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Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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hitmandonny
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tysonbruno
Will calzaghe take this fight? This would be the biggest and most dangerous fight of his career.
We've heard that every fight for the past 3 years
Hopkins won that fight in my eyes. Calzaghe was busy but there was not even a trickle of blood out of his nose.
Well in the eyes of the professional judges Calzaghe did enough to merit the win.
The one judge that scored the fight for Hopkins only had it for Hopkins because of the knockdown.
By the way, if thats your kid in the the avatar, Congrats....Cute as a button
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
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His ass made it back out again with his money in tow :lolhaha: :LOLATYOU:
Yeah, he's dragging all his money by the towel that his corner threw in:LOLATYOU:
No need to see a fighter take an unnecessary beating. Smart, compassionate corner work.. don't you agree?
Money don't mean much to the comatose. ;)
I really feel Enzo waited a little long.
I know Lockett was looking toward the corner indicating he was alright, but those knockdowns were becoming scary as Lockett seemed to draoij of all strength and still take punishment.
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I didn't think they would let him out for the 3rd.
To be fair though, Lockett had some brief success, unfortunately his best shots bounced back off Pavlik's bonce.
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Fenster
I didn't think they would let him out for the 3rd.
To be fair though, Lockett had some brief success, unfortunately his best shots bounced back off Pavlik's bonce.
He never had a shot in hell but he tried and didn't stay down on one knee for ten like many would... He has courage and should be commended.
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Fenster
I didn't think they would let him out for the 3rd.
To be fair though, Lockett had some brief success, unfortunately his best shots bounced back off Pavlik's bonce.
He never had a shot in hell but he tried and didn't stay down on one knee for ten like many would... He has courage and should be commended.
You seem rather different without VD's influence :-\
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Fenster
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
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Fenster
I didn't think they would let him out for the 3rd.
To be fair though, Lockett had some brief success, unfortunately his best shots bounced back off Pavlik's bonce.
He never had a shot in hell but he tried and didn't stay down on one knee for ten like many would... He has courage and should be commended.
You seem rather different without VD's influence :-\
Nah, I love raggin on people... And one liners are one of my specialties...
Locket was a second tier opponant to say te least and should have never been in the same ring...
Locket knew after the first round it was over...
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
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Fenster
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
He never had a shot in hell but he tried and didn't stay down on one knee for ten like many would... He has courage and should be commended.
You seem rather different without VD's influence :-\
Nah, I love raggin on people... And one liners are one of my specialties...
Locket was a second tier opponant to say te least and should have never been in the same ring...
Locket knew after the first round it was over...
Many knew it was over BEFORE the first round begun ;)
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Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
Calzaghe can beat Pavlik. But Calzaghe cannot afford to fight like he did against Hopkins. I thought Calzaghe won by a couple of rounds but there were things that have made me think a little.
Calzaghe with his A game decisions Pavlik handily...
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Calzaghe can beat Pavlik. But Calzaghe cannot afford to fight like he did against Hopkins. I thought Calzaghe won by a couple of rounds but there were things that have made me think a little.
Calzaghe with his A game decisions Pavlik handily...
Pavlik on his A game nearly decapitates Calzaghe:cool:
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miles
Calzaghe can beat Pavlik. But Calzaghe cannot afford to fight like he did against Hopkins. I thought Calzaghe won by a couple of rounds but there were things that have made me think a little.
Calzaghe with his A game decisions Pavlik handily...
Remember though Pavlik and Hopkins are opposites.
Ultra defensive compared with ultra offensive.
Win or lose Calzaghe will look better than he did against Hopkins (well sort of, he wont look good sparked out but I doubt that will happen)
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
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miles
Calzaghe can beat Pavlik. But Calzaghe cannot afford to fight like he did against Hopkins. I thought Calzaghe won by a couple of rounds but there were things that have made me think a little.
Calzaghe with his A game decisions Pavlik handily...
Pavlik on his A game nearly decapitates Calzaghe:cool:
Calzaghe wouldnt get broken up like Taylor did. But he would eat some demon rights. No doubts on that one.
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Fenster
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miles
Calzaghe can beat Pavlik. But Calzaghe cannot afford to fight like he did against Hopkins. I thought Calzaghe won by a couple of rounds but there were things that have made me think a little.
Calzaghe with his A game decisions Pavlik handily...
Remember though Pavlik and Hopkins are opposites.
Ultra defensive compared with ultra offensive.
Win or lose Calzaghe will look better than he did against Hopkins... well sorta, he wont look good sparked out but I doubt that will happen
Calzaghe has a good chin and we all know I'm not a hater... Quite to the contrary I think Joe C is a great champ...
But make no mistake, he has NEVER fought anybody with the pop Kelly has...
People keep mentioning Kessler above. Kessler, although his record shows a 74% KO winning percentage, look who they're against... Used up war horses and tomato cans...
Kessler is actually a very well schooled technical boxer... More that then anything... He is not the power puncher people make him out to be...
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Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
miles
Calzaghe can beat Pavlik. But Calzaghe cannot afford to fight like he did against Hopkins. I thought Calzaghe won by a couple of rounds but there were things that have made me think a little.
Calzaghe with his A game decisions Pavlik handily...
Remember though Pavlik and Hopkins are opposites.
Ultra defensive compared with ultra offensive.
Win or lose Calzaghe will look better than he did against Hopkins (well sort of, he wont look good sparked out but I doubt that will happen)
Yeah, completely different fighters. Calzaghe was sloppy against Hopkins though. Hopkins is impossible to look good against, but Calzaghe wasnt quite in the zone that night. The knockdown probably prepetuated the relatively conservative performance.
Calzaghe has the tools to make Pavlik look downright sloppy too. It has FOTY potential all over it.
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miles
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Fenster
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miles
Calzaghe can beat Pavlik. But Calzaghe cannot afford to fight like he did against Hopkins. I thought Calzaghe won by a couple of rounds but there were things that have made me think a little.
Calzaghe with his A game decisions Pavlik handily...
Remember though Pavlik and Hopkins are opposites.
Ultra defensive compared with ultra offensive.
Win or lose Calzaghe will look better than he did against Hopkins (well sort of, he wont look good sparked out but I doubt that will happen)
Yeah, completely different fighters. Calzaghe was sloppy against Hopkins though. Hopkins is impossible to look good against, but Calzaghe wasnt quite in the zone that night. The knockdown probably prepetuated the relatively conservative performance.
Calzaghe has the tools to make Pavlik look downright sloppy too. It has FOTY potential all over it.
FOTY... It will only be a FOTY candidate if Kelly KOs Joe... Case and point... I can't get up for that pitter pat, slap happy, partially blocked flurry style that Joe has... I think Joe was exciting in the begining of his career but not so much now... even when he wins by a large margin it's just...... Boring... Just me maybe.
FOTY would be Kelly lossing on points in a sea-saw battle and Kelly catching him on the button ala Taylor in the 11th...
Kinda like a dream I had;D
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Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
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Fenster
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miles
Calzaghe can beat Pavlik. But Calzaghe cannot afford to fight like he did against Hopkins. I thought Calzaghe won by a couple of rounds but there were things that have made me think a little.
Calzaghe with his A game decisions Pavlik handily...
Remember though Pavlik and Hopkins are opposites.
Ultra defensive compared with ultra offensive.
Win or lose Calzaghe will look better than he did against Hopkins... well sorta, he wont look good sparked out but I doubt that will happen
Calzaghe has a good chin and we all know I'm not a hater... Quite to the contrary I think Joe C is a great champ...
But make no mistake, he has NEVER fought anybody with the pop Kelly has...
People keep mentioning Kessler above.
Kessler, although his record shows a 74% KO winning percentage, look who they're against... Used up war horses and tomato cans...
Kessler is actually a very well schooled technical boxer... More that then anything... He is not the power puncher people make him out to be...
And the bulk of Pavlik's KO's have not come against inferior comp?
Pavlik is a hard puncher, for sure, but he's KO'd a gassed Taylor. The only other fighter worth a mention is Miranda. Ancient old Howard Eastman had Miranda rocking all over the shop
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Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
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Fenster
Remember though Pavlik and Hopkins are opposites.
Ultra defensive compared with ultra offensive.
Win or lose Calzaghe will look better than he did against Hopkins... well sorta, he wont look good sparked out but I doubt that will happen
Calzaghe has a good chin and we all know I'm not a hater... Quite to the contrary I think Joe C is a great champ...
But make no mistake, he has NEVER fought anybody with the pop Kelly has...
People keep mentioning Kessler above.
Kessler, although his record shows a 74% KO winning percentage, look who they're against... Used up war horses and tomato cans...
Kessler is actually a very well schooled technical boxer... More that then anything... He is not the power puncher people make him out to be...
And the bulk of Pavlik's KO's have not come against inferior comp?
Pavlik is a hard puncher, for sure, but he's KO'd a gassed Taylor. The only other fighter worth a mention is Miranda. Ancient old Howard Eastman had Miranda rocking all over the shop
No, that's not being disputed... and Taylor wasn't out of gas... He got caught and finished... plain and simple. They were both tired.
I'm not disputing the fact that Pavilk has a padded record also but my point was that Kessler is not as hard a puncher as people make him out to be...
Kelly KO'd Miranda... a decent feat... Especially under the shelling he was getting in return... And Taylor is a tremendous fighter with good power that had already almost put him down for good... Kelly beat the man who beat the man twice... Kessler beat....................... Markus Beyer...
You know what I'm sayin...:cool:
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Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
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Fenster
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
Calzaghe has a good chin and we all know I'm not a hater... Quite to the contrary I think Joe C is a great champ...
But make no mistake, he has NEVER fought anybody with the pop Kelly has...
People keep mentioning Kessler above. Kessler, although his record shows a 74% KO winning percentage, look who they're against... Used up war horses and tomato cans...
Kessler is actually a very well schooled technical boxer... More that then anything... He is not the power puncher people make him out to be...
And the bulk of Pavlik's KO's have not come against inferior comp?
Pavlik is a hard puncher, for sure, but he's KO'd a gassed Taylor. The only other fighter worth a mention is Miranda. Ancient old Howard Eastman had Miranda rocking all over the shop
No, that's not being disputed... and Taylor wasn't out of gas... He got caught and finished... plain and simple. They were both tired.
I'm not disputing the fact that Pavilk has a padded record also but my point was that Kessler is not as hard a puncher as people make him out to be...
Kelly KO'd Miranda... a decent feat... Especially under the shelling he was getting in return... And Taylor is a tremendous fighter with good power that had already almost put him down for good... Kelly beat the man who beat the man twice... Kessler beat....................... Markus Beyer...
You know what I'm sayin...:cool:
I'd fancy Kessler to KO Taylor too. Miranda definitely. I couldn't see Taylor almost having Kessler KO'd though. Kessler's chin is clearly far stronger than Kelly's.
You know what i'm saying, right ;)
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
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Fenster
And the bulk of Pavlik's KO's have not come against inferior comp?
Pavlik is a hard puncher, for sure, but he's KO'd a gassed Taylor. The only other fighter worth a mention is Miranda. Ancient old Howard Eastman had Miranda rocking all over the shop
No, that's not being disputed... and Taylor wasn't out of gas... He got caught and finished... plain and simple. They were both tired.
I'm not disputing the fact that Pavilk has a padded record also but my point was that Kessler is not as hard a puncher as people make him out to be...
Kelly KO'd Miranda... a decent feat... Especially under the shelling he was getting in return... And Taylor is a tremendous fighter with good power that had already almost put him down for good... Kelly beat the man who beat the man twice... Kessler beat....................... Markus Beyer...
You know what I'm sayin...:cool:
I'd fancy Kessler to KO Taylor too. Miranda definitely. I couldn't see Taylor almost having Kessler KO'd though. Kessler's chin is clearly far stronger than Kelly's.
You know what i'm saying, right ;)
I'd have to say those are pretty fair asumptions... I'd have to agree... With the exception of Kessler KOing Taylor. I may be giving Taylor a tad to much credit but... I don't see that haoppening. It's possible and Kessler is quite skilled and strong so maybe...
Yeah, I know what you're sayin;D
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BigH is a lurker... He just lurks... Watching like a creepy old man outside a victoria's secret;D
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Glad to see you agree with Fenster.
You think Kessler would KO Kelly now as well, right?
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Glad to see you agree with Fenster.
You think Kessler would KO Kelly now as well, right?
Nah... I don't... If I don't really see him KOing the guy Pavlik KOd then I don't see him KOing Pavlik...
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ahh righto....;D
BigH is just lurking in here... Is he staring at me or you...?
I feel dirty...
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I didn't think they would let him out for the 3rd.
To be fair though, Lockett had some brief success, unfortunately his best shots bounced back off Pavlik's bonce.
True. Lockett, was brave. He wasn't intimidated in any way and b taking a knee he attempted to do everything in his power to clutch onto his portion of the fight.
However, with such a monumental difference in class, I had to wonder whether or not Lockett had been used as a sacrificial lambe for Enzo and Frank to get a look at Pavlik firsthand and gauge him against a known quantity.
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I didn't think they would let him out for the 3rd.
To be fair though, Lockett had some brief success, unfortunately his best shots bounced back off Pavlik's bonce.
He never had a shot in hell but he tried and didn't stay down on one knee for ten like many would... He has courage and should be commended.
You seem rather different without VD's influence :-\
He just loves to torment people.
Wait until Duddy gets Ko'ed or if Hatton struggles with Pac......I'm screwed.
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[He just loves to torment people.
Wait until Duddy gets Ko'ed or if Hatton struggles with Pac......I'm screwed.
Either of those would upset me... Of course I expect Hatton to have trouble with Pac... But Duddy getting sparked is not on my "want to see" list:cool:
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[He just loves to torment people.
Wait until Duddy gets Ko'ed or if Hatton struggles with Pac......I'm screwed.
Either of those would upset me... Of course I expect Hatton to have trouble with Pac... But Duddy getting sparked is not on my "want to see" list:cool:
I think seeing Duddy KO'ed would require a hugely exciting fight and I think there are only a select few that could possibly do it.
I just hope he's availed of his time off and practised some head movement or else we'll see plenty more blood when he fights the ghost.
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
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hitmandonny
[He just loves to torment people.
Wait until Duddy gets Ko'ed or if Hatton struggles with Pac......I'm screwed.
Either of those would upset me... Of course I expect Hatton to have trouble with Pac... But Duddy getting sparked is not on my "want to see" list:cool:
I think seeing Duddy KO'ed would require a hugely exciting fight and I think there are only a select few that could possibly do it.
I just hope he's availed of his time off and practised some head movement or else we'll see plenty more blood when he fights the ghost.
Duddy is there for the taking if a half decent puncher with a decent chin ever steps in with him.
If you could box john duddys heart and guts you would make a small fortune.
Though i suspect your pavliks, mirandas or abrahams of this world would see duddy as an open target.
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
Either of those would upset me... Of course I expect Hatton to have trouble with Pac... But Duddy getting sparked is not on my "want to see" list:cool:
I think seeing Duddy KO'ed would require a hugely exciting fight and I think there are only a select few that could possibly do it.
I just hope he's availed of his time off and practised some head movement or else we'll see plenty more blood when he fights the ghost.
Duddy is there for the taking if a half decent puncher with a decent chin ever steps in with him.
If you could box john duddys heart and guts you would make a small fortune.
Though i suspect your pavliks, mirandas or abrahams of this world would see duddy as an open target.
All the names you mentioned would beat Duddy.
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Duddy wont do much better than Lockett did.
He'll just take more of a sick beating.
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Fenster
Duddy wont do much better than Lockett did.
He'll just take more of a sick beating.
agreed;)
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hitmandonny
I think seeing Duddy KO'ed would require a hugely exciting fight and I think there are only a select few that could possibly do it.
I just hope he's availed of his time off and practised some head movement or else we'll see plenty more blood when he fights the ghost.
Duddy is there for the taking if a half decent puncher with a decent chin ever steps in with him.
If you could box john duddys heart and guts you would make a small fortune.
Though i suspect your pavliks, mirandas or abrahams of this world would see duddy as an open target.
I think you could add quite a few names to the list also:-\
All the names you mentioned would beat Duddy.
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Duddy wont do much better than Lockett did.
He'll just take more of a sick beating.
Well pointed out. Duddy will attempt to stand up to it and have himself disfigured as a result.
Refe has mercy on Duddy around 5 or 6 I'll say.
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Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
It's always easy to be swayed by the figter we just recently seen and forget the big picture but i still see pavlik as too young and strong right now. Joe would have to seriously hurt pavlik to keep him from coming forward and i don't see that happening. I think a couple of good shots from pavlik and calzaghe will probably try to stay away most of the fight.
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Thats all it took for Calzaghe fans to be convinced. He only has a couple of great wins. One of them or two was controversial with Hopkins and Robin Ried.
THANK GOD SOMEONE SAID IT BEFORE I DID!! Pavlik's supposed 2-3 decent wins are arguably better than Calzaghe's 2-3 decent wins...
This is ridiculous. You guys can't honestly believe their records are comparable?
Pavlik's THREE best wins are Taylor - middleweight champ. Miranda - failed "world" title challenger and ?? ... There isn't even a 3rd
Calzaghe's best wins... (in no particular order)
1. Hopkins - Middleweight "great," Lightheavy champ
2. Eubank - Top 5 best ever supermiddle
3. Kessler - WBC/WBA
UNBEATEN champ
4. Lacy - IBF
UNBEATEN champ
5. Reid - WBC champ
6. Brewer - IBF champ
7. Mitchell - WBA champ
8. Woodhall - WBC champ
Calzaghe's win over Omar Sheika is on a par with Pavlik's 2nd best ever win.
Come on boys, get real ;)
Every one you mentioned Pavlik would most likely knockout. Not hanging on to shady split dicisions by the skin of his scrotum like Joe. Sorry but I still think he lost to Hopkins. The Reid and Hopkins should have been loses draws if not loses. Hopkins was a loss.
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Although a flawed way of thinking, Calzaghe's best win was against BHop... Kelly's were against JT, who he KO'd once and outboxed second... Oh and JT Beat Joe C's best op. twice... Although flawed it is true...
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southakron314
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THANK GOD SOMEONE SAID IT BEFORE I DID!! Pavlik's supposed 2-3 decent wins are arguably better than Calzaghe's 2-3 decent wins...
This is ridiculous. You guys can't honestly believe their records are comparable?
Pavlik's THREE best wins are Taylor - middleweight champ. Miranda - failed "world" title challenger and ?? ... There isn't even a 3rd
Calzaghe's best wins... (in no particular order)
1. Hopkins - Middleweight "great," Lightheavy champ
2. Eubank - Top 5 best ever supermiddle
3. Kessler - WBC/WBA
UNBEATEN champ
4. Lacy - IBF
UNBEATEN champ
5. Reid - WBC champ
6. Brewer - IBF champ
7. Mitchell - WBA champ
8. Woodhall - WBC champ
Calzaghe's win over Omar Sheika is on a par with Pavlik's 2nd best ever win.
Come on boys, get real ;)
Every one you mentioned Pavlik would most likely knockout. Not hanging on to shady split dicisions by the skin of his scrotum like Joe.
Sorry but I still think he lost to Hopkins. The Reid and Hopkins should have been loses draws if not loses. Hopkins was a loss.
care to explain how you scored the contest to hopkins when calzaghe clearly won in every sane persons opinion???
And you keep mentioning the robin reid fight
reid fought the fight of his life that night and was always a very underrated boxer. he took joe out of his gameplan and dictated the pace of the fight for the majority of the rounds yet still JC was able to land big. The very best of fighters come a cropper every so often.
Manny pac has a few losses to nobodys on his CV, Mayweather almost came on the wrong end of a loss to victoriano sosa as did hatton when he fought thaxton.
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southakron314
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Fenster
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caleoh12
THANK GOD SOMEONE SAID IT BEFORE I DID!! Pavlik's supposed 2-3 decent wins are arguably better than Calzaghe's 2-3 decent wins...
This is ridiculous. You guys can't honestly believe their records are comparable?
Pavlik's THREE best wins are Taylor - middleweight champ. Miranda - failed "world" title challenger and ?? ... There isn't even a 3rd
Calzaghe's best wins... (in no particular order)
1. Hopkins - Middleweight "great," Lightheavy champ
2. Eubank - Top 5 best ever supermiddle
3. Kessler - WBC/WBA
UNBEATEN champ
4. Lacy - IBF
UNBEATEN champ
5. Reid - WBC champ
6. Brewer - IBF champ
7. Mitchell - WBA champ
8. Woodhall - WBC champ
Calzaghe's win over Omar Sheika is on a par with Pavlik's 2nd best ever win.
Come on boys, get real ;)
Every one you mentioned Pavlik would most likely knockout. Not hanging on to shady split dicisions by the skin of his scrotum like Joe. Sorry but I still think he lost to Hopkins. The Reid and Hopkins should have been loses draws if not loses. Hopkins was a loss.
You clearly have never heard of Chris Eubank.
Only a top class fighter could possibily register wins over half those names. It would take an EXCEPTIONAL talent to have beaten all of them.
Without Pavlik having faced any, it's impossible to say. But wins against Hopkins, Eubank and Kessler - Pavlik would be odds against (KO is a ridiculous notion for Eubank.. and Hopkins). Lacy, Reid, Brewer, Mitchell, Woodhall and Sheika - Pavlik would have a strong chance, but it's highly UNLIKELY he would face all without suffering defeat. Fact.
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Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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Although a flawed way of thinking, Calzaghe's best win was against BHop... Kelly's were against JT, who he KO'd once and outboxed second... Oh and JT Beat Joe C's best op. twice... Although flawed it is true...
Yes, extremely flawed reasoning, my friend.
For the argument to hold any weight Calzaghe would have needed to have lost. But as we know.. He won.
All you're left with is - Taylor beat Hopkins. Cazlaghe beat Hopkins. Pavlik beat Taylor. In this scenario, there is no formline that elevates Pavlik above Calzaghe ;)
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The calzaghe/reid fight was one of the worst fights i've seen in my life. Punch 2 times then hold, repeat for the rest of the fight. Terrible fight. How you guys thought Reid beat Calzaghe is mind boggling.
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This is ridiculous. You guys can't honestly believe their records are comparable?
Pavlik's THREE best wins are Taylor - middleweight champ. Miranda - failed "world" title challenger and ?? ... There isn't even a 3rd
Calzaghe's best wins... (in no particular order)
1. Hopkins - Middleweight "great," Lightheavy champ
2. Eubank - Top 5 best ever supermiddle
3. Kessler - WBC/WBA UNBEATEN champ
4. Lacy - IBF UNBEATEN champ
5. Reid - WBC champ
6. Brewer - IBF champ
7. Mitchell - WBA champ
8. Woodhall - WBC champ
Calzaghe's win over Omar Sheika is on a par with Pavlik's 2nd best ever win.
Come on boys, get real ;)
Every one you mentioned Pavlik would most likely knockout. Not hanging on to shady split dicisions by the skin of his scrotum like Joe.
Sorry but I still think he lost to Hopkins. The Reid and Hopkins should have been loses draws if not loses. Hopkins was a loss.
care to explain how you scored the contest to hopkins when calzaghe clearly won in every sane persons opinion???
And you keep mentioning the robin reid fight
reid fought the fight of his life that night and was always a very underrated boxer. he took joe out of his gameplan and dictated the pace of the fight for the majority of the rounds yet still JC was able to land big. The very best of fighters come a cropper every so often.
Manny pac has a few losses to nobodys on his CV, Mayweather almost came on the wrong end of a loss to victoriano sosa as did hatton when he fought thaxton.
Yes I do care to. I would score in the favor of Hopkins because he knocked Joe on his ass. He hurt him several times as well. Hopkins looked like he just got done with a brisk jog after the fight. Look at Taylors face , Lockets after 2.5 rounds, Miranda was unreconnizable. I would not score punches (slaps) to the arms and shoulders. I would have deducted a piont of the second low blow. Hopkins was never hurt or even introuble in the fight. Pavlik is longer , faster , throws harder and quicker punches. He throws the same amount as Clazaghe. Thus Pavlik throws twice as many because half of his shit is pitter slaps. I dont even know how someone can like him or be a fan. He is a slapper and he tried to be a canal pal to Hopkins when he got hit in the nutts.
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Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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Originally Posted by
awdleyfuturehalloffamer
The calzaghe/reid fight was one of the worst fights i've seen in my life. Punch 2 times then hold, repeat for the rest of the fight. Terrible fight. How you guys thought Reid beat Calzaghe is mind boggling.
I do recall it close enough for a split. If it was such a one sidded affiar it would have been all three cards.
