Dunston was underrated. He had a fukking cannon for an arm. But you reaching on Herr. He was good. But Alomar smashes him. Easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
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Dunston was underrated. He had a fukking cannon for an arm. But you reaching on Herr. He was good. But Alomar smashes him. Easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Herr had Ozzie fucking Smith next to him.....Herr could have gone to the can and Ozzie would have turned two most of the time
Exactly. Smith covered a lot of his mistakes. Not exactly something you brag about on Herr's behalfQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Robbie had Omar Vizquel and Cal Ripken for the best years of his career...he didn't do much for the Blue JaysQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Alomar didn't spend a lot of time on the same team with Tony Fernandez. At least not with Toronto. He came to the Jays from San Diego with Joe Carter for Fernandez and McGriff. Anyways, from 1991-1995, in Toronto, Alomar did win 5 Gold Gloves and averaged .307, not to mention the two world series in 92 & 93, for whatever that all is worth.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleRobbie had Omar Vizquel and Cal Ripken for the best years of his career...he didn't do much for the Blue JaysQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Toronto won those by pitching....GREAT staff Cone, Wells, Morris...not to mention the bullpen they had! MIKE TIMLIN....my boy!!!!
Sure they had great pitching. Lets not forget relievers Tom Henke and Duane Ward. But they also had awesome hitting as well. with guys like Winfield, Paul Molitor, Alomar, Joe Carter, George Bell, Olerud, Gruber, Fernandez briefly in '93. Let's not forget the best defensive center fielder in the game, Devon White. The two glory years of 92 & 93 the had three or four guys all hitting well over .300 and 100 RBIs. They particulary showed strong late inning offense in the first playoffs against stoppers such as Oakland's Dennis Eckersley and Atlanta's Jeff Reardon. Alomar himself hit a huge 2-run homer vs Eckersley to tie a very key ALCS game in the 9th inning. He also showed some excellent baserunning. Not to the mention the Jays blowing the doors off of the Phillies closer Mitch "Wild Thing" Williams the following year. Honestly, I can't remember what the infield defense did during those World series. But Alomar with all those Gold gloves was an awesome 2nd baseman for Toronto, let there be no doubt about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
....sorry, I don't rate him
Whatever. I'm just tellin ya what he did.
You on your own here Lyle. Alomar is a 12 time all star. 10 time gold glove winner. He also has won 4 silver slugger awards. He's a future hall of famer. How can you not rate him but rate a scrub like Tom Herr?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
No Ozzie was not 10 times that of Vizquel the only thing you can say Ozzie had that was definitively better in the field then Vizquel was an arm. Vizquel has never had a great arm.
I'm sorry but any Vizquel highlight reel can go P4P with Ozzie's and he has the most double plays turned. He's been in the league 19 years now and he still has the best fielding percentage of all time.
I don't have a problem with anyone saying Ozzie was a better shortstop but no way he is 10 times better then Vizquel that's insulting.
Alomar is NOT getting in the Hall....end of discussion!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
OK Vizquel is one of the FEW players who can get in the Hall based solely on defense. He has better stas than Ozzie fielding but I would take any number of SS over Vizquel
clearly your grievance against Alomar must be based on something other than baseball accomplishments, and it's pretty obvious what that is, but that's understandable I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleAlomar is NOT getting in the Hall....end of discussion!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
OK Vizquel is one of the FEW players who can get in the Hall based solely on defense. He has better stas than Ozzie fielding but I would take any number of SS over Vizquel
End of discussion!!!
Lyle is just ignorant sometimes
the problem is he dosent realize just because you dont like something or believe it, dosent mean it aint true...
I can understand someone thinking Alomar is a comlete dick, no problem there, but he was awesome for a lot of years, and very popular before that dustup with the umpire. but there's no doubting Alomar's skills. I'm not sure I've seen a better second baseman.