a grip. Now I'm certain. You have been following this sport for about 4 years and believe that somehow nothing before matters in terms of legacy and prize fighting or how much they overlap. And in the minds of people like you, one is either a nuthugger or a hater.
In short you are a fucking pin head. I wont even bother to respond to tadpoles like you anymore who's sense of boxing history was last week and instead seek out real fucking dialogue and debate.
You sound as bitchy as Floyd. lolol...
You are a one trick pony. Stop fronting like you have any sense of boxing history you juvenile cunt.
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ykdadamaja
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chris6878
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IamInuit
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by IamInuit;127484
I think Floyds wants the 50 but his body and mind are in disagreement. Lets remember that he is not obligated anymore then any other past great to fight life and death with every challenge or fight the biggest perceived threat of the day.
[/QUOTE
THen he should just fucking retire. He is making his legacy worse by picking these same fighters to run from over and over. FIght someone dangerous....or retire
... and this is fresh history. Not shady 50 years ago history. I mean, EVERYTHING is recorded.
Like I said, Get a grip. Now I'm certain. You have been following this sport for about 4 years and believe that somehow nothing before matters in terms of legacy and prize fighting or how much they overlap. And in the minds of people like you, one is either a nuthugger or a hater.
In short you are a fucking pin head. I wont even bother to respond to tadpoles like you anymore who's sense of boxing history was last week and instead seek out real fucking dialogue and debate.
You sound as bitchy as Floyd. lolol...
You are a one trick pony. Stop fronting like you have any sense of boxing history you juvenile cunt.
EAD Flomo....
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Violent Demise
People say they don't wanna see Floyd rematch Alvarez. Yet they are pushing for a Thurman fight. Why? Cuz he beat Julio Diaz and Soto Karass? Thurman would have less success than Alvarez did
Is there talk of Floyd rematching Alvarez. I didn't hear that. In my mind I think it would be a tougher fight for Floyd now but in reality he would probably still have Alvarez swinging at air
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IamInuit
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Originally Posted by
Silkeyjoe
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
What does fighting Gurerro have to do with the flavour of the month in Thurman and this ridiculous notion that Floyd is ducking him? Robert beat the snot out of Berto and then followed it up with a waxing of Aydin and that's after jumping straight from 135. What has Thurman done save managing a win over Diego Chaves? and a couple of journeymen in Diaz and Karass. Have him beat Porter or challenge Brook.
Floyds a fight or two from ending his career.
Seriously get a grip!
Jesus lam i never took you for a nuthugger. Who deserves a shot then? Going from your description noone deserves a shot and whoever Floyd choses is the right choice. For the rest of us who enjoy the credibility of boxing we want to see the best fight the best and actually challenge themselves instead of watching one dimensional limited fights chase floyd around the ring like a kid trying to swat a fly. And did you not watch the Guerrero fight? Guerrero took as much shots as Berto did and was alot more damaged at the end of the fight. That fight clearly showed Guerrero was not at the level of Floyd
I've seen people take things out of context before but this is as fucking ridiculous as the notion that he's ducking Thurman.
Again why? Outside of pac I see 5 or 6 viable candidates to fight Floyd. Thurman is one of them. For some reason you and Floyd refuse to acknowledge his existence
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I agree with Floyd. Thurman nowhere near ready for him. I don't think Floyd is ducking at all, just being honest.
If he beats Andre Berto, he should get the fight.
that seems to be the criteria for fighting floyd
are them two fighting? berto and thurman?
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Silkeyjoe
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IamInuit
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Originally Posted by
Silkeyjoe
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
What does fighting Gurerro have to do with the flavour of the month in Thurman and this ridiculous notion that Floyd is ducking him? Robert beat the snot out of Berto and then followed it up with a waxing of Aydin and that's after jumping straight from 135. What has Thurman done save managing a win over Diego Chaves? and a couple of journeymen in Diaz and Karass. Have him beat Porter or challenge Brook.
Floyds a fight or two from ending his career.
Seriously get a grip!
Jesus lam i never took you for a nuthugger. Who deserves a shot then? Going from your description noone deserves a shot and whoever Floyd choses is the right choice. For the rest of us who enjoy the credibility of boxing we want to see the best fight the best and actually challenge themselves instead of watching one dimensional limited fights chase floyd around the ring like a kid trying to swat a fly. And did you not watch the Guerrero fight? Guerrero took as much shots as Berto did and was alot more damaged at the end of the fight. That fight clearly showed Guerrero was not at the level of Floyd
I've seen people take things out of context before but this is as fucking ridiculous as the notion that he's ducking Thurman.
Again why? Outside of pac I see 5 or 6 viable candidates to fight Floyd. Thurman is one of them. For some reason you and Floyd refuse to acknowledge his existence
I want one of Floyd's cherry picked opponents to kick his ass one day...
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I personally will throw a parade when Mayweather retires...but Thurman better slow his role and bone up on his basics before he even thinks Mayweather. Seriously, why are we so enamored with rushing guys into a career blender like they come with talent expiration dates ??? If Thurman is on a level of Floyd...cough cough...he'll take a gradual step up and shine and make a statement, if not he'll go the way of someone else previously sharing the "Floyd has to fight HIM" mantra...Shawn Porter :-\
Thurman is one fight...1...from being continually caught with right hands and having his legs buckle in the 1st round with Soto Karass. His answer was to stumble into the ropes with his hands down. Soto Karass at the start of a fight has the speed of a horse drawn carriage, and one going downhill when he warms up. Thurman has potential, charisma and the gift for gab and a willingness to engage. He needs work and to get off this tag line of "one shot-one time" blah and power beats all. Floyds a giant size arsehole with a little man complex, but right now he would time and tame Thurman like he does one of his Snufalufagus looking body guards.
