Solid right hook to body buckles Redkach and he complains to Mercante..who stops the action to lecture. Farmer would be smart to go ALL head from here on out. Redkach looks like a guy in too deep
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Solid right hook to body buckles Redkach and he complains to Mercante..who stops the action to lecture. Farmer would be smart to go ALL head from here on out. Redkach looks like a guy in too deep
Ref takes point from Farmer in 8th. was below waste bland. 6-2 Farmer. Now Mercante deducts Redkach for headbutt next round
Final bell and it was gritty but not close. Lost track of last round..scores way wider than thought with Farmer winning 99-89, 98-90, and 98-90. unanimous! Honestly thought they were about to screw a guy.
Malignaggi and Bracero at the bell. Hope Pauile does well here!
The Showtime extreme fights aren't on Showtime extreme. It's frustrating
They just went off air here, Paulie with 10 round decision. Spent fight on the phone ;D. Class act afterwards Malignaggi.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Rabchenko and Harrison beginning. Don't think Harrison can deal with strength here but lands some sharp rights very early. Should be good!
Rabchenko not looking very effective here. At least Mikey is smiling for the TV cameras. Should never have taken that time off though.
Very good rebound win and game plan by Harrison. Rabchenko never got a thing going and looked totally out of depth by tko. Wow!
Not such a smart move by Hatton getting his guy that fight.
Says something about TR how many fighters are willing to just not fight until their contracts run out. Mikey isn't the first and won't be the last. I mean Manny was taking loans of his own money and then paying TR interest FFS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
To be fair Manny was taking advances on future purses because he was broke. Arum guided Mikey to a world title and million dollar paydays. I don't think Top Rank would have done an appreciably worse job of managing his career or paying him than any other promoter would have. And with the amount of time out of the ring and lost momentum there's no way Mikey will have done better at the end of his career than if he'd just completed his contract and then gone elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonSays something about TR how many fighters are willing to just not fight until their contracts run out. Mikey isn't the first and won't be the last. I mean Manny was taking loans of his own money and then paying TR interest FFS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
I really think it's some kind of mental thing with Mikey. I don't think he was being underpaid or treated unfairly by Arum. I just think there's some kind of mental flaw which will show up again somehow eventually. Sitting out that amount of time is nuts. No manager or lawyer would recommend it.
It'll be interesting to see how Mikey does compared to Valdez Junior if that guy stays at TR and they're both successful in the future.
Manny was taking loans on future earnings instead of rightfully being paid his back end. There's a reason Manny was so concerned with his guarantees, it was all he would get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingTo be fair Manny was taking advances on future purses because he was broke. Arum guided Mikey to a world title and million dollar paydays. I don't think Top Rank would have done an appreciably worse job of managing his career or paying him than any other promoter would have. And with the amount of time out of the ring and lost momentum there's no way Mikey will have done better at the end of his career than if he'd just completed his contract and then gone elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonSays something about TR how many fighters are willing to just not fight until their contracts run out. Mikey isn't the first and won't be the last. I mean Manny was taking loans of his own money and then paying TR interest FFS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
I really think it's some kind of mental thing with Mikey. I don't think he was being underpaid or treated unfairly by Arum. I just think there's some kind of mental flaw which will show up again somehow eventually. Sitting out that amount of time is nuts. No manager or lawyer would recommend it.
It'll be interesting to see how Mikey does compared to Valdez Junior if that guy stays at TR and they're both successful in the future.
I agree taking time off in your prime is a terrible idea but we really don't know what Garcia was taking home. Those million dollar pay checks could have been only hundreds of thousands after a litany of BS expenses are deducted.
Staying out for two and a half years is just bad all around. They were talking Crawford even then but all that's happened is Crawford has assumed the momentum and Arums favor. At least they're equal here, comeback vs a guy in Rojas off 2 yrs away and totally off weight class also :-X
Rojas in very bad trouble! Totally collapsing and hurt by everything
Mikey's power is still there but he didn't show much else. I hope Mikey goes down to LW
What is rightful? Manny got everything he was supposed to get otherwise we'd have heard about it. This is a guy who literally gives his money away. No matter how much he gets paid he's going to spend it faster than he can make it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonManny was taking loans on future earnings instead of rightfully being paid his back end. There's a reason Manny was so concerned with his guarantees, it was all he would get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingTo be fair Manny was taking advances on future purses because he was broke. Arum guided Mikey to a world title and million dollar paydays. I don't think Top Rank would have done an appreciably worse job of managing his career or paying him than any other promoter would have. And with the amount of time out of the ring and lost momentum there's no way Mikey will have done better at the end of his career than if he'd just completed his contract and then gone elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonSays something about TR how many fighters are willing to just not fight until their contracts run out. Mikey isn't the first and won't be the last. I mean Manny was taking loans of his own money and then paying TR interest FFS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
I really think it's some kind of mental thing with Mikey. I don't think he was being underpaid or treated unfairly by Arum. I just think there's some kind of mental flaw which will show up again somehow eventually. Sitting out that amount of time is nuts. No manager or lawyer would recommend it.
It'll be interesting to see how Mikey does compared to Valdez Junior if that guy stays at TR and they're both successful in the future.
I agree taking time off in your prime is a terrible idea but we really don't know what Garcia was taking home. Those million dollar pay checks could have been only hundreds of thousands after a litany of BS expenses are deducted.
I haven't seen any evidence that Garcia was being cheated or treated badly or whatever. If I remember correctly he threatened to bring a lawsuit against TR and then didn't (or lost one of the initial motions) and then just spat his dummy out and sat on his arse for two years. If TR had been screwing him we'd have seen paperwork to prove it.
I'm hoping what Frampton has been saying that he has been weakened making weight and will be better at the new weight. I want to see a competitive fight.
Great hearing Mikey say he will go down to 135!
What is rightful is what he earned. I agree it didn't matter how much he had he would give it away but what is earned is earned. It's well known Manny never got his back end. So instead of spending his back end he was taking loans and then paying interest on those loans. That's criminal, just, that's how boxing is. Rich smart men ripping off stupid men. We can say a fool and his money..... But give the fool HIS money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingWhat is rightful? Manny got everything he was supposed to get otherwise we'd have heard about it. This is a guy who literally gives his money away. No matter how much he gets paid he's going to spend it faster than he can make it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonManny was taking loans on future earnings instead of rightfully being paid his back end. There's a reason Manny was so concerned with his guarantees, it was all he would get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingTo be fair Manny was taking advances on future purses because he was broke. Arum guided Mikey to a world title and million dollar paydays. I don't think Top Rank would have done an appreciably worse job of managing his career or paying him than any other promoter would have. And with the amount of time out of the ring and lost momentum there's no way Mikey will have done better at the end of his career than if he'd just completed his contract and then gone elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonSays something about TR how many fighters are willing to just not fight until their contracts run out. Mikey isn't the first and won't be the last. I mean Manny was taking loans of his own money and then paying TR interest FFS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
I really think it's some kind of mental thing with Mikey. I don't think he was being underpaid or treated unfairly by Arum. I just think there's some kind of mental flaw which will show up again somehow eventually. Sitting out that amount of time is nuts. No manager or lawyer would recommend it.
It'll be interesting to see how Mikey does compared to Valdez Junior if that guy stays at TR and they're both successful in the future.
I agree taking time off in your prime is a terrible idea but we really don't know what Garcia was taking home. Those million dollar pay checks could have been only hundreds of thousands after a litany of BS expenses are deducted.
I haven't seen any evidence that Garcia was being cheated or treated badly or whatever. If I remember correctly he threatened to bring a lawsuit against TR and then didn't (or lost one of the initial motions) and then just spat his dummy out and sat on his arse for two years. If TR had been screwing him we'd have seen paperwork to prove it.
Garcia stopped fighting and threatened to sue but you haven't seen any evidence? What exactly would be evidence then? Going to win in court, in Nevada? Haha
Everybody moving up says that though. It was killing me to make the weight. I'm much stronger at this weight. I'm punching much harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
You've got to hand it to Frampton though. The first fight at a new weight class is against a bigger longer reach world champ known for throwing massive volume. And in the guy's home country. I'm hoping it's a hell of a fight but Frampton needs a KO to win. I'm going for Santa Cruz. Don't think Frampton has the firepower to stop him.
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Originally Posted by Ron SwansonWhat is rightful is what he earned. I agree it didn't matter how much he had he would give it away but what is earned is earned. It's well known Manny never got his back end. So instead of spending his back end he was taking loans and then paying interest on those loans. That's criminal, just, that's how boxing is. Rich smart men ripping off stupid men. We can say a fool and his money..... But give the fool HIS money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingWhat is rightful? Manny got everything he was supposed to get otherwise we'd have heard about it. This is a guy who literally gives his money away. No matter how much he gets paid he's going to spend it faster than he can make it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonManny was taking loans on future earnings instead of rightfully being paid his back end. There's a reason Manny was so concerned with his guarantees, it was all he would get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingTo be fair Manny was taking advances on future purses because he was broke. Arum guided Mikey to a world title and million dollar paydays. I don't think Top Rank would have done an appreciably worse job of managing his career or paying him than any other promoter would have. And with the amount of time out of the ring and lost momentum there's no way Mikey will have done better at the end of his career than if he'd just completed his contract and then gone elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonSays something about TR how many fighters are willing to just not fight until their contracts run out. Mikey isn't the first and won't be the last. I mean Manny was taking loans of his own money and then paying TR interest FFS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
I really think it's some kind of mental thing with Mikey. I don't think he was being underpaid or treated unfairly by Arum. I just think there's some kind of mental flaw which will show up again somehow eventually. Sitting out that amount of time is nuts. No manager or lawyer would recommend it.
It'll be interesting to see how Mikey does compared to Valdez Junior if that guy stays at TR and they're both successful in the future.
I agree taking time off in your prime is a terrible idea but we really don't know what Garcia was taking home. Those million dollar pay checks could have been only hundreds of thousands after a litany of BS expenses are deducted.
I haven't seen any evidence that Garcia was being cheated or treated badly or whatever. If I remember correctly he threatened to bring a lawsuit against TR and then didn't (or lost one of the initial motions) and then just spat his dummy out and sat on his arse for two years. If TR had been screwing him we'd have seen paperwork to prove it.
Garcia stopped fighting and threatened to sue but you haven't seen any evidence? What exactly would be evidence then? Going to win in court, in Nevada? Haha
I didn't know it was well known. I'm sure if Manny wasn't paid money he was contractually bound to receive we would have heard about it.
America has either the top or second best legal system in the world. People and businesses from all over the world go to the US or UK to file cases as they know they're going to get justice there. An American court is an American court. Evidence is evidence. If for some reason one state in America did have a corrupt court system or you didn't like a decision then any plaintiff can appeal to Federal courts.
All true. Just hoping it's true this time because the Frampton we have seen recently I don't think can compete with Santa Cruz. I want to see a better version and a hell of a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingEverybody moving up says that though. It was killing me to make the weight. I'm much stronger at this weight. I'm punching much harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
You've got to hand it to Frampton though. The first fight at a new weight class is against a bigger longer reach world champ known for throwing massive volume. And in the guy's home country. I'm hoping it's a hell of a fight but Frampton needs a KO to win. I'm going for Santa Cruz. Don't think Frampton has the firepower to stop him.
I wonder about a guys focus who gives up titles on the scale, takes two yrs off only to return saying he wants to "fast track titles" back to back. If he makes true lightweight again I'll eat my shoe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Stupid question but I don't know so I'm going to ask. How the hell can it be true no fighter from Northern Ireland has been a multi-division champion? There have been so many great fighters from Ireland, are they usually from Southern Ireland?
A couple of hours playing Football Manager, and now I'm back with the boxing. Really hope that Frampton can turn the books on their heads tonight, and put Santa Cruz on his arse.
Sup bitches. Does Frampton have any chance here?
His best chance of winning is if Santa Cruz does something to get himself DQ'edQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Santa Cruz should box his span. And stop that continuing glove shaking
Frampton with the brick!!
Looks like Frampton is already getting marked up from the jab
What a fight!
This is a good fight. I thought Santa Cruz might go down there. Nice hook to the temple.
Frampton landed some shots but I think was more of Cruz being off balanced
Temple shot had him going. Ropes kept him up.
;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHis best chance of winning is if Santa Cruz does something to get himself DQ'edQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Malignaggi has to be the best boxer-turned-commentator that I have ever heard.
No output from Santa Cruz. Frampton has him thinking and is landing the better shots.
The announcers on my stream are crazy biased haha
Looks like Santa Cruz hasn't done any work on his defense in the 3 years since I last watched him fight.
Someone shut Ranallo the fook up btw. Frampton working Santa Cruz in 3rd and getting around! Santa Cruz runs small risk of turning mini Margarito if this goes same.
Ranallo is awful. Always has been.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli