Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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If Taylor can hurt Palvik that the hell do you think Calzaghe will do to him,he will fucking KO him easy.Palvik is just a new Jeff Lacy overratted like hell,Calzaghe will beat Palvik half to death
Palvik wil look like this after the Calzaghe fight;D
http://www.boxnews.com.ua/photos/866...Calzaghe16.jpg
You are a douche bag. Look at the power differnce between Taylor and Calzaghe. Taylor was accually able to hurt Hopkins when hopkins was younger and better. Joe had nothing to hurt him with. The only reason Pavlik got hurt is he stuck his chin out to show off. Showing off is something Calzaghe fans are used to. Sorry but Pavlik is not Robin Ried who probably won that fight with Calzaghe. He is not Omar Sheika , Mario Viet, Toker Pudwill , or Kabery Salem. He is way better. If you think Calzaghe is going to slap Pavlik to a knockout you are crazy. Joe has nothing that will hurt him . Pavlik on the other hand is way stronger , and more busy than Hopkins with the same chin. Pavlik on the other hand could floor Calzaghe with no problem.
And I thought the Hatton fanboys were bad :rolleyes:.
The guy is a douche bag because he thinks a guy in the top 5 p4p could beat the dude you have a massive hard-on for? I think Calzaghe - Pavlik would be a pick em fight, I'd lean towards Pavlik, but you could make a good case for Calzaghe as well. You can criticize JC's record, I've done it myself, but here's a news flash for you: Calzaghe is better than Taylor, Miranda, and Lockett - and Pavlik has plently of bums on his padded record as well.
So you would agreer that Pavlik is a Lacy type fighter who would be blown to bits by Caqlfage's great world class power slapping ability. OTFLMAO. He is a Northeast Ohioan like my self and has blown everyone up in front of him. Unlike cutting it close with Hopkins and Ried.
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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You are a douche bag. Look at the power differnce between Taylor and Calzaghe. Taylor was accually able to hurt Hopkins when hopkins was younger and better. Joe had nothing to hurt him with. The only reason Pavlik got hurt is he stuck his chin out to show off. Showing off is something Calzaghe fans are used to. Sorry but Pavlik is not Robin Ried who probably won that fight with Calzaghe. He is not Omar Sheika , Mario Viet, Toker Pudwill , or Kabery Salem. He is way better. If you think Calzaghe is going to slap Pavlik to a knockout you are crazy. Joe has nothing that will hurt him . Pavlik on the other hand is way stronger , and more busy than Hopkins with the same chin. Pavlik on the other hand could floor Calzaghe with no problem.
And I thought the Hatton fanboys were bad :rolleyes:.
The guy is a douche bag because he thinks a guy in the top 5 p4p could beat the dude you have a massive hard-on for? I think Calzaghe - Pavlik would be a pick em fight, I'd lean towards Pavlik, but you could make a good case for Calzaghe as well. You can criticize JC's record, I've done it myself, but here's a news flash for you: Calzaghe is better than Taylor, Miranda, and Lockett - and Pavlik has plently of bums on his padded record as well.
So you would agreer that Pavlik is a Lacy type fighter who would be blown to bits by Caqlfage's great world class power slapping ability. OTFLMAO. He is a Northeast Ohioan like my self and has blown everyone up in front of him. Unlike cutting it close with Hopkins and Ried.
I said nothing about Pavlik being a Lacy-type fighter. In fact, I said I thought Pavlik would win if he fought JC, but calling someone a douche because he disagrees with you and thinks you favorite fighter could actually lose a fight is just stupid. Pavlik has not blown everyone up in front of him, he'd KO'd Taylor, which was impressive, but then he went life and death with him in the rematch. The fight was up for grabs in the 11th and 12th rounds, and in the eyes of most people Pavlik edged it. It was a close fight just like JC-Hopkins, regardless of the styles of the fighters. He was almost stopped in the first fight with Taylor as well, the reason he was almost stopped is immaterial. I really like Pavlik, but I liked him a lot before his fanboys started calling he name from the mountain tops, calling him Godzilla, and comparing him to Hagler and Marciano.
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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CFH
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southakron314
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CFH
And I thought the Hatton fanboys were bad :rolleyes:.
The guy is a douche bag because he thinks a guy in the top 5 p4p could beat the dude you have a massive hard-on for? I think Calzaghe - Pavlik would be a pick em fight, I'd lean towards Pavlik, but you could make a good case for Calzaghe as well. You can criticize JC's record, I've done it myself, but here's a news flash for you: Calzaghe is better than Taylor, Miranda, and Lockett - and Pavlik has plently of bums on his padded record as well.
So you would agreer that Pavlik is a Lacy type fighter who would be blown to bits by Caqlfage's great world class power slapping ability. OTFLMAO. He is a Northeast Ohioan like my self and has blown everyone up in front of him. Unlike cutting it close with Hopkins and Ried.
I said nothing about Pavlik being a Lacy-type fighter. In fact, I said I thought Pavlik would win if he fought JC, but calling someone a douche because he disagrees with you and thinks you favorite fighter could actually lose a fight is just stupid. Pavlik has not blown everyone up in front of him, he'd KO'd Taylor, which was impressive, but then he went life and death with him in the rematch. The fight was up for grabs in the 11th and 12th rounds, and in the eyes of most people Pavlik edged it. It was a close fight just like JC-Hopkins, regardless of the styles of the fighters. He was almost stopped in the first fight with Taylor as well, the reason he was almost stopped is immaterial. I really like Pavlik, but I liked him a lot before his fanboys started calling he name from the mountain tops, calling him Godzilla, and comparing him to Hagler and Marciano.
I think America was in desperate need of a fighter like Pavlik though, someone that is young, in exciting fights and humble enough to back.
I'm not ready to bet the mortgage on him, but it's about time there was an American that could generate fanboys to the level of PAC and Hatton.
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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CFH
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So you would agreer that Pavlik is a Lacy type fighter who would be blown to bits by Caqlfage's great world class power slapping ability. OTFLMAO. He is a Northeast Ohioan like my self and has blown everyone up in front of him. Unlike cutting it close with Hopkins and Ried.
I said nothing about Pavlik being a Lacy-type fighter. In fact, I said I thought Pavlik would win if he fought JC, but calling someone a douche because he disagrees with you and thinks you favorite fighter could actually lose a fight is just stupid. Pavlik has not blown everyone up in front of him, he'd KO'd Taylor, which was impressive, but then he went life and death with him in the rematch. The fight was up for grabs in the 11th and 12th rounds, and in the eyes of most people Pavlik edged it. It was a close fight just like JC-Hopkins, regardless of the styles of the fighters. He was almost stopped in the first fight with Taylor as well, the reason he was almost stopped is immaterial. I really like Pavlik, but I liked him a lot before his fanboys started calling he name from the mountain tops, calling him Godzilla, and comparing him to Hagler and Marciano.
I think America was in desperate need of a fighter like Pavlik though, someone that is young, in exciting fights and humble enough to back.
I'm not ready to bet the mortgage on him, but it's about time there was an American that could generate fanboys to the level of PAC and Hatton.
Fair enough, I just hate fanboys in all their forms. Drives me nuts.
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
This to me all depends on what weight its gonna be at. The heavier the better I would think for Joe. Although Kelly may have the frame to move up with ease. I think Pavlik and Joe will trade this would be alot more entertaining than the B-Hop fight. Gotta go with Pavlik's power at this point.
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Another thing. I would like to add something else to this. Some people think Pavlik looks slow but he never pulls back for his power shots. Alot of fighters do. Pavlik doesnt need to . He pushes his punches out. Now pushing your punches is bad if you are a weak striker. Pavlik is not. Thats what makes him land and land those power shots often. He is almost night and day of a better fighter than the Pavlik we saw in the Miranda fight. He almost bats a hand away from your face with a short easy jab and the right hand is fired right on the mark. Lockett probably did not even see the puches that hurt him. I do not see Joe lasting 12 rounds as slow as he looked agianst boxing's grandpal.Kelly will do everything you say and I believe he knocks him out between round 5 - 8.
If Taylor can hurt Palvik that the hell do you think Calzaghe will do to him,he will fucking KO him easy.Palvik is just a new Jeff Lacy overratted like hell,Calzaghe will beat Palvik half to death
Palvik wil look like this after the Calzaghe fight;D
http://www.boxnews.com.ua/photos/866...Calzaghe16.jpg
You are a douche bag. Look at the power differnce between Taylor and Calzaghe. Taylor was accually able to hurt Hopkins when hopkins was younger and better. Joe had nothing to hurt him with. The only reason Pavlik got hurt is he stuck his chin out to show off. Showing off is something Calzaghe fans are used to. Sorry but Pavlik is not Robin Ried who probably won that fight with Calzaghe. He is not Omar Sheika , Mario Viet, Toker Pudwill , or Kabery Salem. He is way better. If you think Calzaghe is going to slap Pavlik to a knockout you are crazy. Joe has nothing that will hurt him . Pavlik on the other hand is way stronger , and more busy than Hopkins with the same chin. Pavlik on the other hand could floor Calzaghe with no problem.
You opion,mine is Kessler and calzaghe will beat you overratted boy,just like this bum to Lacy,Palvik are just
another overratted us fighter,because US don`t are the mekka of boxing anymore
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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This to me all depends on what weight its gonna be at. The heavier the better I would think for Joe. Although Kelly may have the frame to move up with ease. I think Pavlik and Joe will trade this would be alot more entertaining than the B-Hop fight. Gotta go with Pavlik's power at this point.
I agree. If the extra weight slows Pavlik down, it's going to be a big benefit for JC. I thought Pavlik was much less effective at 166 against Taylor, he looked slower and more sloppy, but that probably has a lot more to do with the adjustments that Taylor made than the weight. I think Pavlik wins, but if JC can exploit Pavlik's plodding, straight ahead nature it could get interesting. One big problem for JC is that Pavlik is very good at cutting off the ring.
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Ive gone for Pavlik because his punches are just to hard and often.Lockett after 2 an a half rounds looked like he had done more than 12 rounds.I think he stops Calzaghe
I like Calzaghe, But if he comes winging wide pillow punches at Pavlik, It will be a short night. Pavlik has fought the better opposition until now. Pavlik by mid to Early/late stoppage.
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Ive gone for Pavlik because his punches are just to hard and often.Lockett after 2 an a half rounds looked like he had done more than 12 rounds.I think he stops Calzaghe
I like Calzaghe, But if he comes winging wide pillow punches at Pavlik, It will be a short night.
Pavlik has fought the better opposition until now. Pavlik by mid to Early/late stoppage.
I agree with everything except the bolded part. JC has fought the better competition. If only because of Hopkins and Kessler.
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Ive gone for Pavlik because his punches are just to hard and often.Lockett after 2 an a half rounds looked like he had done more than 12 rounds.I think he stops Calzaghe
I like Calzaghe, But if he comes winging wide pillow punches at Pavlik, It will be a short night.
Pavlik has fought the better opposition until now. Pavlik by mid to Early/late stoppage.
I agree with everything except the bolded part. JC has fought the better competition. If only because of Hopkins and Kessler.
Fair enough, But Taylor toped Hopkins twice and Miranda called out Kessler and he wanted no part.
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I like Calzaghe, But if he comes winging wide pillow punches at Pavlik, It will be a short night. Pavlik has fought the better opposition until now. Pavlik by mid to Early/late stoppage.
I agree with everything except the bolded part. JC has fought the better competition. If only because of Hopkins and Kessler.
Fair enough, But Taylor toped Hopkins twice and Miranda called out Kessler and he wanted no part.
Hopkins, these days, is much more suited to the higher weights. I also remember thinking the 1st Taylor fight could've gone either way, but the 1st one bored me so much that I didn't bother to watch the 2nd. Im regards to Miranda-Kessler, I've read things implying both different things, some say it was Miranda's fault it didn't come together, some saying Kessler ditched the fight to fight for the title in his next fight. Either way, I'm 99% sure Kessler would've punished Miranda.
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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JC by unanimous decision
At 168 kessler is heavier handed than pavlik and JC managed to extinguish his threat early on.
I really dont buy into the whole pavlik phenomena, 2-3 decent wins dont make a great fighter.
Thats all it took for Calzaghe fans to be convinced. He only has a couple of great wins. One of them or two was controversial with Hopkins and Robin Ried.
THANK GOD SOMEONE SAID IT BEFORE I DID!! Pavlik's supposed 2-3 decent wins are arguably better than Calzaghe's 2-3 decent wins...
This is ridiculous. You guys can't honestly believe their records are comparable?
Pavlik's THREE best wins are Taylor - middleweight champ. Miranda - failed "world" title challenger and ?? ... There isn't even a 3rd
Calzaghe's best wins... (in no particular order)
1. Hopkins - Middleweight "great," Lightheavy champ
2. Eubank - Top 5 best ever supermiddle
3. Kessler - WBC/WBA UNBEATEN champ
4. Lacy - IBF UNBEATEN champ
5. Reid - WBC champ
6. Brewer - IBF champ
7. Mitchell - WBA champ
8. Woodhall - WBC champ
Calzaghe's win over Omar Sheika is on a par with Pavlik's 2nd best ever win.
Come on boys, get real ;)
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LETS MAKE THIS FIGHT HAPPEN PLEASE!IT WOULD BE FUCKING AWESOME NO DOUGHT!Like "Youngblood" mentioned earlier "It would be a bloodbath"i think too!Make it Calzaghes lasting RETIRING fight and the fight would be a cracker!!!I mean Calzaghe will find it really tought with just by the danger of Pavliks reputation,but Calzaghe will want to prove again how good he is and put on a great display to end his career.Of course Pavliks hard as foook and will be there to dismantle Calzaghes undefeated record before the Welsh man retires.....Thats what's going to make this fight soo good.Mouth watering:lickish:Come on promoters make his fight happen.It would be one of if not The Best fight of the year.....it has the ingrediants!!!!;D
Ya know, it certainly would make for good watching. If I was wrong about its outcome, I'd be the first to admit it plus I think it would be the ultimate exclamation mark on Joe's career. I just don't feel, and especially as Enzo was working the corner for Lockett, that he'd let the fight happen. Again, hope I am wrong.
Enzo would see Pavlik as an EASY fight for Joe. Fact.
;)
You mean the same Enzo who thought Lockett actually had a chance against Pavlik. :lolhaha: :LOLATYOU:
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Ya know, it certainly would make for good watching. If I was wrong about its outcome, I'd be the first to admit it plus I think it would be the ultimate exclamation mark on Joe's career. I just don't feel, and especially as Enzo was working the corner for Lockett, that he'd let the fight happen. Again, hope I am wrong.
Enzo would see Pavlik as an EASY fight for Joe. Fact.
;)
You mean the same Enzo who thought Lockett actually had a chance against Pavlik. :lolhaha: :LOLATYOU:
That's the point you thicko :lolhaha: :LOLATYOU:
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Enzo would see Pavlik as an EASY fight for Joe. Fact.
;)
You mean the same Enzo who thought Lockett actually had a chance against Pavlik. :lolhaha: :LOLATYOU:
That's the point you thicko :lolhaha: :LOLATYOU:
And looked what that type of thinking got Lockett. :lolhaha: :LOLATYOU:
