Joe Calzaghe now no. 3 in Ring Mag's latest P4P rankings

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Originally Posted by Unknowndonor

Floyd must have slept with JLAQ's girlfriend. It's one thing to root for you're favorite fighter, and boo you're least favorite, but to say that every fighter Floyd has fought is a bum, and to say Pac has fought all the greatest is completely ridiculous.

As for Joe, I got him three right now. Floyd is one, Pac- a very close second until Floyd decides to fight finally, and Joe. JMM and Pac r like a 2-headed monster, and should be tied, but with Pac escaping with the win, JMM falls 1. I put Joe ahead of him simply because,(with the exception of manfredo), his last fights have all been against champs. Overrated or not, they were champs, that were undefeated, and now he beat the concensus #1 light heavy, who is ranked as a p4p fighter,regardless of age, or any other excuse. All Joe has been doing is taking belts, and titles, he has no losses or draws. Although I think some of the other fighters might be better skilled, Joe has done enough lately, and others have lost.Just my opinion.

Yes, Floyd beats a 43 yr old BHOP, p4p, and doesn't get dropped.

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JFag doesn't like girls. So there is noway that can happen

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by Unknowndonor

Floyd must have slept with JLAQ's girlfriend. It's one thing to root for you're favorite fighter, and boo you're least favorite, but to say that every fighter Floyd has fought is a bum, and to say Pac has fought all the greatest is completely ridiculous.

As for Joe, I got him three right now. Floyd is one, Pac- a very close second until Floyd decides to fight finally, and Joe. JMM and Pac r like a 2-headed monster, and should be tied, but with Pac escaping with the win, JMM falls 1. I put Joe ahead of him simply because,(with the exception of manfredo), his last fights have all been against champs. Overrated or not, they were champs, that were undefeated, and now he beat the concensus #1 light heavy, who is ranked as a p4p fighter,regardless of age, or any other excuse. All Joe has been doing is taking belts, and titles, he has no losses or draws. Although I think some of the other fighters might be better skilled, Joe has done enough lately, and others have lost.Just my opinion.

Yes, Floyd beats a 43 yr old BHOP, p4p, and doesn't get dropped.

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JFag doesn't like girls. So there is noway that can happen

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That's the fifth time you discussed my sexuality today. Sorry, not interested.

It´s silly to suggest Joe doesn´t belong in the top 10. Obviously he does. It´s also wrong to suggest he should be higher than 3. It´s a POUND FOR POUND list. If Mayweather and Pacquio (I can never spell his name) were natural supermiddles, they would both destroy Joe. Also, a lot of people want to make these lists into popularity contests, which they are not. People hate Mayweather and I can understand why, but he is easily the number one pound for pound. The race is not close. And that´s based on skill AND accomplishment. It´s like when Whitaker was number one and very disliked. But it was impossible to argue against his ranking, without sounding silly

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

Pac scored 5 wins against 3 future HOFers, 10 KDs and 3 KOs combined.

Calzaghe got floored by a 43 year old future HOFer, and won by SD. I have no problem with him being in #3. But to those people who says he should take Pac's place are just being rediculous.

Btw, Miguel Cotto should be at #4, and Israel Vazquez at 5.

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I agree. Cotto should be in number 4. Hopkins in number 7.

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Originally Posted by JLAQ

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Originally Posted by Unknowndonor

The second fight against Erik was a good fight, Pac was just better, the third, he was owned, but he still lost one, so he didn't own Erik, just the third fight.

JMM- the first fight, besides the first round, JMM owned Pac. And yes, he got dropped, but was never close to being knocked out. Alot of boxers get dropped, that doesn't mean they were "owned".

I like Pac alot, but to clear the air, Floyd would have never lost to the guys Pac did, including Erik, that's why he's number 1.

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:rolleyes:

Floyd lost to Castillo who is not in the league of a Marco Antonio Barrera. You're just hating.

You live in a world where the Manfredys and Corleys of boxing are better than the Sasakuls and Ledwabas. Sadly, that belongs to a close-minded type of thinking where foreign boxers are taken out of the equation. Sure tells us a lot of your boxing knowledge which can only be characterized as provincial.

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Floyd has shoulder problems in the first fight with Castillo. He beat him realtively comfortably the second time around although ironically the judges had it closer.

And we have to remember that the first Castillo fight was Floyd on his worst night. So Floyd Mayweather in the worst fight of his entire professional career still won a decision, moving up in weight against a probable future Hall of Famer ;)

Barrera's worst nights included getting stopped by Junior Jones and getting knocked the fuck out by Manny Pacquaio.

Pacquaio himself has been knocked out twice and lost a third time.


I just don't get how people pick on Floyd's worst performance as a professional, where he still won and think it refelcts badly on him, whilst completely overlooking the fact guys like Barrera and Pacquaio have multiple losses and have both been knocked out.

And for the record I agree that Castillo is not in the same league as Barrera BUT he sure ranks a lot higher than Junior Jones ;)

No way on earth is Hatton pound for pound better than Wright or Oscar.

These lists are usually sh1te, but for those who say Joe doesn't deserve his place, can you tell us what more he can do and who else he has to beat.

Everybody said he must fight Lacy - he fought and beat him
Everybody said he must fight Kessler - he fought and beat him
Everybody said he must fight B-Hop - he fought and beat him

Regardless of what you think of his earlier career, he has fought the top 3 guys (whatever you think of Lacy with hindsight) that he could possibly have fought, if that doesn't deserve his status in the p4p list what does?

Even VD has him at number 5 FFS ;D

Joes is top 5 p4p whatever anyone says - he has the evidence to back it up. Mayweather is without doubt #1, after that you could argue between Joe, Manny, Marquez etc.. as to who deserves the 2 slot (Let's not forget that Joe is only one unbeaten ;)). All would be valid cases.

Those who say he shouldn't be anywhere near the top ten then sorry but you don't know boxing.

With a record of 45-0 (and it certainly isn't a say Darius Mizchaelzewski or Brian Nielsen pumped up type record is it) how can anyone argue otheriwse. He is 4 wins off the greatest record of all time (and I am not talking about Los Del Rio's 'Macarena' here)

Him and Mayweather are only long standing champs unbeaten - Cotto and Pavlik may join them in time, who knows...

What does Joe have to do now to prove his doubters wrong ? Pavlik or Jones arfe only real options

He is well worthy of the #3 p4p slot

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Originally Posted by piye

No way on earth is Hatton pound for pound better than Wright or Oscar.

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Hatton is currently recognised as the best light welter on the planet.
It's been a long time since Oscar was a world champ let alone universally recognised.
Winky may have had a claim tyo being the best Light Middle and middle in the world a few years ago, but what's he done since drawing with Taylor?

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Originally Posted by amat

I would put him at 4 but to be honest, I've really soured on these P4P deals, do not like them much at all anymore. It seems like splitting hairs and pointless to compare fighters from different weight divisions and the lack of criteria really turned me off these.

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I have the same problem with p4p lists - no clear criteria for determining the rankings. They mean completely diffrent things for different people.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

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Originally Posted by piye

No way on earth is Hatton pound for pound better than Wright or Oscar.

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Hatton is currently recognised as the best light welter on the planet.
It's been a long time since Oscar was a world champ let alone universally recognised.
Winky may have had a claim tyo being the best Light Middle and middle in the world a few years ago, but what's he done since drawing with Taylor?

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This is P4P not what have you done lately. it all about who beats who P4P.

In my opinion , i think that Joe need to do more for be classified in the Top 10 P4P , probably we will place him , but cmon not in the Top , he just came yesterday to fight with the Best of the World in US , in where have the most of Best Boxers of the World in his Div.......

THAT IS MY OPINION AND I RESPECT YOURS.......:cool:

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Originally Posted by JLAQ

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by JLAQ

Yeah. Floyd at top spot, that is. That's why no credible fan regards the Ring highly anymore. It has become so partisan and subjective. Floyd at number 1? Fukking BS.

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Then who do you consider as no. 1 P4P ?

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Either the British Bomber or the Man from Manila.

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here is mine

1. Mayweather.......no one is really close.
2. Pacquiao
3. Cotto
4. Marquez
5. Calzaghe

The 3rd Brit to go in will be David Haye. He has obliterated one division, and now he is about to embark to his second.

I can't debate the Ring's opinion on their p4p list as it is just that their collective opinion.

What is interesting to me is BoxRec's p4p list look at their top 10 (mind you this is done strictly by technical analysis)

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Joe Calzaghe
3. Kelly Pavlik
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Israel Vazquez
6. Manny Paquiao
7. Juan Manuel Marquez
8. Rafa Marquez
9. Winky Wright
10.Wladimir Klitschko

They don't even have Cotto in the top 10

Back to the topic at hand, I don't have a problem with Joe at #3 p4p, once Cotto has been around a little longer he will certainly dethrone him.