Re: "intelligent" man WON'T STOP when a COP orders him to STOP---guess what happened?
@Gandalf it is not up to you or the public to "adjudicate-on-the-spot" if they are doing anything wrong or not and then therefore give themselves the right to not comply with an officer's demands. YOu going on like you are the judge and jury combines, or you saying that that man who was stopped has the right to deem himself judge and jury and can therefore say FUCK OFF FUCK YOU to the cops demands, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS NUTS.
BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT YOU FAIL TO SEE IT OR ADDRESS IT.
Re: "intelligent" man WON'T STOP when a COP orders him to STOP---guess what happened?
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Gandalf it is not up to you or the public to "adjudicate-on-the-spot" if they are doing anything wrong or not and then therefore give themselves the right to not comply with an officer's demands. YOu going on like you are the judge and jury combines, or you saying that that man who was stopped has the right to deem himself judge and jury and can therefore say FUCK OFF FUCK YOU to the cops demands, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS NUTS.
BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT YOU FAIL TO SEE IT OR ADDRESS IT.
You just don't understand the criminal justice system or basic responsibility do you ? The Policeman is neither Judge nor Jury either. He or she is a public servant not an authority that can make unreasonable demands of a citizen. You have twisted everything around in order to justify somebody acting more like a thug than the guy he and you are casting as a criminal.
Re: "intelligent" man WON'T STOP when a COP orders him to STOP---guess what happened?
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TitoFan you cannot just compare jaywalking with getting punched 20 times in the face. That is not the way it went down bro and you know it. You are deliberately skipping a couple of steps in that sequence of events. When he tried to take him down the man vehemently resisted and put up a fight and started flailing his arms back at the officers face. In that case if you get punched in the face a couple of times by someone who you are trying to subdue then I believe you can Strike Back.
I watched the video again. When he went to take him down, the man resisted, but the takedown took a split second. Once the guy was on the ground, the cop proceeded to pummel him. There's no way in that video you saw the guy punching the cop in the face. He had barely been slammed to the ground when the cop started to pummel him.
I get it that you don't like the prototypical hoodlum talking back at cops... I get it. It's a stupid move. But it doesn't excuse a cop, who's supposedly highly trained, to assault a human being in that fashion. Again, even after apprehending a murder suspect after a shootout and a high speed chase, there's no excuse for that kind of pummeling.
You're wrong, and you know it. Of course you won't back down, but it makes no difference.
I hope the cop gets charged, convicted, and jailed for assault and battery. There's gotta be some way to get it through the thick skull of these 'roided assholes that their badge and uniform isn't a licence to abuse citizens. And if he gets made someone's bitch while in prison..... well I guess that's just too bad.
as he took him down, the suspect turned and threw a punch/flailed an arm at the cop's face, or at least he would not be subdued and in wriggling and twisting could have injured the cop. Up til that point you cant say the suspect had cooperated AT ALL and you know it, SO WHAT MAKES YOU THINK AS HE WAS BEING TAKEN DOWN HE WOULD SUDDENLY, MAGICALLY MAKE IT EASY FOR THE COP?
As he was being body-slammed into the concrete street, he instinctively did what any self-preserving human being would do. He put out his arms to break his fall in the split second he was being taken down. If you want to pass this off as the guy punching the cop, go right ahead. Only the cop and his mother would back you up on that one. It's ridiculous, Brock. You're defending the indefensible.
Nothing but a stiff prison sentence and a million dollar lawsuit will teach these brain-dead, uniformed assholes to keep their 'roid rage binges to themselves.
Actually... he's lucky that as he was pummeling the guy 20 times in the face, a friend or family member didn't walk up behind him and put one in the back of his head.
Re: "intelligent" man WON'T STOP when a COP orders him to STOP---guess what happened?
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Gandalf it is not up to you or the public to "adjudicate-on-the-spot" if they are doing anything wrong or not and then therefore give themselves the right to not comply with an officer's demands. YOu going on like you are the judge and jury combines, or you saying that that man who was stopped has the right to deem himself judge and jury and can therefore say FUCK OFF FUCK YOU to the cops demands, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS NUTS.
BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT YOU FAIL TO SEE IT OR ADDRESS IT.
Utterly bizarre. The police officer is a thug and here you are waffling on and on defending it. Why is it you only ever post videos of black people getting beaten up too?
Re: "intelligent" man WON'T STOP when a COP orders him to STOP---guess what happened?
For the most cops won't bother u in the us if you are doing nothing wrong. They interact with less than one percent of the population. I do think they have been way too much power. The Supreme Court has sided with these government lawyers far to often
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Gandalf it is not up to you or the public to "adjudicate-on-the-spot" if they are doing anything wrong or not and then therefore give themselves the right to not comply with an officer's demands. YOu going on like you are the judge and jury combines, or you saying that that man who was stopped has the right to deem himself judge and jury and can therefore say FUCK OFF FUCK YOU to the cops demands, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS NUTS.
BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT YOU FAIL TO SEE IT OR ADDRESS IT.
You just don't understand the criminal justice system or basic responsibility do you ? The Policeman is neither Judge nor Jury either. He or she is a public servant not an authority that can make unreasonable demands of a citizen. You have twisted everything around in order to justify somebody acting more like a thug than the guy he and you are casting as a criminal.
the only thing twisted is your knickers right up, mate, in a right old twist. The cop has the PRECEDENCE over the jaywalker. The cop cites him for jaywalking, you gotta go with the cop there, he knows the ordinances, whereas ordinary citizens do not know the ordinances. I believe him if he wants to enforce the jaywalking law at that time well oh fucking well HELL there aint much a WANNABE WEEKEND WARRIOR can do about it. Its the luck of the draw. I seen countless go thru a particular red light with no consequences but one day BOOM a cop will be there and decide WELL HELL that fucker just went thru a red light so BOOM, TICKET, SUMMONS, COURT DATE, you are not the fucking judge & jury mate, the cop is the LAW ENFORCER, not the sheep shagging cocksucking citizen, who knows FUCK ALL about ordinances and violations.
Re: "intelligent" man WON'T STOP when a COP orders him to STOP---guess what happened?
@Gandalf at the very least you gotta comply with an officer who is saying "hey, sir, stop right there, I need to check you out", beanz ol boy you cannot get much luck out of "Fuck you, pig, Im innocent, Im black, Im a victim of racism, I will not comply".
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Gandalf it is not up to you or the public to "adjudicate-on-the-spot" if they are doing anything wrong or not and then therefore give themselves the right to not comply with an officer's demands. YOu going on like you are the judge and jury combines, or you saying that that man who was stopped has the right to deem himself judge and jury and can therefore say FUCK OFF FUCK YOU to the cops demands, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS NUTS.BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT YOU FAIL TO SEE IT OR ADDRESS IT.
You just don't understand the criminal justice system or basic responsibility do you ? The Policeman is neither Judge nor Jury either. He or she is a public servant not an authority that can make unreasonable demands of a citizen. You have twisted everything around in order to justify somebody acting more like a thug than the guy he and you are casting as a criminal.
the only thing twisted is your knickers right up, mate, in a right old twist. The cop has the PRECEDENCE over the jaywalker. The cop cites him for jaywalking, you gotta go with the cop there, he knows the ordinances, whereas ordinary citizens do not know the ordinances. I believe him if he wants to enforce the jaywalking law at that time well oh fucking well HELL there aint much a WANNABE WEEKEND WARRIOR can do about it. Its the luck of the draw. I seen countless go thru a particular red light with no consequences but one day BOOM a cop will be there and decide WELL HELL that fucker just went thru a red light so BOOM, TICKET, SUMMONS, COURT DATE, you are not the fucking judge & jury mate, the cop is the LAW ENFORCER, not the sheep shagging cocksucking citizen, who knows FUCK ALL about ordinances and violations.
I never said I or the citizen was judge and jury, that is a position you have backed yourself into. You think you are the expert on everything. How many case files have you had to prepare? How many exhibits have you had to request? How many judges bundles have you had to check? How many courtrooms have you had to serve? How many police have you had to deal with on a daily basis? Way too full of yourself and assuming things of others whom you know nothing about.
mate you and Gandalf are deliberately evading my very excellent questions. If you can just address the questions maybe we can debate the issues instead of asking me if I have ever worked in a courtroom before.
Question number one. Do you agree that an officer of the law is usually much more knowledgeable of who may or may not be a suspect at any particular moment due to police communication over the radios in there police cars and also of laws and ordinances, etc. than an average everyday citizen walking across a street?
This does not mean that police officers cannot exaggerate or been the law to meet their whimsical desires at any given moment but shall we only think negatively and pessimistically at every given moment about officers of the law? I believe we should give them the first benefit of the doubt and that if they tell somebody to please stop that that person should comply whether or not that person decides to adjudicate all by their Lonesome selves whether or not that police officer has any right to be asking them to stop.... let alone with a horrible disrespectful non compliant attitude to boot.
Doesn't matter how personally innocent you opine yourself to be..... we are not the judges & the Jurie's. Over the past 15 years people have taken it upon themselves to think they can tell law enforcement what to do. It is just an extension of that ridiculous sense of self entitlement.... it doesn't matter how personally innocent you o pine yourself to be or you a dJudicate yourself to be in your own mind.
The person in charge in that moment is the officer of the law who has the right to ask you (if he has reason, and it is not up to you to decide if he has reason) to please stop. Any law abiding citizen would simply comply with that knowing full well that they are innocent and that he will find nothing. But the moment you start walking away and saying f*** you f*** you get out of my face you have no reason to stop me f*** you that is when the problem enSues.
You and Gandalf once again have done a master flea British performance here and you have awaited the questions very clearly if you were walking in the street in an officer said excuse me could you come here for a moment are you both telling me and it is funny how you have not answer this question yet are you both telling me you would say f*** you I am in a sent you have no reason to stop me f*** you and then if the officers says if you do not stop right now I will take you down are you both still telling me that you would continue to walk away and say sorry you're not going to take me down because I have done nothing wrong? Why would you let it Escalade to that point? Only someone who is hiding something or someone with an attitude problem with someone was looking for trouble would let it escalate to that point? It's certainly brings doubt into the officers mind about what this person has to hide or why they're being so defensive cops were getting blown away left and right these days by people just hunting them down or calling 911 and then am pushing them when they arrive at the scene of a 911 call. Remember in this country lots of people carry guns the cops are on edge here
Re: "intelligent" man WON'T STOP when a COP orders him to STOP---guess what happened?
If the cop had just body-slammed him to the ground and put the cuffs on him, he would've been justified. Only a masochist in this day and age continues to walk and evade a cop's point-blank orders. But 20 punches to head, in an obvious blind rage, is inexcusable and equals assault and battery. Lawsuit and prison are the only effective messages to send here.
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If the cop had just body-slammed him to the ground and put the cuffs on him, he would've been justified. Only a masochist in this day and age continues to walk and evade a cop's point-blank orders. But 20 punches to head, in an obvious blind rage, is inexcusable and equals assault and battery. Lawsuit and prison are the only effective messages to send here.
I agree IF HE PUNCHED HIM FOR NO REASON.
As he took him down you can see he was still struggling and resisting.
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If the cop had just body-slammed him to the ground and put the cuffs on him, he would've been justified. Only a masochist in this day and age continues to walk and evade a cop's point-blank orders. But 20 punches to head, in an obvious blind rage, is inexcusable and equals assault and battery. Lawsuit and prison are the only effective messages to send here.
I agree IF HE PUNCHED HIM FOR NO REASON.
As he took him down you can see he was still struggling and resisting.
I guess we'll just agree to disagree.
He's got no business wearing a badge.
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TitoFan
If the cop had just body-slammed him to the ground and put the cuffs on him, he would've been justified. Only a masochist in this day and age continues to walk and evade a cop's point-blank orders. But 20 punches to head, in an obvious blind rage, is inexcusable and equals assault and battery. Lawsuit and prison are the only effective messages to send here.
I agree IF HE PUNCHED HIM FOR NO REASON.
As he took him down you can see he was still struggling and resisting.
I guess we'll just agree to disagree.
He's got no business wearing a badge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3XT_yAha5c
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Gandalf it is not up to you or the public to "adjudicate-on-the-spot" if they are doing anything wrong or not and then therefore give themselves the right to not comply with an officer's demands. YOu going on like you are the judge and jury combines, or you saying that that man who was stopped has the right to deem himself judge and jury and can therefore say FUCK OFF FUCK YOU to the cops demands, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS NUTS.BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT YOU FAIL TO SEE IT OR ADDRESS IT.
You just don't understand the criminal justice system or basic responsibility do you ? The Policeman is neither Judge nor Jury either. He or she is a public servant not an authority that can make unreasonable demands of a citizen. You have twisted everything around in order to justify somebody acting more like a thug than the guy he and you are casting as a criminal.
the only thing twisted is your knickers right up, mate, in a right old twist. The cop has the PRECEDENCE over the jaywalker. The cop cites him for jaywalking, you gotta go with the cop there, he knows the ordinances, whereas ordinary citizens do not know the ordinances. I believe him if he wants to enforce the jaywalking law at that time well oh fucking well HELL there aint much a WANNABE WEEKEND WARRIOR can do about it. Its the luck of the draw. I seen countless go thru a particular red light with no consequences but one day BOOM a cop will be there and decide WELL HELL that fucker just went thru a red light so BOOM, TICKET, SUMMONS, COURT DATE, you are not the fucking judge & jury mate, the cop is the LAW ENFORCER, not the sheep shagging cocksucking citizen, who knows FUCK ALL about ordinances and violations.
I never said I or the citizen was judge and jury, that is a position you have backed yourself into. You think you are the expert on everything. How many case files have you had to prepare? How many exhibits have you had to request? How many judges bundles have you had to check? How many courtrooms have you had to serve? How many police have you had to deal with on a daily basis? Way too full of yourself and assuming things of others whom you know nothing about.
mate you and Gandalf are deliberately evading my very excellent questions. If you can just address the questions maybe we can debate the issues instead of asking me if I have ever worked in a courtroom before.
Question number one. Do you agree that an officer of the law is usually much more knowledgeable of who may or may not be a suspect at any particular moment due to police communication over the radios in there police cars and also of laws and ordinances, etc. than an average everyday citizen walking across a street?
This does not mean that police officers cannot exaggerate or been the law to meet their whimsical desires at any given moment but shall we only think negatively and pessimistically at every given moment about officers of the law? I believe we should give them the first benefit of the doubt and that if they tell somebody to please stop that that person should comply whether or not that person decides to adjudicate all by their Lonesome selves whether or not that police officer has any right to be asking them to stop.... let alone with a horrible disrespectful non compliant attitude to boot.
Doesn't matter how personally innocent you opine yourself to be..... we are not the judges & the Jurie's. Over the past 15 years people have taken it upon themselves to think they can tell law enforcement what to do. It is just an extension of that ridiculous sense of self entitlement.... it doesn't matter how personally innocent you o pine yourself to be or you a dJudicate yourself to be in your own mind.
The person in charge in that moment is the officer of the law who has the right to ask you (if he has reason, and it is not up to you to decide if he has reason) to please stop. Any law abiding citizen would simply comply with that knowing full well that they are innocent and that he will find nothing. But the moment you start walking away and saying f*** you f*** you get out of my face you have no reason to stop me f*** you that is when the problem enSues.
You and Gandalf once again have done a master flea British performance here and you have awaited the questions very clearly if you were walking in the street in an officer said excuse me could you come here for a moment are you both telling me and it is funny how you have not answer this question yet are you both telling me you would say f*** you I am in a sent you have no reason to stop me f*** you and then if the officers says if you do not stop right now I will take you down are you both still telling me that you would continue to walk away and say sorry you're not going to take me down because I have done nothing wrong? Why would you let it Escalade to that point? Only someone who is hiding something or someone with an attitude problem with someone was looking for trouble would let it escalate to that point? It's certainly brings doubt into the officers mind about what this person has to hide or why they're being so defensive cops were getting blown away left and right these days by people just hunting them down or calling 911 and then am pushing them when they arrive at the scene of a 911 call. Remember in this country lots of people carry guns the cops are on edge here
What a load of waffle.
