Re: Cotto's welterweight belt is on the line!!!
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You guys bitching and moaning about the weight and split can save it. No one forced Cotto to take the fight. He has a team of negotiators who settled on those terms with the Paquiao camp. If Cotto and his team are satisfied with the terms, then there's no reason anyone else should care. 145 is a welterweight fight by definition, period. It's perfectly legitimate for the belt to be at stake and Cotto doesn't have a problem with it.
Hey Cotto and PAC can negotiate and fight at whatever weight they agree to that's fine, that's not the problem I have with this. MY problem is that this is for a title. It is not up to PAC and Cotto to determine what the welterweight limit is. If it's going to be for a welterweight title Cotto should be able to come in at the WW limit. Everything else the purse split, and all other negotiations, I could care less about. It should be a great fight and entertaining, but it shouldn't be a title fight. If PAC wins it's not like he's going to defend the title anyway.
that's the main thing that pisses me off, if Manny actually wins the title what is gonna do? call for bullshit catchweights for every fucking title defense? he needs to man up and fight a full fledged welter who's able to make the limit especially when that full fledged welterweight is champion
If future opponents agree to the catchweight then why the hell should anyone care? Nobody has to agree to that, it isn't like they have a gun to their head. It's not like he's Mayweather making small guys come up to him. Manny is still going up to the bigger guys even if it is a catchweight.
Re: Cotto's welterweight belt is on the line!!!
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The weight limit is NOT what makes this a welterweight fight. It is a welterweight fight because it is a fight over 140 and below 147. That is the definition of a welterweight fight. Period. That means the belt being at stake is perfectly legit. And, yeah, Pac may not defend it but it is a big deal because if he wins he's the first 7 division champion.
Right but in this case because contracts are signed the Welterweight limit is between 140 and 145 is that correct? BY DEFINITION because they are not adhering to the welterweight limits it is a CATCHWEIGHT fight.
It's both a catchweight fight AND a welterweight fight. It falls within the welterweight limit with the maximum weight allowed moved down two pounds. But it still qualifies as a welterweight fight because it's below 147 and above 140. And remember, Cotto weighed 146 against Clottey so I really don't see one more pound as a big deal. Cotto agreed to it and has made clear he doesn't see it as an issue, so I don't know why anyone else should.
Sorry man that statement doesn't make sense.
Re: Cotto's welterweight belt is on the line!!!
What ever happen to the good ol boxers who fought for Glory and their only price was to be the better man that night?
They were the true champions!
Re: Cotto's welterweight belt is on the line!!!
although i heard of late that it's not going to be for any title, whether true or not i say screw the belt,let's just have a good fight.
Re: Cotto's welterweight belt is on the line!!!
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Right but in this case because contracts are signed the Welterweight limit is between 140 and 145 is that correct? BY DEFINITION because they are not adhering to the welterweight limits it is a CATCHWEIGHT fight.
It's both a catchweight fight AND a welterweight fight. It falls within the welterweight limit with the maximum weight allowed moved down two pounds. But it still qualifies as a welterweight fight because it's below 147 and above 140. And remember, Cotto weighed 146 against Clottey so I really don't see one more pound as a big deal. Cotto agreed to it and has made clear he doesn't see it as an issue, so I don't know why anyone else should.
Sorry man that statement doesn't make sense.
it does when you smoke crack and have a man crush on Pacquiao, backing up the contract crap so much, don't get why Haye and his fans bitched so much about Klitschko's demands, nobody put a gun to Hayes head either :rolleyes:
just cause it's in the contract doesn't make it right
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although i heard of late that it's not going to be for any title, whether true or not i say screw the belt,let's just have a good fight.
That would be my ideal scenario. Regardless of how I feel about the title this should be a good fight and I look forward to it.
Re: Cotto's welterweight belt is on the line!!!
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ClubberLang
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Right but in this case because contracts are signed the Welterweight limit is between 140 and 145 is that correct? BY DEFINITION because they are not adhering to the welterweight limits it is a CATCHWEIGHT fight.
It's both a catchweight fight AND a welterweight fight. It falls within the welterweight limit with the maximum weight allowed moved down two pounds. But it still qualifies as a welterweight fight because it's below 147 and above 140. And remember, Cotto weighed 146 against Clottey so I really don't see one more pound as a big deal. Cotto agreed to it and has made clear he doesn't see it as an issue, so I don't know why anyone else should.
Sorry man that statement doesn't make sense.
It makes perfect sense. The 147 limit is NOT the only thing that makes it a welterweight fight. If it is below 147 and above 140, then it is a welterweight bout by definition. But it is also a catchweight fight because the two sides agreed to move the limit down to 145. But 145 falls between 147 and 140, so it is still a welterweight fight also. Makes perfect sense.
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Hey Cotto and PAC can negotiate and fight at whatever weight they agree to that's fine, that's not the problem I have with this. MY problem is that this is for a title. It is not up to PAC and Cotto to determine what the welterweight limit is. If it's going to be for a welterweight title Cotto should be able to come in at the WW limit. Everything else the purse split, and all other negotiations, I could care less about. It should be a great fight and entertaining, but it shouldn't be a title fight. If PAC wins it's not like he's going to defend the title anyway.
that's the main thing that pisses me off, if Manny actually wins the title what is gonna do? call for bullshit catchweights for every fucking title defense? he needs to man up and fight a full fledged welter who's able to make the limit especially when that full fledged welterweight is champion
If future opponents agree to the catchweight then why the hell should anyone care? Nobody has to agree to that, it isn't like they have a gun to their head.
It's not like he's Mayweather making small guys come up to him. Manny is still going up to the bigger guys even if it is a catchweight.
Sorry, but name me when Mayweather did this. The only possible name you could throw up is Ricky Hatton who chased the fight. The same Ricky Hatton who was already a world champ at 147. You simply can't name another 'small guy' who he's made come up to him.
Re: Cotto's welterweight belt is on the line!!!
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ElTerribleMorales
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killersheep
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ClubberLang
It's both a catchweight fight AND a welterweight fight. It falls within the welterweight limit with the maximum weight allowed moved down two pounds. But it still qualifies as a welterweight fight because it's below 147 and above 140. And remember, Cotto weighed 146 against Clottey so I really don't see one more pound as a big deal. Cotto agreed to it and has made clear he doesn't see it as an issue, so I don't know why anyone else should.
Sorry man that statement doesn't make sense.
it does when you smoke crack and have a man crush on Pacquiao, backing up the contract crap so much, don't get why Haye and his fans bitched so much about Klitschko's demands, nobody put a gun to Hayes head either :rolleyes:
just cause it's in the contract doesn't make it right
You're acting like Manny is a king on the throne forcing the peasant Cotto to do his bidding. Cotto could have told Manny to stuff it, but he doesn't care about the weight. So, yes, it IS right.
And as far as my statement about it being a catchweight and a welterweight fight, it DOES make perfect since if you have the ability to think. Between 140 and 147 is welterweight. 145 falls in that area, therefore it's a welterweight fight. But the limit was moved down two pounds, so it's also a catchweight. It ain't rocket science, some of you will just complain about anything.
Oh, and I wouldn't even say I am a huge Manny fan. Paul Williams is my favorite active fighter and Manny is well down the list, though I do like him. I also like Cotto. I am pulling for Manny just because I would like to see history made, but I will be happy for Cotto if he wins.
Re: Cotto's welterweight belt is on the line!!!
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ClubberLang
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killersheep
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ClubberLang
It's both a catchweight fight AND a welterweight fight. It falls within the welterweight limit with the maximum weight allowed moved down two pounds. But it still qualifies as a welterweight fight because it's below 147 and above 140. And remember, Cotto weighed 146 against Clottey so I really don't see one more pound as a big deal. Cotto agreed to it and has made clear he doesn't see it as an issue, so I don't know why anyone else should.
Sorry man that statement doesn't make sense.
It makes perfect sense. The 147 limit is NOT the only thing that makes it a welterweight fight. If it is below 147 and above 140, then it is a welterweight bout by definition. But it is also a catchweight fight because the two sides agreed to move the limit down to 145. But 145 falls between 147 and 140, so it is still a welterweight fight also. Makes perfect sense.
No it doesn't, it is a Catchweight fight, it is not a Welterweight Catchweight fight. A catchweight fight is a negotiated weight limit BETWEEN two weight classes. Otherwise there would be no reason to mention the catchweight at all, they always fall within a weight class.
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ClubberLang
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that's the main thing that pisses me off, if Manny actually wins the title what is gonna do? call for bullshit catchweights for every fucking title defense? he needs to man up and fight a full fledged welter who's able to make the limit especially when that full fledged welterweight is champion
If future opponents agree to the catchweight then why the hell should anyone care? Nobody has to agree to that, it isn't like they have a gun to their head.
It's not like he's Mayweather making small guys come up to him. Manny is still going up to the bigger guys even if it is a catchweight.
Sorry, but name me when Mayweather did this. The only possible name you could throw up is Ricky Hatton who chased the fight. The same Ricky Hatton who was already a world champ at 147. You simply can't name another 'small guy' who he's made come up to him.
Last I checked Marquez fought last at 135 and is coming up to 144 for the fight. That's making a small guy come to you.
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ClubberLang
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Sorry man that statement doesn't make sense.
It makes perfect sense. The 147 limit is NOT the only thing that makes it a welterweight fight. If it is below 147 and above 140, then it is a welterweight bout by definition. But it is also a catchweight fight because the two sides agreed to move the limit down to 145. But 145 falls between 147 and 140, so it is still a welterweight fight also. Makes perfect sense.
No it doesn't, it is a Catchweight fight, it is not a Welterweight Catchweight fight. A catchweight fight is a negotiated weight limit BETWEEN two weight classes. Otherwise there would be no reason to mention the catchweight at all, they always fall within a weight class.
If it's between 140 and 147, then it's a welterweight fight. That's what a welterweight fight is. 145 is between those weights, so it's a welterweight fight. It's not "BETWEEN" two weight classes, it falls directly within the welterweight area.
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ClubberLang
If future opponents agree to the catchweight then why the hell should anyone care? Nobody has to agree to that, it isn't like they have a gun to their head. It's not like he's Mayweather making small guys come up to him. Manny is still going up to the bigger guys even if it is a catchweight.
Sorry, but name me when Mayweather did this. The only possible name you could throw up is Ricky Hatton who chased the fight. The same Ricky Hatton who was already a world champ at 147. You simply can't name another 'small guy' who he's made come up to him.
Last I checked Marquez fought last at 135 and is coming up to 144 for the fight. That's making a small guy come to you.
Marquez called out Mayweather and it's not for a title.
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ClubberLang
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killersheep
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ClubberLang
It makes perfect sense. The 147 limit is NOT the only thing that makes it a welterweight fight. If it is below 147 and above 140, then it is a welterweight bout by definition. But it is also a catchweight fight because the two sides agreed to move the limit down to 145. But 145 falls between 147 and 140, so it is still a welterweight fight also. Makes perfect sense.
No it doesn't, it is a Catchweight fight, it is not a Welterweight Catchweight fight. A catchweight fight is a negotiated weight limit BETWEEN two weight classes. Otherwise there would be no reason to mention the catchweight at all, they always fall within a weight class.
If it's between 140 and 147, then it's a welterweight fight. That's what a welterweight fight is. 145 is between those weights, so it's a welterweight fight.
So in your opinion there are no catchweights?
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ClubberLang
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JazMerkin
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ClubberLang
If future opponents agree to the catchweight then why the hell should anyone care? Nobody has to agree to that, it isn't like they have a gun to their head. It's not like he's Mayweather making small guys come up to him. Manny is still going up to the bigger guys even if it is a catchweight.
Sorry, but name me when Mayweather did this. The only possible name you could throw up is Ricky Hatton who chased the fight. The same Ricky Hatton who was already a world champ at 147. You simply can't name another 'small guy' who he's made come up to him.
Last I checked Marquez fought last at 135 and is coming up to 144 for the fight. That's making a small guy come to you.
Right, the same Marquez who we all saw call for the fight & who went life & death with Pacquiao. At least Mayweather is fighting him a lb lower than Pacquiao fights Cotto in your eyes right? Marquez called him out so he has to be the one to make concessions, or does that only apply when it's Manny Pacquiao making the demands. They're apparently the same size, so what's the problem him fighting Mayweather at 144 but not Pac fighting Cotto at 145?
