Sounds like a lot of reverse-racism and self loathing going on in that post! Damn!Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
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Sounds like a lot of reverse-racism and self loathing going on in that post! Damn!Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
See there you go. Cans are a sixth of the price. I'm taking it Rocco is not from England?Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanI can promise you that they do, not in the pubs but they go through a hell of a lot of cans, of an evening in the summer they literally sit in the middle of the road and chug can after canQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKONo. The poles quite often share houses between families down there and save costs accordingly. Also probably don't spend like we do on booze holidays loose women and sky TV etc. I'm not saying that's wrong but should British workers have to change their lifestyles to compete.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraIf your Brother is getting "seriously" undercut by the Poles etc. and they , as you stated do a decent job, then perhaps your Brother is quoting too high, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Good example of this was a colleague of mine in the London office who used findatradesmen website to get quotes for some landscape gardening. She got four quotes. Three were between 1500-1800 and one was 600. Being a tight arse she went with the 600 who was a Pole. She was worried about the job he would do but turned out he did an excellent job. She's recommended him to others in the office. The guy at the time lived in a squat but has since moved into a shared house with another two families.
Although I have to be honest if I was in London and needed some gardening jobs doing I would probably now go with him too to save valuable money for gambling, booze and whores etc
So you see the problem...
Looks like I've identified another cunt on SaddosQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
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Originally Posted by Mark TKOLooks like I've identified another cunt on SaddosQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Not sure why people who didn't vote in the referendum even bother to discuss it.
Maybe they will be happier when Trump gets in .;)
You are 6 months too late. We called his cunt ass out on that as early as November 2015.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKOLooks like I've identified another cunt on SaddosQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I'm just adding to my list
But good call anyway
Guess many of you will be looking like cunts waiting in the dole queue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKOLooks like I've identified another cunt on SaddosQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Good luck!
Yeah I do see the problem. And if your views above are a good reflection of the people who voted to leave, I'm pleased for all of you and wish all of us the best of luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKONo. The poles quite often share houses between families down there and save costs accordingly. Also probably don't spend like we do on booze holidays loose women and sky TV etc. I'm not saying that's wrong but should British workers have to change their lifestyles to compete.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraIf your Brother is getting "seriously" undercut by the Poles etc. and they , as you stated do a decent job, then perhaps your Brother is quoting too high, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Good example of this was a colleague of mine in the London office who used findatradesmen website to get quotes for some landscape gardening. She got four quotes. Three were between 1500-1800 and one was 600. Being a tight arse she went with the 600 who was a Pole. She was worried about the job he would do but turned out he did an excellent job. She's recommended him to others in the office. The guy at the time lived in a squat but has since moved into a shared house with another two families.
Although I have to be honest if I was in London and needed some gardening jobs doing I would probably now go with him too to save valuable money for gambling, booze and whores etc
So you see the problem...
I think we might need it.
But wait...!!!!!
http://www.standard.co.uk/business/anthony-hilton-why-we-may-remain-even-if-we-vote-leave-a3272621.html
Thanks mate. Appreciate itQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYeah I do see the problem. And if your views above are a good reflection of the people who voted to leave, I'm pleased for all of you and wish all of us the best of luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKONo. The poles quite often share houses between families down there and save costs accordingly. Also probably don't spend like we do on booze holidays loose women and sky TV etc. I'm not saying that's wrong but should British workers have to change their lifestyles to compete.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraIf your Brother is getting "seriously" undercut by the Poles etc. and they , as you stated do a decent job, then perhaps your Brother is quoting too high, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Good example of this was a colleague of mine in the London office who used findatradesmen website to get quotes for some landscape gardening. She got four quotes. Three were between 1500-1800 and one was 600. Being a tight arse she went with the 600 who was a Pole. She was worried about the job he would do but turned out he did an excellent job. She's recommended him to others in the office. The guy at the time lived in a squat but has since moved into a shared house with another two families.
Although I have to be honest if I was in London and needed some gardening jobs doing I would probably now go with him too to save valuable money for gambling, booze and whores etc
So you see the problem...
I think we might need it.
I think it unlikely we leave this side of an election.
It is far too complicated to be resolved inside two years.
There is an ambitious Labour MP looking at the situation, and thinking they can go down as great PM, saving the UK and the EU splitting up.
Cameron goes down in history as the UK's worst PM, as he has allowed the UK the chance to leave the EU and by doing so may split the UK. Even Eden was not that bad!
The two things we have got to look forward to in the short/medium term is a bit of inflation as the weak Pound will put our fuel (car/heating) and import prices up. And I do not think many multinationals will risk too much instability, so unemployment will go up and we will probably not see them jobs return no matter what happens.
David Cameron's complete cuntishness cannot be underestimated in making this happen. What an absolute tool. He was 100% confident that the country would never vote to leave, but while I may have been harsh with my earlier comment, he is definitely a complete fucking moron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/nigel-farage-admits-his-bold-brexit-claim-was-mistake
Why is anything going to deteriorate? Hasn't that already happened in recent years? Being a part of the EU has nothing to do with that. It's about self determination at the end of the day. Why people have such a thing for something that looks like the former Soviet Union is baffling. The short term effect on markets is what it is, but unless you are invested in stocks and shares or have a vested interest in exchange rates, then it shouldn't matter too much. I happen to like the exchange rate myself. :p Britain has a trade deficit with the EU, so they have more to lose. The globe is a much more positive place for the Brits to trade with as Europeans are broke and the UK does much better there.Quote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
The problem the UK has is its voting system. In direct democracy you hear the will of the people. In a system of seats, the system is much more easily rigged in favor of the 3 main parties who are laughing at people really. If nothing changes it is because those parties are not willing to listen. Already the Tories are stalling on leaving the EU and it will take years to set it in motion. Then Labour is off its rocker saying it's Corbyn's fault that the core doesn't like Blairism. All Labour really needs to do is listen and admit a few errors. In the 1980's Labour was against the EU. That Labour would do well today.
Basically I don't see what you are complaining about Rhun as nothing has changed except for the markets wetting the bed a little bit. There are plenty of things people can do to hedge against that, so I have little sympathy there.
Inflation from more expensive imports shouldn't be an issue in a country like the UK. It has become far too reliant on an unbalanced system of trade and they should just follow Russia's lead in growing and making more food and making more products. This can be a good thing for the UK. They got lazy relying on cheap imports and cheap labour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
Why don't you be consistent and tell Brockton to wind his neck in as well then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKOLooks like I've identified another cunt on SaddosQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Not sure why people who didn't vote in the referendum even bother to discuss it.
Maybe they will be happier when Trump gets in .;)
You have little sympathy because you do not live in the UK let alone in Wales or one of the regions in which your fantasy world does not exist. The repercussions for education alone are massive and now the front runners to take over running the country are two absolute heartless ignorant fools, Gove and IDS who have already wreaked havoc and destroyed the lives of so many. My kids and grandkids will not have the freedom to go and work in Europe like I did, the students I support will see their chances of gainful employment fade to nothing and everything will be privatized. You will not countenance anything but your own distorted view of a country you left years ago impacting on your clouded view of reality but you are way off he mark here. Clueless.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWhy is anything going to deteriorate? Hasn't that already happened in recent years? Being a part of the EU has nothing to do with that. It's about self determination at the end of the day. Why people have such a thing for something that looks like the former Soviet Union is baffling. The short term effect on markets is what it is, but unless you are invested in stocks and shares or have a vested interest in exchange rates, then it shouldn't matter too much. I happen to like the exchange rate myself. :p Britain has a trade deficit with the EU, so they have more to lose. The globe is a much more positive place for the Brits to trade with as Europeans are broke and the UK does much better there.Quote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
The problem the UK has is its voting system. In direct democracy you hear the will of the people. In a system of seats, the system is much more easily rigged in favor of the 3 main parties who are laughing at people really. If nothing changes it is because those parties are not willing to listen. Already the Tories are stalling on leaving the EU and it will take years to set it in motion. Then Labour is off its rocker saying it's Corbyn's fault that the core doesn't like Blairism. All Labour really needs to do is listen and admit a few errors. In the 1980's Labour was against the EU. That Labour would do well today.
Basically I don't see what you are complaining about Rhun as nothing has changed except for the markets wetting the bed a little bit. There are plenty of things people can do to hedge against that, so I have little sympathy there.
Your children will still be able to live and work overseas, so I do not understand that argument. At the end of the day if you don't want the Tories then don't vote for them. How is being in an undemocratic institution like the EU meant to solve anything? It is incapable of reform. They offer a few trinkets, but that does not justify it.
If people would rally around Corbyn they might stand a chance, but I see he is busy fending off snakes. Get Labour in and forget about the EU. It's an uphill battle because Labour has lost Scotland and people know it's full of snakes. I have sympathy about that, but not about stock markets or the EU. Rather than fantasy it is just reality.
The EU is far more democratic than the UK. We in the UK do not have a say who governs us in the executive nor do we have any say who is in the upper house. Money is the only way to have influence on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
The only Democracy the UK offers for free is the chance have a say in who is the representative of 1/650th of the lower house. It is likely that, that representative shall win their election by picking up less than 50% of those who vote for them, and yet that is better than other scenario which sees many seats already resolved before a vote is even given, as it is shown time and time again a hundred seats tops, decide the makeup of the lower house. So you have around 100/650 chance of being relevant to have a 1/60,000 influence in deciding 1/100 of the seats that mould the executive.
So without money the citizen of the UK has no democratic input into the Executive; that is for the Monarch to decide; has no input into the upper house; that is for the Executive to decide; and has on average a 1/39,250,000 influence on the makeup of the lower house...
At least EU elections (for the lower house) are done on proportional representation, thus you do not have to be voting for the seats that are relevant to the executive's makeup.
Didnt you read? I said I dont know why people who didnt vote want to discuss it. Funnily enough that includes everyone who didnt vote .Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzWhy don't you be consistent and tell Brockton to wind his neck in as well then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKOLooks like I've identified another cunt on SaddosQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Not sure why people who didn't vote in the referendum even bother to discuss it.
Maybe they will be happier when Trump gets in .;)
That isn't democratic at all then. So why is there no revolution to crash it all down? That was historically how things get fixed. The UK has issues. A bloody monarchy too? What's that all about? House of Lords. The UK system does suck a tad.Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidThe EU is far more democratic than the UK. We in the UK do not have a say who governs us in the executive nor do we have any say who is in the upper house. Money is the only way to have influence on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
The only Democracy the UK offers for free is the chance have a say in who is the representative of 1/650th of the lower house. It is likely that, that representative shall win their election by picking up less than 50% of those who vote for them, and yet that is better than other scenario which sees many seats already resolved before a vote is even given, as it is shown time and time again a hundred seats tops, decide the makeup of the lower house. So you have around 100/650 chance of being relevant to have a 1/60,000 influence in deciding 1/100 of the seats that mould the executive.
So without money the citizen of the UK has no democratic input into the Executive; that is for the Monarch to decide; has no input into the upper house; that is for the Executive to decide; and has on average a 1/39,250,000 influence on the makeup of the lower house...
At least EU elections (for the lower house) are done on proportional representation, thus you do not have to be voting for the seats that are relevant to the executive's makeup.
The UK does not do Revolution; whenever crisis arises the Monarch/Executive sells minor changes as the resolution to the problem, if that does not work they spin the fear of change as another answer. Some minor asides, these tactics have worked since the Union has begun, this is the first time it has seemingly failed in over three hundred years. There maybe interesting times ahead...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Miles, you have to remember that these aspects do not live in isolation. A drop in the exchange rate is fine for ex-pats who get paid in foreign currencies as you do, but those who have pensions in the UK are going to be suffering significantly from the drop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
There are also so many commodities that we in the UK are effectively going to be paying more for - we do not produce enough energy, and around 40% is imported from various countries, including France and Russia. The drop in the value of the pound makes all of these imports, and we are talking tens of billions of pounds per year, all proportionally more expensive. Energy costs are one of the largest parts of what people spend every year, and an increase there means that they will have less money to spend on other parts of their lifestyle. That is why I say that it will deteriorate.
Follow this with the increased costs that our businesses are going to be facing in terms of production because of the increased energy costs, and that is going to make things more expensive. It's not only domestic products and services that will be more expensive, but anything imported will cost more, as we will still be buying things at their prices, and more pounds will be required for each unit of currency. Plus any trade deals we negotiate with the EU now will not be on terms as favourable as the ones we had, so the tariffs we pay will be higher too.
Not to mention the fact that I have no trust whatsoever in the wishy washy promises of the leave camp, who said that all of the subsidies and support provided to different industries through the EU will be replicated by the UK government. The repercussions of our farmers not getting the same levels of support could also see our food prices increasing as these costs will be passed on to the consumer, along with the increases that come with the increased costs of energy used in production.
But of course, I am pleased that you are enjoying the greater number of pounds you get when you grace us with your presence in the UK.
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And as I mentioned one day we may get a 'decent form' of democracy, where the people without the need to pay, get a say in the upper house and executive...
I don't really understand why you are worrying about your pension when it comes to Brexit. It is a short term shock to the exchange rate and markets and it will likely correct itself. Granted it is good for me to have a poor exchange rate, but I don't think for a moment it will stay at this level for long. I think what you should be more concerned about is the central bank, bankrupt banks and the perpetually low interest rates being used to keep them all alive. Japan for instance isn't in decline because it is not part of a Super Asia Alliance.Quote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhunMiles, you have to remember that these aspects do not live in isolation. A drop in the exchange rate is fine for ex-pats who get paid in foreign currencies as you do, but those who have pensions in the UK are going to be suffering significantly from the drop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
There are also so many commodities that we in the UK are effectively going to be paying more for - we do not produce enough energy, and around 40% is imported from various countries, including France and Russia. The drop in the value of the pound makes all of these imports, and we are talking tens of billions of pounds per year, all proportionally more expensive. Energy costs are one of the largest parts of what people spend every year, and an increase there means that they will have less money to spend on other parts of their lifestyle. That is why I say that it will deteriorate.
Follow this with the increased costs that our businesses are going to be facing in terms of production because of the increased energy costs, and that is going to make things more expensive. It's not only domestic products and services that will be more expensive, but anything imported will cost more, as we will still be buying things at their prices, and more pounds will be required for each unit of currency. Plus any trade deals we negotiate with the EU now will not be on terms as favourable as the ones we had, so the tariffs we pay will be higher too.
Not to mention the fact that I have no trust whatsoever in the wishy washy promises of the leave camp, who said that all of the subsidies and support provided to different industries through the EU will be replicated by the UK government. The repercussions of our farmers not getting the same levels of support could also see our food prices increasing as these costs will be passed on to the consumer, along with the increases that come with the increased costs of energy used in production.
But of course, I am pleased that you are enjoying the greater number of pounds you get when you grace us with your presence in the UK.
In terms of energy. Well, the UK is nuts for not producing any energy and having privatised everything. Your bills are already expensive and privatisation happened because nobody bothered to resist. You know what happens here? They burn coal and it is nationalised. It also means the bills are cheap. Again, you can't really blame Brexit for 30 years of neo-liberalism.
Russia was put on a sanctions list and recently they also had a currency 'crisis'. Their response was to raise interest rates and start growing and manufacturing. The Russian economy has no debt, they have plenty of gold reserves, they are becoming the worlds largest organic food provider in the world. A stand alone Britain will face some short term pain, but it could work in the national interest if the people start to stand up for their own interests. Being able to reject a narrative of fear and a short term hit to the pocket is a healthy sign. Grow food and be self sustaining. Quit with the property nonsense. The houses are old and full of damp. :p
The difference between Britain and Russia is large though as Britain has few people working in the interests of the people as seen with fracking, banking, privatisation, wars, tuition fees, NHS privatisation etc. The government is a large corporation and that is why living standards are declining. Blaming a referendum when the ills are decades long and systemic just doesn't ring true. Weather the short term hit, it's not like you are retiring any time soon. It's up to the people to change the system and get Corbyn in, but 'they' are doing their hardest to curtail that too right now.
I wish you well, I really do.
I voted to leave and am glad I did but the repercussions are worrying because no one is taking control, ownership and providing stability.
Cameron ran off crying.
Conservatives are trying to find a leader.
Boris is hiding in a corner somewhere.
Corbyn has no one in the shadow cabinet working for him.
Scottish and Irish want to leave us
Politicians have no balls.
My concern is that Cameron started all this but doesn't have the guts to see it through, then on the other side you have Labour going through some kind of manufactured crisis at a time when their leader is popular with the core and the Tories are on the ropes. You couldn't make it up.
I hope the country rallies behind Corbyn. I always said I would come back for a bit if Corbyn became PM and it's now looking like a life in permanent exile. I think he would be great for the country. He understands the banking system and war machine and they know it whence the desperation to topple him.
I did have a laugh at the silver spoon teenage mobs berating the old for 'ruining their future'. Good work, blame someone else, dissolve any sense of responsibility and then regurgitate some poster from a mildly amusing chap who says 'if all you have is 2 GCSE's and an STI........you get the rest'. Nice dose of lost hypocrisy.
Another exchange of pleasantries saw a 16 year old girl shriek 'If I was able to vote........after all, I know more about Politics than anyone voting leave!'.
The only MP with any balls is Nicola Sturgeon.
Nicola Sturgeon: 'Project Farce has begun' - BBC News
You were played my friend. A pawn in a popularity contest with no backbone.Quote:
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There's An Interesting New Theory On What Will Actually Happen Post-EU Referendum | The LAD Bible
#fools #happyindependanceday #loooooool
She is legit. I like her.Quote:
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Not like that.
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Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusShe is legit. I like her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Not like that.
You would not say no! ;)
So what's the deal here? Does that Oompah Loompah looking broad want Scotland to vote for independence and re-join the EU?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPgiI46FCDU
.....yeah gee, I don't know why anyone would want to leave the EU when the President is getting shitfaced at lunch and having a big old time doing things like calling his colleagues amusing little nicknames "Dictator!"
What a horrible couple of workdays since the referendum. I was at a wedding in France over the weekend. British hedge funder marrying a French banker. The Brits all furious at Boris and the French shitting themselves that Le Pen gets a boost from promising a French referendum, wins the presidency and then gets a French exit. Not shitting themselves but worried.
Loads of smartarses all trying to show how connected they were by telling everybody what the government is going to do and to be fair lots of them are connected people. But everybody had a different read. There's going to be another referendum. There definitely isn't going to be another referendum. Article 50 won't get triggered. Yes it will. And so on. Bottom line is nobody knows. You could see by Boris and Gove's faces on Friday morning they don't have a clue what they're doing either. They obviously didn't expect to win. They weren't exactly celebrating were they.
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...re-id542741252
It's going to be interesting to see how the economy does over the next few months until we get round to invoking article fifty. There's a good chance that a lot of firms who would love to move somewhere like Romania to take advantage of the cheap labour might fuck off. Parts of the City might fuck off too and much as people don't like us we chip in billions of tax revenues. There might be a lot of people who voted leave who wish they'd voted the other way in a few months. In which case, with ongoing damage to the economy and Scotland potentially fucking off maybe parliament just disregards the referendum result and we stay in. I'd put the chance of this at about 20-30%.
And it might get higher of it becomes clear that freedom of movement for EU citizens isn't going to change even if we do leave. If we want to keep access to the European single market we're going to have to keep freedom of movement. If Boris and his chums start admitting in public that we may have to keep freedom of movement before we've invoked article fifty it'll be a good tell that we're not going to.
Pound is taking a bit of a hammering and stock markets everywhere are down. The euro and eurozone stocks will eventually get a pounding too, it's not just going to be us. There's going to be a lot of effort made by the EU to make us either reverse or ignore our referendum vote. Like I said before, nobody here apart from part of the Conservative party wants us to leave and nobody in the EU want us to leave. And even if we do we'll still be paying into the EU budget and letting EU peeps come here and work.
Immigration was the main reason simple know ifs or buts.
People are not stupid they can see what immigration has done to there jobs and there community totally fucked up.
None of the ass hole politicians had any influence on my vote.
I seen what immigration has done for jobs in my area, facts figures are bull shit, see what it does what's wrong British's job's for British's workers simple not a dirty word FOR US not half of fucking Europe.
The bankers and City traders are crying into there Champagne.
Britain voted to leave it's what people wanted, it may not suit the City boy's greedy bastards the lot of them.
The single market more like a cattle market three hundred thousand coming in every year.
My heart does not bleed for the politicians, that have been discredited on all sides.
If Le Pen wins it might trigger a civil war in France....I would think that would be something that nation needs as it is right there on the brink of becoming Islamist. Belgium, Italy, and Germany as well could use with their Islamic populations assimilating for a while.
Kirkland, surely you have seen the new mayor of Rome?
http://www.dagospia.com/img/foto/02-...a-5-766861.jpg
I mean she's no Marion Le Pen, but still she's quite the looker
Come on buddy, surely the fact that the Leave politicians themselves saying that leaving the EU will not affect immigration means you have to look at the other factors?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
In that case you have should voted to stay. The remain group were the only ones who suggested they would try to lower migration. Leave made it clear free removement would remain and also they would look to bring in an 'Australian style' points system for those not in the EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando