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Re: David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast
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Max Power
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Originally Posted by
ross
The fact is, Hayes whole heavyweight career is just a mirage.
Holyfield looked more convincing against Valuev than Haye did. Catching him with one shot in the last round does not win a fight.
Chisora had 3 losses and his first was to Tyson;D the credit he gets here is because Chisora was the only fighter he fought that was younger than him (at heavy). Like I said and like everyone knows there were plenty of other fights out there to be made rather than ripping everyone off against Harrison, Ruiz and Barrett (who dropped Haye;D).
His fight against Wlad was over 3 years ago! He wont have improved. He looked like shit before Chisora gave him his chin on a plate. Contrast that to the man who beat him easily looking his sharpest in his last fight against supposedly the next best in the division. The kind of fighter Haye would have avoided.
I remember a few gullible people jumping on Hayes retirement bandwagon and me saying those same people will all be mugs and get taken in by him again and totally ignore the way he avoided and still does a Fury fight. Hes been asked a few times and gives no credible reply, saying crap like he doesnt deserve a pay day (why sign in the first place?) and not until he beats Wlad. When Fury beats Wlad Haye will sulk like fuck because Fury would have blown Hayes career out of the water;D
The fact is that Haye could not chance and then live with a loss to Fury as it makes his career look shit because the general consensus which is false is that Fury is crap. He saw what I see. That Tyson is huge, can move, has excellent stamina and can punch and is going to be a difficult animal to beat. It was a gamble that he was going to catch him before he started tiring or got caught himself. It was and still is, too much of a risk to his legacy.
Listen mate, David Haye, at 210 or so lbs, rocked up to the HW division and was out-talled and out-weighed massively! His opponents were good fighters too. And he WASTED them.
Funny, I never seen Holyfield start whacking around all the giant boxers like HE was the big guy!
Nobody has produced the kind of performances like David Haye has ever from Cruiser. He carried his punch like no other, and is in effect, among the fastest and most slickest HW's of all time!
That is a fact^^ undeniable even if you hate him.
Are you joking?
Who were these amazing heavyweights Haye beat?;D
The 46 year old Holyfield looked better against Valuev than Haye did!!;D
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Re: David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast
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Andre
How many you want? Just one? Tyson; but you'll have to add harder hitting more flexible and ambidextrous to your list as well.
Don't forget takes a better punch and beat 3 defending champions, the lineal champ, defended the unified belts 6 times as the undisputed champ (not done since).
Hayes heavyweight run while ok as he did win a belt does nothing in all time standings and if he is so great in such a poor division he should be up there but the fold hard reality is he has really achieved fuck all at heavy. How many fighters over the last 20 years can say they won a heavyweight title? Loads!!
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Re: David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast
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Andre
How many you want? Just one? Tyson; but you'll have to add harder hitting more flexible and ambidextrous to your list as well.
Tyson was a very fast HW and comparable to Haye.
He is not faster though. But probably one of the closest.
Other choices would be Chris Byrd and Eddie Chambers, but they are featherfists.
You are right that Tyson combined other features more desirable that Haye doesn't have, but I wasn't considering other features.
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Re: David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast
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ross
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Andre
How many you want? Just one? Tyson; but you'll have to add harder hitting more flexible and ambidextrous to your list as well.
Don't forget takes a better punch and beat 3 defending champions, the lineal champ, defended the unified belts 6 times as the undisputed champ (not done since).
Hayes heavyweight run while ok as he did win a belt does nothing in all time standings and if he is so great in such a poor division he should be up there but the fold hard reality is he has really achieved fuck all at heavy. How many fighters over the last 20 years can say they won a heavyweight title? Loads!!
I agree with your post in full ross.
Like I said, Tyson has other features I wasn't considering. And yes, I don't MEAN to overrate Haye's achievements. But I will acknowledge them for what they are.
A problem on all these forums, is that you can either SLAM a boxers achievements or totally exaggerate it. But if you try to take the middle road and look at them objectively, you get scalded from both sides of the fence! :rolleyes:
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Re: David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast
Well thank God for that.
I thought Id slept through Christmas and woke up on Aprils fools day for a second there. :)
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Re: David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast
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Max Power
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ross
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Whether you like haye or not he is still one of the best three heavyweights in the world today.
Now get back in the ring and start making history..
You lot will never learn...
How many fights has he had scheduled over the last 2.5 years and how many has he won?
;D
Don't be stupid, he smashed up the HW division when he arrived and only lost to bloody Klitschko by UD.
The only reason we even still consider Fury a viable threat today is because of the GIFT withdrawal from Haye. Fury has Haye to thank for his continued marketability.
Smashed up the division!!
Who has he beaten at heavy?
The only decent fighter he had beaten at heavy was Chisora. Thats it. The same fighter Fury has been criticised for rematching. Oh! Why did he have to resort to rematching Chisora? Who pulled out twice against Fury?
Haye had loads of top matches he could have fought at heavy like Adamek, Arreola, Chambers, Povetkin, Chagaev, Peter etc, etc.
Hes not even been THE heavyweight champion, something you would think you should do if you want to "smash" the division. The closest chance he had he lost every roumd and was warned for crawling on the floor;D
Also, Haye is lucky he didn't go through with the Tyson fight as he would be proper retired instead of ambiguously talking about retirement and being quiet until the dust had settled.[/QU
Sorry. but I thought Haye won the WBA title at heavyweight?
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Re: David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast
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Originally Posted by
ross
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Originally Posted by
Max Power
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ross
The fact is, Hayes whole heavyweight career is just a mirage.
Holyfield looked more convincing against Valuev than Haye did. Catching him with one shot in the last round does not win a fight.
Chisora had 3 losses and his first was to Tyson;D the credit he gets here is because Chisora was the only fighter he fought that was younger than him (at heavy). Like I said and like everyone knows there were plenty of other fights out there to be made rather than ripping everyone off against Harrison, Ruiz and Barrett (who dropped Haye;D).
His fight against Wlad was over 3 years ago! He wont have improved. He looked like shit before Chisora gave him his chin on a plate. Contrast that to the man who beat him easily looking his sharpest in his last fight against supposedly the next best in the division. The kind of fighter Haye would have avoided.
I remember a few gullible people jumping on Hayes retirement bandwagon and me saying those same people will all be mugs and get taken in by him again and totally ignore the way he avoided and still does a Fury fight. Hes been asked a few times and gives no credible reply, saying crap like he doesnt deserve a pay day (why sign in the first place?) and not until he beats Wlad. When Fury beats Wlad Haye will sulk like fuck because Fury would have blown Hayes career out of the water;D
The fact is that Haye could not chance and then live with a loss to Fury as it makes his career look shit because the general consensus which is false is that Fury is crap. He saw what I see. That Tyson is huge, can move, has excellent stamina and can punch and is going to be a difficult animal to beat. It was a gamble that he was going to catch him before he started tiring or got caught himself. It was and still is, too much of a risk to his legacy.
Listen mate, David Haye, at 210 or so lbs, rocked up to the HW division and was out-talled and out-weighed massively! His opponents were good fighters too. And he WASTED them.
Funny, I never seen Holyfield start whacking around all the giant boxers like HE was the big guy!
Nobody has produced the kind of performances like David Haye has ever from Cruiser. He carried his punch like no other, and is in effect, among the fastest and most slickest HW's of all time!
That is a fact^^ undeniable even if you hate him.
Are you joking?
Who were these amazing heavyweights Haye beat?;D
The 46 year old Holyfield looked better against Valuev than Haye did!!;D
I seen both fights, objectively that isn't the case. Holyfield lost a decision in a fairly even fight that could have been a draw. Haye clearly beat Valuev.
Monte Barrett 6'3" 226lbs 34-6
Nikolai Valuev 7'0" 316lbs 50-1
John Ruiz 6'2" 231lbs 44-8
Audley Harrison 6'6" 254lbs 27-4
Dereck Chisora 6'2" 247lbs 15-3
All were knocked out except Valuev, the one with the best record, the champion and the greatest weight difference in any championship boxing match of all time.
All of them were solid opponents with non-bummy records and much bigger than Haye and with far more HW experience.
No other boxer has ever stepped up to the HW division and beaten/KOed this class and calibre of opposition except Holyfield!
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Re: David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast
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ross
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AdamGB
Nobody in their forties then @
ross? Didn't think so.
With every point you make, you're essentially calling Fury shite:
You say Haye only fights older heavyweights - Fury's best win is against an older man and cruiserweight at that.
You say Haye was knocked down by Monte Barrett - He slipped on an advertisement card, but that's besides the point... An older cruiserweight floored fury.
You diminish Haye knocking out Chisora in 5 rounds - it took Fury twice as long as a cruiserweight to finish off his own left overs in luke warm fashion, despite enjoying a considerable height and reach advantage.
You criticise Haye for not fighting people younger than him - Haye has given up weight/height/reach in several bouts... Pretty much everything but age...
name a young, even average fighter that Fury has fought were he hasn't enjoyed a considerable height and reach advantage? When is he going to step up and fight somebody closer in size like Wach? We've yet to see him use his boxing ability when his size advantage has been removed or even diminished.
You can justifiably think little of Haye, but at least be consistent and unbiased and apply your own standards to Fury as well. :rolleyes:
Wach is utter shite.
When the Chisora rematch was announced it was a chance for Chisora to prove it was because he wasn't in shape last time, that it was all down to his weight.
Haye had to throw caution to the wind to stop Chisora as he was blowing out his ass and getting bulled around. Tyson didn't break a sweat and had Chisora under control. He could have stopped him in the first, he had the legs going from the first left hook he threw. He stood off because they wanted and needed rounds. Thats how good Fury is. He can make easy work of Hayes best win;D
Oh do stop being so silly, or lay off the wallop
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Re: David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast
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ross
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Andre
How many you want? Just one? Tyson; but you'll have to add harder hitting more flexible and ambidextrous to your list as well.
Don't forget takes a better punch and beat 3 defending champions, the lineal champ, defended the unified belts 6 times as the undisputed champ (not done since).
Hayes heavyweight run while ok as he did win a belt does nothing in all time standings and if he is so great in such a poor division he should be up there but the fold hard reality is he has really achieved fuck all at heavy. How many fighters over the last 20 years can say they won a heavyweight title? Loads!!
Joe Bugner?
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Re: David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast
Haye fans live in a dream world where Haye is an active current boxer who goes through with fights;D
Wake up!
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Re: David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast
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ross
Haye fans live in a dream world where Haye is an active current boxer who goes through with fights;D
Wake up!
I don't specifically consider myself a Haye fan, more a fan of great boxing.
Haye is not currently an active boxer, until he fights again, nobody can claim that. The claim is that, given his shoulder holds up, if he came back odds are he could still produce.
Haye is now notorious for pulling out of fights, true. Injuries are the usual case as is evidenced. You could say Haye is injury prone. Considering Haye uses weights and is a high agile and athletic fighter, it should come as no surprise.
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Re: David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast
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ross
Haye fans live in a dream world where Haye is an active current boxer who goes through with fights;D
Wake up!
The irony of a Fury fanboy telling people to wake up... ;D
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Re: David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast
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Max Power
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ross
Haye fans live in a dream world where Haye is an active current boxer who goes through with fights;D
Wake up!
I don't specifically consider myself a Haye fan,
more a fan of great boxing.
If thats true, you need to watch more from the lesser weights and leave this plodding easy to watch grab and shuffle shit to the general public who can only in see in a certain speed.:)
Not many heavys just go at it hammer and tong like the top lesser weights do, you may get a round or so out of some ,but nothing like the good old days of out to kill and cat mouse boxing that did exist once in the weight.
Its nearly on par with watching golf , cant see the attraction myself.;D
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Re: David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast
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AdamGB
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Originally Posted by
ross
Haye fans live in a dream world where Haye is an active current boxer who goes through with fights;D
Wake up!
The irony of a Fury fanboy telling people to wake up... ;D
If it wasn't for Haye, Tyson would have faced Pulev. I think he would have beaten him and then potentially have faced Wlad. If you think Pulev would have beaten Tyson you only have Haye to blame for agreeing to fight him.
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Can you all stop pretending Haye was a heavyweight champion please?!
Valuev never should have had that belt, it wasn't his. Then he lost the belt and that corrupt organization GAVE it back to him. He did not DESERVE it again. Then he lost it to a washed up Evan Fields but the judges GAVE it back to Valuev undeserved again.
There are 3 reasons that trinket wasn't Valuevs to lose to Haye to begin with.
The history books may record him as a trinket holder but that man did not win any championship from any champion. Because Valuev was 3 times removed from being a champion.
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Re: David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast
The guy has fought six times in the last six years, getting a title shot in only his 2nd fight at HW. He will only consider fighting a Klitschko..... embarrassed himself in his only shot against Wlad after talking tons of shit...... and pulls out (of fights) more often than a prematurely ejaculating teenager.
Seriously......
Who gives a shit what he had for breakfast or what he has to say to Vitali??
Save it for the gossip column.
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Re: David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast
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Andre
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Originally Posted by
Max Power
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ross
Haye fans live in a dream world where Haye is an active current boxer who goes through with fights;D
Wake up!
I don't specifically consider myself a Haye fan,
more a fan of great boxing.
If thats true, you need to watch more from the lesser weights and leave this plodding easy to watch grab and shuffle shit to the general public who can only in see in a certain speed.:)
Not many heavys just go at it hammer and tong like the top lesser weights do, you may get a round or so out of some ,but nothing like the good old days of out to kill and cat mouse boxing that did exist once in the weight.
Its nearly on par with watching golf , cant see the attraction myself.;D
Basically you have just admitted that Heavyweight boxing is a more cautious and more defence aware endeavour now and that previous HW division were punch bags mainly.
Harder punches, make for higher tension.
I do like lower weight boxing as well. But nothing quite holds the same suspense as HW boxing. You can almost FEEL the punches, and something dramatic can happen at any moment.
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Re: David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast
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ross
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Originally Posted by
AdamGB
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ross
Haye fans live in a dream world where Haye is an active current boxer who goes through with fights;D
Wake up!
The irony of a Fury fanboy telling people to wake up... ;D
If it wasn't for Haye, Tyson would have faced Pulev. I think he would have beaten him and then potentially have faced Wlad. If you think Pulev would have beaten Tyson you only have Haye to blame for agreeing to fight him.
Ross you based a lot of you arguments on what " you think would have happened " , when in actual fact none of it has.
Yes Haye is a cunt but just because people don't agree with you on fury doesn't make them Haye fans.
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Re: David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast
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smashup
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ross
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AdamGB
Nobody in their forties then @
ross? Didn't think so.
With every point you make, you're essentially calling Fury shite:
You say Haye only fights older heavyweights - Fury's best win is against an older man and cruiserweight at that.
You say Haye was knocked down by Monte Barrett - He slipped on an advertisement card, but that's besides the point... An older cruiserweight floored fury.
You diminish Haye knocking out Chisora in 5 rounds - it took Fury twice as long as a cruiserweight to finish off his own left overs in luke warm fashion, despite enjoying a considerable height and reach advantage.
You criticise Haye for not fighting people younger than him - Haye has given up weight/height/reach in several bouts... Pretty much everything but age...
name a young, even average fighter that Fury has fought were he hasn't enjoyed a considerable height and reach advantage? When is he going to step up and fight somebody closer in size like Wach? We've yet to see him use his boxing ability when his size advantage has been removed or even diminished.
You can justifiably think little of Haye, but at least be consistent and unbiased and apply your own standards to Fury as well. :rolleyes:
Wach is utter shite.
When the Chisora rematch was announced it was a chance for Chisora to prove it was because he wasn't in shape last time, that it was all down to his weight.
Haye had to throw caution to the wind to stop Chisora as he was blowing out his ass and getting bulled around. Tyson didn't break a sweat and had Chisora under control. He could have stopped him in the first, he had the legs going from the first left hook he threw. He stood off because they wanted and needed rounds. Thats how good Fury is. He can make easy work of Hayes best win;D
Winning the Heavyweight title was his best win at the weight Ross.
The facts are that Haye is Box Office and fighters like Fury simply are not and never will be because Fury doesn't entertain when he's in the ring intact he's boring to watch unless he's being interviewed.
Haye knocks people out on a regular basis which is what people love in the Heavyweight division.
It's all a Business Ross.... have you not worked that out yet? ;D
This is why an inactive fighter like Haye has everyone talking about him on the back of a photograph of him having Breakfast with Vitali :)
He still brings enough money to any fight where he can simply leapfrog the entire division (good thing or bad thing for boxing?) and get straight back into the mix with any top Heavyweight.
Not true. You are underestimating Tyson.
Floyd Mayweather is the biggest draw in boxing now but didnt become a pay per view fighter until his 17th world championship fight!! He wasnt a draw. His first pay per view was against Gatti. The fight before that, he faced Bruseles and only 4000 people attended that fight.
Tyson is yet to fight for a world championship and has already had 2 pay per views build around him only to fall apart due to the opponent pulling out twice. That pay per view would not have happened without Tyson. Not that a pay per view is indicative of the quality of a fight when you look at the shit Hearn produces. Over 18,000 bought tickets to watch a show Tyson headlined. Thats a big difference to Floyds 4000 in his 17 world championship fight.
My point is, Tyson is only 26. Give him the right opponent that isnt so, so easy to outbox and he already has the exposure and potential to be massive.
In fact, I think Hayes first pay per view fight wasnt until Valuev?
Every heavyweight interviewed in America calls Tyson out. His name is growing before hes even got on the world stage. He has the potential to be absolutely huge!
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Re: David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast
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Max Power
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Originally Posted by
Andre
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Originally Posted by
Max Power
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Originally Posted by
ross
Haye fans live in a dream world where Haye is an active current boxer who goes through with fights;D
Wake up!
I don't specifically consider myself a Haye fan,
more a fan of great boxing.
If thats true, you need to watch more from the lesser weights and leave this plodding easy to watch grab and shuffle shit to the general public who can only in see in a certain speed.:)
Not many heavys just go at it hammer and tong like the top lesser weights do, you may get a round or so out of some ,but nothing like the good old days of out to kill and cat mouse boxing that did exist once in the weight.
Its nearly on par with watching golf , cant see the attraction myself.;D
Basically you have just admitted that Heavyweight boxing is a more cautious and more defence aware endeavour now and that previous HW division were punch bags mainly.
Harder punches, make for higher tension.
I do like lower weight boxing as well. But nothing quite holds the same suspense as HW boxing. You can almost FEEL the punches,
and something dramatic can happen at any moment.
Its been a long time since it has.
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Re: David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast
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ross
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Originally Posted by
AdamGB
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ross
Haye fans live in a dream world where Haye is an active current boxer who goes through with fights;D
Wake up!
The irony of a Fury fanboy telling people to wake up... ;D
If it wasn't for Haye, Tyson would have faced Pulev. I think he would have beaten him and then potentially have faced Wlad. If you think Pulev would have beaten Tyson you only have Haye to blame for agreeing to fight him.
It's Haye's fault that Fury hasn't ever fought a big heavyweight of any merit.
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Re: David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast
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ross
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smashup
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ross
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AdamGB
Nobody in their forties then @
ross? Didn't think so.
With every point you make, you're essentially calling Fury shite:
You say Haye only fights older heavyweights - Fury's best win is against an older man and cruiserweight at that.
You say Haye was knocked down by Monte Barrett - He slipped on an advertisement card, but that's besides the point... An older cruiserweight floored fury.
You diminish Haye knocking out Chisora in 5 rounds - it took Fury twice as long as a cruiserweight to finish off his own left overs in luke warm fashion, despite enjoying a considerable height and reach advantage.
You criticise Haye for not fighting people younger than him - Haye has given up weight/height/reach in several bouts... Pretty much everything but age...
name a young, even average fighter that Fury has fought were he hasn't enjoyed a considerable height and reach advantage? When is he going to step up and fight somebody closer in size like Wach? We've yet to see him use his boxing ability when his size advantage has been removed or even diminished.
You can justifiably think little of Haye, but at least be consistent and unbiased and apply your own standards to Fury as well. :rolleyes:
Wach is utter shite.
When the Chisora rematch was announced it was a chance for Chisora to prove it was because he wasn't in shape last time, that it was all down to his weight.
Haye had to throw caution to the wind to stop Chisora as he was blowing out his ass and getting bulled around. Tyson didn't break a sweat and had Chisora under control. He could have stopped him in the first, he had the legs going from the first left hook he threw. He stood off because they wanted and needed rounds. Thats how good Fury is. He can make easy work of Hayes best win;D
Winning the Heavyweight title was his best win at the weight Ross.
The facts are that Haye is Box Office and fighters like Fury simply are not and never will be because Fury doesn't entertain when he's in the ring intact he's boring to watch unless he's being interviewed.
Haye knocks people out on a regular basis which is what people love in the Heavyweight division.
It's all a Business Ross.... have you not worked that out yet? ;D
This is why an inactive fighter like Haye has everyone talking about him on the back of a photograph of him having Breakfast with Vitali :)
He still brings enough money to any fight where he can simply leapfrog the entire division (good thing or bad thing for boxing?) and get straight back into the mix with any top Heavyweight.
Not true. You are underestimating Tyson.
Floyd Mayweather is the biggest draw in boxing now but didnt become a pay per view fighter until his 17th world championship fight!! He wasnt a draw. His first pay per view was against Gatti. The fight before that, he faced Bruseles and only 4000 people attended that fight.
Tyson is yet to fight for a world championship and has already had 2 pay per views build around him only to fall apart due to the opponent pulling out twice. That pay per view would not have happened without Tyson. Not that a pay per view is indicative of the quality of a fight when you look at the shit Hearn produces. Over 18,000 bought tickets to watch a show Tyson headlined. Thats a big difference to Floyds 4000 in his 17 world championship fight.
My point is, Tyson is only 26. Give him the right opponent that isnt so, so easy to outbox and he already has the exposure and potential to be massive.
In fact, I think Hayes first pay per view fight wasnt until Valuev?
Every heavyweight interviewed in America calls Tyson out. His name is growing before hes even got on the world stage. He has the potential to be absolutely huge!
Why do you think they're all calling Fury out , Ross? Listen , I love Fury, he seems a great guy, he's got a lot of heart, he has improved as well, but the reason they call him out is because they think they can beat him, simple as that.
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Primo Carnera
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ross
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smashup
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ross
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AdamGB
Nobody in their forties then @
ross? Didn't think so.
With every point you make, you're essentially calling Fury shite:
You say Haye only fights older heavyweights - Fury's best win is against an older man and cruiserweight at that.
You say Haye was knocked down by Monte Barrett - He slipped on an advertisement card, but that's besides the point... An older cruiserweight floored fury.
You diminish Haye knocking out Chisora in 5 rounds - it took Fury twice as long as a cruiserweight to finish off his own left overs in luke warm fashion, despite enjoying a considerable height and reach advantage.
You criticise Haye for not fighting people younger than him - Haye has given up weight/height/reach in several bouts... Pretty much everything but age...
name a young, even average fighter that Fury has fought were he hasn't enjoyed a considerable height and reach advantage? When is he going to step up and fight somebody closer in size like Wach? We've yet to see him use his boxing ability when his size advantage has been removed or even diminished.
You can justifiably think little of Haye, but at least be consistent and unbiased and apply your own standards to Fury as well. :rolleyes:
Wach is utter shite.
When the Chisora rematch was announced it was a chance for Chisora to prove it was because he wasn't in shape last time, that it was all down to his weight.
Haye had to throw caution to the wind to stop Chisora as he was blowing out his ass and getting bulled around. Tyson didn't break a sweat and had Chisora under control. He could have stopped him in the first, he had the legs going from the first left hook he threw. He stood off because they wanted and needed rounds. Thats how good Fury is. He can make easy work of Hayes best win;D
Winning the Heavyweight title was his best win at the weight Ross.
The facts are that Haye is Box Office and fighters like Fury simply are not and never will be because Fury doesn't entertain when he's in the ring intact he's boring to watch unless he's being interviewed.
Haye knocks people out on a regular basis which is what people love in the Heavyweight division.
It's all a Business Ross.... have you not worked that out yet? ;D
This is why an inactive fighter like Haye has everyone talking about him on the back of a photograph of him having Breakfast with Vitali :)
He still brings enough money to any fight where he can simply leapfrog the entire division (good thing or bad thing for boxing?) and get straight back into the mix with any top Heavyweight.
Not true. You are underestimating Tyson.
Floyd Mayweather is the biggest draw in boxing now but didnt become a pay per view fighter until his 17th world championship fight!! He wasnt a draw. His first pay per view was against Gatti. The fight before that, he faced Bruseles and only 4000 people attended that fight.
Tyson is yet to fight for a world championship and has already had 2 pay per views build around him only to fall apart due to the opponent pulling out twice. That pay per view would not have happened without Tyson. Not that a pay per view is indicative of the quality of a fight when you look at the shit Hearn produces. Over 18,000 bought tickets to watch a show Tyson headlined. Thats a big difference to Floyds 4000 in his 17 world championship fight.
My point is, Tyson is only 26. Give him the right opponent that isnt so, so easy to outbox and he already has the exposure and potential to be massive.
In fact, I think Hayes first pay per view fight wasnt until Valuev?
Every heavyweight interviewed in America calls Tyson out. His name is growing before hes even got on the world stage. He has the potential to be absolutely huge!
Why do you think they're all calling Fury out , Ross? Listen , I love Fury, he seems a great guy, he's got a lot of heart, he has improved as well, but the reason they call him out is because they think they can beat him, simple as
that.
Of course they can, talk about anything else is delusional, Fury is as guilty as any other so called 'up and comer' of selecting opponents cautiously, he wont fight Price? He wont fight any kind of decent yank? How about Tony Thompson? All this crap about Fury being a serious contender is silly, and as for being a ticket seller that is downright silly, the only reason ppv got sold for his bore fest with chisora was the undercard which featured EUJR and Saunders. Fury is middling to average at boxing, middling to good at gobbing, the first time he gets into a ring with a real contender he gets beat, all he's trying to do is make his first loss a lucrative one, cant blame him for that but lets get real.
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It doesnt change the fact he is getting a higher profile all the time.
If only Haye had been as confident and keen to have fought tyson;)
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It doesnt change the fact he is getting a higher profile all the time.
If only Haye had been as confident and keen to have fought tyson;)
So it's all about profile now? Funny, I thought it was about becoming World champ. It's a common fact that once defeated, profile turns into Rat shit!
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It doesnt change the fact he is getting a higher profile all the time.
If only Haye had been as confident and keen to have fought tyson;)
So it's all about profile now? Funny, I thought it was about becoming World champ. It's a common fact that once defeated, profile turns into Rat shit!
I was talking about Furys ability to be a pay per view fighter compared to Haye. He almost was twice, even before his first world title fight. Haye didn't become a pay per view fighter until his third world title fight against Valuev.
Also, once beaten profile does not turn to "rat shit". Mike Tyson earned more in his career years ago than Wlad has. I bet Mayorga has earnt more than most current world champs also. A high profile is whats needed to sell fights.
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It doesnt change the fact he is getting a higher profile all the time.
If only Haye had been as confident and keen to have fought tyson;)
So it's all about profile now? Funny, I thought it was about becoming World champ. It's a common fact that once defeated, profile turns into Rat shit!
I was talking about Furys ability to be a pay per view fighter compared to Haye. He almost was twice, even before his first world title fight. Haye didn't become a pay per view fighter until his third world title fight against Valuev.
Also, once beaten profile does not turn to "rat shit". Mike Tyson earned more in his career years ago than Wlad has. I bet Mayorga has earnt more than most current world champs also. A high profile is whats needed to sell fights.
FFS Ross! Your getting silly now with selective 'facts' who the fuck pays for an 'alphabet' world cruiserweight title, to see Rob Norton or Johnny Nelson? The only decent cruiserweights we've had in the last ten years have been Haye and Holyfield (sorry twenty). To bum up Tyson Fury's credentials on the basis of his 'box office' is patently ridiculous, when his last fight would not have broken even had it not been for the undercard. All credit to you having paid for a ticket, but you must have felt lonely at 1 o clock in the morning sitting in the Exel after everybody had gone home half way through the snooze fest that was Fury Chis.
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ross
It doesnt change the fact he is getting a higher profile all the time.
If only Haye had been as confident and keen to have fought tyson;)
So it's all about profile now? Funny, I thought it was about becoming World champ. It's a common fact that once defeated, profile turns into Rat shit!
I was talking about Furys ability to be a pay per view fighter compared to Haye. He almost was twice, even before his first world title fight. Haye didn't become a pay per view fighter until his third world title fight against Valuev.
Also, once beaten profile does not turn to "rat shit". Mike Tyson earned more in his career years ago than Wlad has. I bet Mayorga has earnt more than most current world champs also. A high profile is whats needed to sell fights.
FFS Ross! Your getting silly now with selective 'facts' who the fuck pays for an 'alphabet' world cruiserweight title, to see Rob Norton or Johnny Nelson? The only decent cruiserweights we've had in the last ten years have been Haye and Holyfield (sorry twenty). To bum up Tyson Fury's credentials on the basis of his 'box office' is patently ridiculous, when his last fight would not have broken even had it not been for the undercard. All credit to you having paid for a ticket, but you must have felt lonely at 1 o clock in the morning sitting in the Exel after everybody had gone home half way through the snooze fest that was Fury Chis.
The only people who left early were those who had arranged their travel plans. The place was still heaving!
Even if it was half empty there was still 9000 there watching it you muppet!;D
Also, "alphabet" cruiser weight title? Haye and his fans would have you believe he was the undisputed champ?
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Its been a long time since it has.
Arreola Stiverne was highly dramatic.
If your referring to Wladmir's fights, well that is because we live in an era where the HW champion is all but invincible.
If you lived in an era without a dominant champion you would call it an "alphabet era" and STILL complain, this time that there were no stand out champion boxers.
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Question for you guys , how many times has fury fought BOXOFFICE , and was his last fight BOXOFFICE ?
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Question for you guys , how many times has fury fought BOXOFFICE , and was his last fight BOXOFFICE ?
Fury is yet to fight for a world title.
How many world title fights had Haye had before he was "box office"?
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Question for you guys , how many times has fury fought BOXOFFICE , and was his last fight BOXOFFICE ?
Fury is yet to fight for a world title.
How many world title fights had Haye had before he was "box office"?
So you are answering by saying fury has never fought box office ? What has haye got to do with it? I was asking about fury that's all.
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Question for you guys , how many times has fury fought BOXOFFICE , and was his last fight BOXOFFICE ?
Fury is yet to fight for a world title.
How many world title fights had Haye had before he was "box office"?
How many fights did Haye have before winning the wbc and wba belts in his opponent's home country? 20
How many world title fights has fury been in (let alone won) and how many pro fights has he had?
Haye won an EBU title after 15 fights, how many has it taken Fury?
I wonder if you will reply with simple and direct answers to my questions, or convoluted excuses (my money is on the latter).
Haye has only had 5 fights more than Fury, Fury has a lot of catching up to do to even match how little David Haye has allegedly done. I'm not saying Haye has had an amazing career, but judging Fury by the standards YOU judge Haye by - Fury needs to get a move on...
Maybe everybody is just scared of him? :vd:
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Question for you guys , how many times has fury fought BOXOFFICE , and was his last fight BOXOFFICE ?
Fury is yet to fight for a world title.
How many world title fights had Haye had before he was "box office"?
How many fights did Haye have before winning the wbc and wba belts in his opponent's home country? 20
How many world title fights has fury been in (let alone won) and how many pro fights has he had?
Haye won an EBU title after 15 fights, how many has it taken Fury?
I wonder if you will reply with simple and direct answers to my questions, or convoluted excuses (my money is on the latter).
Haye has only had 5 fights more than Fury, Fury has a lot of catching up to do to even match how little David Haye has allegedly done. I'm not saying Haye has had an amazing career, but judging Fury by the standards YOU judge Haye by - Fury needs to get a move on...
Maybe everybody is just scared of him? :vd:
Adam do you know how many BOXOFFICE fights fury has had ? nobody seems to know the answer ?
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Question for you guys , how many times has fury fought BOXOFFICE , and was his last fight BOXOFFICE ?
Never and no.
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Nobody in their forties then @
ross? Didn't think so.
With every point you make, you're essentially calling Fury shite:
You say Haye only fights older heavyweights - Fury's best win is against an older man and cruiserweight at that.
You say Haye was knocked down by Monte Barrett - He slipped on an advertisement card, but that's besides the point... An older cruiserweight floored fury.
You diminish Haye knocking out Chisora in 5 rounds - it took Fury twice as long as a cruiserweight to finish off his own left overs in luke warm fashion, despite enjoying a considerable height and reach advantage.
You criticise Haye for not fighting people younger than him - Haye has given up weight/height/reach in several bouts... Pretty much everything but age...
name a young, even average fighter that Fury has fought were he hasn't enjoyed a considerable height and reach advantage? When is he going to step up and fight somebody closer in size like Wach? We've yet to see him use his boxing ability when his size advantage has been removed or even diminished.
You can justifiably think little of Haye, but at least be consistent and unbiased and apply your own standards to Fury as well. :rolleyes:
Wach is utter shite.
When the Chisora rematch was announced it was a chance for Chisora to prove it was because he wasn't in shape last time, that it was all down to his weight.
Haye had to throw caution to the wind to stop Chisora as he was blowing out his ass and getting bulled around. Tyson didn't break a sweat and had Chisora under control. He could have stopped him in the first, he had the legs going from the first left hook he threw. He stood off because they wanted and needed rounds. Thats how good Fury is. He can make easy work of Hayes best win;D
Winning the Heavyweight title was his best win at the weight Ross.
The facts are that Haye is Box Office and fighters like Fury simply are not and never will be because Fury doesn't entertain when he's in the ring intact he's boring to watch unless he's being interviewed.
Haye knocks people out on a regular basis which is what people love in the Heavyweight division.
It's all a Business Ross.... have you not worked that out yet? ;D
This is why an inactive fighter like Haye has everyone talking about him on the back of a photograph of him having Breakfast with Vitali :)
He still brings enough money to any fight where he can simply leapfrog the entire division (good thing or bad thing for boxing?) and get straight back into the mix with any top Heavyweight.
Not true. You are underestimating Tyson.
Floyd Mayweather is the biggest draw in boxing now but didnt become a pay per view fighter until his 17th world championship fight!! He wasnt a draw. His first pay per view was against Gatti. The fight before that, he faced Bruseles and only 4000 people attended that fight.
Tyson is yet to fight for a world championship and has already had 2 pay per views build around him only to fall apart due to the opponent pulling out twice. That pay per view would not have happened without Tyson. Not that a pay per view is indicative of the quality of a fight when you look at the shit Hearn produces. Over 18,000 bought tickets to watch a show Tyson headlined. Thats a big difference to Floyds 4000 in his 17 world championship fight.
My point is, Tyson is only 26. Give him the right opponent that isnt so, so easy to outbox and he already has the exposure and potential to be massive.
In fact, I think Hayes first pay per view fight wasnt until Valuev?
Every heavyweight interviewed in America calls Tyson out. His name is growing before hes even got on the world stage. He has the potential to be absolutely huge!
Why do you think they're all calling Fury out , Ross? Listen , I love Fury, he seems a great guy, he's got a lot of heart, he has improved as well, but the reason they call him out is because they think they can beat him, simple as
that.
Of course they can, talk about anything else is delusional, Fury is as guilty as any other so called 'up and comer' of selecting opponents cautiously, he wont fight Price? He wont fight any kind of decent yank? How about Tony Thompson? All this crap about Fury being a serious contender is silly, and as for being a ticket seller that is downright silly, the only reason ppv got sold for his bore fest with chisora was the undercard which featured EUJR and Saunders. Fury is middling to average at boxing, middling to good at gobbing, the first time he gets into a ring with a real contender he gets beat, all he's trying to do is make his first loss a lucrative one, cant blame him for that but lets get real.
Just to correct you it wasn't PPV.
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Who ares about box office. Audley has been on it and he is shite.
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So thanks for your answers , so we can conclude the fury hasn't yet fought PPV , glad we cleared that one up.
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Who ares about box office. Audley has been on it and he is shite.
Not by himself though. If he fought Fury etc it would be straaaight to Box Nation.
