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The administration is lying their ass off. It's looking as if Clinton (Hillary) either dropped the ball intentionally, or she just was out of her league and was consumed with other matters- like watching Billy-boy and his philandering.
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p.s.
Her accepting an award from Henry Kissinger two weeks after she left office didn't bode well for her either.
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Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
This is like golf....you play the course you're on. The Democrats look like the God damned Keystone Cops right about now, they are back peddling and tripping over one another and also they just look like they don't want to bother with this whole Benghazi issue because they are too elite to worry about such messes, it's only going to keep them from focusing on their REAL goals.....God knows what those are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Not to beat a dead horse, BUT.......
Obama’s claim he called Benghazi an ‘act of terrorism’ - The Washington Post
....Obama did lie about calling the Benghazi attacks "terrorist acts", its a moot point to call him out on it now when the damage has been done.
Right, I actually watched that video. The Defenxce Secretary said that Obama left handling the situation up to him and his generals. It doesn't say anything about him being missing.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI mean exactly what I said, Obama's whereabouts on the night of the Benghazi attacks (plural) are unknown/not specified.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
THE PEOPLE'S EXHIBIT A:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...=weq7hY0OhKs#!
Sorry, you have to watch a video :eek:
Do you get tired of being wrong & losing these arguments? How will you defend Obama for the IRS scandal??? Sicking the IRS on your enemies is very "Nixonian", things don't look good for YOUR BOY now do they?
And you also claimed that Obama gave two orders for troops to stand down but you haven't provided any evidence to back that up.
Also, too. Your video is misleading. I just googled Panetta benghazi testimony transcript and this was the fourth hit:
Conservative Media Selectively Crop Panetta's Congressional Testimony To Attack Obama On Benghazi | Blog | Media Matters for America
Here's the next thing out of Panetta's mouth after the video cuts off :
DEMPSEY: I would, if I could just, to correct one thing. I wouldn't say there was no follow-up from the White House. There was no follow-up, to my knowledge, with the president. But his staff was engaged with the national military command center pretty constantly through the period, which is the way it would normally work.
Ans that's why I don't like videos, because they're misleading. If you're going to reply on videos you're going to be made to look foolish time and time again, QED.
It's a desperate attempt to smear the next President and try and damage her chances of election. Unfortunately for the Republicans the polls show Benghazi is only relevant to people who weren't going to vote for her anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Obama is the Commander-in-Chief he and he alone can give the stand down order. If he deferred to a general, then that general should be held accountable...that fair enough for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Obama LEFT...Americans are under attack and Obama "left"......what a true born leader he is. So where did he go, what did he do? We're to believe he watched Bin Laden get shot in real time but he didn't see this attack in real time when drones were relaying a live feed back to the War Room?
You go ahead princess, defend the boy king :rolleyes:
You originally said Obama gave two orders to stand down. Now you're saying he may have left this to a general, which is what he did do.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongObama is the Commander-in-Chief he and he alone can give the stand down order. If he deferred to a general, then that general should be held accountable...that fair enough for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Obama LEFT...Americans are under attack and Obama "left"......what a true born leader he is. So where did he go, what did he do? We're to believe he watched Bin Laden get shot in real time but he didn't see this attack in real time when drones were relaying a live feed back to the War Room?
You go ahead princess, defend the boy king :rolleyes:
You also keep saying that he went missing or he "left" somewhere. Where is the evidence for this? The guy in the video said he was talking to the White House, so presumably the Kenyan was in the White House. Do you have any actual evidence that shows where he went missing from? This is the third time I asked you.
That's the question I'm asking you dope! "2 stand down orders were given" #1 The only person that can give those orders is Barack Obama and #2 Reports are that Obama left and went to sleep as his friend Amb. Chris Stevens was brutally murdered. So either OBAMA gave the orders which is bad OR Obama washed his hands of the situation completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Remember this picture of when Bin Laden was killed?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._bin_Laden.jpg
I would like that kind of evidence that Obama was actually involved in his job because this says other than a 30 minute meeting with Panetta & Gen. Dempsey he was unaccounted for
Benghazi Attack: Obama Was AWOL During the Event
Provide actual evidence. Just ranting away doesn't prove anything. You can either provide proof or you can't. Notice even the GOP aren't making these claims. Nobody in elected office is making these claims, only a bunch of nutters on the internet. If there's evidence that Obama told anybody to stand down why isn't it being investigated instead of an investigation of a fucking talking points memo?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongThat's the question I'm asking you dope! "2 stand down orders were given" #1 The only person that can give those orders is Barack Obama and #2 Reports are that Obama left and went to sleep as his friend Amb. Chris Stevens was brutally murdered. So either OBAMA gave the orders which is bad OR Obama washed his hands of the situation completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Remember this picture of when Bin Laden was killed?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._bin_Laden.jpg
I would like that kind of evidence that Obama was actually involved in his job because this says other than a 30 minute meeting with Panetta & Gen. Dempsey he was unaccounted for
Benghazi Attack: Obama Was AWOL During the Event
Alright you dumb piece of shit
SEN. GRAHAM: Your testimony, as I understand it, Secretary Panetta, that you talked to the president of the United States one time.
SEC. PANETTA: I talked to him on Sept. 11 with regards to the fact that we were aware this attack was taking place.
SEN. GRAHAM: One time.
SEC. PANETTA: Right.
SEN. GRAHAM: What time did you tell him that?
SEC. PANETTA: I think that was approximately about 5 o’clock?
GEN. DEMPSEY: Yeah, about 5 o’clock.
SEC. PANETTA: About 5 o’clock.
SEN. GRAHAM: General Dempsey, did you ever talk to the president of the United States at all?
GEN. DEMPSEY: I was with the secretary when — at that same time.
SEN. GRAHAM: Did you talk to the president?
GEN. DEMPSEY: Yes.
SEN. GRAHAM: You talked to him how many times.
GEN. DEMPSEY: The same — one time.
SEN. GRAHAM: How long did the conversation last?
GEN. DEMPSEY: We were there in the office for probably 30 minutes.
SEN. GRAHAM: So you talked to him for 30 minutes, one time, and you never talked to him again, either one of you.
GEN. DEMPSEY: Until afterwards.
SEN. GRAHAM: Until after the attack was over.
GEN. DEMPSEY: That’s right.
Sworn testimony.....need more proof?
Emails have been released and they are DAMNING
Benghazi Emails Directly Contradict White House Claims | The Weekly Standard
The phrase "Directly Contradict White House Claims" is bound to raise some eyebrows as well it should because this means Jay Carney & Hillary Clinton have been caught red handed in a lie.
This is supposed to be proof that Obama told troops to stand down twice? I rest my case.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
:vd: You are a certified grade A retardQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
#1 You saidAnd that was evidence that Obama had leftQuote:
You also keep saying that he went missing or he "left" somewhere. Where is the evidence for this? The guy in the video said he was talking to the White House, so presumably the Kenyan was in the White House. Do you have any actual evidence that shows where he went missing from? This is the third time I asked you.
#2 As per the "stand down" orders...
A: If Obama DID leave this up to Gen. Dempsey & Panetta one of them gave an order they are not allowed to give UNLESS Obama as Commander-in-Chief gave them permission
B: Or Obama WAS present and DID give the stand down orders and Gen. Dempsey & Panetta lied to Congress
I do hope you can follow that.
The point to all this is that PEOPLE NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE...I know you're a panty waste bleeding heart liberal but in "The Real World" people get held accountable
Right, so you've got zero evidence to back up your claim that Obama gave two orders to stand down. All you can come up with is speculation.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong:vd: You are a certified grade A retardQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
#1 You saidAnd that was evidence that Obama had leftQuote:
You also keep saying that he went missing or he "left" somewhere. Where is the evidence for this? The guy in the video said he was talking to the White House, so presumably the Kenyan was in the White House. Do you have any actual evidence that shows where he went missing from? This is the third time I asked you.
#2 As per the "stand down" orders...
A: If Obama DID leave this up to Gen. Dempsey & Panetta one of them gave an order they are not allowed to give UNLESS Obama as Commander-in-Chief gave them permission
B: Or Obama WAS present and DID give the stand down orders and Gen. Dempsey & Panetta lied to Congress
I do hope you can follow that.
The point to all this is that PEOPLE NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE...I know you're a panty waste bleeding heart liberal but in "The Real World" people get held accountable
And you've posted something that says two generals didn't speak to Obama after speaking with him initially and you're claiming this backs up your contention that Obama went missing. But I already posted something that shows Obama was speaking to the military via White House staff. So you can't prove this either.
And again I'll point out that zero elected GOP people on the national stage are claiming either of these things is true. Benghazi is now an argument about talking points in a memo andsemantics, that's it. The two things you're claiming above are only being covered by the loony conspiracy theory people.You can't post any credible evidence to back up either of the claims you're making because there isn't any.
Also, too. In America only poor powerless people get held accountable.
Yes apparently you are retardedQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Let me try yet again to break it down for you....I hope you're wearing a helmet
A: 2 orders to stand down were given....This is a FACT
B: Who gave the stand down orders? That is the answer the American people want
Representative Jason Chaffetz (R-UT), a member of the committee also said that “military personnel were ready willing and able, and within proximity, but the Pentagon told them they had no authority and to stand down.”
DANA LOESCH: “Because you have been an ambassador, you have been overseas with similar responsibilities and similar missions – who gives such an order to stand down? Where does that come from?”
REP. ANN WAGNER : “The President of the United States”
“The President of the United States”
“The President of the United States”
EAT.......A......DICK you troll
Still zero evidence that Obama told anybody to stand down and still no actual national elected politicians claiming that Obama told anybody to stand down. This is just a crazy conspiracy theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongYes apparently you are retardedQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Let me try yet again to break it down for you....I hope you're wearing a helmet
A: 2 orders to stand down were given....This is a FACT
B: Who gave the stand down orders? That is the answer the American people want
Representative Jason Chaffetz (R-UT), a member of the committee also said that “military personnel were ready willing and able, and within proximity, but the Pentagon told them they had no authority and to stand down.”
DANA LOESCH: “Because you have been an ambassador, you have been overseas with similar responsibilities and similar missions – who gives such an order to stand down? Where does that come from?”
REP. ANN WAGNER : “The President of the United States”
“The President of the United States”
“The President of the United States”
EAT.......A......DICK you troll
If you remember when this first happened you were trying to convice us that although you had no evidence to back it up you knew it was true because somebody you know in the military told you he was there and Obama told him to stand down. :)
Oh you've no doubt bought Obama's Sergeant Schultz defense "I know nothing, I see nothing"...what a good simple little water carrier you areQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
I do have a friend in the military and we did briefly talk about Benghazi right after it happened and he took "a few calls for it" and said "it looks like they (The White House) refused to offer help"....but I'm sure a bright fella like yourself would have better knowledge than someone experiencing the action of mobilizing to help out after the actual attack first hand...I mean you are ALWAYS too humble in what your view is.
Stand down orders WERE given and General Carter Ham who was in charge of the Africom forces was relieved of his duties for insubordination because he wanted to go against those stand down orders
TRR: Is a General losing his job over Benghazi? - Washington Times
Do you enjoy losing this debate? I don't much care for repeating the same things over and over in hopes that your tiny little brain might soak up some information, but whatever I'm in the right here and you have just been bitch slapped with the truth
You're just repeating outright bullshit (you have a friend!), conspiracy theories and assorted rubbish. You've so far offered zero evidence Obama told anybody to stand down. And you've got zero idea what the US military is actually capable of doing in a situation like this :Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongOh you've no doubt bought Obama's Sergeant Schultz defense "I know nothing, I see nothing"...what a good simple little water carrier you areQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
I do have a friend in the military and we did briefly talk about Benghazi right after it happened and he took "a few calls for it" and said "it looks like they (The White House) refused to offer help"....but I'm sure a bright fella like yourself would have better knowledge than someone experiencing the action of mobilizing to help out after the actual attack first hand...I mean you are ALWAYS too humble in what your view is.
Stand down orders WERE given and General Carter Ham who was in charge of the Africom forces was relieved of his duties for insubordination because he wanted to go against those stand down orders
TRR: Is a General losing his job over Benghazi? - Washington Times
Do you enjoy losing this debate? I don't much care for repeating the same things over and over in hopes that your tiny little brain might soak up some information, but whatever I'm in the right here and you have just been bitch slapped with the truth
Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability
By Jake Miller Former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates forcefully defended the Obama administration on Sunday against charges that it did not do enough to prevent the tragedy in Benghazi, telling CBS' "Face the Nation" that some critics of the administration have a "cartoonish impression of military capabilities and military forces."
Gates, a Republican who was appointed by then-President George W. Bush in 2006 and agreed to stay through more than two years of President Obama's first term, repeatedly declined to criticize the policymakers who devised a response to the September 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic facility in Benghazi, Libya, that left four Americans dead, including the U.S. Ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens.
"Frankly, had I been in the job at the time, I think my decisions would have been just as theirs were," said Gates, now the chancellor of the College of William and Mary.
"We don't have a ready force standing by in the Middle East, and so getting somebody there in a timely way would have been very difficult, if not impossible." he explained.
Suggestions that we could have flown a fighter jet over the attackers to "scare them with the noise or something," Gates said, ignored the "number of surface to air missiles that have disappeared from [former Libyan leader] Qaddafi's arsenals."
"I would not have approved sending an aircraft, a single aircraft, over Benghazi under those circumstances," he said.
Another suggestion posed by some critics of the administration, to, as Gates said, "send some small number of special forces or other troops in without knowing what the environment is, without knowing what the threat is, without having any intelligence in terms of what is actually going on on the ground, would have been very dangerous."
"It's sort of a cartoonish impression of military capabilities and military forces," he said. "The one thing that our forces are noted for is planning and preparation before we send people in harm's way, and there just wasn't time to do that."..............................
Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability - CBS News
Again...the main issue is not so much the actions of the military although I would like to know more about that especially the stand down orders that were given ... the MAIN ISSSUE, the CRUX OF THE SCANDAL is Why were the talking points changed?
94 emails and not 1 single solitary mention of a YouTube video....not 1 Kirkland......where did the idea to blame the video come from?
I'm pleased to see you've given up on the conspiracy theories. If you read the papers you'd know the anser to the question you're asking here. I don't even read every Benghazi article every day, I'll only read one if it looks like there's something new in it which means I read less than one in ten, and I know the answer to this question. I'm not going to tell you what it is, only that if you actually do read some non-nutjob stuff for a while it'll probably be repeated in some article and you won't like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
...and I'm pleased to see you're still an assholeQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingI'm pleased to see you've given up on the conspiracy theories. If you read the papers you'd know the anser to the question you're asking here. I don't even read every Benghazi article every day, I'll only read one if it looks like there's something new in it which means I read less than one in ten, and I know the answer to this question. I'm not going to tell you what it is, only that if you actually do read some non-nutjob stuff for a while it'll probably be repeated in some article and you won't like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
http://directactionstation.com/wp-co...-thumbs-up.jpg
You gotta admit, Kirk. Ol' Lyle is a master at the counter-argument.
:rolleyes:
Kirkland STILL has yet to answer where the President was, not that he cares because he's not American....but hey Obama wants to sick the IRS on Conservative groups that's fine by Kirkland, Obama wants to sweep Benghazi under the rug to get reelected that's fine by Kirkland, Obama wants to illegally (oooh did I say that?) seize phone records of the AP, wants to name James Rosen as a "co-conspirator" so they can illegally (oh there's that word again) access Rosen's private emails...that's fine by Kirkland.
The only thing that's not fine by Kirkland, Presidents named Bush or that have an R beside their name. Why is that? Well that's because Kirkland is your stereotypical dirtbag liberal who doesn't give a shit about rules and regulations until it helps his agenda.
That a decent enough counter argument you contrarian dope?
I actually don't give a fuck what you think, Lyle.
You must else you wouldn't follow my every post with something contrarian. How about you keep track of how often you do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by El KabongYou must else you wouldn't follow my every post with something contrarian. How about you keep track of how often you do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
The tornado post? That was done without the slightest bad intentions. Only someone as consumed as you by anger, and an intense persecution complex... would respond the way you did.
Who started the fucking insults, Lyle? Who?
Why don't you get off your fucking high horse and face the fact that you're a deluded, angry, pompous blowhard... who goes out of his way to insult anyone who doesn't agree with you.
You're incapable of admitting when you're wrong. It's takes a man to do that... and apparently you haven't reached that stage yet.
My response to you in the tornado thread was civil, GODDAM IT. And you trashed it all to hell. And then I got the fucking mods coming in and complaining..... when it was you who began the hostilities. Then..... like a fucking, whiny little kid.... you say.... "oh, he started it." You fucking pathetic redneck loser.
Go fuck yourself.
I didn't begin the hostilities Missy began with her post about Obama (yes, in the tornado thread) and I attempted to correct her and give her a chance to take it easy with her untimely jesting at the suffering people of Oklahoma and you come to her rescue to try and negate what I had posted in attempting to educate some people from nations that don't experience tornadoes about them.....ahem....how many tornadoes does Puerto Rico experience? Yeah...that's what I thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongYou must else you wouldn't follow my every post with something contrarian. How about you keep track of how often you do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
The tornado post? That was done without the slightest bad intentions. Only someone as consumed as you by anger, and an intense persecution complex... would respond the way you did.
Who started the fucking insults, Lyle? Who?
Why don't you get off your fucking high horse and face the fact that you're a deluded, angry, pompous blowhard... who goes out of his way to insult anyone who doesn't agree with you.
You're incapable of admitting when you're wrong. It's takes a man to do that... and apparently you haven't reached that stage yet.
My response to you in the tornado thread was civil, GODDAM IT. And you trashed it all to hell. And then I got the fucking mods coming in and complaining..... when it was you who began the hostilities. Then..... like a fucking, whiny little kid.... you say.... "oh, he started it." You fucking pathetic redneck loser.
Go fuck yourself.
I'd admit if I was wrong......IF but in the tornado thread and in this one, I am correct and you sir are wrong. And if you didn't constantly knit pick on every little post I make, maybe I'd cut you some slack, but nah that's just not in your nature. If I say "up" you say "down" if I say "white" you say "black"....awful nice to know that no matter what I think there you are thinking the exact opposite...good job
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Originally Posted by El KabongI didn't begin the hostilities Missy began with her post about Obama (yes, in the tornado thread) and I attempted to correct her and give her a chance to take it easy with her untimely jesting at the suffering people of Oklahoma and you come to her rescue to try and negate what I had posted in attempting to educate some people from nations that don't experience tornadoes about them.....ahem....how many tornadoes does Puerto Rico experience? Yeah...that's what I thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongYou must else you wouldn't follow my every post with something contrarian. How about you keep track of how often you do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
The tornado post? That was done without the slightest bad intentions. Only someone as consumed as you by anger, and an intense persecution complex... would respond the way you did.
Who started the fucking insults, Lyle? Who?
Why don't you get off your fucking high horse and face the fact that you're a deluded, angry, pompous blowhard... who goes out of his way to insult anyone who doesn't agree with you.
You're incapable of admitting when you're wrong. It's takes a man to do that... and apparently you haven't reached that stage yet.
My response to you in the tornado thread was civil, GODDAM IT. And you trashed it all to hell. And then I got the fucking mods coming in and complaining..... when it was you who began the hostilities. Then..... like a fucking, whiny little kid.... you say.... "oh, he started it." You fucking pathetic redneck loser.
Go fuck yourself.
I'd admit if I was wrong......IF but in the tornado thread and in this one, I am correct and you sir are wrong. And if you didn't constantly knit pick on every little post I make, maybe I'd cut you some slack, but nah that's just not in your nature. If I say "up" you say "down" if I say "white" you say "black"....awful nice to know that no matter what I think there you are thinking the exact opposite...good job
Better sit down for this little tidbit:
I've agreed with you a hell of a lot more than you've agreed with me. On anything.
Touching story on the "I say white you say black" crap... but that's your persecution complex getting the better of you.
I got a different theory. You find me to be a convenient target for whatever anger you have, for whatever reason you may have. I let slide plenty of offhanded ethnic slams without responding in kind. But Lyle... it's not until we get downright nasty that you sit back and try some logic for a change.
Try to drop that "you're always contradicting my posts" phobia you seem to have, and approach each topic with a new, fresh open-mindedness. Either that, or put me on "ignore" since you're hell-bent on believing I do nothing but contradict your posts.
You know what I AGREE with your disagreeing that you disagree with all my posts. I hope that helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
The White House claim of ‘doctored emails...to smear the president’ - The Washington Post
When a White House aide uses the same word — “doctored” — on three television shows, you know it is a carefully crafted talking point. On top of that, he says that this was done to “smear the president.”
These are strong words concerning the 2012 attack in Benghazi, Libya, that resulted in the death of the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans. But is this a case of the White House communications chief taking liberties with the facts?
more lies...but hell I'm just a regular tax paying American citizen, it's not like the government owes me the truth or anything :rolleyes:
What was really impressive in this thread was that he had two conflicting conspiracy theories going and didn't realise. Obama was missingin action and ignoring what was going on but at the same time gave two separate orders to stand troops down. Much better to just pick one nutball idea and stick with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Do you want me to dig up the Julian Assange threads to see which of us is consistent on journalists leaking classified information and which of us is motivated by politics and ideology?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
As far as the IRS goes did you see me mention it when the Bush IRS people were going after various liberal/lefty groups like the NAACP? The Benghazi thing is just pathetic. Once you get past the nutjob theories all you're left with is arguing over a fucking talking points memo and whether calling something a terrorist act is the same as calling it an act of terrorism.
It's difficult running a plutocracy while pretending to be a democratic leader who respects the rule of law. Eventually the conflicts burst out into the open in every presidency.
Who would have thought that "SUPER GENIUS" KirklandLaing would not be able to follow that 1 of the events happened because they both couldn't take place at the same time which is what I was trying to get across to you. Either Obama was around & gave the stand down orders OR he left & went to sleep....one OR the other happened, why the White House hasn't clarified that is up for discussion, but a "crackpot conspiracy theory" this is not. Obama can feign ignorance for a lot of shit, it seems to be all he does recently but whenever there is credit to be taken he is on the fucking ball...amazing how that happens and people who can use common sense and critical thinking know Obama has done something very very wrong if not multiple things very very wrong, but some people don't take the blinders off Kirkland.
Sure a few months ago you could have chalked this up to "Lyle being a hater" but now drip, drip, drip....the truth comes out and I am vindicated in my stance against Obama and you look like a moron, well played sir :thumb:
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Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingWhat was really impressive in this thread was that he had two conflicting conspiracy theories going and didn't realise. Obama was missingin action and ignoring what was going on but at the same time gave two separate orders to stand troops down. Much better to just pick one nutball idea and stick with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
This is new to the pattern I've seen. His standard M.O. is:
- Post links or post quotes from totally biased, unreliable sources and attempt to force-feed them as facts.
- When # 1 fails, resort to angry insults and bullying.
- Childishly claim victory, and then takes his ball and goes home.
Alright so allow me to follow you two here....4 people died in Benghazi from an attack the CIA knew about in advance, jets weren't scrambled, the military was told to stand down or just simply didn't help because they were busy or something, the very minute the attack begins everyone on the ground, in the Pentagon,and in the Obama Administration knew it was Ansar Al Sharia an Al Queda group located in Libya. However emails are exchanged by various officials and the OFFICIAL Obama Administration story comes out as follows: "These attacks were the result of a protest due to a YouTube video" which is at BEST a lie and all this takes place in the middle of a Presidential Election....Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
And you two are OK with that? You see 0 wrong? You think the Administration handled this correctly?
What you actually got across, what you actually wrote was that both these things happened at the same time. There are posts where you're arguing that both these things happened and calling me an idiot because I didn't agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
When Benghazi happened and the conspiracy theories started lots of Republicans locked onto them, whether it was "he left them there to die" or "he was missing/unconcrened while Americans fought for their lives". Despite months of politically-motivated GOP investigations there's no evidence of either thing -- you said yourself yesterday this is all about a fucking memo now -- but the reason you and others can't leave this alone is that it fits in with the idea you have of Obama -- that he's not authentically American, doesn't care about Americans and so on. So this Benghazi crap resonates with the kind of people who believe/d he was born in Kenya and is a non-event for everybody else.
As far as the jets being scrambled/other military stuff read that article I posted yesterday, about some Americans having a cartoonish idea of what the military is capable of and why those things weren't done. Then you're left arguing over a memo. What if they did change it in the middle of an election campaign? That would be the first time an administration altered a story in the midle of an election campaign? Every administration does stuff like this all the time. You're enraged because you hate Obama, a significant chunk of the country feels similarly, the rest of the country yawns.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAlright so allow me to follow you two here....4 people died in Benghazi from an attack the CIA knew about in advance, jets weren't scrambled, the military was told to stand down or just simply didn't help because they were busy or something, the very minute the attack begins everyone on the ground, in the Pentagon,and in the Obama Administration knew it was Ansar Al Sharia an Al Queda group located in Libya. However emails are exchanged by various officials and the OFFICIAL Obama Administration story comes out as follows: "These attacks were the result of a protest due to a YouTube video" which is at BEST a lie and all this takes place in the middle of a Presidential Election....Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
And you two are OK with that? You see 0 wrong? You think the Administration handled this correctly?