Miles can you define 'actually had coronavirus' please.
Does said person need to have died? Been tested and confirmed? Or do we allow people as we would the flu, to say yeah Ive got some or all of the symptoms so therefor, I have/have had it?
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Miles can you define 'actually had coronavirus' please.
Does said person need to have died? Been tested and confirmed? Or do we allow people as we would the flu, to say yeah Ive got some or all of the symptoms so therefor, I have/have had it?
That is the tricky part. Many have been tested, so we would assume those people had or even have it, but if it is mild and not as serious as nade out then many might had had it and not known. Has anyone got really sick, so sick they could not breathe and needed a hospital? Walrus sounds the closest here, but anyone who got really sick and needed to be hospitalized would be quite a definite case. I don't know of anyone like that. My wife works for a large firm and nobody again, but there was a heart disease fatality today of a friend's husband which is fucking awful, but Corona? No. In a perverse way you just want to know who the people are. I know lots of foreigners with family stateside and in the UK. Nobody. There is sickness, but not Corona.
Does the absence of Coronavirus in your social circle mean or prove anything other than no one in your social circle has it or has had it? Is that minuscule slice of the World supposed to be representative of the remainder?
The goal posts on this have shifted and continue to shift as the true picture is painted. Echoed right here with the question does anyone know anyone that’s had it. To continue to support that narrative We now need to be related.
Let’s hope the answer to the question continues to be no.
Lottery winners are fake too, and people who successfully beat bookmakers. Mugs game. Mugs only. 10,000/1.
I like to put it into perspective. This will pass soon and few will have family who even had it. Everyone will have family who will die from cancer or heart disease. 10 years from now this will be a flash in the pan while cancer and heart disease continue to kill in much higher numbers as they are even now.Quote:
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It is nasty for some of course and I do not mock anyone's death or suffering. I just don't know anyone with it. My wife must have hundreds of friends and even someone in Daegu. I have less friends, but know a good 20 or so that all have family both here and back home and nothing.
Of course I hope it remains that way. I am a bit worried about Brock actually. Unless he is here, he has gone missing. Dia have you heard from the Brockster?
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I'm not being mean spirited here. If you say you and everyone you've listed had it, maybe you did.....MAYBE.....I'm dubious of your claim just due to the health issues you've listed for various family members before.
Now either this virus is "just the flu" OR "it's deadly if you've got comorbidities" it can't be both can it? Unless of course there's variations of the virus where it's not as bad for some folks.
Did any of you end up in the hospital? If not, that is MOST impressive given the comorbidities you've expressed in the past. And what your dad has to be up there in age as well, you're 50 that means he has got to be at the absolute VERY least what 66 or so? Did he require hospital? He didn't get tested if he WAS put in hospital? Does that seem right? Especially if the NHS is the best of the best in terms of care provided, you'd just think they'd have the tests and give them to people showing symptoms.
As of today 'The Guardian' says there's 142 cases in Plymouth
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-there-near-me
Looks like your area is hardly the hotbed of activity all things considered.
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Didn’t see fareed but isn’t the slightly over 3% death rate from the us statistics? Honestly I’m behind right now after tonight I’m off for a few days I can follow the wuhan news. My understanding is the us has a 3.2 death rate per 100k while China reports a.24% death rate for every 100k. I think it’s possible, not likely that I might have had this thing because I had a flu like no flu I ever had before. It was brutal. Of course it could have just been an intense case of the regular influenza. Anyway I think we are in overkill a bit. The entire country is not a hot spot. There are several areas that have very little if any cases of wuhan. I was talking to the nurses this morning and something is going on. Many of their coworkers caught wuhan and a couple died. Sad. What’s sad is we have bed opens at our place but we can not take anyone in due to the governors rules.
I get that, nothing wrong with perspective but this is almost like your there shouldn't be special Olympics claim on the basis that they aren't really the best so why bother? Do we relegate Alzheimer on the basis that it isn't as bad as a stroke? Stroke on the basis that it isn't heart disease?Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI like to put it into perspective. This will pass soon and few will have family who even had it. Everyone will have family who will die from cancer or heart disease. 10 years from now this will be a flash in the pan while cancer and heart disease continue to kill in much higher numbers as they are even now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
It is nasty for some of course and I do not mock anyone's death or suffering. I just don't know anyone with it. My wife must have hundreds of friends and even someone in Daegu. I have less friends, but know a good 20 or so that all have family both here and back home and nothing.
Of course I hope it remains that way. I am a bit worried about Brock actually. Unless he is here, he has gone missing. Dia have you heard from the Brockster?
You're having to shift the goal posts again and bring cancer or heart disease into the mix because despite being a decent sound bite to start with, the it's no worse than flu claim (I used it too) is becoming less and less sustainable and something far worse is now required to tow the line.
You're dubious of this claim due to previously mentioned health conditions? ;D Nah mate, not buying it unless one of you pops yer clogs.Quote:
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I'm not being mean spirited here. If you say you and everyone you've listed had it, maybe you did.....MAYBE.....I'm dubious of your claim just due to the health issues you've listed for various family members before.
Now either this virus is "just the flu" OR "it's deadly if you've got comorbidities" it can't be both can it? Unless of course there's variations of the virus where it's not as bad for some folks.
Did any of you end up in the hospital? If not, that is MOST impressive given the comorbidities you've expressed in the past. And what your dad has to be up there in age as well, you're 50 that means he has got to be at the absolute VERY least what 66 or so? Did he require hospital? He didn't get tested if he WAS put in hospital? Does that seem right? Especially if the NHS is the best of the best in terms of care provided, you'd just think they'd have the tests and give them to people showing symptoms.
As of today 'The Guardian' says there's 142 cases in Plymouth
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-there-near-me
Looks like your area is hardly the hotbed of activity all things considered.
It's from zero to death right? Some will be asymptomatic, some will get mild symptoms. Some will die, most will recover. Some with underlying conditions will be more at risk. No idea who you were quoting when you said it's either flu or deadly, that's just nuts. Probably taken out of context I reckon.
This is no worse than flu right? Would you be so keen to dismiss a claim of flu doing the rounds through a family? Google cases in my (someone elses ;D) area? Weird.
Cancer, heart conditions, Alzheimer's, etc.......... all diseases that come from genetically pre-disposed conditions, lifestyle, hereditary considerations, and other factors out of our control.
A virus is something you catch from someone else, through some type of social contact.
Can we stop comparing COVID statistics with those of cancer and heart attacks, FFS?
Thanks.
Are you trying to tell us what we can and can’t do?
TIC will have none of this!!!
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Well he himself doesn't know if in fact he/they had it. Apparently they weren't tested and if they weren't even tested I doubt they were in the hospital, though I've asked before saying 100% they weren't hospitalized.Quote:
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It's hard to tell due to how this has been reported. The reporting of it has been heavily politicized. Hell the death totals are heavily politicized people who test positive but die from other causes are listed as dying by the Chinese Coronavirus.Quote:
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Have you ever read what Beanz has said about his family? Do you think it's reasonable to believe they would be of the "asymptomatic" or "mild" cases? Ergo my questioning his claims. I'm not being mean, his story doesn't really add up for me.....I'm absolutely certain he'll take great offense to it and I apologize beforehand, but I doubt that helps.Quote:
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The flu can be deadly on it's own and the vaccine for the flu is maybe at best 30% effective. Now I'm taking Beanz at his word that his own health, the health of his family ain't the best, HE has said that, I haven't accused it, HE has said it...so again people who already have health issues getting this Chinese coronavirus and NOT getting tested by the lovely NHS, NOT being hospitalized...does that add up for me? No. Does it mean I can't be wrong in this case? No. I'm just dubious of the claim and I've explained why, what is that to you?
All that depends I guess. No because the flu is a lot more prevalent. I searched cases in several areas, this disease has hotspots or didn't you know that? The Lombardy region of Italy has been completely assfucked by the Chinese coronavirus whereas Umbria isn't having near the tough time. New York City is getting crushed here in the states but there's plenty of places which are doing just fine. London is getting hit hard as are the Midlands, but Wales and the Southwest are less impacted, Northern Ireland is less impacted....Weird huh?Quote:
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Originally Posted by Memphis
It is nasty for some of course and I do not mock anyone's death or suffering. I just don't know anyone with it. My wife must have hundreds of friends and even someone in Daegu. I have less friends, but know a good 20 or so that all have family both here and back home and nothing.
Of course I hope it remains that way. I am a bit worried about Brock actually. Unless he is here, he has gone missing. Dia have you heard from the Brockster?
I apologise to anyone but you reading this for having to multi-quote, which makes it seem like I am a bit simple or mentally challenged, but as usual you post 50 times in a row and it is the only way to address your bullshit and facetiousness.
I never said anything about it being mild, or having no symptoms or nobody requiring a visit to the hospital.
Yet in your first sentence alone you as usual just made up the idea that i had in order to continue on in your self obsessed fantasy world. And then you follow that by calling ME a liar ;D
And again nobody said asking who actually has, or has had it, is a terrible question, but you again had to pretend that was suggested, in order to avoid the simple fact that any question you have ever asked here has always been rhetorical. You are now in the habit of making up polls to disguise the fact, but it is still blindingly obvious to everyone that you don't really care what anyone actually says. You are only ever interested in having your own bias confirmed.
Plenty of posters here have already told you of knowing people, friends, colleagues etc who have had, or do have it, and some of those are in hospital, and in ICU, but here you are propagating the idea that they are liars. Why? because you never listen or read other posters contributions. You are more interested in quoting and talking to yourself.
So why accuse me of being hysterical for doing nothing more than calmly answering your question? Could it be that you don't want your cosy fantasy world shattered by the intrusion of reality and common sense?
It is amazing that you still think you and your wife not knowing anyone who has or has had it in a country where only 222 people have died, somehow puts you in a better position to judge perspective than those of us in the UK where 12, 107 have died or the States where 24, 537 have died. If anything that is just confirmation of just how deluded and detached from the reality for the majority of posters you really are.
Nobody is saying your country South Korea has not done an exemplary job in handling the pandemic, quite the opposite. So why pooh pooh and seek to mock people in your former country, or the states, where the leaders have dropped the ball and continue to fail their own citizens and health care workers, day in day out. Anyone would think your far right wing extremist ideaology is more important, than what would for most people be a very natural tendency toward empathy, and fellow feeling, in the face of such a unprecedented crisis.
Then you next sentence is again, just you making stuff up. Many have not been tested. You saying they have doesn't make it true. There are many, many people dying in nursing homes or at home who not only never got a test they do not make the figures after dying. Add to that the countless thousands suffering with it at home, who so desperate not to further burden an NHS, where people like my Mrs might not even be offered an ICU bed, (because she scores too highly on the dependency scale) and you can see how truly offensive your idea that people are just moaning too much is.
There are NHS workers being asked not to speak to the media with the fear of losing their jobs if they reveal how little PPE they have, and Journalists being warned not to ask Government minsters tricky questions, and yet you are that anal that you would rather question the figures than face the real conspiracies that are costing people their lives every day.
There is a post from a real old school Saddo veteran poster from here on social media that a few regulars have seen. In it he is lying in bed in a hospital warning others not to be flippant and dismissive. In that he says "All you conspiracy theorist I PROMISE this COvid 19 is not media hype or politicians looking for ways to scare the public".
He has no reason to lie about it and neither do i or the friends i know who have had it. Neither does my best mate from school who is a paramedic, and your suggestion that it is,even for those not needing hospitalization, "a mild thing" , is just so stupid i do not know where to begin in addressing it.
Weird that densely populated commercial hives are getting hit more than the arse end of nowhere? No, no not really.
You could assume that of just about anything no? You could confirm it with a cursory glance at a map. No real need to look into it in any detail to establish that.
I know Beanz has mentioned health issues in the past. I’m not as aware of them as you are clearly but I don’t see that it matters.
The young and healthy have died, old and unhealthy have survived. The fact the half a dozen people of varying ages and various states of health might have contracted this with no more than mild symptoms is hardly shocking is it?
You’re considering this no worse that flu right?
Replace Coronavirus with flu. Half a dozen people of various ages and states of health get and survive flu. Big fucking deal right?
Yet Coronavirus not so plausible?
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Oh ok, well next time I'll run the post by you before hand and let you edit it as opposed to post and then have you critique it.Quote:
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Well if you don't see how it matters I guess I'm wrong thenQuote:
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OK so the odds were the same then for the young and healthy vs the old and unhealthy across the board? Is that what you're telling me or are you telling me that there are outliers?Quote:
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I don't reckon we know for certain one way or another without testing being done.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...019-vs-the-fluQuote:
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Infections
COVID-19: Approximately 1,930,780 cases worldwide; 582,594 cases in the U.S. as of Apr. 14, 2020.*
Flu: Estimated 1 billion cases worldwide; 9.3 million to 45 million cases in the U.S. per year.
Deaths
COVID-19: Approximately 120,450 deaths reported worldwide; 23,649 deaths in the U.S., as of Apr. 14, 2020.*
Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year.
Well it seems that you're more likely by the numbers to CATCH "the flu" and it seems as though at this point you're more likely to die from Chinese coronavirus. Soooo what are the odds Beanz and his family all had the flu vs they all having the Chinese coronavirus? Just based on the numbers it's more likely they had the flu. Now you factor in that they 1) didn't get tested 2) apparently weren't in hospital and 3) none of them died......flu seems more likely just from a numbers standpoint.
But hey, you do you man, I'm open to them having had the Chinese coronavirus, I just think it's crazy lucky if they all had that and if any of them had serious health issues and none of them were tested for it and none were hospitalized (that we currently know of) that would certainly be good fortune on their part and/or mean that maybe the Chinese coronavirus is less dangerous than we have been lead to believe.
I posted this on another COVID thread 10 days ago.
Re: China, coronavirus etc
Not gonna start yet another thread on COVID-19, so I'll just use this one to put up some commonly accepted statistics:
Transmission Rate:
COVID-19: 1.5 to 3.5
Seasonal Flu: apx. 1.0
Fatality Rate:
COVID-19: 0.7 to 3.4%
Seasonal Flu: 0.1%
Hospitalization Rate:
COVID-19: apx. 20%
Seasonal Flu: apx. 2%
Not as deadly as SARS-CoV in 2003, and definitely not as deadly as MERS-CoV. But definitely not to be confused with the seasonal flu.
People may do with the statistics what they wish... some will choose to follow health authority guidelines and suggestions.... others will not.
Wishing a good health to all.
Here's the bottom line as far as I'm concerned. I deal with numbers. I'll use the ones I have available, trusting they're from a trustworthy source. I'll make my personal decisions based on those numbers.
These numbers, unless they have changed, say COVID-19 is anywhere from 2 to 4 times as contagious as the seasonal flu, and anywhere from 7 to 34 times deadlier.
None of this is to say what anyone should decide to do for themselves. Different governments have handled it way different. Yes.... crowded, populated cities of course are more vulnerable than sparsely populated rural areas.
Older, more susceptible folks are going to naturally be more careful and apprehensive than young healthy folks.
The only caveat here is that most young healthy adults have several older, more susceptible kin. That takes us back to the contagiousness of COVID.
This is the first pandemic ever for most of us, I would assume...... so reactions to it are certain to run the gamut.
And no............. thankfully I have no one in my family with the Corona virus, as of yet.
If anyone did have Chinese Coronavirus I'd be very interested as to their experience with it and what treatments they received for it.
Lyle I’ve no interest in censoring or editing your posts don’t be daft. We’re all grown ups for the most part. Some things we agree on some not, it’s cool.
I’m not here to answer or question whether beanz and his family had Coronavirus or anything else for that matter. They would appear to be fine, that’s all that matters.
Generally speaking. I think the flu is worse argument is running out of track. If it hasn’t already.
TIC got it. Told it to fuck off and that he wouldn’t be dictated to. It was all over very quickly.Quote:
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Well you seemingly were perturbed that I focused in on Plymouth like people don't know that's where Beanz is. He's got the Devon flag up, he's constantly on about Plymouth, so I guess I'm a little confused as to why it's so bad that I took the time to do a Google search which took me to a site that showed all different areas of where the Chinese coronavirus is spreading and the impact it's having. I'm just sharing facts I can find and my interpretation of these things.Quote:
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I'm pleased they're fine as well.
I can't ask a question? Is it indecent to? I mean if they actually had it then that is important information right? It's very pertinent to this topic is it not?
I am not noving the goalposts. You just did not see the goal posts to begin with. I have always asserted that in the US, for instance, 2.5 million die a year normally. Much of that death is from the common killers. By comparison these numbers are relatively low. In Europe asides from Germany it is a mess, but in some countries the numbers are actually very low and the rate of death not very high. It is not comparable to the great plague or the Spanish flu in terms of numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisI get that, nothing wrong with perspective but this is almost like your there shouldn't be special Olympics claim on the basis that they aren't really the best so why bother? Do we relegate Alzheimer on the basis that it isn't as bad as a stroke? Stroke on the basis that it isn't heart disease?Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI like to put it into perspective. This will pass soon and few will have family who even had it. Everyone will have family who will die from cancer or heart disease. 10 years from now this will be a flash in the pan while cancer and heart disease continue to kill in much higher numbers as they are even now.Quote:
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It is nasty for some of course and I do not mock anyone's death or suffering. I just don't know anyone with it. My wife must have hundreds of friends and even someone in Daegu. I have less friends, but know a good 20 or so that all have family both here and back home and nothing.
Of course I hope it remains that way. I am a bit worried about Brock actually. Unless he is here, he has gone missing. Dia have you heard from the Brockster?
You're having to shift the goal posts again and bring cancer or heart disease into the mix because despite being a decent sound bite to start with, the it's no worse than flu claim (I used it too) is becoming less and less sustainable and something far worse is now required to tow the line.
The Paralympics has nothing to do with this and is a pure decade old strawman point. But if you want to discuss that we can and I would just tell you that people are more interested in men's singles tennis than either the women's or the disabled. It is just how people are. They want to see the best. The crowds empty for less than that. It is how things are. I do not determine how empty Wimbledon is. That is the general public. Argue that with them. It is a different topic though.
It's about numbers. Cancer is not syphilis but we still care about the numbers and its impact. I do not know anyone with syphilis either, though I have wondered about some.Quote:
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Fuck. Here we go. In sweeps Gladys with a poll up her arse and an allergy to any reality that doesn't involve a helmet of mirrors and an adoring camp personal assistant in a gimp suit greasing up her next arse candle.
Thousands have had it here and I do not know of anybof them. That is just a fact. Do I deny it is out there and that it affects some people badly? Not at all. I just want to know who here has any family or extended family with it. The answer is still no.
You can argue about low death rates, but I have never asked if you know someone who has died from it, just a more mild do you know anyone who has had it? Again you twist and turn like a demented snake Beanz when your answer is likely a no. You just won't commit to it.
Your claim that everyone in your family has it is either a lie or proof that you didn't take distancing and self responsibility seriously. Make up your mind, stop waffling, and stay on topic.
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Beautiful response. That was all I was hoping for and if someone said yes, they would have my understanding too. I have no idea what the hysteria is all about, but it is in every thread nowadays.Quote:
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Originally Posted by GandalfI like to put it into perspective. This will pass soon and few will have family who even had it. Everyone will have family who will die from cancer or heart disease. 10 years from now this will be a flash in the pan while cancer and heart disease continue to kill in much higher numbers as they are even now.Quote:
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It is nasty for some of course and I do not mock anyone's death or suffering. I just don't know anyone with it. My wife must have hundreds of friends and even someone in Daegu. I have less friends, but know a good 20 or so that all have family both here and back home and nothing.
Of course I hope it remains that way. I am a bit worried about Brock actually. Unless he is here, he has gone missing. Dia have you heard from the Brockster?
I apologise to anyone but you reading this for having to multi-quote, which makes it seem like I am a bit simple or mentally challenged, but as usual you post 50 times in a row and it is the only way to address your bullshit and facetiousness.
I never said anything about it being mild, or having no symptoms or nobody requiring a visit to the hospital.
Yet in your first sentence alone you as usual just made up the idea that i had in order to continue on in your self obsessed fantasy world. And then you follow that by calling ME a liar ;D
And again nobody said asking who actually has, or has had it, is a terrible question, but you again had to pretend that was suggested, in order to avoid the simple fact that any question you have ever asked here has always been rhetorical. You are now in the habit of making up polls to disguise the fact, but it is still blindingly obvious to everyone that you don't really care what anyone actually says. You are only ever interested in having your own bias confirmed.
Plenty of posters here have already told you of knowing people, friends, colleagues etc who have had, or do have it, and some of those are in hospital, and in ICU, but here you are propagating the idea that they are liars. Why? because you never listen or read other posters contributions. You are more interested in quoting and talking to yourself.
So why accuse me of being hysterical for doing nothing more than calmly answering your question? Could it be that you don't want your cosy fantasy world shattered by the intrusion of reality and common sense?
It is amazing that you still think you and your wife not knowing anyone who has or has had it in a country where only 222 people have died, somehow puts you in a better position to judge perspective than those of us in the UK where 12, 107 have died or the States where 24, 537 have died. If anything that is just confirmation of just how deluded and detached from the reality for the majority of posters you really are.
Nobody is saying your country South Korea has not done an exemplary job in handling the pandemic, quite the opposite. So why pooh pooh and seek to mock people in your former country, or the states, where the leaders have dropped the ball and continue to fail their own citizens and health care workers, day in day out. Anyone would think your far right wing extremist ideaology is more important, than what would for most people be a very natural tendency toward empathy, and fellow feeling, in the face of such a unprecedented crisis.
Then you next sentence is again, just you making stuff up. Many have not been tested. You saying they have doesn't make it true. There are many, many people dying in nursing homes or at home who not only never got a test they do not make the figures after dying. Add to that the countless thousands suffering with it at home, who so desperate not to further burden an NHS, where people like my Mrs might not even be offered an ICU bed, (because she scores too highly on the dependency scale) and you can see how truly offensive your idea that people are just moaning too much is.
There are NHS workers being asked not to speak to the media with the fear of losing their jobs if they reveal how little PPE they have, and Journalists being warned not to ask Government minsters tricky questions, and yet you are that anal that you would rather question the figures than face the real conspiracies that are costing people their lives every day.
There is a post from a real old school Saddo veteran poster from here on social media that a few regulars have seen. In it he is lying in bed in a hospital warning others not to be flippant and dismissive. In that he says "All you conspiracy theorist I PROMISE this COvid 19 is not media hype or politicians looking for ways to scare the public".
He has no reason to lie about it and neither do i or the friends i know who have had it. Neither does my best mate from school who is a paramedic, and your suggestion that it is,even for those not needing hospitalization, "a mild thing" , is just so stupid i do not know where to begin in addressing it.
I answered the question on page 3. Which again proves how little you really care about what anyone but you or those who sustain your fantasy, actually say.
That you don't even care about the answers to the questions you pose in a situation like this one, is a pretty damning indictment of how little you care about anyone here really.
Do we need to bring you a body or something?
Do you actually think anyone even cares what you believe? It makes absolutely no difference. Like the other conspiracy theory sheeple you follow, lack of evidence for any of your ludicrous theories, just becomes proof in your eyes of an even bigger cover up.
Nice way of avoiding all your points being addressed though. Just play pretend, and for you it goes away.
Mental.
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Like i said, just like El Kabong, you have already made your mind up, so it makes absolutely no difference that i have already answered your question.
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No... it's about apples and oranges.
To me, it's pointless to mention cancer and heart attacks when talking about COVID-19.
An apples to apples comparison would be the flu, and we've already seen how the numbers go. THAT's where I would agree it's about the numbers.... when comparing apples and apples.
Syphilis is a sexually-transmitted disease and belongs even less in the conversation.
Frankly... I don't know where all of this is supposed to lead. If it's to minimize COVID-19 as a pandemic and a major threat to people's health and lives....... no..... I'm not on board.
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What a surprise. :vd:
Like i said, just like El Kabong, you have already made your mind up, so it makes absolutely no difference that i have already answered your question.
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No... it's about apples and oranges.
To me, it's pointless to mention cancer and heart attacks when talking about COVID-19.
An apples to apples comparison would be the flu, and we've already seen how the numbers go. THAT's where I would agree it's about the numbers.... when comparing apples and apples.
Syphilis is a sexually-transmitted disease and belongs even less in the conversation.
Frankly... I don't know where all of this is supposed to lead. If it's to minimize COVID-19 as a pandemic and a major threat to people's health and lives....... no..... I'm not on board.
That is absolutely what it is about. That and to make all about EL Kabongs fucking rights and Gladys' Ego.
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No... it's about apples and oranges.
To me, it's pointless to mention cancer and heart attacks when talking about COVID-19.
An apples to apples comparison would be the flu, and we've already seen how the numbers go. THAT's where I would agree it's about the numbers.... when comparing apples and apples.
Syphilis is a sexually-transmitted disease and belongs even less in the conversation.
Frankly... I don't know where all of this is supposed to lead. If it's to minimize COVID-19 as a pandemic and a major threat to people's health and lives....... no..... I'm not on board.
That is absolutely what it is about. That and to make all about EL Kabongs fucking rights and Gladys' Ego.
So, if you are telling the truth Beanz and that several people in a town where 142 cases are confirmed are your own family then you have my sympathy and I am sorry that you appear to be so incredibly unlucky. The odds of calamity always seem to be on your side.
Still, by the sounds of it they have all been okay and no emergency care needed. If it really was Covid, you should CT scan the lungs and check for permanent damage. It can come back fairly easily.
Please stay safe and avoid people.
Lyle. Not perturbed. Just interested. As an aside, this recent fashion of feeling like we’ve upset another poster or made them angry I also find Interesting in an odd way. Anyway....
By all means ask whatever you like. Say whatever you like. I don’t really care. My only interest was the why. Why you felt the need to ask those questions in the first place or google statistics to support an argument that if this is no more or less than flu, didn’t really need asking or googling.
If I said my whole family had the flu, you wouldn’t waste any time or effort looking into it, right? I hope not anyway.
I’m not trying to prove or disprove anything.
Just to make it crystal clear. I have no idea if i have had the corona virus or whether my Mrs, or anyone else in our family, who has been ill over the last 6 weeks has. There is no test available until you are hospitalised by it. The last time i have been more ill was about 6 or 7 years ago and then i ended up in the back of an Ambulance. Myself and the Mrs came back from Holiday to find one week later that the Hotel directly opposite to the one we stayed in was locked down full of people with Corona virus symptoms. They could not leave the Hotel or fly home.
All of us have had the flu several times before, and i can assure it was not the flu, whatever it was. At no point was any of our breathing bad enough to call for an ambulance but that does not mean we just had a bit of a cold either. I don't want to tempt fate or fuck about when perfectly healthy people a lot younger and fitter than me are dying alone in hospital, so I can literally say hand on heart, I do not know.
Also i want to be clear that this misguided idea about living in areas that are not so densely populated. You can not extrapolate from that some kind of theory that pretends it is safer. There are far fewer ICU beds (barely double figures for the whole of Cornwall) and critical care units, and with quite an elderly retired population the pressure on regional hospitals in rural areas is massive. That is why second home owners have been told to stay in their first homes.
Also thanks El Kabong for thinking that none of us dying proves your stupid little theory, ignoring the fact that perfectly healthy people are dying from it whilst the majority, even with pre-existing health conditions make a good recovery.
They think.
Also if you and Gandalf think that it is so likely that i and my family and loved ones would probably die if we had it, why were you both so keen to call me a scardy cat and a coward and a baby etc? :-\ ;D
The crazy thing is that i have been anything but hysterical. Not here, not in my everyday life. I have to carry on. You don't get a day off when you are a carer , You don't get classed as vulnerable by the Government even if you literally cannot get out without support to shop etc. So my Mrs does not qualify for free deliveries or any help even if i am bed bound, and yet if she had to go to hospital they would score her high enough to put someone else in an ICU bed ahead of her if numbers were tight, which they are. So yeah ...fucking lecture me about responsibility and social distancing Gladys why not?
I mean if I am ill again who is going to help the Mrs wash her one hand? something as simple as that. We have an automatic dispenser but it is virtually impossible to work up enough lather with one hand to wash off any viral traces. For the disabled this is doubly scary. Yet she isn't scared she is far braver than you will ever be. She has been in an ICU unit for months, been in a coma, had to learn how to walk, talk, eat etc so she really goes at life with no fear. I would not dare be a coward when living with someone like that.
You plum.
the flu didn't shutdown the world. titofan can we compare it with tuberculosis? i thought we cared about saving lives. things causing the most lives should be dealt with, no? what about starvation? there is already a cure, it's called food. i heard the american surgeon general & the coronavirus task force had dumped the gates, cdc, who model. don't know if that's true but i can tell you that the lockdowns will cause more damage than the virus
Oh Goody, Look it's fucking John Rambo ready to give us all a war we will never forget. Look out he may throw tinned food at you
So the fact that there's SIGNIFICANTLY more cases of seasonal flu doesn't impact your belief at all? Even when there's no test done for Chinese Coronavirus?Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
I mean if that's what you think fine, just seems a bit of a jump to conclusions to me.