Damn! Roberto Alomar has AIDS?

[El Kabong]

Exactly. Smith covered a lot of his mistakes. Not exactly something you brag about on Herr's behalf

Robbie had Omar Vizquel and Cal Ripken for the best years of his career...he didn't do much for the Blue Jays

[CGM]

Exactly. Smith covered a lot of his mistakes. Not exactly something you brag about on Herr's behalf

Robbie had Omar Vizquel and Cal Ripken for the best years of his career...he didn't do much for the Blue Jays

Alomar didn't spend a lot of time on the same team with Tony Fernandez. At least not with Toronto. He came to the Jays from San Diego with Joe Carter for Fernandez and McGriff. Anyways, from 1991-1995, in Toronto, Alomar did win 5 Gold Gloves and averaged .307, not to mention the two world series in 92 & 93, for whatever that all is worth.

[El Kabong]

Toronto won those by pitching....GREAT staff Cone, Wells, Morris...not to mention the bullpen they had! MIKE TIMLIN....my boy!!!!

[CGM]

Toronto won those by pitching....GREAT staff Cone, Wells, Morris...not to mention the bullpen they had! MIKE TIMLIN....my boy!!!!

Sure they had great pitching. Lets not forget relievers Tom Henke and Duane Ward. But they also had awesome hitting as well. with guys like Winfield, Paul Molitor, Alomar, Joe Carter, George Bell, Olerud, Gruber, Fernandez briefly in '93. Let's not forget the best defensive center fielder in the game, Devon White. The two glory years of 92 & 93 the had three or four guys all hitting well over .300 and 100 RBIs. They particulary showed strong late inning offense in the first playoffs against stoppers such as Oakland's Dennis Eckersley and Atlanta's Jeff Reardon. Alomar himself hit a huge 2-run homer vs Eckersley to tie a very key ALCS game in the 9th inning. He also showed some excellent baserunning. Not to the mention the Jays blowing the doors off of the Phillies closer Mitch "Wild Thing" Williams the following year. Honestly, I can't remember what the infield defense did during those World series. But Alomar with all those Gold gloves was an awesome 2nd baseman for Toronto, let there be no doubt about that.

[El Kabong]

....sorry, I don't rate him

[CGM]

Whatever. I'm just tellin ya what he did.

[Violent Demise]

....sorry, I don't rate him

You on your own here Lyle. Alomar is a 12 time all star. 10 time gold glove winner. He also has won 4 silver slugger awards. He's a future hall of famer. How can you not rate him but rate a scrub like Tom Herr?

[amat]

No Ozzie was not 10 times that of Vizquel the only thing you can say Ozzie had that was definitively better in the field then Vizquel was an arm. Vizquel has never had a great arm.

I'm sorry but any Vizquel highlight reel can go P4P with Ozzie's and he has the most double plays turned. He's been in the league 19 years now and he still has the best fielding percentage of all time.

I don't have a problem with anyone saying Ozzie was a better shortstop but no way he is 10 times better then Vizquel that's insulting.

[El Kabong]

You on your own here Lyle. Alomar is a 12 time all star. 10 time gold glove winner. He also has won 4 silver slugger awards. He's a future hall of famer. How can you not rate him but rate a scrub like Tom Herr?

Alomar is NOT getting in the Hall....end of discussion!


OK Vizquel is one of the FEW players who can get in the Hall based solely on defense. He has better stas than Ozzie fielding but I would take any number of SS over Vizquel