Why is there even a discussion about Iran and nukes?

[El Kabong]

Common knowledge among the intelligence agencies eh? You mean like the knowledge that Saddam had WMD's?


Also terrorist groups which Iran supports have adopted the mushroom cloud as a symbol.... even us "Evil Americans" haven't done that you dope

[Kirkland Laing]

Common knowledge among the intelligence agencies eh? You mean like the knowledge that Saddam had WMD's?


Also terrorist groups which Iran supports have adopted the mushroom cloud as a symbol.... even us "Evil Americans" haven't done that you dope

The USintelligence agancies had Iraq ranked as a non-factor as far as any terrorist threat went. Then an opportunity to invade Iraq came along and Cheney went to have a word with the CIA and suddenly Iraq became a serious threat to the national security of the United States.

There isn't a single instance you can point to of the US intelligence agancies ever underestimating a military threat. After the cold war ended it turned out they'd been overestimating the USSR's military/nuclear capability by a factor of about fifteen.

They're not overestimating things here either. You're just listening to the bullshit on TV and you're doing what they want, wetting the bed over a nonexistent threat.

You don't even have a grasp of the long history of Israeli bullshitting over an Iranian nuclear weapon. Israel have been trying to get America to attack Iran since 1982 by bullshitting about Iran being on the cusp of having a nuke.





"Iran in final stages of nuclear weapon" (Maariv, April 25, 1984)

[Kirkland Laing]

And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq, and these are policies that we are going to keep in place............


Colin Powell 2001


U.S. Secretary Of State Colin Powell & Foreign Minister of Egypt Amre Moussa

[El Kabong]

Again OPINIONS Kirkland

"From now onward, we will support and help any nations, any groups fighting against the Zionist regime across the world, and we are not afraid of declaring this"

- Supreme Leader of Iran Ali Khamenei

"Today, you are hated throughout the world. If you don't know this, you should. The peoples burn your flag. The Islamic peoples all over the world chant: "Death to America!"


- Supreme Leader of Iran Ali Khamenei

Those are quotes and I take him at his word. You don't because either you're an idealist or you're a moron.....and I believe you're too cynical to be an idealist

[Kirkland Laing]

If you take him at his word then there's the problem solved, you can stop panicking!



Khamenei: No Nuclear Weapon Program, No First Strike
Goal is Energy Independence
Abu Ghrayb, Haditha Weaken US Human Rights Claims
The US media presented only a snippet from the speech of Supreme Jurisprudent Ali Khamenei of Iran on Sunday, in which he threatened to damage oil supplies to the West if the US militarily attacked Iran. He did say that, but he also announced that Iran had no intention of striking first, had not attacked and would not attack another country, and that it has no nuclear weapons program and does not want a nuclear bomb. I didn’t hear any of those statements reported on television.
For some strange reason, a relatively full text of important speeches given by world leaders is almost never provided to the public by any US media in English.


Khamenei No Nuclear Weapon Program No | Informed Comment


Again, we've got inspectors in their nuclear facilities and have done for years. We have compete knowledge of their nuclear capabilties and have a full accounting of all their uranium. We know they don't have the tech to either build, trigger or launch a nuclear missile. We know they're not even trying to build one. I know the people at Fox have you wetting the bed over Iran's imminent nuclear attack but it's not going to happen.

[El Kabong]

If you take him at his word then there's the problem solved, you can stop panicking!



Khamenei: No Nuclear Weapon Program, No First Strike
Goal is Energy Independence
Abu Ghrayb, Haditha Weaken US Human Rights Claims
The US media presented only a snippet from the speech of Supreme Jurisprudent Ali Khamenei of Iran on Sunday, in which he threatened to damage oil supplies to the West if the US militarily attacked Iran. He did say that, but he also announced that Iran had no intention of striking first, had not attacked and would not attack another country, and that it has no nuclear weapons program and does not want a nuclear bomb. I didn’t hear any of those statements reported on television.
For some strange reason, a relatively full text of important speeches given by world leaders is almost never provided to the public by any US media in English.


Khamenei No Nuclear Weapon Program No | Informed Comment


Again, we've got inspectors in their nuclear facilities and have done for years. We have compete knowledge of their nuclear capabilties and have a full accounting of all their uranium. We know they don't have the tech to either build, trigger or launch a nuclear missile. We know they're not even trying to build one. I know the people at Fox have you wetting the bed over Iran's imminent nuclear attack but it's not going to happen.

Iran's Ballistic Missile Program | The Iran Primer

Iran has the largest and most diverse ballistic missile arsenal in the Middle East. (Israel has more capable ballistic missiles, but fewer in number and type.) Most were acquired from foreign sources, notably North Korea. The Islamic Republic is the only country to develop a 2,000-km missile without first having a nuclear weapons capability.....which could lead one to believe they will work hard to achieve nuclear power status.

[IamInuit]

Its a MAD policy and its mad to pursue it for the reasons the fear mongers tend to ignore. Not only is it mutual assured destruction but even if Iran strikes first and destroys Israel the fallout would destroy itself.

Its also their right as a sovereign nation to pursue nuclear energy for its peoples needs. Funny how its always those that have the devices telling the world who else can have them. Its always those the west can beat up also. Heads were in the sand apparently when India and Pakistan squired them and now Pakistan is probably the most radicalized population on earth. Leave Iran alone. 80% of the population is 25 and under or something like that. The West should turn its eyes elsewhere starting with the two countries they left completely fucked up.

[Kirkland Laing]

If you take him at his word then there's the problem solved, you can stop panicking!



Khamenei: No Nuclear Weapon Program, No First Strike
Goal is Energy Independence
Abu Ghrayb, Haditha Weaken US Human Rights Claims
The US media presented only a snippet from the speech of Supreme Jurisprudent Ali Khamenei of Iran on Sunday, in which he threatened to damage oil supplies to the West if the US militarily attacked Iran. He did say that, but he also announced that Iran had no intention of striking first, had not attacked and would not attack another country, and that it has no nuclear weapons program and does not want a nuclear bomb. I didn’t hear any of those statements reported on television.
For some strange reason, a relatively full text of important speeches given by world leaders is almost never provided to the public by any US media in English.


Khamenei No Nuclear Weapon Program No | Informed Comment


Again, we've got inspectors in their nuclear facilities and have done for years. We have compete knowledge of their nuclear capabilties and have a full accounting of all their uranium. We know they don't have the tech to either build, trigger or launch a nuclear missile. We know they're not even trying to build one. I know the people at Fox have you wetting the bed over Iran's imminent nuclear attack but it's not going to happen.

Iran's Ballistic Missile Program | The Iran Primer

Iran has the largest and most diverse ballistic missile arsenal in the Middle East. (Israel has more capable ballistic missiles, but fewer in number and type.) Most were acquired from foreign sources, notably North Korea. The Islamic Republic is the only country to develop a 2,000-km missile without first having a nuclear weapons capability.....which could lead one to believe they will work hard to achieve nuclear power status.

It's easy to build a missile. It's very difficult to make a nuke small enough to put on the missile. It's a good start you actually reading something about this, actually read enough stuff from legitimate sources and you'll realise what a silly bedwetter you've been over Iran and their nonexistent nuclear programme.