Why is there even a discussion about Iran and nukes?

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

The only way that Iran will build a nuke is if they do get attacked. An attack would also cement the current regime in power for at least another generation.

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#1 It's your OPINION that Iran won't build a nuke unless attacked. And I'm here to tell you that in this situation your opinion gives me and more importantly the citizens of America and Israel no piece of mind in regards to our safety.

#2 Yeah it would "cement the current regime in power" because it's not like they've had the exact same power structure since the fucking revolution you dope


You do understand that Iran's posturing (even if it is ONLY posturing) against Israel and the United States gives the Israelis and Americans all the reason in the world to take them at their word. Why wouldn't I believe that Iran DOES want to "wipe Israel off the map"? Their fucking leaders have said it for decades but you're saying "No, they'll be peaceful"....based on what? What FACTUAL evidence do you have to support your claims? There are plenty of quotes by Iranian leaders that support my stance on this issue.

It's a fact that only America has ever used nuclear weapons directly against innocent people and so should NEVER be involved in any discussion about nuclear weapons. If any nation on this earth should be undergoing sanctions it would be America and if there were to be a number two it would be Israel.

Iran has had to deal with the overthrowing of a leader by America and Britain who simply had the decency to nationalise the nations resources, has had to deal with the imposition of a puppet state, then proudly got rid of that puppet, and then people like Lyle get shocked when individuals of Iran later suggest Israel needs to be got rid of? Just astounding.

The West and its duped populations need to wake up and smell the roses. The West certainly doesn't smell of roses. It has caused all kinds of nonsense in the region and now the holier than thou West is brokering deals with Iran to trade their own resources more freely. Please.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

But The USA and Israel are hypocrites. How can they have and then demand another to say no. It is silly.

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even if I give you the benefit of the doubt on that statement you must recognize that neither the USA nor Israel have ever called for the complete destruction of Iran.....FACT.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

But The USA and Israel are hypocrites. How can they have and then demand another to say no. It is silly.

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even if I give you the benefit of the doubt on that statement you must recognize that neither the USA nor Israel have ever called for the complete destruction of Iran.....FACT.

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America has actively destroyed nations on numerous occasions. You have used the bomb on Japan twice, carried out genocide on Vietnam, overthrown numerous democratic leaders, lied to invade Iraq etc, etc. Now what is a little rhetorical bluster as compared with actually doing something? Has Iran ever invaded Israel? Has Iran ever toppled the leadership of America? You are applying ridiculous levels of hypocrisy to a one off warped threat against Israel considering EVERYTHING that your nation has been doing in the past 50 years.

The facts are facts. Your nation is responsible for the most incredible levels of destruction on this planet far beyond anything known in human history. The US and Iranian nukes is a ridiculous concept and of course the Western media has to follow the narrative. It is laughable though, quite ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

The only way that Iran will build a nuke is if they do get attacked. An attack would also cement the current regime in power for at least another generation.

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#1 It's your OPINION that Iran won't build a nuke unless attacked. And I'm here to tell you that in this situation your opinion gives me and more importantly the citizens of America and Israel no piece of mind in regards to our safety.

#2 Yeah it would "cement the current regime in power" because it's not like they've had the exact same power structure since the fucking revolution you dope


You do understand that Iran's posturing (even if it is ONLY posturing) against Israel and the United States gives the Israelis and Americans all the reason in the world to take them at their word. Why wouldn't I believe that Iran DOES want to "wipe Israel off the map"? Their fucking leaders have said it for decades but you're saying "No, they'll be peaceful"....based on what? What FACTUAL evidence do you have to support your claims? There are plenty of quotes by Iranian leaders that support my stance on this issue.

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It's not my opinion. It's the opinion of your intelligence agencies. The people who know what they're talking about. You're just reacting to the hysterical crap your hear on TV where no doubt Iran are either trying to get or probably already have a nuke.

I could point out to you that they don't have the facility to enrich uranium more than 20% and you need to enrich it to 100% to make a nuclear bomb, or that we have nuclear inspectors in their plants every week monitoring exactly what they're doing, that they'd have to test any bomb before building one and we'd immediately know they'd carried out a test, that they'd still have to weapoinse a bomb and fit it on a warhead and they don't have the tech to do that or build a trigger or build a missile that could so the job. I've already told you all this but it long ago fell off the back of your shelf to be replaced by hysterical stuff from the cable news screamers.

This stuff is all common knowledge to anybody who reads the fucking paper every day. You should try it! Occasionally you'd avoid looking like a total fucking ignoramus.

Common knowledge among the intelligence agencies eh? You mean like the knowledge that Saddam had WMD's?


Also terrorist groups which Iran supports have adopted the mushroom cloud as a symbol.... even us "Evil Americans" haven't done that you dope

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

Israel has nuclear weapons.
America has nuclear weapons.

Israel has and has used chemical weapons.
America has and has used chemical and nuclear weapons.

America illegally invades countries and renditions people, Israel randomly bombs embassies and assasinates people.

And yet Iran remains a problem? Really? Why is this even news and why doesn't Iran tell them all to just fuck off?


I cannot stand religion, but what annoys me more than religion is the posturing abuse of power.

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You asked why is there a discussion about Iran and nukes , then you started a thread on it ?
Did you ask yourself why is there a thread on Iran and nukes?

I think Iran, which is a fairly large country and powerful regional power unto itself anyway, is not the push over that it's neighbours have been, particularly since I believe they have a sort of alliance formed with Russia and China, the triple pact designed to limit US incursion into the region. Iran possesses the largest stock of sea mines in the world and in the event of war are capable of completely sealing off the Persian Gulf from enemy ships, thereby limiting any US military action to air strike and cross border land invasion with the threat of Russian and Chinese action as well. An unlikely scenario.

Might as well embrace Iran now as a nuclear power as there's F/A America can or rather will do about it except make empty threats and whinge. Without EU and UN backing for an invasion they are in fact, out-mighted by the "Eurasian axis".

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Common knowledge among the intelligence agencies eh? You mean like the knowledge that Saddam had WMD's?


Also terrorist groups which Iran supports have adopted the mushroom cloud as a symbol.... even us "Evil Americans" haven't done that you dope

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The USintelligence agancies had Iraq ranked as a non-factor as far as any terrorist threat went. Then an opportunity to invade Iraq came along and Cheney went to have a word with the CIA and suddenly Iraq became a serious threat to the national security of the United States.

There isn't a single instance you can point to of the US intelligence agancies ever underestimating a military threat. After the cold war ended it turned out they'd been overestimating the USSR's military/nuclear capability by a factor of about fifteen.

They're not overestimating things here either. You're just listening to the bullshit on TV and you're doing what they want, wetting the bed over a nonexistent threat.

You don't even have a grasp of the long history of Israeli bullshitting over an Iranian nuclear weapon. Israel have been trying to get America to attack Iran since 1982 by bullshitting about Iran being on the cusp of having a nuke.


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"Iran in final stages of nuclear weapon" (Maariv, April 25, 1984)

And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq, and these are policies that we are going to keep in place............


Colin Powell 2001


U.S. Secretary Of State Colin Powell & Foreign Minister of Egypt Amre Moussa

Again OPINIONS Kirkland

"From now onward, we will support and help any nations, any groups fighting against the Zionist regime across the world, and we are not afraid of declaring this"

- Supreme Leader of Iran Ali Khamenei

"Today, you are hated throughout the world. If you don't know this, you should. The peoples burn your flag. The Islamic peoples all over the world chant: "Death to America!"


- Supreme Leader of Iran Ali Khamenei

Those are quotes and I take him at his word. You don't because either you're an idealist or you're a moron.....and I believe you're too cynical to be an idealist

If you take him at his word then there's the problem solved, you can stop panicking!



Khamenei: No Nuclear Weapon Program, No First Strike
Goal is Energy Independence
Abu Ghrayb, Haditha Weaken US Human Rights Claims
The US media presented only a snippet from the speech of Supreme Jurisprudent Ali Khamenei of Iran on Sunday, in which he threatened to damage oil supplies to the West if the US militarily attacked Iran. He did say that, but he also announced that Iran had no intention of striking first, had not attacked and would not attack another country, and that it has no nuclear weapons program and does not want a nuclear bomb. I didn’t hear any of those statements reported on television.
For some strange reason, a relatively full text of important speeches given by world leaders is almost never provided to the public by any US media in English.


Khamenei No Nuclear Weapon Program No | Informed Comment


Again, we've got inspectors in their nuclear facilities and have done for years. We have compete knowledge of their nuclear capabilties and have a full accounting of all their uranium. We know they don't have the tech to either build, trigger or launch a nuclear missile. We know they're not even trying to build one. I know the people at Fox have you wetting the bed over Iran's imminent nuclear attack but it's not going to happen.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

If you take him at his word then there's the problem solved, you can stop panicking!



Khamenei: No Nuclear Weapon Program, No First Strike
Goal is Energy Independence
Abu Ghrayb, Haditha Weaken US Human Rights Claims
The US media presented only a snippet from the speech of Supreme Jurisprudent Ali Khamenei of Iran on Sunday, in which he threatened to damage oil supplies to the West if the US militarily attacked Iran. He did say that, but he also announced that Iran had no intention of striking first, had not attacked and would not attack another country, and that it has no nuclear weapons program and does not want a nuclear bomb. I didn’t hear any of those statements reported on television.
For some strange reason, a relatively full text of important speeches given by world leaders is almost never provided to the public by any US media in English.


Khamenei No Nuclear Weapon Program No | Informed Comment


Again, we've got inspectors in their nuclear facilities and have done for years. We have compete knowledge of their nuclear capabilties and have a full accounting of all their uranium. We know they don't have the tech to either build, trigger or launch a nuclear missile. We know they're not even trying to build one. I know the people at Fox have you wetting the bed over Iran's imminent nuclear attack but it's not going to happen.

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Iran's Ballistic Missile Program | The Iran Primer

Iran has the largest and most diverse ballistic missile arsenal in the Middle East. (Israel has more capable ballistic missiles, but fewer in number and type.) Most were acquired from foreign sources, notably North Korea. The Islamic Republic is the only country to develop a 2,000-km missile without first having a nuclear weapons capability.....which could lead one to believe they will work hard to achieve nuclear power status.

Its a MAD policy and its mad to pursue it for the reasons the fear mongers tend to ignore. Not only is it mutual assured destruction but even if Iran strikes first and destroys Israel the fallout would destroy itself.

Its also their right as a sovereign nation to pursue nuclear energy for its peoples needs. Funny how its always those that have the devices telling the world who else can have them. Its always those the west can beat up also. Heads were in the sand apparently when India and Pakistan squired them and now Pakistan is probably the most radicalized population on earth. Leave Iran alone. 80% of the population is 25 and under or something like that. The West should turn its eyes elsewhere starting with the two countries they left completely fucked up.

It's not only Iran vs Israel but also the Saudi's. This is Shia vs Sunni also so if/when (thanks Obama) Iran gets a nuke then the Saudi's will try like hell to get one.

The nuclear standoff was tense enough when it was just the US & the Soviets now it's: USA, England, France, China, Russia, Israel, Pakistan, India, North Korea, and now we're going to add Iran in there as well? Yeah this will work out fabulously, let a bunch of people who sponsor terrorism get their hands on a weapon like a nuclear bomb...that'll be great :vd:


You can say "Our inspectors are over there tracking everything" all you want, it's not going to prevent them from getting what they want.