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Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
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One of them deliberately bent and broke the rules at every possible occasion in order to win.
The other used superior skills, talent and athleticism to dominate almost every opponent they faced over 18 years.
Who is the greater fighter... The cheater or the virtuoso?
Do you recall the Victor Oritz knockout by Mayweather? Hopkins is dirtier but Mayweather is far from clean.
That was a legit KO.
Ortiz deliberately fouled him, kissed him on the cheek, tapped gloves the ref told them to resume fighting.
Ortiz walked towards Floyd with his hands down.
Floyd KO'd him. Fair play. Not dirty.
Hahahahahah. I don't care if it was legal or not. It was the definition of a cheap shot.
Do you consider that a brilliant KO?
Watch it again: Ortiz is backing away with his gloves down and the ref isn't even looking at the fighters and not only does Floyd hit him once, he hits him twice.
Come on, man.
That wasn't a way to end a fight. It was utter crap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieJPRhlkVh4
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Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
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In what ways is Bernard Better than Floyd?
He fought everybody, most of them in their prime.
Floyd avoided many, or waited until they faded (Mosley was 40 when Floyd fought his, De La Hoya was past his best). Floyd fought a lot of clubfighters/fringe contenders like Ortiz, Mitchell, and Maidana.
actually floyd probably fought tougher opposition. bhop did clean out the MW division but most of the people he fought werent really that good. the fight that really put him over was against tito who was a welter. same with de la hoya. i would say that floyds best wins are better than hopkins best wins.
but its a joke of a thread anyways. floyd is a top 20 p4p of all time. bernard basically sealed his legacy because of his age. floyd sealed his with his greatness.
I would LOVE for you to explain how you think Floyd faced tougher competition. No way and it isn't even close. Floyd hasn't faced nearly as many top guys as Hop. It's not even close. That statement just completely overshadows any valid points you may have made.
so they have one common opponent and that is de la hoya. that wasnt an impressive win at all for bhop because i knew that de la hoya was way too small and was actually surprised that he did so well. mayweather did the opposite and went up in weight to fight him. and tito (who really made bhop a bigger name) was a one dimensional fighter who was very good at what he did but easily got outboxed (watch the de la hoya and winky fights). plus tito was a welter, not a middleweight.
those are probably his biggest wins along with probably tarver. most of his wins from tarver on were more impressive because of age instead of who they were against. for example, we were all impressed that he beat pascal, not because pascal is great but because bhop was old and did it convincingly (in their second fight at least). most of his wins at middleweight werent that impressive because his opposition wasnt great. look at the list of guys he fought and you will realize that no name really sticks out.
You conveniently leave out Pavlik, who was one of the most feared fighters at the time. You also fail to mention P4P king Roy Jones Jr, Joe Calzaghe and Kovalev who in my opinion are better P4P then anyone Floyd has fought. Im not argueing who was better I believe its Floyd but I cant see how anyone can think Floyd fought better opposition
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Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
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Hahahahahah. I don't care if it was legal or not. It was the definition of a cheap shot.
Do you consider that a brilliant KO?
Watch it again: Ortiz is backing away with his gloves down and the ref isn't even looking at the fighters and not only does Floyd hit him once, he hits him twice.
Come on, man.
That wasn't a way to end a fight. It was utter crap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieJPRhlkVh4
That's how you handle a bitch punk like Ortiz. He had tried to headbutt Floyd 3 different times over the course of the fight. That means all pleasantries are off. There's no cheap shot against a guy who deliberately fouls you in a attempt to injure you. Add to that the kiss on the cheek and the hugs Ortiz kept trying to give Floyd... I think it was the best ending possible. Ortiz just wanted out of the fight anyway. He's not a real fighter despite his natural talent.
Here's a video for you. Keith Kizer the executive director of the Nevada Athletic Commission explains how it was legal. He even mocks Ortiz. It begins at the 25 second mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPt9PodmaPQ
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Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
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You conveniently leave out Pavlik, who was one of the most feared fighters at the time. You also fail to mention P4P king Roy Jones Jr, Joe Calzaghe and Kovalev who in my opinion are better P4P then anyone Floyd has fought. Im not argueing who was better I believe its Floyd but I cant see how anyone can think Floyd fought better opposition
Kovalev better p4p than anyone Floyd has fought? Kovalev isn't even officially the #1 in his division right now, let alone a p4p great...
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Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
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ruthless rocco
Here's a video for you. Keith Kizer the executive director of the Nevada Athletic Commission explains how it was legal. He even mocks Ortiz. It begins at the 25 second mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPt9PodmaPQ
LOL@ Ortiz, "nobody lost tonight, I never lost in my mind" Hahaha, bro you got KTFO
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Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
IMO totally a subjective question, though fun to debate.
IMO Mayweather could be known as the most talented fighter of his era.
Hopkins will be known as the timeless wonder and the keeper of the MW title for eons.
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Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
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if Floyd is still beating up grown men who can be his kids on a championship level in 10 years then he can make a case for how good he is, until then
Ok well I guess by that criteria, Bernard Hopkins is the greatest fighter of all time, because there's no other fighter in history who has been so good at that age.
it's not true cause Foreman and Holyfield both beat up relevant guys much younger than him, but that's not the only thing, and not the only credential that B-Hop has that outshines Mayweathers
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it's not true cause Foreman and Holyfield both beat up relevant guys much younger than him, but that's not the only thing, and not the only credential that B-Hop has that outshines Mayweathers
Thats right, he also has a more impressive rap sheet than Floyd.
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Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
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You conveniently leave out Pavlik, who was one of the most feared fighters at the time. You also fail to mention P4P king Roy Jones Jr, Joe Calzaghe and Kovalev who in my opinion are better P4P then anyone Floyd has fought. Im not argueing who was better I believe its Floyd but I cant see how anyone can think Floyd fought better opposition
Kovalev better p4p than anyone Floyd has fought? Kovalev isn't even officially the #1 in his division right now, let alone a p4p great...
I didnt say he was a P4P great I just think he marks for Hopkins a better opponent then anyone Floyd has faced. Kov was likely a stone heavier than Hopkins on the night, a stellar amateur career and one of the most feared punchers. As someone mentioned earlier Hopkins fighting Kov is a similar ask to having Floyd fight GGG, a fight that I could never see Floyd taking. And I think anyone with some sense knows Kov is the best light heavyweight around
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Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.
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Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
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Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.
Klitschko due do size alone would probably handle Ali, doesn't make him a greater fighter, talent is only a part of what makes a fighter great, you can have all the talent in the world, but it's what you do with it that defines your legacy, who has gone above and beyond with the abilities they possess? B-Hop, there's a reason no one ever questions his run at either division, Floyd on the other hand...
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Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
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I didnt say he was a P4P great I just think he marks for Hopkins a better opponent then anyone Floyd has faced. Kov was likely a stone heavier than Hopkins on the night, a stellar amateur career and one of the most feared punchers. As someone mentioned earlier Hopkins fighting Kov is a similar ask to having Floyd fight GGG, a fight that I could never see Floyd taking. And I think anyone with some sense knows Kov is the best light heavyweight around
Yeah but Floyd has fought legit p4p greats, why does Kovalev constitute a better opponent than anyone Floyd has faced? Because he hits hard? A lot of guys hit hard. Canelo had more weight on Floyd on fight night than Kovalev had on Bhop, and Canelo was also the undisputed #1 at 154.
Also, someone please explain to me how Hopkins fighting Kovalev, a guy in the same fucking weight division as him and had 6-7 pounds on him on fight night is equal to Floyd fighting GGG, a guy who is TWO weight classes above him? Here's a tidbit: on the night of Golovkin's last fight, he weighed 173lbs. On the night of Floyd's last fight, he weighed 147. So someone please tell me how you can possibly equate those two?
Some people say the dumbest shit on these boards, man... yikes ;D
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Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
PBF stands to go into the history books with questioning at least the pac fight.
Hop has faced basically everyone he should've faced, win lose or draw, sooner or later.
Questioning who retired undefeated, may not matter if so..
Some may ask the question: Paul Williams & Margarito called out PBF, why didn't PBF answer?
He claimed to give a poll (for the fans to choose); Khan or Maidana (Khan won) PBF said (F) the fans...and chose who he wanted, Maidana.
Even though PBF fought Canelo when he hit 40 plus fights old...I remember PBF called out Canelo-when he was barely 25 fights old...he knew/felt their styles meshed and favored him.
Hop would even admit PBF is way more talented, but will history even care about it? Not as long as there are Floyd haters...go Haters!;D
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Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
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Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.
Klitschko due do size alone would probably handle Ali, doesn't make him a greater fighter, talent is only a part of what makes a fighter great, you can have all the talent in the world, but it's what you do with it that defines your legacy, who has gone above and beyond with the abilities they possess? B-Hop, there's a reason no one ever questions his run at either division, Floyd on the other hand...
True; theres two different ways to look at 'greatest fighter' put em both in the ring at the same weight in their prime see who comes out best.
Then as the title suggested by having the words 'who will be remembered' in there is the other way of looking at it;
But thats the harder road to summarize with so many variations, including totally different opponents and differing depth of talent in each weight.
Intent on ones own legacy is an interesting variant too.
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Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
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Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.
Klitschko due do size alone would probably handle Ali, doesn't make him a greater fighter, talent is only a part of what makes a fighter great, you can have all the talent in the world, but it's what you do with it that defines your legacy, who has gone above and beyond with the abilities they possess? B-Hop, there's a reason no one ever questions his run at either division, Floyd on the other hand...
True; theres two different ways to look at 'greatest fighter' put em both in the ring at the same weight in their prime see who comes out best.
Then as the title suggested by having the words 'who will be remembered' in there is the other way of looking at it;
But thats the harder road to summarize with so many variations, including totally different opponents and differing depth of talent in each weight.
Intent on ones own legacy is an interesting variant too.
true, but Mayweather was blessed to have not one but TWO stacked divisions where he could have stacked his resume, yet he chose to fight guys like Ortiz, Maidana, Guerrero
he could have taken on Pacquiao, Garcia, Khan, Bradley, Kirkland, Trout, Lara, etc.
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Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
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Andre
Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.
Klitschko due do size alone would probably handle Ali, doesn't make him a greater fighter, talent is only a part of what makes a fighter great, you can have all the talent in the world, but it's what you do with it that defines your legacy, who has gone above and beyond with the abilities they possess? B-Hop, there's a reason no one ever questions his run at either division, Floyd on the other hand...
True; theres two different ways to look at 'greatest fighter' put em both in the ring at the same weight in their prime see who comes out best.
Then as the title suggested by having the words 'who will be remembered' in there is the other way of looking at it;
But thats the harder road to summarize with so many variations, including totally different opponents and differing depth of talent in each weight.
Intent on ones own legacy is an interesting variant too.
true, but Mayweather was blessed to have not one but TWO stacked divisions where he could have stacked his resume, yet he chose to fight guys like Ortiz, Maidana, Guerrero
he could have taken on Pacquiao, Garcia, Khan, Bradley, Kirkland, Trout, Lara, etc.
lets take the floyd hating down a notch
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Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
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ElTerribleMorales
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Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.
Klitschko due do size alone would probably handle Ali, doesn't make him a greater fighter, talent is only a part of what makes a fighter great, you can have all the talent in the world, but it's what you do with it that defines your legacy, who has gone above and beyond with the abilities they possess? B-Hop, there's a reason no one ever questions his run at either division, Floyd on the other hand...
ali would easily beat wlad despite the size difference
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Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
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Some may ask the question: Paul Williams & Margarito called out PBF, why didn't PBF answer?
He claimed to give a poll (for the fans to choose); Khan or Maidana (Khan won) PBF said (F) the fans...and chose who he wanted, Maidana.
Even though PBF fought Canelo when he hit 40 plus fights old...I remember PBF called out Canelo-when he was barely 25 fights old...he knew/felt their styles meshed and favored him.
Yeah but there are reasons for all of those fights not happening, reasons that people forget or want to ignore.
And of course in Khan's case, he wanted the Khan fight and got skewered - and rightfully so - by boxing fans for taking an easy opponent.
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Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
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I didnt say he was a P4P great I just think he marks for Hopkins a better opponent then anyone Floyd has faced. Kov was likely a stone heavier than Hopkins on the night, a stellar amateur career and one of the most feared punchers. As someone mentioned earlier Hopkins fighting Kov is a similar ask to having Floyd fight GGG, a fight that I could never see Floyd taking. And I think anyone with some sense knows Kov is the best light heavyweight around
Yeah but Floyd has fought legit p4p greats, why does Kovalev constitute a better opponent than anyone Floyd has faced? Because he hits hard? A lot of guys hit hard. Canelo had more weight on Floyd on fight night than Kovalev had on Bhop, and Canelo was also the undisputed #1 at 154.
Also, someone please explain to me how Hopkins fighting Kovalev, a guy in the same fucking weight division as him and had 6-7 pounds on him on fight night is equal to Floyd fighting GGG, a guy who is TWO weight classes above him? Here's a tidbit: on the night of Golovkin's last fight, he weighed 173lbs. On the night of Floyd's last fight, he weighed 147. So someone please tell me how you can possibly equate those two?
Some people say the dumbest shit on these boards, man... yikes ;D
who are the legit P4P greats? A past it De La Hoya? A shot Mosely? A thrice beaten Cotto? All future P4P greats but certainly not dangerous fighters at the time they fought Floyd. Ive already explained why Kov is more dangerous then anyone Floyds faced.
A. He had a stellar amateur career and is a brilliant boxing technician.
B. He is one of the hardest hitters P4P
C. He is in his prime.
D. Hes a bigger man.
Most of Floyds opponents have some of the above but I cant find any where all is applicable.
Also I didnt know there was 2 weight classes between Light middle and middleweight???but I guess Im just a forum poster who says the dumbest shit
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Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
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Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.
Klitschko due do size alone would probably handle Ali, doesn't make him a greater fighter, talent is only a part of what makes a fighter great, you can have all the talent in the world, but it's what you do with it that defines your legacy, who has gone above and beyond with the abilities they possess? B-Hop, there's a reason no one ever questions his run at either division, Floyd on the other hand...
True; theres two different ways to look at 'greatest fighter' put em both in the ring at the same weight in their prime see who comes out best.
Then as the title suggested by having the words 'who will be remembered' in there is the other way of looking at it;
But thats the harder road to summarize with so many variations, including totally different opponents and differing depth of talent in each weight.
Intent on ones own legacy is an interesting variant too.
true, but Mayweather was blessed to have not one but TWO stacked divisions where he could have stacked his resume, yet he chose to fight guys like Ortiz, Maidana, Guerrero
he could have taken on Pacquiao, Garcia, Khan, Bradley, Kirkland, Trout, Lara, etc.
lets take the floyd hating down a notch
no hating, just stating facts, 8 out of 10 times he'll fight someone safe rather than a real challenge, IMO the two times where he really took a risk was Canelo and Cotto, everything else has pretty much safe, he's constantly picked the less meaningful fight despite having at one point two stacked divisions at his disposal
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Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
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Andre
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ElTerribleMorales
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Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.
Klitschko due do size alone would probably handle Ali, doesn't make him a greater fighter, talent is only a part of what makes a fighter great, you can have all the talent in the world, but it's what you do with it that defines your legacy, who has gone above and beyond with the abilities they possess? B-Hop, there's a reason no one ever questions his run at either division, Floyd on the other hand...
True; theres two different ways to look at 'greatest fighter' put em both in the ring at the same weight in their prime see who comes out best.
Then as the title suggested by having the words 'who will be remembered' in there is the other way of looking at it;
But thats the harder road to summarize with so many variations, including totally different opponents and differing depth of talent in each weight.
Intent on ones own legacy is an interesting variant too.
true, but Mayweather was blessed to have not one but TWO stacked divisions where he could have stacked his resume, yet he chose to fight guys like Ortiz, Maidana, Guerrero
he could have taken on Pacquiao, Garcia, Khan, Bradley, Kirkland, Trout, Lara, etc.
I just name a few, but you put it out there like its' supposed to be.
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Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
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Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.
Klitschko due do size alone would probably handle Ali, doesn't make him a greater fighter, talent is only a part of what makes a fighter great, you can have all the talent in the world, but it's what you do with it that defines your legacy, who has gone above and beyond with the abilities they possess? B-Hop, there's a reason no one ever questions his run at either division, Floyd on the other hand...
True; theres two different ways to look at 'greatest fighter' put em both in the ring at the same weight in their prime see who comes out best.
Then as the title suggested by having the words 'who will be remembered' in there is the other way of looking at it;
But thats the harder road to summarize with so many variations, including totally different opponents and differing depth of talent in each weight.
Intent on ones own legacy is an interesting variant too.
true, but Mayweather was blessed to have not one but TWO stacked divisions where he could have stacked his resume, yet he chose to fight guys like Ortiz, Maidana, Guerrero
he could have taken on Pacquiao, Garcia, Khan, Bradley, Kirkland, Trout, Lara, etc.
lets take the floyd hating down a notch
no hating, just stating facts, 8 out of 10 times he'll fight someone safe rather than a real challenge, IMO the two times where he really took a risk was Canelo and Cotto, everything else has pretty much safe, he's constantly picked the less meaningful fight despite having at one point two stacked divisions at his disposal
While I agree, he seems to choose certain styles, I don't think Floyd is afraid by any means. Bar Pac - he wouldn't choose the latter fo $$$ reasons. But I admit I am baffled by his refusal to fight Pacman.
It's kind of a disgrace to see JMM, Bradley, Cotto, Rios all fight Pac without the test, & not a guy who has fought at 154lbs with skills and talent up the wazoo.:-\
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Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
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Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.
Klitschko due do size alone would probably handle Ali, doesn't make him a greater fighter, talent is only a part of what makes a fighter great, you can have all the talent in the world, but it's what you do with it that defines your legacy, who has gone above and beyond with the abilities they possess? B-Hop, there's a reason no one ever questions his run at either division, Floyd on the other hand...
True; theres two different ways to look at 'greatest fighter' put em both in the ring at the same weight in their prime see who comes out best.
Then as the title suggested by having the words 'who will be remembered' in there is the other way of looking at it;
But thats the harder road to summarize with so many variations, including totally different opponents and differing depth of talent in each weight.
Intent on ones own legacy is an interesting variant too.
true, but Mayweather was blessed to have not one but TWO stacked divisions where he could have stacked his resume, yet he chose to fight guys like Ortiz, Maidana, Guerrero
he could have taken on Pacquiao, Garcia, Khan, Bradley, Kirkland, Trout, Lara, etc.
lets take the floyd hating down a notch
no hating, just stating facts, 8 out of 10 times he'll fight someone safe rather than a real challenge, IMO the two times where he really took a risk was Canelo and Cotto, everything else has pretty much safe, he's constantly picked the less meaningful fight despite having at one point two stacked divisions at his disposal
Other than Pac, anybody who Floyd chooses to fight will be disputed. You can say that he should have fought other fighters instead of the ones he fought but then it could easily be said that he ducked them. As long as he's not fighting people like Rios and algeri then I'm alright.
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Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.
Klitschko due do size alone would probably handle Ali, doesn't make him a greater fighter, talent is only a part of what makes a fighter great, you can have all the talent in the world, but it's what you do with it that defines your legacy, who has gone above and beyond with the abilities they possess? B-Hop, there's a reason no one ever questions his run at either division, Floyd on the other hand...
True; theres two different ways to look at 'greatest fighter' put em both in the ring at the same weight in their prime see who comes out best.
Then as the title suggested by having the words 'who will be remembered' in there is the other way of looking at it;
But thats the harder road to summarize with so many variations, including totally different opponents and differing depth of talent in each weight.
Intent on ones own legacy is an interesting variant too.
true, but Mayweather was blessed to have not one but TWO stacked divisions where he could have stacked his resume, yet he chose to fight guys like Ortiz, Maidana, Guerrero
he could have taken on Pacquiao, Garcia, Khan, Bradley, Kirkland, Trout, Lara, etc.
lets take the floyd hating down a notch
no hating, just stating facts, 8 out of 10 times he'll fight someone safe rather than a real challenge, IMO the two times where he really took a risk was Canelo and Cotto, everything else has pretty much safe, he's constantly picked the less meaningful fight despite having at one point two stacked divisions at his disposal
Other than Pac, anybody who Floyd chooses to fight will be disputed. You can say that he should have fought other fighters instead of the ones he fought but then it could easily be said that he ducked them. As long as he's not fighting people like Rios and algeri then I'm alright.
Maidana and Guerrero are not so different from Rios and Algeri. People are always seeking to shut down debate where Floyd is concerned as though any remark or reflection on his legacy or choice of opponent is a slight. For some, and I am not talking about you, the hypersensitivity is very reaveling in and of its self. Barring Ali most greats have not declared themselves "The Best Ever", so scrutiny should be welcomed not forbidden. If his record is so stellar and his ability so unrivalled it should be obvious and above reproach. The guy is an undoubted Great but TBE is a whole other kettle of fish.
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Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
in the past few years, i havent had a problem with floyds selection of opponents. they have all had at least a semi legitimate reason to get the shot. again, no matter what, people will always hate on his choice of opponents no matter who they are because there will always be somebody better that he could have fought.
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Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
how about this
in the next 20 years floyd will be remembered better, as in he was unbeatable at and around his weight
in 100 years it will be hopkins who will be remembered better
there will be more than one man who is at floyds level but will there ever be another hopkins
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Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.
Klitschko due do size alone would probably handle Ali, doesn't make him a greater fighter, talent is only a part of what makes a fighter great, you can have all the talent in the world, but it's what you do with it that defines your legacy, who has gone above and beyond with the abilities they possess? B-Hop, there's a reason no one ever questions his run at either division, Floyd on the other hand...
True; theres two different ways to look at 'greatest fighter' put em both in the ring at the same weight in their prime see who comes out best.
Then as the title suggested by having the words 'who will be remembered' in there is the other way of looking at it;
But thats the harder road to summarize with so many variations, including totally different opponents and differing depth of talent in each weight.
Intent on ones own legacy is an interesting variant too.
true, but Mayweather was blessed to have not one but TWO stacked divisions where he could have stacked his resume, yet he chose to fight guys like Ortiz, Maidana, Guerrero
he could have taken on Pacquiao, Garcia, Khan, Bradley, Kirkland, Trout, Lara, etc.
lets take the floyd hating down a notch
no hating, just stating facts, 8 out of 10 times he'll fight someone safe rather than a real challenge, IMO the two times where he really took a risk was Canelo and Cotto, everything else has pretty much safe, he's constantly picked the less meaningful fight despite having at one point two stacked divisions at his disposal
Other than Pac, anybody who Floyd chooses to fight will be disputed. You can say that he should have fought other fighters instead of the ones he fought but then it could easily be said that he ducked them. As long as he's not fighting people like Rios and algeri then I'm alright.
thing is Guerrero, Ortiz, and Maidana are all on that level of Rios and Algieri, the two standouts would be Maidana and Algieri seeing how both have/had come off big wins, Maidana-Broner and Algieri-Provodnikov, but yea Rios is on the same level as Guerrero and Ortiz, and it's not like I'm giving Pacquiao a standing ovation for those choices either
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Maidana is definitely not in the same boat as algeri. Algeri beat Provo. That's it. Maidana has fought and beat good fighters over the years. There's no comparison. And Rios had just come off a loss to Alvarado fighting Pac while guerrero had two solid wins to earn himself a shot. So no, the comparisons are not valid.
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Yeah, that really isn't a valid comparison at all. Anyone who compares Maidana and Guerrero to Rios and Algeiri are REALLY reaching, haha.
The Algeiri fight reminds me of Floyd's fight with Baldomir: both fights were opportunistic by Floyd and Manny, as you had an unknown and inferior fighter pull off a big upset and grab a title. On paper, both opponents had no chance.
The big difference is, at least Baldomir was the undisputed WW champion after beating Judah, making him technically ranked higher than Mayweather at WW at the time of the fight.
Algeiri managed to grab a trinket, but is far from the #1 140lber in the world, so technically even the Baldomir fight was better than this one.
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who are the legit P4P greats? A past it De La Hoya? A shot Mosely? A thrice beaten Cotto? All future P4P greats but certainly not dangerous fighters at the time they fought Floyd. Ive already explained why Kov is more dangerous then anyone Floyds faced.
A. He had a stellar amateur career and is a brilliant boxing technician.
B. He is one of the hardest hitters P4P
C. He is in his prime.
D. Hes a bigger man.
Most of Floyds opponents have some of the above but I cant find any where all is applicable.
Also I didnt know there was 2 weight classes between Light middle and middleweight???but I guess Im just a forum poster who says the dumbest shit
Yeah that is some pretty dumb shit.
For the record though, Mosley was #3 p4p at the time when Floyd fought him, below only Floyd himself and Pacquiao. He was also ranked, at that time, higher than he had been since losing back to back to Vernon Forrest.
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thing is Guerrero, Ortiz, and Maidana are all on that level of Rios and Algieri, the two standouts would be Maidana and Algieri seeing how both have/had come off big wins, Maidana-Broner and Algieri-Provodnikov, but yea Rios is on the same level as Guerrero and Ortiz, and it's not like I'm giving Pacquiao a standing ovation for those choices either
HahahahaHA!
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Manny has been knocked out brutally by JMM so has had easy fights to get him back. His opposition is poor since his defeat and there is no getting away from that. However he is the second best welterweight in the world so the fight with Floyd can still be made. Even if he has little chance of winning. It is still makeable.
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Manny has been knocked out brutally by JMM so has had easy fights to get him back. His opposition is poor since his defeat and there is no getting away from that. However he is the second best welterweight in the world so the fight with Floyd can still be made. Even if he has little chance of winning. It is still makeable.
How in the world can an undefeated, p4p #3 ranked Bradley be considered "poor opposition"???? That is just crazy to suggest. Insane. Bradley is a much better win than ANYONE Floyd has beaten in YEARS. The bias and blinders that people have for Floyd is just insane.
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Manny has been knocked out brutally by JMM so has had easy fights to get him back. His opposition is poor since his defeat and there is no getting away from that. However he is the second best welterweight in the world so the fight with Floyd can still be made. Even if he has little chance of winning. It is still makeable.
How in the world can an undefeated, p4p #3 ranked Bradley be considered "poor opposition"???? That is just crazy to suggest. Insane. Bradley is a much better win than ANYONE Floyd has beaten in YEARS. The bias and blinders that people have for Floyd is just insane.
In his defense, when Pac fought Bradley the second time, he was not the #3 p4p guy in the world.
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Manny has been knocked out brutally by JMM so has had easy fights to get him back. His opposition is poor since his defeat and there is no getting away from that. However he is the second best welterweight in the world so the fight with Floyd can still be made. Even if he has little chance of winning. It is still makeable.
How in the world can an undefeated, p4p #3 ranked Bradley be considered "poor opposition"???? That is just crazy to suggest. Insane. Bradley is a much better win than ANYONE Floyd has beaten in YEARS. The bias and blinders that people have for Floyd is just insane.
In his defense, when Pac fought Bradley the second time, he was not the #3 p4p guy in the world.
Yes he was, he had beaten Pac n JMM n Prod. He was ranked behind Floyd n Ward.
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The Bradley fight was a great win for Pac, there's no doubt about it.
I can see him picking Rios for a comeback fight, he had just been KTFO and wanted to get in and get his confidence back against a patsy, I get that.
But for him to go from fighting Bradley to fighting Algeira at welterweight is inexcusable.
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powerpuncher
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mikeeod
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Master
Manny has been knocked out brutally by JMM so has had easy fights to get him back. His opposition is poor since his defeat and there is no getting away from that. However he is the second best welterweight in the world so the fight with Floyd can still be made. Even if he has little chance of winning. It is still makeable.
How in the world can an undefeated, p4p #3 ranked Bradley be considered "poor opposition"???? That is just crazy to suggest. Insane. Bradley is a much better win than ANYONE Floyd has beaten in YEARS. The bias and blinders that people have for Floyd is just insane.
In his defense, when Pac fought Bradley the second time, he was not the #3 p4p guy in the world.
Yes he was, he had beaten Pac n JMM n Prod. He was ranked behind Floyd n Ward.
according to who? You?
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powerpuncher
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powerpuncher
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Manny has been knocked out brutally by JMM so has had easy fights to get him back. His opposition is poor since his defeat and there is no getting away from that. However he is the second best welterweight in the world so the fight with Floyd can still be made. Even if he has little chance of winning. It is still makeable.
How in the world can an undefeated, p4p #3 ranked Bradley be considered "poor opposition"???? That is just crazy to suggest. Insane. Bradley is a much better win than ANYONE Floyd has beaten in YEARS. The bias and blinders that people have for Floyd is just insane.
In his defense, when Pac fought Bradley the second time, he was not the #3 p4p guy in the world.
Yes he was, he had beaten Pac n JMM n Prod. He was ranked behind Floyd n Ward.
according to who? You?
Yes, and Ring magazine.
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Ring Magazine... Owned by Golden Boy. An honest, credible publication if there ever was one.
Ring Magazine Scandal - BoxRec
Let's not forget Ring Magazine put Broner at #6 P4P last year. Broner is promoted by Golden Boy.
Ring Magazine has Andre ward as #2 P4P despite not having fought in 1 year and only twice in the last 2.8 years
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powerpuncher
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powerpuncher
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Manny has been knocked out brutally by JMM so has had easy fights to get him back. His opposition is poor since his defeat and there is no getting away from that. However he is the second best welterweight in the world so the fight with Floyd can still be made. Even if he has little chance of winning. It is still makeable.
How in the world can an undefeated, p4p #3 ranked Bradley be considered "poor opposition"???? That is just crazy to suggest. Insane. Bradley is a much better win than ANYONE Floyd has beaten in YEARS. The bias and blinders that people have for Floyd is just insane.
In his defense, when Pac fought Bradley the second time, he was not the #3 p4p guy in the world.
Yes he was, he had beaten Pac n JMM n Prod. He was ranked behind Floyd n Ward.
according to who? You?
Yes, and Ring magazine.
I don't remember that being true. I'd have to have proof. Either way though, he in no way deserved that ranking.
