How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?

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Originally Posted by purtyboy

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Originally Posted by brucelee

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Originally Posted by jamiebhoy

First point Bollox to the highlighted section.

Here's a link re the weight classes, no one is arguing really that Pac is WW champion, what the point is, is that he is dictating what weight his opponent comes in at , that's not how it works. The sanctioning bodies recognise the classes and should stop supporting catch weights.

List of boxing weight classes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Regarding the first point, read purtyboy's posts and you will see what I mean.:-X

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Well obviously anything that is or can be negative against Pac and the pac/nut hugers will call you a hater. :lickish:

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Yeah, I may be a fan of Manny but I will say negative things about him when I see his faults. It's clear that you're trying to undermine the belt Manny is currently holding. Why can't you for one moment try to stop on the hating and recognize that there is one great fighter among us.


Sorry but I can't consider yet your boy Mayweather as great because he hasn't really fought a great fight in the current weight he's in. IMO.

I know, Mayweather will be the most difficult fight Pac will have because of styles but that makes him a great fighter. He fights despite the risk. He fights despite the slim chance of success. That's why many of us here have become his fans. You may call me nuthugger because I have been his fan since day one here but Pac has proven already that I'm not wrong for hugging him.lol

If it would be possible though, stop undermining Pac's achievements. It makes you look like a hater of Pac and a hugger of PBF. I don't know which is worse.:-X

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Originally Posted by brucelee

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Originally Posted by purtyboy

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Originally Posted by brucelee

Regarding the first point, read purtyboy's posts and you will see what I mean.:-X

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Well obviously anything that is or can be negative against Pac and the pac/nut hugers will call you a hater. :lickish:

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Yeah, I may be a fan of Manny but I will say negative things about him when I see his faults. It's clear that you're trying to undermine the belt Manny is currently holding. Why can't you for one moment try to stop on the hating and recognize that there is one great fighter among us.


Sorry but I can't consider yet your boy Mayweather as great because he hasn't really fought a great fight in the current weight he's in. IMO.

I know, Mayweather will be the most difficult fight Pac will have because of styles but that makes him a great fighter. He fights despite the risk. He fights despite the slim chance of success. That's why many of us here have become his fans. You may call me nuthugger because I have been his fan since day one here but Pac has proven already that I'm not wrong for hugging him.lol

If it would be possible though, stop undermining Pac's achievements. It makes you look like a hater of Pac and a hugger of PBF. I don't know which is worse.:-X

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lmfao ^... Im not undermining Pacquiaos achivements.. Pacquiao is a great fighter i have stated that before.. When Mayweather came in 2 pounds over weight on Marquez i ranted about it here, i also said how Mayweather called Mosley over and then blamed him for ruining his interview im not a hugger just a huge fan of his skill but i will speak out when he is wrong... this is a weight issue many people here agree with me that the pac should not dictate what weight his opponent should come in when the welter max limit is 147...

I am a healthy fan of Pac. But I know this is going to rile up the Pac fanatics against me. But lets be honest and actually not ignore the facts when it comes to Pac this time. This was just a ploy to make history by way of 7 division titles. This conformed to Pac just like one of his so called belts is actually the Ring Magazine belt. At featherweight, JMM was the world champion and they fought to a draw so JMM remained the champion. Pac was never a featherweight champion! It was JMM. But because the Ring Magazine, yeah a magazine champ, labeled Pac their champ this somehow counts as a divisional champ and sets it possible to make history. One of the 7 divisional belts of Pac's came by way of catchweight and one came by way of magazine. Like I said I am a Pac fan but I do not suppress the truth(and risk becoming a Pactard:D). But I have been involved with boxing since I was 5 thats why I keep defending it but the phoniness that comes with boxing is worse than any other sport.

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Originally Posted by blegit

I am a healthy fan of Pac. But I know this is going to rile up the Pac fanatics against me. But lets be honest and actually not ignore the facts when it comes to Pac this time. This was just a ploy to make history by way of 7 division titles. This conformed to Pac just like one of his so called belts is actually the Ring Magazine belt. At featherweight, JMM was the champion and they fought to a draw so JMM remained the champion. Pac was never a featherweight champion! It was JMM. But because the Ring Magazine, yeah a magazine champ, labeled Pac their champ this somehow counts as a divisional champ and sets it possible to make history. One of the 7 divisional belts of Pac's came by way of catchweight and one came by way of magazine. Like I said I am a Pac fan but I do not suppress the truth(and risk becoming a Pactard:D). But I have been involved with boxing since I was 5 thats why I keep defending it but the bullcrap that comes with boxing is worse than any other sport.

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:appl: Finally a pac fan that is not a hugger... wow not many around here.. Great post man

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Originally Posted by blegit

I am a healthy fan of Pac. But I know this is going to rile up the Pac fanatics against me. But lets be honest and actually not ignore the facts when it comes to Pac this time. This was just a ploy to make history by way of 7 division titles. This conformed to Pac just like one of his so called belts is actually the Ring Magazine belt. At featherweight, JMM was the world champion and they fought to a draw so JMM remained the champion. Pac was never a featherweight champion! It was JMM. But because the Ring Magazine, yeah a magazine champ, labeled Pac their champ this somehow counts as a divisional champ and sets it possible to make history. One of the 7 divisional belts of Pac's came by way of catchweight and one came by way of magazine. Like I said I am a Pac fan but I do not suppress the truth(and risk becoming a Pactard:D). But I have been involved with boxing since I was 5 thats why I keep defending it but the bullcrap that comes with boxing is worse than any other sport.

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Boxing is quite horrendous when you sit back and look at what goes on.

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Originally Posted by purtyboy

Well first of all this is not an anti-pac thread. I feel Pac would of done the same at 147. I just don't see how he could have won the 147 title at 145.. Usually when a boxer comes 1 or 2 pounds under the limit the titles are not on the line. Which leads me to my question.. What are the rules, can you fight for the 147 title at 140 ? First of all catchweights suck but to be able to win titles at heavier weights without fighting at them is B/S... This opens up all possibilities...

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Oscar lost to Hopkins but their contract says Hopkins should make the 157lbs limit ;)

Oscar - 155, Hopkins - 156 during the weigh in.


and you said how is it possible? well SRL won a 175lbs belt from a 175lbs title holder. while forcing that title holder to make the Super Middleweight limit of 168lbs!

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Originally Posted by blegit

I am a healthy fan of Pac. But I know this is going to rile up the Pac fanatics against me. But lets be honest and actually not ignore the facts when it comes to Pac this time. This was just a ploy to make history by way of 7 division titles. This conformed to Pac just like one of his so called belts is actually the Ring Magazine belt. At featherweight, JMM was the world champion and they fought to a draw so JMM remained the champion. Pac was never a featherweight champion! It was JMM. But because the Ring Magazine, yeah a magazine champ, labeled Pac their champ this somehow counts as a divisional champ and sets it possible to make history. One of the 7 divisional belts of Pac's came by way of catchweight and one came by way of magazine. Like I said I am a Pac fan but I do not suppress the truth(and risk becoming a Pactard:D). But I have been involved with boxing since I was 5 thats why I keep defending it but the phoniness that comes with boxing is worse than any other sport.

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LOL

that is FALSE. barrera was the CHAMPION.

WBC, WBO, WBA, IBF all of their champion were beaten by hamed in a particular period who then loses it to Barrera. Barrera also was able to beat Morales for the WBC version but dumps it immediately.

Barrera was recognized as the TRUE/Lineal/RING Featherweight Champion.

The fighter is the Featherweight Champion NOT the ALPHABET ORG. so when they part who ends up the champion? the fighter or the Aplhabet ORG?

Im sure this was posted millions of times already.

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

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Originally Posted by purtyboy

Well first of all this is not an anti-pac thread. I feel Pac would of done the same at 147. I just don't see how he could have won the 147 title at 145.. Usually when a boxer comes 1 or 2 pounds under the limit the titles are not on the line. Which leads me to my question.. What are the rules, can you fight for the 147 title at 140 ? First of all catchweights suck but to be able to win titles at heavier weights without fighting at them is B/S... This opens up all possibilities...

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Oscar lost to Hopkins but their contract says Hopkins should make the 157lbs limit ;)

Oscar - 155, Hopkins - 156 during the weigh in.


and you said how is it possible? well SRL won a 175lbs belt from a 175lbs title holder. while forcing that title holder to make the Super Middleweight limit of 168lbs!

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That Leonard multi-weight class fight was THE biggest BS set up in the history of boxing. How do you fight in two weight classes for the same fight? It's ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

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Originally Posted by purtyboy

Well first of all this is not an anti-pac thread. I feel Pac would of done the same at 147. I just don't see how he could have won the 147 title at 145.. Usually when a boxer comes 1 or 2 pounds under the limit the titles are not on the line. Which leads me to my question.. What are the rules, can you fight for the 147 title at 140 ? First of all catchweights suck but to be able to win titles at heavier weights without fighting at them is B/S... This opens up all possibilities...

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Oscar lost to Hopkins but their contract says Hopkins should make the 157lbs limit ;)

Oscar - 155, Hopkins - 156 during the weigh in.


and you said how is it possible? well SRL won a 175lbs belt from a 175lbs title holder. while forcing that title holder to make the Super Middleweight limit of 168lbs!

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Well i get how it's possible but why is that rule allowed is what im saying.. i remember Hopkins but we all knew Oscar would lose.. the sugar ray LHW lmao thats crazy man totally unfair.. i had forgotten about that wow.. insane

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Originally Posted by purtyboy

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

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Originally Posted by purtyboy

Well first of all this is not an anti-pac thread. I feel Pac would of done the same at 147. I just don't see how he could have won the 147 title at 145.. Usually when a boxer comes 1 or 2 pounds under the limit the titles are not on the line. Which leads me to my question.. What are the rules, can you fight for the 147 title at 140 ? First of all catchweights suck but to be able to win titles at heavier weights without fighting at them is B/S... This opens up all possibilities...

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Oscar lost to Hopkins but their contract says Hopkins should make the 157lbs limit ;)

Oscar - 155, Hopkins - 156 during the weigh in.


and you said how is it possible? well SRL won a 175lbs belt from a 175lbs title holder. while forcing that title holder to make the Super Middleweight limit of 168lbs!

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Well i get how it's possible but why is that rule allowed is what im saying.. i remember Hopkins but we all knew Oscar would lose.. the sugar ray LHW lmao thats crazy man totally unfair.. i had forgotten about that wow.. insane

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I hate the 145 catchweight also. But you can defend it TECHNICALLY because the WELTERWEIGHT division is anywhere from 141 to 147lbs.


but the Leonard 175lbs title is really b_ullshit. its like

Amir Khan fighting Shane Mosley at 140lbs. and both WBA 140 and 147 belts are on the line!!! WTF?!!!! ;D

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

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Originally Posted by purtyboy

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

Oscar lost to Hopkins but their contract says Hopkins should make the 157lbs limit ;)

Oscar - 155, Hopkins - 156 during the weigh in.


and you said how is it possible? well SRL won a 175lbs belt from a 175lbs title holder. while forcing that title holder to make the Super Middleweight limit of 168lbs!

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Well i get how it's possible but why is that rule allowed is what im saying.. i remember Hopkins but we all knew Oscar would lose.. the sugar ray LHW lmao thats crazy man totally unfair.. i had forgotten about that wow.. insane

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I hate the 145 catchweight also. But you can defend it TECHNICALLY because the WELTERWEIGHT division is anywhere from 141 to 147lbs.


but the Leonard 175lbs title is really b_ullshit. its like

Amir Khan fighting Shane Mosley at 140lbs. and both WBA 140 and 147 belts are on the line!!! WTF?!!!! ;D

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Haha good point

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

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Originally Posted by blegit

I am a healthy fan of Pac. But I know this is going to rile up the Pac fanatics against me. But lets be honest and actually not ignore the facts when it comes to Pac this time. This was just a ploy to make history by way of 7 division titles. This conformed to Pac just like one of his so called belts is actually the Ring Magazine belt. At featherweight, JMM was the world champion and they fought to a draw so JMM remained the champion. Pac was never a featherweight champion! It was JMM. But because the Ring Magazine, yeah a magazine champ, labeled Pac their champ this somehow counts as a divisional champ and sets it possible to make history. One of the 7 divisional belts of Pac's came by way of catchweight and one came by way of magazine. Like I said I am a Pac fan but I do not suppress the truth(and risk becoming a Pactard:D). But I have been involved with boxing since I was 5 thats why I keep defending it but the phoniness that comes with boxing is worse than any other sport.

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LOL

that is FALSE. barrera was the CHAMPION.

WBC, WBO, WBA, IBF all of their champion were beaten by hamed in a particular period who then loses it to Barrera. Barrera also was able to beat Morales for the WBC version but dumps it immediately.

Barrera was recognized as the TRUE/Lineal/RING Featherweight Champion.

The fighter is the Featherweight Champion NOT the ALPHABET ORG. so when they part who ends up the champion? the fighter or the Aplhabet ORG?

Im sure this was posted millions of times already.

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I know Barrera was considered the peoples champion but JMM had 2 belts. What belts did Pacquiao get at 126? Otherwise the champ is just a popular opinion.

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Originally Posted by blegit

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

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Originally Posted by blegit

I am a healthy fan of Pac. But I know this is going to rile up the Pac fanatics against me. But lets be honest and actually not ignore the facts when it comes to Pac this time. This was just a ploy to make history by way of 7 division titles. This conformed to Pac just like one of his so called belts is actually the Ring Magazine belt. At featherweight, JMM was the world champion and they fought to a draw so JMM remained the champion. Pac was never a featherweight champion! It was JMM. But because the Ring Magazine, yeah a magazine champ, labeled Pac their champ this somehow counts as a divisional champ and sets it possible to make history. One of the 7 divisional belts of Pac's came by way of catchweight and one came by way of magazine. Like I said I am a Pac fan but I do not suppress the truth(and risk becoming a Pactard:D). But I have been involved with boxing since I was 5 thats why I keep defending it but the phoniness that comes with boxing is worse than any other sport.

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LOL

that is FALSE. barrera was the CHAMPION.

WBC, WBO, WBA, IBF all of their champion were beaten by hamed in a particular period who then loses it to Barrera. Barrera also was able to beat Morales for the WBC version but dumps it immediately.

Barrera was recognized as the TRUE/Lineal/RING Featherweight Champion.

The fighter is the Featherweight Champion NOT the ALPHABET ORG. so when they part who ends up the champion? the fighter or the Aplhabet ORG?

Im sure this was posted millions of times already.

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I know Barrera was considered the peoples champion but JMM had 2 belts. What belts did Pacquiao get at 126? Otherwise the champ is just a popular opinion.

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Barrera was the lineal champ. THE man.

To further strengthen Miron Lang's explanation - you can trace the "man who beat the man" through Hamed to Wilfredo Vazquez. So there really is no doubt Pac was THE true featherweight champion after beating Barrera. ;)

The thread starter is not really bright.

141-147 is WW. 141 is the minimum, 147 is the max.

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Originally Posted by purtyboy

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Originally Posted by blegit

I am a healthy fan of Pac. But I know this is going to rile up the Pac fanatics against me. But lets be honest and actually not ignore the facts when it comes to Pac this time. This was just a ploy to make history by way of 7 division titles. This conformed to Pac just like one of his so called belts is actually the Ring Magazine belt. At featherweight, JMM was the champion and they fought to a draw so JMM remained the champion. Pac was never a featherweight champion! It was JMM. But because the Ring Magazine, yeah a magazine champ, labeled Pac their champ this somehow counts as a divisional champ and sets it possible to make history. One of the 7 divisional belts of Pac's came by way of catchweight and one came by way of magazine. Like I said I am a Pac fan but I do not suppress the truth(and risk becoming a Pactard:D). But I have been involved with boxing since I was 5 thats why I keep defending it but the bullcrap that comes with boxing is worse than any other sport.

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:appl: Finally a pac fan that is not a hugger... wow not many around here.. Great post man

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LOL. I don't remember blegit being a Pac fan here. ;D;D;D

Take it from me. I'm the original pacfan here.:cool:

All pacfans are huggers and when they are proven correct they become boxing geniuses vice-versa for Pac haters.