Damn! Roberto Alomar has AIDS?

[Violent Demise]

So you guys aren't even giving me

Alan Trammell-Lou Whittaker
Ozzie Smith-Tom Herr
Shawn Dunston-Ryne Sandberg


I watched those guys....and I don't know what kind of fools you are but Ozzie Smith was 10 times better than Omar Vizquel. Robbie Alomar wasn't all that at 2nd base either, anytime he played on a team they already had a GREAT shortstop Vizquel, CAL RIPKIN....Tony Fernandez was a damn good player as well.

Dunston was underrated. He had a fukking cannon for an arm. But you reaching on Herr. He was good. But Alomar smashes him. Easily.

[El Kabong]

Herr had Ozzie fucking Smith next to him.....Herr could have gone to the can and Ozzie would have turned two most of the time

[Violent Demise]

Herr had Ozzie fucking Smith next to him.....Herr could have gone to the can and Ozzie would have turned two most of the time

Exactly. Smith covered a lot of his mistakes. Not exactly something you brag about on Herr's behalf

[El Kabong]

Exactly. Smith covered a lot of his mistakes. Not exactly something you brag about on Herr's behalf

Robbie had Omar Vizquel and Cal Ripken for the best years of his career...he didn't do much for the Blue Jays

[CGM]

Exactly. Smith covered a lot of his mistakes. Not exactly something you brag about on Herr's behalf

Robbie had Omar Vizquel and Cal Ripken for the best years of his career...he didn't do much for the Blue Jays

Alomar didn't spend a lot of time on the same team with Tony Fernandez. At least not with Toronto. He came to the Jays from San Diego with Joe Carter for Fernandez and McGriff. Anyways, from 1991-1995, in Toronto, Alomar did win 5 Gold Gloves and averaged .307, not to mention the two world series in 92 & 93, for whatever that all is worth.

[El Kabong]

Toronto won those by pitching....GREAT staff Cone, Wells, Morris...not to mention the bullpen they had! MIKE TIMLIN....my boy!!!!

[CGM]

Toronto won those by pitching....GREAT staff Cone, Wells, Morris...not to mention the bullpen they had! MIKE TIMLIN....my boy!!!!

Sure they had great pitching. Lets not forget relievers Tom Henke and Duane Ward. But they also had awesome hitting as well. with guys like Winfield, Paul Molitor, Alomar, Joe Carter, George Bell, Olerud, Gruber, Fernandez briefly in '93. Let's not forget the best defensive center fielder in the game, Devon White. The two glory years of 92 & 93 the had three or four guys all hitting well over .300 and 100 RBIs. They particulary showed strong late inning offense in the first playoffs against stoppers such as Oakland's Dennis Eckersley and Atlanta's Jeff Reardon. Alomar himself hit a huge 2-run homer vs Eckersley to tie a very key ALCS game in the 9th inning. He also showed some excellent baserunning. Not to the mention the Jays blowing the doors off of the Phillies closer Mitch "Wild Thing" Williams the following year. Honestly, I can't remember what the infield defense did during those World series. But Alomar with all those Gold gloves was an awesome 2nd baseman for Toronto, let there be no doubt about that.

[El Kabong]

....sorry, I don't rate him

[CGM]

Whatever. I'm just tellin ya what he did.

[Violent Demise]

....sorry, I don't rate him

You on your own here Lyle. Alomar is a 12 time all star. 10 time gold glove winner. He also has won 4 silver slugger awards. He's a future hall of famer. How can you not rate him but rate a scrub like Tom Herr?

[amat]

No Ozzie was not 10 times that of Vizquel the only thing you can say Ozzie had that was definitively better in the field then Vizquel was an arm. Vizquel has never had a great arm.

I'm sorry but any Vizquel highlight reel can go P4P with Ozzie's and he has the most double plays turned. He's been in the league 19 years now and he still has the best fielding percentage of all time.

I don't have a problem with anyone saying Ozzie was a better shortstop but no way he is 10 times better then Vizquel that's insulting.

[El Kabong]

You on your own here Lyle. Alomar is a 12 time all star. 10 time gold glove winner. He also has won 4 silver slugger awards. He's a future hall of famer. How can you not rate him but rate a scrub like Tom Herr?

Alomar is NOT getting in the Hall....end of discussion!


OK Vizquel is one of the FEW players who can get in the Hall based solely on defense. He has better stas than Ozzie fielding but I would take any number of SS over Vizquel

[CGM]

You on your own here Lyle. Alomar is a 12 time all star. 10 time gold glove winner. He also has won 4 silver slugger awards. He's a future hall of famer. How can you not rate him but rate a scrub like Tom Herr?

Alomar is NOT getting in the Hall....end of discussion!


OK Vizquel is one of the FEW players who can get in the Hall based solely on defense. He has better stas than Ozzie fielding but I would take any number of SS over Vizquel

clearly your grievance against Alomar must be based on something other than baseball accomplishments, and it's pretty obvious what that is, but that's understandable I guess.

End of discussion!!!

[JT Rock]

Lyle is just ignorant sometimes

the problem is he dosent realize just because you dont like something or believe it, dosent mean it aint true...

[CGM]

I can understand someone thinking Alomar is a comlete dick, no problem there, but he was awesome for a lot of years, and very popular before that dustup with the umpire. but there's no doubting Alomar's skills. I'm not sure I've seen a better second baseman.