he dominated by making Oscar miss damn near everyshot if that counts. but Oscar got undeserved rounds IMO. i also heard Mayweather said himself that Agustus was the hardest fight he ever had.Quote:
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he dominated by making Oscar miss damn near everyshot if that counts. but Oscar got undeserved rounds IMO. i also heard Mayweather said himself that Agustus was the hardest fight he ever had.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
yea chino. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
None of them connected as they did in previous fights. Look at both of their faces after the fight, how they were not tired, etc. I think a lot of it has to do with people disliking ODLH. And it is clear he is disliked. So no matter what, he won't get anybody's favor.Quote:
he dominated by making Oscar miss damn near everyshot if that counts. but Oscar got undeserved rounds IMO. i also heard Mayweather said himself that Agustus was the hardest fight he ever had.
Mayweather too strong and accurate. Wins by kayo.
Floyd Mayweather said Emanuel Augustus was his toughest fight at that time, which it probably was. But that was before he fought Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo, ETC. Which were way tougher fights, the Emanuel Burton fight wasn't that tough.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnkhe dominated by making Oscar miss damn near everyshot if that counts. but Oscar got undeserved rounds IMO. i also heard Mayweather said himself that Agustus was the hardest fight he ever had.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
I've seen it many times and except for the punch that broke Floyd Mayweather's nose. I just see Emanuel Augustus get dominated mostly, i didn't see him give Floyd Mayweather that many problems, although it was still a very brave effort from Emanuel Augustus.
As for Chino's comments i don't see any problem at all with what he has said. ODLH wasn't dominated in the Floyd Mayweather fight he is right about that. I had Floyd Mayweather winning by 3 or 4 rounds, but after 9 rounds it was pretty close, until Floyd Mayweather took over in the later rounds.
But i still think ODLH was somewhat effective with his jab, but he stopped using it because he got tired, which didn't help with the way Floyd Mayweather was making him miss. You expend alot more energy when you miss big power punches, and it was also due to Floyd Mayweather countering ODLH, over his jab with perfect right hands, which did stun him a few times. Which also made him think twice about throwing it.
And he is right about ODLH's performance it was a very poor performance, it was probably the worst i've seen ODLH since the Felix Sturm fight. But i still think it was due to him being weight drained and ETC. Remember its been almost a decade since he fought at Welterweight. So i do disagree with you slightly Chino. I don't think he is a finished fighter at all.
I think if he comeback at Jr Middleweight he would still be a force. But i would rather him retire now, i just think people are being unfair to Chino IMO. He has gave Manny Pacquiao credit and i also give Manny Pacquiao a hell of alot of credit, Manny Pacquiao fought an amazing fight. But that still doesn't mean we can't comment on how bad ODLH looked, and he did look pretty bad IMO.
But Manny Pacquiao done more than enough of what was asked of him, and thats dominate and stop ODLH. He couldn't of done it any more impressively, and i think he should stay between 135-140 from now on i think thats a perfect weight range for him and theres so many good fights to be made. Nate Campbell, JMM, Ricky Hatton, Joan Guzman, ETC. I think he should only fight at Welterweight again if he gets a fight with Floyd Mayweather, because there size difference isn't that much at all.
Nice post ICE!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonito DonaireFloyd Mayweather said Emanuel Augustus was his toughest fight at that time, which it probably was. But that was before he fought Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo, ETC. Which were way tougher fights, the Emanuel Burton fight wasn't that tough.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnkhe dominated by making Oscar miss damn near everyshot if that counts. but Oscar got undeserved rounds IMO. i also heard Mayweather said himself that Agustus was the hardest fight he ever had.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
I've seen it many times and except for the punch that broke Floyd Mayweather's nose. I just see Emanuel Augustus get dominated mostly, i didn't see him give Floyd Mayweather that many problems, although it was still a very brave effort from Emanuel Augustus.
As for Chino's comments i don't see any problem at all with what he has said. ODLH wasn't dominated in the Floyd Mayweather fight he is right about that. I had Floyd Mayweather winning by 3 or 4 rounds, but after 9 rounds it was pretty close, until Floyd Mayweather took over in the later rounds.
But i still think ODLH was somewhat effective with his jab, but he stopped using it because he got tired, which didn't help with the way Floyd Mayweather was making him miss. You expend alot more energy when you miss big power punches, and it was also due to Floyd Mayweather countering ODLH, over his jab with perfect right hands, which did stun him a few times. Which also made him think twice about throwing it.
And he is right about ODLH's performance it was a very poor performance, it was probably the worst i've seen ODLH since the Felix Sturm fight. But i still think it was due to him being weight drained and ETC. Remember its been almost a decade since he fought at Welterweight. So i do disagree with you slightly Chino. I don't think he is a finished fighter at all.
I think if he comeback at Jr Middleweight he would still be a force. But i would rather him retire now, i just think people are being unfair to Chino IMO. He has gave Manny Pacquiao credit and i also give Manny Pacquiao a hell of alot of credit, Manny Pacquiao fought an amazing fight. But that still doesn't mean we can't comment on how bad ODLH looked, and he did look pretty bad IMO.
But Manny Pacquiao done more than enough of what was asked of him, and thats dominate and stop ODLH. He couldn't of done it any more impressively, and i think he should stay between 135-140 from now on i think thats a perfect weight range for him and theres so many good fights to be made. Nate Campbell, JMM, Ricky Hatton, Joan Guzman, ETC. I think he should only fight at Welterweight again if he gets a fight with Floyd Mayweather, because there size difference isn't that much at all.
Again, I posted this earlier on in the thread, I think people are just misunderstanding Chino. What is he saying that is striking a nerve?
naaa ICE i actually heard this when the last time he was on ESPN and they asked him about Cotto too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonito DonaireFloyd Mayweather said Emanuel Augustus was his toughest fight at that time, which it probably was. But that was before he fought Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo, ETC. Which were way tougher fights, the Emanuel Burton fight wasn't that tough.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnkhe dominated by making Oscar miss damn near everyshot if that counts. but Oscar got undeserved rounds IMO. i also heard Mayweather said himself that Agustus was the hardest fight he ever had.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
I've seen it many times and except for the punch that broke Floyd Mayweather's nose. I just see Emanuel Augustus get dominated mostly, i didn't see him give Floyd Mayweather that many problems, although it was still a very brave effort from Emanuel Augustus.
As for Chino's comments i don't see any problem at all with what he has said. ODLH wasn't dominated in the Floyd Mayweather fight he is right about that. I had Floyd Mayweather winning by 3 or 4 rounds, but after 9 rounds it was pretty close, until Floyd Mayweather took over in the later rounds.
But i still think ODLH was somewhat effective with his jab, but he stopped using it because he got tired, which didn't help with the way Floyd Mayweather was making him miss. You expend alot more energy when you miss big power punches, and it was also due to Floyd Mayweather countering ODLH, over his jab with perfect right hands, which did stun him a few times. Which also made him think twice about throwing it.
And he is right about ODLH's performance it was a very poor performance, it was probably the worst i've seen ODLH since the Felix Sturm fight. But i still think it was due to him being weight drained and ETC. Remember its been almost a decade since he fought at Welterweight. So i do disagree with you slightly Chino. I don't think he is a finished fighter at all.
I think if he comeback at Jr Middleweight he would still be a force. But i would rather him retire now, i just think people are being unfair to Chino IMO. He has gave Manny Pacquiao credit and i also give Manny Pacquiao a hell of alot of credit, Manny Pacquiao fought an amazing fight. But that still doesn't mean we can't comment on how bad ODLH looked, and he did look pretty bad IMO.
But Manny Pacquiao done more than enough of what was asked of him, and thats dominate and stop ODLH. He couldn't of done it any more impressively, and i think he should stay between 135-140 from now on i think thats a perfect weight range for him and theres so many good fights to be made. Nate Campbell, JMM, Ricky Hatton, Joan Guzman, ETC. I think he should only fight at Welterweight again if he gets a fight with Floyd Mayweather, because there size difference isn't that much at all.
i dont dislike ODLH i dislike Calzaghe ;D Floyd might not have dominated offensivly but he did defensivly. But oscar did get alot of rounds in but i dont see how.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
Maybe it was the most he was hurt because he got a broken nose, in the Emanuel Augustus fight, but despite the punch that broke his nose. Believe me all you have to do is watch the fight to know it wasn't nowhere near as tough as his fights against Jose Luis Castillo, Jesus Chavez, ETC.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnknaaa ICE i actually heard this when the last time he was on ESPN and they asked him about Cotto too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonito DonaireFloyd Mayweather said Emanuel Augustus was his toughest fight at that time, which it probably was. But that was before he fought Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo, ETC. Which were way tougher fights, the Emanuel Burton fight wasn't that tough.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
I've seen it many times and except for the punch that broke Floyd Mayweather's nose. I just see Emanuel Augustus get dominated mostly, i didn't see him give Floyd Mayweather that many problems, although it was still a very brave effort from Emanuel Augustus.
As for Chino's comments i don't see any problem at all with what he has said. ODLH wasn't dominated in the Floyd Mayweather fight he is right about that. I had Floyd Mayweather winning by 3 or 4 rounds, but after 9 rounds it was pretty close, until Floyd Mayweather took over in the later rounds.
But i still think ODLH was somewhat effective with his jab, but he stopped using it because he got tired, which didn't help with the way Floyd Mayweather was making him miss. You expend alot more energy when you miss big power punches, and it was also due to Floyd Mayweather countering ODLH, over his jab with perfect right hands, which did stun him a few times. Which also made him think twice about throwing it.
And he is right about ODLH's performance it was a very poor performance, it was probably the worst i've seen ODLH since the Felix Sturm fight. But i still think it was due to him being weight drained and ETC. Remember its been almost a decade since he fought at Welterweight. So i do disagree with you slightly Chino. I don't think he is a finished fighter at all.
I think if he comeback at Jr Middleweight he would still be a force. But i would rather him retire now, i just think people are being unfair to Chino IMO. He has gave Manny Pacquiao credit and i also give Manny Pacquiao a hell of alot of credit, Manny Pacquiao fought an amazing fight. But that still doesn't mean we can't comment on how bad ODLH looked, and he did look pretty bad IMO.
But Manny Pacquiao done more than enough of what was asked of him, and thats dominate and stop ODLH. He couldn't of done it any more impressively, and i think he should stay between 135-140 from now on i think thats a perfect weight range for him and theres so many good fights to be made. Nate Campbell, JMM, Ricky Hatton, Joan Guzman, ETC. I think he should only fight at Welterweight again if he gets a fight with Floyd Mayweather, because there size difference isn't that much at all.
i always considered Castillo his hardest fight but he said it himself that Agustus was his hardest he ever had. and i have seen the agustus fight i still say Castillo was his hardest ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonito DonaireMaybe it was the most he was hurt because he got a broken nose, in the Emanuel Augustus fight, but despite the punch that broke his nose. Believe me all you have to do is watch the fight to know it wasn't nowhere near as tough as his fights against Jose Luis Castillo, Jesus Chavez, ETC.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnknaaa ICE i actually heard this when the last time he was on ESPN and they asked him about Cotto too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonito Donaire
I am not sure if you can win a fight with defense. ODLH kept pressing the fight and when you are facing a champion shouldn't it be the other way around? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnki dont dislike ODLH i dislike Calzaghe ;D Floyd might not have dominated offensivly but he did defensivly. But oscar did get alot of rounds in but i dont see how.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
Floyd Jr. came out of retirement after De La Hoya fight because he knew he could beat Hatton. The fact that he is still in retirement now is because there is hesitation on his part, that he cannot beat Pacquiao. No one knew that Oscar doesn't have it anymore until Pacquiao uncovered it on Dream Match. Is Floyd Jr. still the guy we knew or will it be Dream Match Part Two?
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Originally Posted by eddiegil
I'd also like to see Floyd fight on, or never have retired in the first place and maybe taken another 5 or 6 fights before retiring..
I am not one of those people who always wants a fighter to keep going just one more fight,to prove themselves against the "next" fighter to come along.. or not retire until they lose... As much I used to criticize his attitude outside the ring (because of the fact that a champion as quality as he just doesn't need to act like that) I was in awe of what he could do in the ring..... It's funny that I always wanted a fighter to beat him in most of his fights.. A little because I didn't like his attitude, but mainly because I just wanted to see Floyd's limit.. I wanted to see him pushed to his absolute limit, and possibly beyond... I wanted Floyd to fight on and constantly push himself until him and all his fans found his limit... Many time's he was underrated by some going into fights, and he would just impress so much that you'd wonder how you could ever doubt him... Then the next fight would come up and people could talk about how this new fighter will beat him... He ended his career a cut above everyone else around his weight...
I wanted him to continue on and continue to test himself, if not at 147 but even up to 154... Some fighters don't have the intention of just continually rising the bar until they meet someone tougher, but I believe we never saw the absolute best/peak of Mayweather.. Once he was at the top of his game, we never got to see him really have to dig deep and use every ounce of his heart and skill to beat an opponent who was better than him... I think he was capable of it, and wish that we got to see it of probably the best fighter of my era...
I would love for him to come out of retirement for anything.. Especially if Pac continues on to be a dominant fighter in 2009,,,, but it's pretty clear Mayweather is pretty much done with the game.... He doesn't have that hunger and thirst to find and push his limits, and that's an incredible shame.. Now that it's clear he's pretty intent on staying retired and out of the game, it's an end of an era that I and many others wish could have continued on into even more glorious days...
There was no doubt of his potential, I just wish even with all we saw, that we could have seen more of him...
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Originally Posted by eddiegil
I'd also like to see Floyd fight on, or never have retired in the first place and maybe taken another 5 or 6 fights before retiring..
I am not one of those people who always wants a fighter to keep going just one more fight,to prove themselves against the "next" fighter to come along.. or not retire until they lose... As much I used to criticize his attitude outside the ring (because of the fact that a champion as quality as he just doesn't need to act like that) I was in awe of what he could do in the ring..... It's funny that I always wanted a fighter to beat him in most of his fights.. A little because I didn't like his attitude, but mainly because I just wanted to see Floyd's limit.. I wanted to see him pushed to his absolute limit, and possibly beyond... I wanted Floyd to fight on and constantly push himself until him and all his fans found his limit... Many time's he was underrated by some going into fights, and he would just impress so much that you'd wonder how you could ever doubt him... Then the next fight would come up and people could talk about how this new fighter will beat him... He ended his career a cut above everyone else around his weight...
I wanted him to continue on and continue to test himself, if not at 147 but even up to 154... Some fighters don't have the intention of just continually rising the bar until they meet someone tougher, but I believe we never saw the absolute best/peak of Mayweather.. Once he was at the top of his game, we never got to see him really have to dig deep and use every ounce of his heart and skill to beat an opponent who was better than him... I think he was capable of it, and wish that we got to see it of probably the best fighter of my era...
I would love for him to come out of retirement for anything.. Especially if Pac continues on to be a dominant fighter in 2009,,,, but it's pretty clear Mayweather is pretty much done with the game.... He doesn't have that hunger and thirst to find and push his limits, and that's an incredible shame.. Now that it's clear he's pretty intent on staying retired and out of the game, it's an end of an era that I and many others wish could have continued on into even more glorious days...
There was no doubt of his potential, I just wish even with all we saw, that we could have seen more of him...
If Pacquiao beats Hatton, Mayweather is going to fight Pacquiao. I wanna talk about how Pacquiao would be a fighter Mayweather has never seen before or how the potential matchup would put the fire back in Floyd's belly, but in reality, the money would be too big to give up.
The funny thing is that before the fight NO ONE knew that ODLH was washed up. The media thought that the fight was a mismatch and thus bad for the sport. Most boxers thought pacman would lose. The sports books had pacman as a heavy underdog. Even a philipino politician thought pacman would lose. Many people even thought pacman would get knocked out! Going into the ring as such an underdog and still beaming with confidence and courage speaks for itself. The win was huge. This was not a case of Calzaghe v. Jones where the boxing public universally thought Calzaghe would win on points because RJJ was passed his prime. This was a HUGE upset.Quote:
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No, all I am saying is that ODLH was passed his prime, old, worned out, drained, no gas left in the tank, and pretty much everything else that Pac and his whole team even mentioned. Even they all knew this was an opportunity to add a nice name to the resume. It happens all the time when boxing legends decide to stay in the ring longer than they should: Ali, Leonard, Tyson, Chavez, etc. etc. etc. and now ODLH. I am surprised people ignore this fact. Pac is good, no doubt, and keeps improving in my opinion. He just happened to fight an old, worned out, drained, passed his prime, ODLH. Just like ODLH did when he faced JC Chavez. What goes around comes around I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnkare u sayin that his fight with Oscar was close or that he had a difficult time with his style??Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
KananKrus,
I'll give it a try:rolleyes:.
Did ODLH change that much from May of 2007 - when he battled Floyd to a split decision loss - to ODLH in December of 2008, when he was destroyed by Pacquiao? It is obvious he changed, but Mayweather didn't maul ODLH like Pacquiao did and Mayweather is naturally a bigger man than Pacquiao.
Because of his accomplishments and ability, PBF should be heavily favored in a fight with Pacquiao, but the intrigue for the fight is justified.
Pac will be very very different from all the fighters Mayweather had faced so I give the win to Pac.
Mayweather's shoulder roll will be no problem for Pac.:cool:
How So? I notice both you and Julius have said similiar things but are yet to back it up with an in depth analysis or well thought plan..Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
So Im curious to hear what that is... Because a questionable desicion against JMM a win against an overrated Diaz and victory over a drained ineffective lethargic plodding old Delahoya, dosent give one Ioda of an idea today more than it gave last year that Pac had a snowball chance in hell of beating PBF.
I admit I picked Oscar to destroy Pac and believed that up until they announced HBO's unofficial weigh in were Oscar was a pound less than Pac. Everyone in the world though it was a foregone conclusion that Delahoya was going to come into the ring about 155-160, not being lighter and giving up every advantage he would have had.
Congrats to Pac for moving up in weight and demolishing Delahoya, I will say this if Floyd fought Delahoya under the same circumstances and weighed 147 without gaining a pound come the fight night, Im sure it would have been close to the outcome of the Gatti fight
Im sick and tired of the mayweather brown nosers. Pacman will stop mayweather. I dont care who mayweather has fought before, he has never fought the caliber fighter like a pacman. The reason manny will stop him is for three Big reasons. #1 manny's footwork is the best around. He bounces around on both feet constantly throwing fighters off their game, slipping in and out. #2 manny throws combinations. Im not sure floyd knows what that means as of late, sure floyd can throw combinations against someone like Gaitti, but i believe i could do that. Mayweather has not impressed me at all lately, he throws one punch and then goes back into his little peek-a-boo style, thats not gonna work against manny. #3 is heart. I've followed manny for a while and i've never seen someone with the will to win like him. Even in the first morrales fight with the huge gash from the headbut the man kept coming, thats heart, thats a passion to win, and thats something floyd has never faced before. Even tho i just registered here on the forums, i told my whole family that manny would beat oscar up, while the rest of them said that oscar was just to big. Please dont even mention ricky hatton against pacman, Hatton would be taking a nap on the canvas within 6 rounds. Hatton does not impress me at all, i mean who has he beat? Mallinagi, who else.....? This may sound crazy and im gonna go out on a limb, but i dont even see mayweather giving manny any problems at any point in the fight. This fight is gonna happen soon, and I believe without a shadow of a doubt that not only will the pretty boy be handed his first defeat, but will be stopped similar to oscar, but im gonna go with 11th round TKO. WINNER Manny "The Pacman" Pacquiao. PS. all of you "mayweather is boxing God" people your fixing to see your man get brutally exposed. And you can quote me on that!
Big words for a first post! Welcome to the forum! This is the best place to talk boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan
Erm... there was this fella called Kostya Tszyu who wasn't a bad little boxer a few years ago. Go on, google him, he's not bad. & as we seem to be talking on a Malignaggi level, there was these guys called Luis Collazo & Jose Luis Castillo who managed to beat. I'm not even a Hatton fan & that's a stupid question.:rolleyes:Quote:
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and mayweathers is the same as all of the other fighters that Pac has fought..............Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
look how much problems JMM gave him. i wouldnt be surprised if Pac gets KTFO. and that shoulder roll would drive Pac crazy when he realizes that he cant hit him like he did Oscar ;)
Pound for pound, Barrera, JMM, and Morales are much better fighters than castillo and callazo. Those names shouldnt even be mentioned in the same sentence. I'm not taking anything away from JMM hes a good fighter and gave pac a run for his money, but he never pulled threw. Besides I believe Manny has improved even more so his last two fights. By the way man im new to the forum but not new to boxing. And as for Kostya Tszyu, he'll never be remembered. Mark my words people, Pac-man will win this fight! Im not saying that hatton is awful or anything but i think theres plenty of fighters that can beat him: Pacman, cotto, margarito, berto.
Lol! I've been gone for 6 months. But I took the chance of reading some of your pre DLH-Pac comments. And I gotta tell ya, you weren't alone with your prediction. 28 out of 30 of so called "boxing experts" picked DLH to win. And most of them are using the same reason the one that you are using right now why Oscar lost (the weight issue).Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockHow So? I notice both you and Julius have said similiar things but are yet to back it up with an in depth analysis or well thought plan..Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
So Im curious to hear what that is... Because a questionable desicion against JMM a win against an overrated Diaz and victory over a drained ineffective lethargic plodding old Delahoya, dosent give one Ioda of an idea today more than it gave last year that Pac had a snowball chance in hell of beating PBF.
I admit I picked Oscar to destroy Pac and believed that up until they announced HBO's unofficial weigh in were Oscar was a pound less than Pac. Everyone in the world though it was a foregone conclusion that Delahoya was going to come into the ring about 155-160, not being lighter and giving up every advantage he would have had.
Congrats to Pac for moving up in weight and demolishing Delahoya, I will say this if Floyd fought Delahoya under the same circumstances and weighed 147 without gaining a pound come the fight night, Im sure it would have been close to the outcome of the Gatti fight
Oscar De La Hoya didn't just lost. He got tortured.
I guess the real beauty of that Pacquiao victory is he made most of his doubters as believers, and made some of his haters STFU.
No one in the world though that Pac would weight a pound over delahoya.. Crazy to think Oscar gave up his size and weight to try to be faster... The Oscar of 4 years ago wouldnt have been faster than pac... I knew he was going to get destroyed when he was lighterQuote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftLol! I've been gone for 6 months. But I took the chance of reading some of your pre DLH-Pac comments. And I gotta tell ya, you weren't alone with your prediction. 28 out of 30 of so called "boxing experts" picked DLH to win. And most of them are using the same reason the one that you are using right now why Oscar lost (the weight issue).Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockHow So? I notice both you and Julius have said similiar things but are yet to back it up with an in depth analysis or well thought plan..Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
So Im curious to hear what that is... Because a questionable desicion against JMM a win against an overrated Diaz and victory over a drained ineffective lethargic plodding old Delahoya, dosent give one Ioda of an idea today more than it gave last year that Pac had a snowball chance in hell of beating PBF.
I admit I picked Oscar to destroy Pac and believed that up until they announced HBO's unofficial weigh in were Oscar was a pound less than Pac. Everyone in the world though it was a foregone conclusion that Delahoya was going to come into the ring about 155-160, not being lighter and giving up every advantage he would have had.
Congrats to Pac for moving up in weight and demolishing Delahoya, I will say this if Floyd fought Delahoya under the same circumstances and weighed 147 without gaining a pound come the fight night, Im sure it would have been close to the outcome of the Gatti fight
Oscar De La Hoya didn't just lost. He got tortured.
I guess the real beauty of that Pacquiao victory is he made most of his doubters as believers, and made some of his haters STFU.
Actually, people were commenting about that on the Forbes fight. I even said that if Forbes, who is not known for being a dinamite KO puncher, could hurt ODLH then Pac would be a bigger threat. Now, you have all these people praising Pac for beating ODLH, which is fine, but people forget what it means to be "passed their prime". The only ones I have heard mention that are boxing analists and critics. Same thing with Mc Bride beat Tyson, when Norris and Camacho beat Leonard, when ODLH beat Chavez and ended up taking a taste of his own medicine when facing Pac and so on. Happens all the time in boxing.Quote:
The funny thing is that before the fight NO ONE knew that ODLH was washed up
I don't believe Oscar is in his prime right now, but if you put Oscar in his prime and Manny in his, Manny is Winner IMO. The reason being is the chin. I've seen manny in some tuff fights and I have never seen him hurt nor knocked down. Oscar on the other hand I have. Granted Oscar does have a good chin, but it can't compare with Manny's. For DLH's sake I hope these rumorss arnt true regaurding him wanting a rematch, I dont see him ever progressing against pacman. Manny is just to fast, and even more unexpected power.
I think Mayweather is faster or just as fast as Manny and just don't see Manny hurting Mayweather, sure he stopped Oscar but it wasn't a single power shot that hurt him it was the sheer volume of punches that got to Oscar and I don't think that he will be able to land those kinds of numbers on Mayweather to mess up his gameplan.
Mayweather UD
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Originally Posted by Doot
SAme can be said with Mayweather. He wins because of volume of punches.
Pac is faster than Mayweather and that will make the difference. MAyweather won't be able to land his punches on PAc like he did against HAtton.
MAyweather was unable to KO DLH the last time they meet. The decision was even questioned as some would see it in favor of DLH. That's why it was a split.
NOw can you say the same thing when PAc demolished DLH?:cool:
I doubt that Pac is faster:rolleyes:Quote:
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Originally Posted by Doot
SAme can be said with Mayweather. He wins because of volume of punches.
Pac is faster than Mayweather and that will make the difference. MAyweather won't be able to land his punches on PAc like he did against HAtton.
MAyweather was unable to KO DLH the last time they meet. The decision was even questioned as some would see it in favor of DLH. That's why it was a split.
NOw can you say the same thing when PAc demolished DLH?:cool:
If Jmm can hit Pac with rights and counters at will, why cant Mayweather??
The fight between Mayweather and Delahoya took place a year and a half ago at 154 agreed weight, with Delahoya having every advantage to him written in the contract right down to ring size and glove type.. Trust me when I tell you, if Floyd fought Oscar at 147 and weighed a pound more than Delahoya with him drained and plodding around like he did, Mayweather would have demolished him too... Not to mention that night by Oscars history he would have climbed in the ring at about 160+ after rehydration..
Im still yet to get that well thought out intelligent analysis I asked for on how you think Pac can beat Mayweather based on a questionable gift against JMM beating an ovverrated stinky Diaz and a Drained dryed up old Delahoya?? you and Julius keep skirting my question and request
I don't think of Mayweather vs Oscar for some reason when I think of Mayweathers chance of beating Manny, I think of Mayweathers fight with Hatton more so.
Hatton is faster than Oscar and hattons style is a little closer to Mannys than Oscars is. I saw Mayweather KO Hatton so I see him being able to hurt Manny with a single shot like the one he landed on Hatton.
I am curious on how Manny is going to deal with a guy on his chest for 12 rounds.. Thats the question, Hattons headmovement and ability to close the distance is tops in the business, with Mayweather sr in his corner and the tweaks they have made I still have to favor Hatton..Quote:
Originally Posted by Doot
Lets be real for a second Diaz and Delahoya were far from the divisions best even though Diaz had a belt.. Its been a while since Pac has fought a hungry elite fighter in his prime and didint have controversy behind it.. Hatton has been the kingpin at 140 for years now
I think Pac is easier to hit than Hatton. Just look at every fight vs JMM. Got rocked a couple of times, almost knocked out, all bloody and cut, etc. But then again, Mayweather has not shown to be the kind of guy who just stands there to throw punches like JMM. A style many boxing fans might not like about Mayweather but like it or not, that is what has gotten him all the victories he has without showing any clear flaws or weaknesses yet.Quote:
Pac is faster than Mayweather and that will make the difference. Mayweather won't be able to land his punches on PAc like he did against HAtton.
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NOw can you say the same thing when PAc demolished DLH?
Can't really say that when Pac defeated a passed his prime, old, worned out, out of gas, drained, and every other thing Pac and his team admitted/acknowledged before the fight.
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Its been a while since Pac has fought a hungry elite fighter in his prime
I keep asking myself why people ignore that fact about boxing greats who stay in the ring longer than they should. "Oh my gawd! Norris just beat the great Sugar Ray Leonard...Oh my goodness! Ali just got beaten by Trevor Berbick!...Oh gracious! McBride totally beat Mike Tyson!...Unbelievable! Oscar De La Hoya beat the great mexican legend Julio Cesar Chavez!..." Yes, I repeat this a lot in every single post that talks about how """great""" Pac's victory was against Oscar De La Hoya. I would consider it great if it was when Oscar was in his prime. I get more excited with Pac past victories against Marco Antonio Barrera. So far, that is my favorite one. Like I said before, here you have Pac called at the last moment to be pretty much a "fill-in" and the big underdog took care of business! Awesome victory for Pac. He started to get recognition.
As for Mayweather vs Pac, well, not sure who I want to see lose :D .
Some of you guys really scare me with your commits! Hatton faster than De La Hoya?????? Hatton harder to hit Than Pacquiao??????? Are some of you drinking Bud Light while writing these posts? Would one Ricky hatton fan tell me a notable win that Ricky Hatton Posses? Manny Pacquiao would BRUTALLY KO RICKY HATTON!
Yea man we pale in comparison to your infinite wisdom... Ricky Hatton is the man at 140 and has been for 4 years now..Quote:
Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan
Moving up to 147 and wiping out old DLH really tells us nothing about how pac would do against floyd or Hatton
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Originally Posted by JT RockI doubt that Pac is faster:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeQuote:
Originally Posted by Doot
SAme can be said with Mayweather. He wins because of volume of punches.
Pac is faster than Mayweather and that will make the difference. MAyweather won't be able to land his punches on PAc like he did against HAtton.
MAyweather was unable to KO DLH the last time they meet. The decision was even questioned as some would see it in favor of DLH. That's why it was a split.
NOw can you say the same thing when PAc demolished DLH?:cool:
If Jmm can hit Pac with rights and counters at will, why cant Mayweather??
The fight between Mayweather and Delahoya took place a year and a half ago at 154 agreed weight, with Delahoya having every advantage to him written in the contract right down to ring size and glove type.. Trust me when I tell you, if Floyd fought Oscar at 147 and weighed a pound more than Delahoya with him drained and plodding around like he did, Mayweather would have demolished him too... Not to mention that night by Oscars history he would have climbed in the ring at about 160+ after rehydration..
Im still yet to get that well thought out intelligent analysis I asked for on how you think Pac can beat Mayweather based on a questionable gift against JMM beating an ovverrated stinky Diaz and a Drained dryed up old Delahoya?? you and Julius keep skirting my question and request
yep JT pretty much said everything that needed to be said. and Floyds defense has worked on every other fighter hes faced i dont see why it wont work on Pac.
I am not sure if they will answer. I have even told them that Pac and his team admitted that ODLH was out of gas, "didn't have it anymore", drained, passed his prime, worned out, etc. Pac and his team have admitted this. The only ones that have not acknowledged this is SOME of his fans (some = A LOT). Overrated victory over Diaz and ODLH really. Whenever I mention other boxing legends who remained in the ring longer than they should, they skip it:rolleyes:.Quote:
Im still yet to get that well thought out intelligent analysis I asked for on how you think Pac can beat Mayweather based on a questionable gift against JMM beating an overrated stinky Diaz and a Drained dried up old De La Hoya?? you and Julius keep skirting my question and request
Its funny how you dont seem to answer any questions! So i'll ask again. "WHO HAS RICKY HATTON BEAT THAT ARE EVEN WORTH MENTIONING." I'll answer myself. Castillo and Mallinagi, oooooooooh, and he suffers a knockout loss to mayweather! There are many people who could be the top at 140 if thats the type of competion they've beaten. Let me ask another question. who has castillo and mallinagi beaten? Between the both of them the only name that even comes to mind is corralles. My point is, is that anyone can be on top when your fighting second rate fighters, and thats why Pacqiaou wins this fight hands down!
Don't doubt. PAc is indeeed faster than HAtton and is faster than MAyweather.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockI doubt that Pac is faster:rolleyes:Quote:
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Originally Posted by Doot
SAme can be said with Mayweather. He wins because of volume of punches.
Pac is faster than Mayweather and that will make the difference. MAyweather won't be able to land his punches on PAc like he did against HAtton.
MAyweather was unable to KO DLH the last time they meet. The decision was even questioned as some would see it in favor of DLH. That's why it was a split.
NOw can you say the same thing when PAc demolished DLH?:cool:
If Jmm can hit Pac with rights and counters at will, why cant Mayweather??
The fight between Mayweather and Delahoya took place a year and a half ago at 154 agreed weight, with Delahoya having every advantage to him written in the contract right down to ring size and glove type.. Trust me when I tell you, if Floyd fought Oscar at 147 and weighed a pound more than Delahoya with him drained and plodding around like he did, Mayweather would have demolished him too... Not to mention that night by Oscars history he would have climbed in the ring at about 160+ after rehydration..
Im still yet to get that well thought out intelligent analysis I asked for on how you think Pac can beat Mayweather based on a questionable gift against JMM beating an ovverrated stinky Diaz and a Drained dryed up old Delahoya?? you and Julius keep skirting my question and request
JMM had a hard time countering Pac. He wasn't hitting Pac at will. JMM is the best counterpuncher out there.
A big NOOO!!! MAyweather won't be able to KO DLH.You can assume but you can't prove your assumption. MAyweather is too afraid to fight big boys all the way. You've seen how he fought ODLH.
Now the burden of proof is shifted to you. How can Mayweather win over Pac?PLease give me an intelligent analysis coz you haven't done it yet.:cool:
I dont have to doanything Bruce... if you cant answer the question than say so, we are not in grade school here.. You were asked a question and to back up your assumption.. You have not;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeDon't doubt. PAc is indeeed faster than HAtton and is faster than MAyweather.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockI doubt that Pac is faster:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
If Jmm can hit Pac with rights and counters at will, why cant Mayweather??
The fight between Mayweather and Delahoya took place a year and a half ago at 154 agreed weight, with Delahoya having every advantage to him written in the contract right down to ring size and glove type.. Trust me when I tell you, if Floyd fought Oscar at 147 and weighed a pound more than Delahoya with him drained and plodding around like he did, Mayweather would have demolished him too... Not to mention that night by Oscars history he would have climbed in the ring at about 160+ after rehydration..
Im still yet to get that well thought out intelligent analysis I asked for on how you think Pac can beat Mayweather based on a questionable gift against JMM beating an ovverrated stinky Diaz and a Drained dryed up old Delahoya?? you and Julius keep skirting my question and request
JMM had a hard time countering Pac. He wasn't hitting Pac at will. JMM is the best counterpuncher out there.
A big NOOO!!! MAyweather won't be able to KO DLH.You can assume but you can't prove your assumption. MAyweather is too afraid to fight big boys all the way. You've seen how he fought ODLH.
Now the burden of proof is shifted to you. How can Mayweather win over Pac?PLease give me an intelligent analysis coz you haven't done it yet.:cool:
the version of Delahoya that Mayweather fought was younger and much heavier.. Fact!!
Pac is not faster than Floyd Fact!!!!!!!!!
Floyd is an exceptional counterpuncher that is quicker than JMM and with better positioning and footwork, to go with a superb defense that transitions into his offense seemingly, Floyd will also have the height and reach advantage in which he will utilize..
dont overrate JMM hes good but he is NOT a better counter puncher than PBF.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeDon't doubt. PAc is indeeed faster than HAtton and is faster than MAyweather.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockI doubt that Pac is faster:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
If Jmm can hit Pac with rights and counters at will, why cant Mayweather??
The fight between Mayweather and Delahoya took place a year and a half ago at 154 agreed weight, with Delahoya having every advantage to him written in the contract right down to ring size and glove type.. Trust me when I tell you, if Floyd fought Oscar at 147 and weighed a pound more than Delahoya with him drained and plodding around like he did, Mayweather would have demolished him too... Not to mention that night by Oscars history he would have climbed in the ring at about 160+ after rehydration..
Im still yet to get that well thought out intelligent analysis I asked for on how you think Pac can beat Mayweather based on a questionable gift against JMM beating an ovverrated stinky Diaz and a Drained dryed up old Delahoya?? you and Julius keep skirting my question and request
JMM had a hard time countering Pac. He wasn't hitting Pac at will. JMM is the best counterpuncher out there.
A big NOOO!!! MAyweather won't be able to KO DLH.You can assume but you can't prove your assumption. MAyweather is too afraid to fight big boys all the way. You've seen how he fought ODLH.
Now the burden of proof is shifted to you. How can Mayweather win over Pac?PLease give me an intelligent analysis coz you haven't done it yet.:cool:
and how can Mayweather beat pac its simple the same damn way he beat the rest of his opponents. floyd has NO flaws so the real question is how can Pac beat Floyd.