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Originally Posted by imp
You want to talk about money? Let's compare Floyd's vs Wlad's purses since you bring it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
How come I bet you blow GGG for Ishida , Proksa and Rosado while dumping on Floyd?
I don't care about K2 other than to mock their delusional fans
Have you ever been told you are an armchair warrior?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong:homo2:Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Go ahead, Floyd can move up and down in weight classes, he can pick and choose who to fight, Wlad's division is stagnant. Not because it's devoid of talent but because once you hit heavyweight you stay there, there's no superheavyweight division for guys to come down from and the cruiserweight division is for overachieving light heavies and underachieving smaller heavyweights very rarely do you get a cruiserweight who can successfully move to heavyweight and contend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
You bet? You sure do make a lot of assumptions about me...I'd be careful doing that.
Haven't you seen Ocean's Eleven? If the lights didn't go out Wlad was gonna get fucked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThat's the second time in this thread you've said Lewis proves how Lucky Wlad is. Now you either have a fantastic theory about Lewis and Wlad or you don't realise Wlad and Vitali are different human beings?Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeLook in 20 years we'll look back at Floyd and say how great he is, in 20 years will say Wlad got lucky to reign over a dead era and the Lewis fight proves it, Golota would reign over this era.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI take it that Reading Comprehension is not your strong suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I said Floyd would never fight someone like Duran and never will fight someone the caliber of Duran not because Floyd is "scared" but because Roberto Duran was that fucking good that there have been very few who even come close to his brilliance in the ring. It's not about Floyd being scared it's about Duran being a once in a lifetime fighter and an all-time great. And yet again, nobody is making the argument that Floyd is bad or Floyd sucks or Floyd isn't a Hall of Famer, All-Time great....Roberto Duran said he would have trouble with the guys he fought is all and rightfully so: Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, Benitez, Gomez...those guys are legends.
Onetime brought Wlad into the discussion, but you called me the "Wlad fan club" after my very first post in this thread, then you saideluding once again to Wlad. But yet you strove to "stay on topic" did you? You retreated from Onetime's indefensible argument is what you did.Quote:
The main weak divison today is the heavyweights. (Guess why)
I've not gotten nasty at all, I believe my arguments have been very even handed and if anything I have posted has been "nasty" I'll let any poster call me out on it.
Explain it please?
I actually made the no where else to go argument earlier, Floyd isn't ordinary I don't even like him as a person but if you don't get he's an ATG than I don't know what to tell youQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongGo ahead, Floyd can move up and down in weight classes, he can pick and choose who to fight, Wlad's division is stagnant. Not because it's devoid of talent but because once you hit heavyweight you stay there, there's no superheavyweight division for guys to come down from and the cruiserweight division is for overachieving light heavies and underachieving smaller heavyweights very rarely do you get a cruiserweight who can successfully move to heavyweight and contend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
You bet? You sure do make a lot of assumptions about me...I'd be careful doing that.
I pegged you as a K2 fan based just off your political views, you love GGG don't you?
Unbelievable.
Im now a homo.
Any other insults you care to throw around when the discussion doesnt go your way?
You mentioned you want the best to challenge themselves..can the same be said for Wlad?
What type of challenge do you want?
What's so "warrior" about my responses? I'm not challenging anyone to fisticuffs on here, I'm not "dissin" anyone's mama, I'm not doing anything other than verbally bending you over my knee and spanking you with the facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeHave you ever been told you are an armchair warrior?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong:homo2:Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
If you agree with imp's statement then....if we're intellectually honest with ourselves....you have 0 trouble with the Klitschko's and the heavyweight division because it becomes not a matter of WHO is fought but THAT they are fought. No doubt each fight is a challenge, but some are more challenging than others...you wouldn't equate a fist fight with a prime Tyson to a fist fight with Joan Rivers would you?
You said every fight isn't a challenge like you would know, I wish you would have the guts to say what you really think.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWhat's so "warrior" about my responses? I'm not challenging anyone to fisticuffs on here, I'm not "dissin" anyone's mama, I'm not doing anything other than verbally bending you over my knee and spanking you with the facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeHave you ever been told you are an armchair warrior?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong:homo2:Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
If you agree with imp's statement then....if we're intellectually honest with ourselves....you have 0 trouble with the Klitschko's and the heavyweight division because it becomes not a matter of WHO is fought but THAT they are fought. No doubt each fight is a challenge, but some are more challenging than others...you wouldn't equate a fist fight with a prime Tyson to a fist fight with Joan Rivers would you?
Believe it. No you're not a homo, but your argument was pretty gay "every fight is a challenge" means I'm "challenged" if I fight Lennox Lewis or Nelson Mandela....do you see how that COULD be wrong, it's like comparing Floyd's fight vs Kino Rodriguez to the fight vs Diego Corrales. Now maybe it's just me but I saw Chico Corrales as a lot more dangerous and challenging than Kino Rodriguez...but hey maybe you don't see it that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Wlad is a heavyweight, fighters can move up to face him but he can't move to get better fights, superfights with guys who are a weight class or two south of him...Mayweather can. If Floyd wanted to he could say "I'm going to go for the middleweight title"....due to his size and the way the divisions are set up Wlad can't do that. All Wlad can do is just defend his titles....2nd or 3rd longest reigning heavyweight champion of all time, not too shabby historically
Just say Wlad is whiteQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongBelieve it. No you're not a homo, but your argument was pretty gay "every fight is a challenge" means I'm "challenged" if I fight Lennox Lewis or Nelson Mandela....do you see how that COULD be wrong, it's like comparing Floyd's fight vs Kino Rodriguez to the fight vs Diego Corrales. Now maybe it's just me but I saw Chico Corrales as a lot more dangerous and challenging than Kino Rodriguez...but hey maybe you don't see it that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Wlad is a heavyweight, fighters can move up to face him but he can't move to get better fights, superfights with guys who are a weight class or two south of him...Mayweather can. If Floyd wanted to he could say "I'm going to go for the middleweight title"....due to his size and the way the divisions are set up Wlad can't do that. All Wlad can do is just defend his titles....2nd or 3rd longest reigning heavyweight champion of all time, not too shabby historically
Come on now, read between the lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWhat's so "warrior" about my responses? I'm not challenging anyone to fisticuffs on here, I'm not "dissin" anyone's mama, I'm not doing anything other than verbally bending you over my knee and spanking you with the facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeHave you ever been told you are an armchair warrior?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong:homo2:Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
If you agree with imp's statement then....if we're intellectually honest with ourselves....you have 0 trouble with the Klitschko's and the heavyweight division because it becomes not a matter of WHO is fought but THAT they are fought. No doubt each fight is a challenge, but some are more challenging than others...you wouldn't equate a fist fight with a prime Tyson to a fist fight with Joan Rivers would you?
What type of challenge do you want?
You said it. What type of challenge must floyd take?
Obviously, duran took all the challenges.
What challenge does floyd need to make him duran(isk)
Because I do know, fighting Prime Ali isn't the same as fighting Peter McNeeley that's just common damn sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
What are you assuming that I'm holding back Onetime?
I like the Alvarez fight, I don't like the catchweight, especially after Floyd didn't bother making the weight vs JMM and he gave Pac all that shit about catchweight fights and I'm no Pac fan either but fair is fair. If you're going to give a guy shit for having catchweight fights don't fucking turn around and make one for yourself, it's hypocritical.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I'd like Floyd vs Martinez or Floyd vs Pac...not that I'm a fan of Floyd, Pac, or Martinez but as a boxing fan those are big event fights. Floyd simply doesn't have the Leonard's, Hearns', and Duran's to fight....to his credit he did fight Shane & Oscar albeit at the end of their careers but those were still big wins.
Duran was a workhorse his record is 103-16, he took quite a few challenges he also fought long after his prime was over. I don't want or expect Floyd to do either of those things, I just want him to fight the best available fighters out there on a level playing field. That last part is just pertaining to ring size, catchweights, etc I have never and would never accuse Floyd of any underhanded tactics.
Oh, so that's your problem with him then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
Nope I don't target Wlad or Vitali but you attack Floyd, really I don't care about K2 but Floyd being great annoys you.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongOh, so that's your problem with him then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
Never said if you were a GGG fan I suspect you are.
You don't target Wlad or Vitali but you brought them up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
I didn't attack Floyd, I just said he'd never fight someone like Duran because Roberto Duran is the Greatest Lightweight of All-Time and one of the best pound-4-pound boxers in the history of the sport.....those don't come around every day you know. So I wasn't "attacking" Floyd, I was putting Duran in perspective. Floyd being great annoys me? I want you to count how many time that I said Floyd was great in this thread alone....go ahead count 'em up
GGG decent fighter, would I consider myself a fan? No. I was a fan of Tavoris Cloud...rather disappointed he didn't get some title shots sooner, but whatever it happens. I like Joe Hanks too, but he just lost as well. I like Deontay Wilder, I am a Miguel Cotto fan, I liked Andy Lee...race simply isn't an issue with the boxers I like and don't like....hate to disappoint you man :shakehead:
Cut the tomfoolery.The notion that Floyd Mayweather would have "been ordinary" in Durans time, Robinsons time, Gans time or any other time is borderline boxing inept.
Finally, an answer instead of insults.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI like the Alvarez fight, I don't like the catchweight, especially after Floyd didn't bother making the weight vs JMM and he gave Pac all that shit about catchweight fights and I'm no Pac fan either but fair is fair. If you're going to give a guy shit for having catchweight fights don't fucking turn around and make one for yourself, it's hypocritical.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I'd like Floyd vs Martinez or Floyd vs Pac...not that I'm a fan of Floyd, Pac, or Martinez but as a boxing fan those are big event fights. Floyd simply doesn't have the Leonard's, Hearns', and Duran's to fight....to his credit he did fight Shane & Oscar albeit at the end of their careers but those were still big wins.
Duran was a workhorse his record is 103-16, he took quite a few challenges he also fought long after his prime was over. I don't want or expect Floyd to do either of those things, I just want him to fight the best available fighters out there on a level playing field. That last part is just pertaining to ring size, catchweights, etc I have never and would never accuse Floyd of any underhanded tactics.
Canelo wanted the catchweight and floyd agreed. Either way, i dont agree with catchweights anyway.
Floyd IS fighting the best available fighters AND he is the first (i think in boxing) to bring in the olympic style testing to make both fighters on an even playing field.
You mentioned the competition as in theres not the leonard, hearns or durans of today but just because the rounds are shorter and theres more money involved does not mean these guys that put on the same boxing equipment and mouth guards are any less.
Lets find a comparable four fighters that could give these 80s legends a challenge..
But we could all see Floyd avoid fighting Duran at lightweight because he was with Arum, on PED's, not enough money etcQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
@Onetime, I have to ask....where's all the vitriol you used to throw my way under your other screen names? Have we grown out of that then?
Honestly i think Mayweather gets crushed by Hearns thats not a great match up for him. I think he loses to Leonard i think Ray was just as good and was far more powerful. Duran i think may get ud most likely at welterweight more so then lightweight. Mayweather vs Benitez would be a bad watch not sure who would win but the fight would be shit. I Think Mayweather is in the top 15 in atg and out of the top guys form the 80's i see Hearns and Leonard beating him. I don't know who brought Wald up but he most likely will be top ten atg heavy if he keeps on winning the way he is.
No other account, don't even know how to put an avi on here, you scream Euro hugger to me, so it's weird to see you down talk a great while being a fan of someone considered lesser by most fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongYou don't target Wlad or Vitali but you brought them up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
I didn't attack Floyd, I just said he'd never fight someone like Duran because Roberto Duran is the Greatest Lightweight of All-Time and one of the best pound-4-pound boxers in the history of the sport.....those don't come around every day you know. So I wasn't "attacking" Floyd, I was putting Duran in perspective. Floyd being great annoys me? I want you to count how many time that I said Floyd was great in this thread alone....go ahead count 'em up
GGG decent fighter, would I consider myself a fan? No. I was a fan of Tavoris Cloud...rather disappointed he didn't get some title shots sooner, but whatever it happens. I like Joe Hanks too, but he just lost as well. I like Deontay Wilder, I am a Miguel Cotto fan, I liked Andy Lee...race simply isn't an issue with the boxers I like and don't like....hate to disappoint you man :shakehead:
Maybe sarcastic but another good point made.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBut we could all see Floyd avoid fighting Duran at lightweight because he was with Arum, on PED's, not enough money etcQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
How many professional boxers of old got away with steroid abuse compared to stricter controls that we have now (well, the controls arent perfect now but alot better!)
There was not an inkling of olympic style testing then (in boxing) so who knows how many great fighters werent so great after all.
Then again, how longs a piece of string.
Those were all legit reasons you know Top Rank won't work with Golden Boy and good will efforts like letting Lara and PDL fight Top Rank guys got them nothing and a robbery.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBut we could all see Floyd avoid fighting Duran at lightweight because he was with Arum, on PED's, not enough money etcQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Manny said he's scared of needles while having tats.
In the USA the cable company takes half the PPV money I assure you the numbers Arum wanted were unrealistic
Playing devils advocate..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
An injured floyd mayweather sr took the fight with a prime leonard and took him ten rounds..wonder what his prime son would have done.
Hearns crushing floyd? Is it the height and power that scares everyone? Leonard cracked the code im pretty sure floyd would. Does floyd fight well against tall rangy fighters?
I agree with duran and wilfred.
Floyd owns both.
Are we forgetting the marvelous one?..
Have you seen Leonard batter Senior for the whole fight, it was not a contest and Senior was surviving and very negative.Quote:
Originally Posted by impPlaying devils advocate..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
An injured floyd mayweather sr took the fight with a prime leonard and took him ten rounds..wonder what his prime son would have done.
Hearns crushing floyd? Is it the height and power that scares everyone? Leonard cracked the code im pretty sure floyd would. Does floyd fight well against tall rangy fighters?
I agree with duran and wilfred.
Floyd owns both.
Are we forgetting the marvelous one?..
It saddens me how a great fighter like Donald Curry often gets left out in these debates..
His prime was short but Curry was the epitome of a boxer-puncher and I think a fight with Floyd would have been evenly matched.
Donald Curry!!!
DISCLAIMER:I'm a fan of boxing, I have an opinion.....this opinion is probably not the same as your own, you have been warned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
Did you count and see how many times I called Floyd great or did you just ASSUME I was bullshitting? How much more great do you want me to say Floyd is? Every other sentence in all of my posts is something to the effect of "Floyd is great, nobody is arguing he isn't"
Euro hugger? So first I'm racist and now I just like people from Europe? ....the other posters should get a laugh about that one
Agreed Curry was beautiful and efficient, I could watch him fight all day, peak Curry beats Floyd but again Donald was a natural welterweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Well for one Hagler is a mw so no way in hell Mayweather would get in the ring with him. Mayweather i do not think has the chin walk through Hearns shots and knock him out like Leonard did. Leonard battered sr that fight was a ass kicking and i think Mayweather would lose a ud Lenoard I think was a better fighter and if had to could brawl some. I mean all bs anyhow just my take on it i mean none of this really matters because it never happen. I still trying to figure out how the fuck Wald got into this one its funny.
He was brought up by someone who questioned my view of Floyd Mayweather and Roberto Duran to try to get me riled and off topicQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Wlad gets into everything fella..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
The only thing he doesnt get into is a fight.
Lol
Well what ever the case Mayweather a great fighter i don't think he is the greatest but he is in top 15. As for Wald since he in this some how is a great fight as well has reign over the division for 10 years and if he keeps it up i mean he is top ten hw. I mean i dont think division is that bad Wald is just so far above it it seems that way. I mean when it comes to fighters it is really hard to judge how great they are really. I mean this sport has been around so long and there has been so many great fighters it is a toss up most of the time.
If you talk like you talk about Floyd than yes you have a stupid opinion, with your political views and being a K2 fan I can figure you out.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongDISCLAIMER:I'm a fan of boxing, I have an opinion.....this opinion is probably not the same as your own, you have been warned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
Did you count and see how many times I called Floyd great or did you just ASSUME I was bullshitting? How much more great do you want me to say Floyd is? Every other sentence in all of my posts is something to the effect of "Floyd is great, nobody is arguing he isn't"
Euro hugger? So first I'm racist and now I just like people from Europe? ....the other posters should get a laugh about that one
Basically you are a hypocrite or a racist.
If you're going to call me either of those things then provide reasons and examples.... back up your name callingQuote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeIf you talk like you talk about Floyd than yes you have a stupid opinion, with your political views and being a K2 fan I can figure you out.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongDISCLAIMER:I'm a fan of boxing, I have an opinion.....this opinion is probably not the same as your own, you have been warned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
Did you count and see how many times I called Floyd great or did you just ASSUME I was bullshitting? How much more great do you want me to say Floyd is? Every other sentence in all of my posts is something to the effect of "Floyd is great, nobody is arguing he isn't"
Euro hugger? So first I'm racist and now I just like people from Europe? ....the other posters should get a laugh about that one
Basically you are a hypocrite or a racist.
You criticize Floyd who has the better resume, you get that Floyd is the size of most junior welters and has reigned over the welters, no way Wlad is greater than Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIf you're going to call me either of those things then provide reasons and examples.... back up your name callingQuote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeIf you talk like you talk about Floyd than yes you have a stupid opinion, with your political views and being a K2 fan I can figure you out.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongDISCLAIMER:I'm a fan of boxing, I have an opinion.....this opinion is probably not the same as your own, you have been warned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
Did you count and see how many times I called Floyd great or did you just ASSUME I was bullshitting? How much more great do you want me to say Floyd is? Every other sentence in all of my posts is something to the effect of "Floyd is great, nobody is arguing he isn't"
Euro hugger? So first I'm racist and now I just like people from Europe? ....the other posters should get a laugh about that one
Basically you are a hypocrite or a racist.
#1 Has ANYONE made that argument that "Wlad is greater than Floyd"?Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeYou criticize Floyd who has the better resume, you get that Floyd is the size of most junior welters and has reigned over the welters, no way Wlad is greater than Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIf you're going to call me either of those things then provide reasons and examples.... back up your name callingQuote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeIf you talk like you talk about Floyd than yes you have a stupid opinion, with your political views and being a K2 fan I can figure you out.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongDISCLAIMER:I'm a fan of boxing, I have an opinion.....this opinion is probably not the same as your own, you have been warned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
Did you count and see how many times I called Floyd great or did you just ASSUME I was bullshitting? How much more great do you want me to say Floyd is? Every other sentence in all of my posts is something to the effect of "Floyd is great, nobody is arguing he isn't"
Euro hugger? So first I'm racist and now I just like people from Europe? ....the other posters should get a laugh about that one
Basically you are a hypocrite or a racist.
#2 What part about what you have aid aabout me makes me "racist"?
Okay is Wlad greater?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong#1 Has ANYONE made that argument that "Wlad is greater than Floyd"?Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeYou criticize Floyd who has the better resume, you get that Floyd is the size of most junior welters and has reigned over the welters, no way Wlad is greater than Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIf you're going to call me either of those things then provide reasons and examples.... back up your name callingQuote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeIf you talk like you talk about Floyd than yes you have a stupid opinion, with your political views and being a K2 fan I can figure you out.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongDISCLAIMER:I'm a fan of boxing, I have an opinion.....this opinion is probably not the same as your own, you have been warned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
Did you count and see how many times I called Floyd great or did you just ASSUME I was bullshitting? How much more great do you want me to say Floyd is? Every other sentence in all of my posts is something to the effect of "Floyd is great, nobody is arguing he isn't"
Euro hugger? So first I'm racist and now I just like people from Europe? ....the other posters should get a laugh about that one
Basically you are a hypocrite or a racist.
#2 What part about what you have aid aabout me makes me "racist"?
NoQuote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeOkay is Wlad greater?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong#1 Has ANYONE made that argument that "Wlad is greater than Floyd"?Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeYou criticize Floyd who has the better resume, you get that Floyd is the size of most junior welters and has reigned over the welters, no way Wlad is greater than Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIf you're going to call me either of those things then provide reasons and examples.... back up your name callingQuote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeIf you talk like you talk about Floyd than yes you have a stupid opinion, with your political views and being a K2 fan I can figure you out.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongDISCLAIMER:I'm a fan of boxing, I have an opinion.....this opinion is probably not the same as your own, you have been warned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
Did you count and see how many times I called Floyd great or did you just ASSUME I was bullshitting? How much more great do you want me to say Floyd is? Every other sentence in all of my posts is something to the effect of "Floyd is great, nobody is arguing he isn't"
Euro hugger? So first I'm racist and now I just like people from Europe? ....the other posters should get a laugh about that one
Basically you are a hypocrite or a racist.
#2 What part about what you have aid aabout me makes me "racist"?