Re: Pac vs ODLH: Pac declines offer
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You see the numbers to Pac last PPV? That shows nobody really cares about Pac unless he's fighting another big name. Oscar can fight your mom and people will watch. He without a doubt deserves the bigger purse. And what the fukk is Pac even complaining about? That 30% is a career high purse. Take the money and fight. You ran your mouth. Now you going to biitch out?
umm which opponent do you think can make a fight against david diaz get better ppv numbers? you think oscar can? ;D
Do you know De La Hoya once sold out the Sun Bowl in El Paso, Texas with Patrick Charpentier as his opponent? It don't matter who Oscar fights. People will watch
PAC fully recognized Hoya as the main draw by giving Hoya the lion share or 60% of the purse. But the greedy 70-30 offer from Hoya is just unacceptable to PAC... End of negotiations...
Re: Pac vs ODLH: Pac declines offer
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umm which opponent do you think can make a fight against david diaz get better ppv numbers? you think oscar can? ;D
Do you know De La Hoya once sold out the Sun Bowl in El Paso, Texas with Patrick Charpentier as his opponent? It don't matter who Oscar fights. People will watch
PAC fully recognized Hoya as the main draw by giving Hoya the lion share or 60% of the purse. But the greedy 70-30 offer from Hoya is just unacceptable to PAC... End of negotiations...
Shear "Bullshit", dam Pac fans cry because the 2nd JMM fight did not materialize so soon because JMM wanted a larger percentage. No difference here except Pac just turned down an even larger load of money, (well, he gets to remain at 135) Same argument, ODLH is the vehicle behind the money as Pac was vs JMM ...
There is no $$$ @ 135 and I personally do not see a Hatton fight selling well in the USA. He will have to return to !30 to get decent purses vs Valero, Soto and Guzman.combined = a 30% cut vs ODLH.
Now we will see if he suffers JMM's same fate and loses against a lesser opponent.
Re: Pac vs ODLH: Pac declines offer
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I'm really confused on how I should feel about this Pac vs DLH fight. I don't want Manny to get seriously hurt but I want him to fight DLH coz I believe Pacman already wants to retire. The best way to retire is to get as much money as possible.:-\
As a true pac fan, I must honestly say that fighting ODLH is simply for the money. For me, nothing's wrong about this. Fighters do fight for the money. It's part of the game so there's nothing wrong about it. Pac had proven already that he will fight anybody. He had already proven his courage and this time it will be harvest time for his great contribution to the boxing world.:)
Besides, Pac is a philantrophist and he gives a portion of his earnings to my countrymen. This is primary the reason why I want him to have more of the split.:cool:
yes, I like how Pac remains grounded
Re: Pac vs ODLH: Pac declines offer
After PAC dumped Hoya the second time around we will see what Hoya will do... Maybe Hoya will cry "Waaa, this is getting too personal" ... ;D
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Re: Pac vs ODLH: Pac declines offer
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Violent Demise
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umm which opponent do you think can make a fight against david diaz get better ppv numbers? you think oscar can? ;D
Do you know De La Hoya once sold out the Sun Bowl in El Paso, Texas with Patrick Charpentier as his opponent? It don't matter who Oscar fights. People will watch
PAC fully recognized Hoya as the main draw by giving Hoya the lion share or 60% of the purse. But the greedy 70-30 offer from Hoya is just unacceptable to PAC... End of negotiations...
Come on now. Seriously. Think about it. That 30% is double his highest previous purse. He can't make that fighting anybody else. Yet he turns it down. And you call Oscar greedy? :LOLATYOU:
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SaddoBoxer
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Violent Demise
Do you know De La Hoya once sold out the Sun Bowl in El Paso, Texas with Patrick Charpentier as his opponent? It don't matter who Oscar fights. People will watch
PAC fully recognized Hoya as the main draw by giving Hoya the lion share or 60% of the purse. But the greedy 70-30 offer from Hoya is just unacceptable to PAC... End of negotiations...
Come on now. Seriously. Think about it. That 30% is double his highest previous purse. He can't make that fighting anybody else. Yet he turns it down. And you call Oscar greedy? :LOLATYOU:
30% is good for PBF since he was the challenger and Oscar was the champ at that time. Since then Oscar is on a steady decline. Oscar got beaten by PBF and marked heavily by Forbes in a sleeper fight plus Oscar got no more belt.
On the other hand PAC on steady rise, belt at 130, most exciting boxer, belt at 135, no. 1 P4P best boxer, etc. So IMO seriously PAC deserves 35 to 40 percent of the purse... Get it?
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KKisser
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You see the numbers to Pac last PPV? That shows nobody really cares about Pac unless he's fighting another big name. Oscar can fight your mom and people will watch. He without a doubt deserves the bigger purse. And what the fukk is Pac even complaining about? That 30% is a career high purse. Take the money and fight. You ran your mouth. Now you going to biitch out?
umm which opponent do you think can make a fight against david diaz get better ppv numbers? you think oscar can? ;D
Do you know De La Hoya once sold out the Sun Bowl in El Paso, Texas with Patrick Charpentier as his opponent? It don't matter who Oscar fights. People will watch
yeah right, when he was 10 years younger and at the peak of his career. sure oscar is still ppv king but you brought up manny's numbers fighting david diaz that's why i'm asking if anybody oscar included could turn in bigger ppv sales fighting against diaz.
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KKisser
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Violent Demise
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KKisser
umm which opponent do you think can make a fight against david diaz get better ppv numbers? you think oscar can? ;D
Do you know De La Hoya once sold out the Sun Bowl in El Paso, Texas with Patrick Charpentier as his opponent? It don't matter who Oscar fights. People will watch
yeah right, when he was 10 years younger and at the peak of his career. sure oscar is still ppv king but you brought up manny's numbers fighting david diaz
that's why i'm asking if anybody oscar included could turn in bigger ppv sales fighting against diaz.
Oscar-Diaz would have done at least twice as many PPV buys as pac-Diaz did. Maybe 3x more.
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KKisser
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Violent Demise
Do you know De La Hoya once sold out the Sun Bowl in El Paso, Texas with Patrick Charpentier as his opponent? It don't matter who Oscar fights. People will watch
yeah right, when he was 10 years younger and at the peak of his career. sure oscar is still ppv king but you brought up manny's numbers fighting david diaz
that's why i'm asking if anybody oscar included could turn in bigger ppv sales fighting against diaz.
Oscar-Diaz would have done at least twice as many PPV buys as pac-Diaz did. Maybe 3x more.
that would have gotten 3x more flack than the proposed pac-dlh fight. nobody would buy that.
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Every fight Oscar is in gets flack from us hardcores it seems, I even hated the idea of PBF-Mayweather at first, yet it's not us who makes the PPV buys.
This is a joke, if Mayweather got a 70/30 split, then what makes anyone believe Manny should get anymore then that? In the mainstream press, the ESPN crowd, Mayweather has more of a name then Pacquiao anyways.
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30% is good for PBF since he was the challenger and Oscar was the champ at that time.
The belt had absolutely zero importance in that fight. That fight was about having the biggest star in the sport against the #1 PFP fighter in the world. The belt at 154 was meaningless. Most belts are meaningless. Oscar didn't get 70% against Floyd because he was a beltholder. He got 70% because he was the draw. That's why Oscar feels he deserves 70% against Pacquiao as well, because he would be the draw, not Manny.
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that would have gotten 3x more flack than the proposed pac-dlh fight. nobody would buy that.
If you're saying "nobody would buy that" about a fight involving Oscar De La Hoya, then I question how much attention you've been paying to PPV totals over the last 15 years or so. Oscar is the biggest non-heavyweight PPV draw in the history of boxing. He could fight Danny G and do more PPV buys than Pacquiao could against Marquez.
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30% is good for PBF since he was the challenger and Oscar was the champ at that time.
The belt had absolutely zero importance in that fight. That fight was about having the biggest star in the sport against the #1 PFP fighter in the world. The belt at 154 was meaningless. Most belts are meaningless. Oscar didn't get 70% against Floyd because he was a beltholder. He got 70% because he was the draw. That's why Oscar feels he deserves 70% against Pacquiao as well, because he would be the draw, not Manny.
I also considered belts meaningless but mind you, belts has some bearing in purse negotiations...
You conveniently omitted these factors. Can you give opposing thoughts on this?
"Since then Oscar is on a steady decline. Oscar got beaten by PBF and marked heavily by Forbes in a sleeper fight.
On the other hand PAC on steady rise, belt at 130, most exciting boxer, belt at 135, no. 1 P4P best boxer, etc. So IMO seriously PAC deserves 35 to 40 percent of the purse... "
Oscar is the draw, it's a fact and giving 60% or 65% to Oscar is a clear indication that he's the draw otherwise Oscar gets 50% or less...
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Re: Pac vs ODLH: Pac declines offer
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"Since then Oscar is on a steady decline. Oscar got beaten by PBF and marked heavily by Forbes in a sleeper fight.
Losing to Floyd didn't indicate that Oscar was on a steady decline. In fact, I think most people thought Floyd would win in more convincing fashion than he actually did. Oscar was very competitive in that fight, more competitive than most experts thought he would be.
More importantly, Oscar's popularity (which is what effects purse splits) is not in decline. Oscar-Floyd broke all records, and then Oscar sold out a soccer stadium against a no-name in Forbes. And because this is being billed as Oscar's last fight, he will draw a huge audience again.
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On the other hand PAC on steady rise, belt at 130, most exciting boxer, belt at 135, no. 1 P4P best boxer, etc. So IMO seriously PAC deserves 35 to 40 percent of the purse... "
And how does this make Pacquiao any different than Floyd at the time of the Oscar fight last year? Floyd had risen thru 4 weight classes and was considered the #1 PFP fighter in the world. You label Pacquiao as the "most exciting boxer," yet that exciting style has not translated into PPV buys, because there are other factors that effect marketability besides a fighter's exciting style.
For example, a fighter like Floyd gets labeled as "boring", especially compared to someone like Pacquiao, but Floyd is still more marketable than Manny in a megafight because Floyd can do a much better job of promoting the fight to a US audience.
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Oscar is the draw, it's a fact and giving 60% or 65% to Oscar is a clear indication that he's the draw otherwise Oscar gets 50% or less...
But Oscar isn't just 60 or 65% of the draw, he's more than that. Look at the history of what Oscar has done in terms of PPV buys, and look at Pacquiao's history. Those numbers will show you that in an Oscar-Pacquiao fight, Oscar would be responsible for at least 70% of the people paying $50 to order the fight on PPV.
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SaddoBoxer
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SweetPea
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30% is good for PBF since he was the challenger and Oscar was the champ at that time.
The belt had absolutely zero importance in that fight. That fight was about having the biggest star in the sport against the #1 PFP fighter in the world. The belt at 154 was meaningless. Most belts are meaningless. Oscar didn't get 70% against Floyd because he was a beltholder. He got 70% because he was the draw. That's why Oscar feels he deserves 70% against Pacquiao as well, because he would be the draw, not Manny.
I also considered belts meaningless but mind you, belts has some bearing in purse negotiations...
You conveniently omitted these factors. Can you give opposing thoughts on this?
"Since then Oscar is on a steady decline. Oscar got beaten by PBF and marked heavily by Forbes in a sleeper fight.
On the other hand PAC on steady rise, belt at 130, most exciting boxer, belt at 135, no. 1 P4P best boxer, etc. So IMO seriously PAC deserves 35 to 40 percent of the purse... "
Oscar is the draw, it's a fact and giving 60% or 65% to Oscar is a clear indication that he's the draw otherwise Oscar gets 50% or less...
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Honestly,thats pretty Subjective for a quoted Pac set??And where do "Factors" and "IMO" meet up?;D
Oscar owns the traveling circus.....Pac is looking for a front row seat ticket.
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SaddoBoxer
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SweetPea
The belt had absolutely zero importance in that fight. That fight was about having the biggest star in the sport against the #1 PFP fighter in the world. The belt at 154 was meaningless. Most belts are meaningless. Oscar didn't get 70% against Floyd because he was a beltholder. He got 70% because he was the draw. That's why Oscar feels he deserves 70% against Pacquiao as well, because he would be the draw, not Manny.
I also considered belts meaningless but mind you, belts has some bearing in purse negotiations...
You conveniently omitted these factors. Can you give opposing thoughts on this?
"Since then Oscar is on a steady decline. Oscar got beaten by PBF and marked heavily by Forbes in a sleeper fight.
On the other hand PAC on steady rise, belt at 130, most exciting boxer, belt at 135, no. 1 P4P best boxer, etc. So IMO seriously PAC deserves 35 to 40 percent of the purse... "
Oscar is the draw, it's a fact and giving 60% or 65% to Oscar is a clear indication that he's the draw otherwise Oscar gets 50% or less...
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Honestly,thats pretty Subjective for a quoted Pac set??And where do "Factors" and "IMO" meet up?;D
Oscar owns the traveling circus.....Pac is looking for a front row seat ticket.
Why subjective when it's all facts:
- Hoya got beat by PBF
- Hoya marked by Forbes in a sleeper fight
- PAC got a 130 belt
- PAC considered as one of the most exciting boxers around
- PAC got a 135 belt
- PAC considered as no.1 P4P best boxer
Hoya is on the decline while PAC still on the rise. It's all fact.
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