Re: Boxers who you think would NOT have been so great if not for their size
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Granted at 6 foot 7 is very tall . Your argument does not hold up to much scrutiny.
bullshit. Michael Granted was 6 foot 8. Now you are subtracting an inch.
p.s. Beanz. Those Fury clips prove shite mate, in the 2nd clip yes Fury goes down at 545 but he almost knocks out his opponent at 6:07. He reovered fast and held on due to his gargantuan size. Then lands a wicked overhand right. He only survived for his size, hanging on and clutching and smothering. Thats another thing a huge guy can do when hurt---clutch and smother and grab, the oppoent cannot even bee seen he is totally covered up as if by a giant squid.
Joe Frazier had nowhere to clutch and hold when Foreman batted him about the ring in '73. He was too small. Lewis could clutch and hold with his huge arms until he recovered, like Fury did in both of your clips.
Mentioning Joe Frazier and Tyson Fury in the same thread is heinous enough. The same post is really pushing it. The same paragraph is almost unforgivable. Anyone else and I would have put myself on ignore. I am now going off to cry into my whiskey. :eek:
Oh please. Such melodrama. "heinous", "unforgivable", "ignore", "cry", "whiskey"....:rolleyes:
Beanz you could be a script writer for a Korean drama. They make mountains out of mole hills over there!
It's called flair darling. I am an artist and I demand my 10%
Re: Boxers who you think would NOT have been so great if not for their size
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Mike Tyson.
If he were a 6ft 4 hulking mass of muscle, he'd be Frank Bruno.
bruno is thelb4lb best heavyweight of all time
He's one of the heaviest with one of the shortest reigns ;D
what are you on about?
Re: Boxers who you think would NOT have been so great if not for their size
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brocktonblockbust
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brocktonblockbust
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Greenbeanz
Granted at 6 foot 7 is very tall . Your argument does not hold up to much scrutiny.
bullshit. Michael Granted was 6 foot 8. Now you are subtracting an inch.
p.s. Beanz. Those Fury clips prove shite mate, in the 2nd clip yes Fury goes down at 545 but he almost knocks out his opponent at 6:07. He reovered fast and held on due to his gargantuan size. Then lands a wicked overhand right. He only survived for his size, hanging on and clutching and smothering. Thats another thing a huge guy can do when hurt---clutch and smother and grab, the oppoent cannot even bee seen he is totally covered up as if by a giant squid.
Joe Frazier had nowhere to clutch and hold when Foreman batted him about the ring in '73. He was too small. Lewis could clutch and hold with his huge arms until he recovered, like Fury did in both of your clips.
Mentioning Joe Frazier and Tyson Fury in the same thread is heinous enough. The same post is really pushing it. The same paragraph is almost unforgivable. Anyone else and I would have put myself on ignore. I am now going off to cry into my whiskey. :eek:
Oh please. Such melodrama. "heinous", "unforgivable", "ignore", "cry", "whiskey"....:rolleyes:
Beanz you could be a script writer for a Korean drama. They make mountains out of mole hills over there!
It's called flair darling. I am an artist and I demand my 10%
atleast have the balls to demand the 80% that Fury does.
Re: Boxers who you think would NOT have been so great if not for their size
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Greenbeanz
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Greenbeanz
Granted at 6 foot 7 is very tall . Your argument does not hold up to much scrutiny.
bullshit. Michael Granted was 6 foot 8. Now you are subtracting an inch.
p.s. Beanz. Those Fury clips prove shite mate, in the 2nd clip yes Fury goes down at 545 but he almost knocks out his opponent at 6:07. He reovered fast and held on due to his gargantuan size. Then lands a wicked overhand right. He only survived for his size, hanging on and clutching and smothering. Thats another thing a huge guy can do when hurt---clutch and smother and grab, the oppoent cannot even bee seen he is totally covered up as if by a giant squid.
Joe Frazier had nowhere to clutch and hold when Foreman batted him about the ring in '73. He was too small. Lewis could clutch and hold with his huge arms until he recovered, like Fury did in both of your clips.
Mentioning Joe Frazier and Tyson Fury in the same thread is heinous enough. The same post is really pushing it. The same paragraph is almost unforgivable. Anyone else and I would have put myself on ignore. I am now going off to cry into my whiskey. :eek:
Oh please. Such melodrama. "heinous", "unforgivable", "ignore", "cry", "whiskey"....:rolleyes:
Beanz you could be a script writer for a Korean drama. They make mountains out of mole hills over there!
It's called flair darling. I am an artist and I demand my 10%
atleast have the balls to demand the 80% that Fury does.
That's the whole point demanding 80% shows he has no balls.
Re: Boxers who you think would NOT have been so great if not for their size
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Greenbeanz
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brocktonblockbust
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brocktonblockbust
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Greenbeanz
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brocktonblockbust
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Greenbeanz
Granted at 6 foot 7 is very tall . Your argument does not hold up to much scrutiny.
bullshit. Michael Granted was 6 foot 8. Now you are subtracting an inch.
p.s. Beanz. Those Fury clips prove shite mate, in the 2nd clip yes Fury goes down at 545 but he almost knocks out his opponent at 6:07. He reovered fast and held on due to his gargantuan size. Then lands a wicked overhand right. He only survived for his size, hanging on and clutching and smothering. Thats another thing a huge guy can do when hurt---clutch and smother and grab, the oppoent cannot even bee seen he is totally covered up as if by a giant squid.
Joe Frazier had nowhere to clutch and hold when Foreman batted him about the ring in '73. He was too small. Lewis could clutch and hold with his huge arms until he recovered, like Fury did in both of your clips.
Mentioning Joe Frazier and Tyson Fury in the same thread is heinous enough. The same post is really pushing it. The same paragraph is almost unforgivable. Anyone else and I would have put myself on ignore. I am now going off to cry into my whiskey. :eek:
Oh please. Such melodrama. "heinous", "unforgivable", "ignore", "cry", "whiskey"....:rolleyes:
Beanz you could be a script writer for a Korean drama. They make mountains out of mole hills over there!
It's called flair darling. I am an artist and I demand my 10%
atleast have the balls to demand the 80% that Fury does.
That's the whole point demanding 80% shows he has no balls.
but he has flair :rolleyes:
Re: Boxers who you think would NOT have been so great if not for their size
I think ' a good big un usually beats a good small un'
Throughout history, there have been heavyweights who's main claim to fame (or success) has been their size: James J Jeffries, Primo Carnera, Buddy Baer, just to name a few old timers and to show that this debate isn't new.
In an unlimited weight class, of course the bigger guy has the advantage.
If Tyson Fury was not a whopping 6'8'', I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be undefeated by now.
Having said that, it does mean that people like Jack Dempsey, Rocky Marciano, Floyd Patterson, Joe Frazier and Mike Tyson should get perhaps even more credit by being the exceptions that prove the rule
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Vitali.. Vitali uses his height as a defensive mechanism as he leans back to avoid punches but without his height and reach, this would have been impossible for him. So yea, I pick Vitali as one of the guy who wouldnt have been what he is without his size..
Wlad on the other hand. I think he would have done well without his size due to his intelligence and boxing skills...
Re: Boxers who you think would NOT have been so great if not for their size
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Vitali.. Vitali uses his height as a defensive mechanism as he leans back to avoid punches but without his height and reach, this would have been impossible for him. So yea, I pick Vitali as one of the guy who wouldnt have been what he is without his size..
Wlad on the other hand. I think he would have done well without his size due to his intelligence and boxing skills...
Vitali's boxing style was born out of kickboxing...granted his height might give him the advantage to lean out of the way of punches better than most, but honestly he just sees punches coming so well he's hard to hit in general.
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Vitali.. Vitali uses his height as a defensive mechanism as he leans back to avoid punches but without his height and reach, this would have been impossible for him. So yea, I pick Vitali as one of the guy who wouldnt have been what he is without his size..
Wlad on the other hand. I think he would have done well without his size due to his intelligence and boxing skills...
Vitali's boxing style was born out of kickboxing...granted his height might give him the advantage to lean out of the way of punches better than most, but honestly he just sees punches coming so well he's hard to hit in general.
That is true and you have to remember at 79 inches Vitalis reach is shorter than most other Heavys, including guys like Ali who people just assume would not be able to compete today. When guys are trying to kick you in the head you develop good defences pretty quickly and though often that does not translate to making you a natural boxer there are exceptions and ways of building on that fighting foundation. At the other end of the Scale tiny Scott Quigg has a background in martial arts and it has definitely helped hone his reflexes, but he has built on that with great boxing specific footwork and punch picking skills. You play to your strengths but if you want to be great you can not let them define you. You have to become well rounded and bring your deficiencies up a level. Being huge but slow and clumsy is not gonna help just as being small quick but fundamentally unbalanced and easy to outwork will not win you belts.
Re: Boxers who you think would NOT have been so great if not for their size
can Marciano even REACH Vitali's chin with his 67 inch reach? :confused: Seriously let's do the math.
Marciano was 5 ft 10, so he could reach up about 20 inches from the shoulder joint ---
therefore if he threw a completely vertical overhand looping right, standing toe to toe with Vitali, his fist would be about 10 inches over his head. 5 ft 10 is 70 inches plus 10 inches is about 80 inches or 6 ft 8 inches. SO YES I suppose he could reach their chins.......
but who the fuck throws a completely vertical overhand right? and how is Marciano seriously going to land that punch on Vitali?
Re: Boxers who you think would NOT have been so great if not for their size
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can Marciano even REACH Vitali's chin with his 67 inch reach? :confused: Seriously let's do the math.
Marciano was 5 ft 10, so he could reach up about 20 inches from the shoulder joint ---
therefore if he threw a completely vertical overhand looping right, standing toe to toe with Vitali, his fist would be about 10 inches over his head. 5 ft 10 is 70 inches plus 10 inches is about 80 inches or 6 ft 8 inches. SO YES I suppose he could reach their chins.......
but who the fuck throws a completely vertical overhand right? and how is Marciano seriously going to land that punch on Vitali?
Maciano is never going to have to try and land that hand. Marciano is also one of the most atypical heavyweights of all time. Even back in the day most fighters were not 5ft 10 and had a longer than 67 inch reach. I don't really rate Marciano anyway :-\ :lickish:
;D
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Rock would of been crushed by a lot of heavyweights after the late 60's i think by to days rules he could be a cw or lhw in which he would be great. Saying that if he was a heavy weight these days he would have to put on 20 pounds and probably lose to top ten fighter and get crushed by the brothers.
Re: Boxers who you think would NOT have been so great if not for their size
Vitali is a tough tough man ........ but Marciano would have butted him, he would have punched his hips and hit his balls, he would have rubbed his laces in his face during clinches, he would have stamped on his toes and hit his kidneys and the back of his head.
People felt they had been in a scrap after they had been in the ring with Marciano.
