Re: Haye did what he had to do to win the fight.FACT!
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In his career Carl Thompson had the EBU, IBO, and British Commonwealth belt WOW I'm impressed....what successful and well respected organizations :rolleyes:
....the way you guys talk, I'm waiting for Haye to walk on water
Cruiserweight means nothing, when are you guys going to get that???
Thompson wasn't a big deal. Haye fought him when he was like 56 years old or something, I'm exaggerating of course but he was well past his prime.
He beat Eubank, but Eubank was a middleweight moving up to cruiser at the end of his career after losing 3 fights to Collins and Calzaghe.
A well past his prime Eubank should have knocked Thompson out in the first fight and was winning in the second until stopped on a cut.
Thompson was a very average world champ, below even Enzo Maccerinelli.
Haye fought him in his 11th fight for fucks sake. Thompson was coming off a stunning KO of Sebastian Rothman. How many fighters can you name that fought a guy of Thompson's ilk so early in their career?
Even if you think Thompson was shit (:rolleyes:) he still had mixed and won at world-class level for cruiserweight. He was a DANGEROUS opponent for anyone!!!
Thompson would have destroyed Maccarinelli at any point (Enzo wouldn't be allowed near him though. That's the difference between fighters like Haye and protected ones).
Re: Haye did what he had to do to win the fight.FACT!
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Bilbo
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Lyle
In his career Carl Thompson had the EBU, IBO, and British Commonwealth belt WOW I'm impressed....what successful and well respected organizations :rolleyes:
....the way you guys talk, I'm waiting for Haye to walk on water
Cruiserweight means nothing, when are you guys going to get that???
Thompson wasn't a big deal. Haye fought him when he was like 56 years old or something, I'm exaggerating of course but he was well past his prime.
He beat Eubank, but Eubank was a middleweight moving up to cruiser at the end of his career after losing 3 fights to Collins and Calzaghe.
A well past his prime Eubank should have knocked Thompson out in the first fight and was winning in the second until stopped on a cut.
Thompson was a very average world champ, below even Enzo Maccerinelli.
Haye fought him in his 11th fight for fucks sake. Thompson was coming off a stunning KO of Sebastian Rothman. How many fighters can you name that fought a guy of Thompson's ilk so early in their career?
Even if you think Thompson was shit (:rolleyes:) he still had mixed and won at world-class level for cruiserweight. He was a DANGEROUS opponent for anyone!!!
Thompson would have destroyed Maccarinelli at any point (Enzo wouldn't be allowed near him though. That's the difference between fighters like Haye and protected ones).
It wasn't that big of a deal Fenster, Marty Rogan fought Audley Harrison in his 11th fight and Matt Skelton in his twelth beating both.
At the time Thompson wasn't considered any better than either of them, he was a big underdog against Haye.
His 'spectacular' win over Rothman was spectacular only in that he was getting his ass smashed as usual and Rothmann wasn't a world class fighter by any means.
Carl Thompson was 40 years old when he fought Haye, probably the same kind of level as John Thaxton now, or a Danny Williams or Matt Skelton.
A tough challenge and a step up for sure but not someone Haye was expected to slip up against.
Nathan Cleverley beat Toney Oakey in his 13th fight, who was as good as a 40 year old Carl Thompson.
Even the mediocre Tyson Fury fought John McDermott in his 8th fight.
Thompson wasn't expected to be a harder challenge than any of the fights above (except McDermott maybe) and it was a big upset when Haye got smashed.
Sure he's learnt from it, but it was still the kind of slip up that most great fighters don't have on their records.
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Thompson wasn't a big deal. Haye fought him when he was like 56 years old or something, I'm exaggerating of course but he was well past his prime.
He beat Eubank, but Eubank was a middleweight moving up to cruiser at the end of his career after losing 3 fights to Collins and Calzaghe.
A well past his prime Eubank should have knocked Thompson out in the first fight and was winning in the second until stopped on a cut.
Thompson was a very average world champ, below even Enzo Maccerinelli.
Haye fought him in his 11th fight for fucks sake. Thompson was coming off a stunning KO of Sebastian Rothman. How many fighters can you name that fought a guy of Thompson's ilk so early in their career?
Even if you think Thompson was shit (:rolleyes:) he still had mixed and won at world-class level for cruiserweight. He was a DANGEROUS opponent for anyone!!!
Thompson would have destroyed Maccarinelli at any point (Enzo wouldn't be allowed near him though. That's the difference between fighters like Haye and protected ones).
It wasn't that big of a deal Fenster, Marty Rogan fought Audley Harrison in his 11th fight and Matt Skelton in his twelth beating both.
At the time Thompson wasn't considered any better than either of them, he was a big underdog against Haye.
His 'spectacular' win over Rothman was spectacular only in that he was getting his ass smashed as usual and Rothmann wasn't a world class fighter by any means.
Carl Thompson was 40 years old when he fought Haye, probably the same kind of level as John Thaxton now, or a Danny Williams or Matt Skelton.
A tough challenge and a step up for sure but not someone Haye was expected to slip up against.
Nathan Cleverley beat Toney Oakey in his 13th fight, who was as good as a 40 year old Carl Thompson.
Even the mediocre Tyson Fury fought John McDermott in his 8th fight.
Thompson wasn't expected to be a harder challenge than any of the fights above (except McDermott maybe) and it was a big upset when Haye got smashed.
Sure he's learnt from it, but it was still the kind of slip up that most great fighters don't have on their records.
I don't want to stick up for Haye, but look at the Top p4p fighters and the current world champs and see how many are unbeaten (and how many lost to much lesser fighters)
All of these guys have lost fights (not all to crap fighters admitedly)
Pac (Lost to crap fighters)
JMM
Wlad (Lost to crap fighters)
Mosely
B-Hop (Lost to Jermain Taylor ;D)
Hagler lost 2 fights he shouldn't have lost early in his career, Monzon lost lots early on, Duran lost to Laing etc etc
Just a few off the top of my head.
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Thompson wasn't a big deal. Haye fought him when he was like 56 years old or something, I'm exaggerating of course but he was well past his prime.
He beat Eubank, but Eubank was a middleweight moving up to cruiser at the end of his career after losing 3 fights to Collins and Calzaghe.
A well past his prime Eubank should have knocked Thompson out in the first fight and was winning in the second until stopped on a cut.
Thompson was a very average world champ, below even Enzo Maccerinelli.
Haye fought him in his 11th fight for fucks sake. Thompson was coming off a stunning KO of Sebastian Rothman. How many fighters can you name that fought a guy of Thompson's ilk so early in their career?
Even if you think Thompson was shit (:rolleyes:) he still had mixed and won at world-class level for cruiserweight. He was a DANGEROUS opponent for anyone!!!
Thompson would have destroyed Maccarinelli at any point (Enzo wouldn't be allowed near him though. That's the difference between fighters like Haye and protected ones).
It wasn't that big of a deal Fenster, Marty Rogan fought Audley Harrison in his 11th fight and Matt Skelton in his twelth beating both.
At the time Thompson wasn't considered any better than either of them, he was a big underdog against Haye.
His 'spectacular' win over Rothman was spectacular only in that he was getting his ass smashed as usual and Rothmann wasn't a world class fighter by any means.
Carl Thompson was 40 years old when he fought Haye, probably the same kind of level as John Thaxton now, or a Danny Williams or Matt Skelton.
A tough challenge and a step up for sure but not someone Haye was expected to slip up against.
Nathan Cleverley beat Toney Oakey in his 13th fight, who was as good as a 40 year old Carl Thompson.
Even the mediocre Tyson Fury fought John McDermott in his 8th fight.
Thompson wasn't expected to be a harder challenge than any of the fights above (except McDermott maybe) and it was a big upset when Haye got smashed.
Sure he's learnt from it, but it was still the kind of slip up that most great fighters don't have on their records.
Seriously Bilbo that is utterly ridiculous. ;D
You think Harrison, Skelton, McDermott and Oakey were on Thompson's level?
These guys have failed everytime they have stepped above Brit level.
It doesn't matter if Thompson was losing he pulled the win out of the bag. Something he did numerous times in his career. He was a seriously dangerous fighter.
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Bilbo
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Haye fought him in his 11th fight for fucks sake. Thompson was coming off a stunning KO of Sebastian Rothman. How many fighters can you name that fought a guy of Thompson's ilk so early in their career?
Even if you think Thompson was shit (:rolleyes:) he still had mixed and won at world-class level for cruiserweight. He was a DANGEROUS opponent for anyone!!!
Thompson would have destroyed Maccarinelli at any point (Enzo wouldn't be allowed near him though. That's the difference between fighters like Haye and protected ones).
It wasn't that big of a deal Fenster, Marty Rogan fought Audley Harrison in his 11th fight and Matt Skelton in his twelth beating both.
At the time Thompson wasn't considered any better than either of them, he was a big underdog against Haye.
His 'spectacular' win over Rothman was spectacular only in that he was getting his ass smashed as usual and Rothmann wasn't a world class fighter by any means.
Carl Thompson was 40 years old when he fought Haye, probably the same kind of level as John Thaxton now, or a Danny Williams or Matt Skelton.
A tough challenge and a step up for sure but not someone Haye was expected to slip up against.
Nathan Cleverley beat Toney Oakey in his 13th fight, who was as good as a 40 year old Carl Thompson.
Even the mediocre Tyson Fury fought John McDermott in his 8th fight.
Thompson wasn't expected to be a harder challenge than any of the fights above (except McDermott maybe) and it was a big upset when Haye got smashed.
Sure he's learnt from it, but it was still the kind of slip up that most great fighters don't have on their records.
Seriously Bilbo that is utterly ridiculous. ;D
You think Harrison, Skelton, McDermott and Oakey were on Thompson's level?
These guys have failed everytime they have stepped above Brit level.
It doesn't matter if Thompson was losing he pulled the win out of the bag. Something he did numerous times in his career. He was a seriously dangerous fighter.
I agree with Fenster , Carl Thompson beats Enzo Mac at any time any place.
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Also, it's worth noting that Eubank actually looked pretty comfortable at Cruiserweight.
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Also, it's worth noting that Eubank actually looked pretty comfortable at Cruiserweight.
Yup - he looked better in defeat against Calzaghe and Thompson than he did in lots of his victories
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Fenster
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Bilbo
It wasn't that big of a deal Fenster, Marty Rogan fought Audley Harrison in his 11th fight and Matt Skelton in his twelth beating both.
At the time Thompson wasn't considered any better than either of them, he was a big underdog against Haye.
His 'spectacular' win over Rothman was spectacular only in that he was getting his ass smashed as usual and Rothmann wasn't a world class fighter by any means.
Carl Thompson was 40 years old when he fought Haye, probably the same kind of level as John Thaxton now, or a Danny Williams or Matt Skelton.
A tough challenge and a step up for sure but not someone Haye was expected to slip up against.
Nathan Cleverley beat Toney Oakey in his 13th fight, who was as good as a 40 year old Carl Thompson.
Even the mediocre Tyson Fury fought John McDermott in his 8th fight.
Thompson wasn't expected to be a harder challenge than any of the fights above (except McDermott maybe) and it was a big upset when Haye got smashed.
Sure he's learnt from it, but it was still the kind of slip up that most great fighters don't have on their records.
Seriously Bilbo that is utterly ridiculous. ;D
You think Harrison, Skelton, McDermott and Oakey were on Thompson's level?
These guys have failed everytime they have stepped above Brit level.
It doesn't matter if Thompson was losing he pulled the win out of the bag. Something he did numerous times in his career. He was a seriously dangerous fighter.
I agree with Fenster , Carl Thompson beats Enzo Mac at any time any place.
I agree completely with that too, which just highlights how shit Haye's unification opposition was.
Haye had probably the easiest unification route in history. He beat one over the hill fighter and one never was. The O'Neil Bell that knocked out Mormeck would have ko'd Haye imo, shame he went mental he was a tough son of a bitch but he seems to have unravelled now quitting in his last fight.
I think Adamek beats Haye and call me crazy but if Calzaghe could take his punches he could beat him at cruiserweight imo, if Haye decided to cut the weight.
Any of these 5 beat Haye decisively.
Klitscko's 1 & 2
Chambers
Povetkin
Solis
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[quote=Lyle;808019][quote=Kirkland Laing;808015]He doesn't need to be Mike Tyson, he only needs to get to pro-celebrity golfer level.
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...he's not Corrie Sanders either...and if he was Corrie Sanders and fought Vitali he'd still be in a heap of trouble.
Yes, the mighty golfer Corrie Sanders. He was almost as good as Ross "The Boss" Purrity.
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Going into a Wlad fight banking on one or two at a time and jumping up with them will see Haye eating jabs like a fat kid eating jellybeans on Easter day.Sure he has the potential to hurt him but Valuev is big...and had a belt.Thats about it.no Wald or Vitali he.
They're tiny tots compared to Valuev. Haye will be able to land more punches and will still be a lot faster than they are. There's a good chance he'll lose to either guy but he's got more chance than any other heavyweight of involving one of them in an exciting fight for the first time ever, so we have for the first time in a long time a tiny ray of light in the heavyweight division.
They're also 10 times more skilled then Valuev.To land he has to throw which leaves any fighter more vulnerable,especially one that waits and looks for ko's firstly.Thats his shot against Wlad...a Ko.If he over thinks things,sits outside and leaps in he could be in big trouble.Getting past,under that jab will be no easy task and he will have to set things up.I actually think he's good for the division and will bring excitement...but he doesn't walk on water and a little too early to be fitting him for a throne.Both Bros have been in exciting hvy matches and have dealt with adversity,heavyweight adversity.New waters for Haye for the most part...when he gets smacked on the chin and one-two bombs are not enough,we'll see.
Senior was in an exciting fight with Lewis, Junior's exciting fight was him getting bounced round the ring by a scratch golfer. Since Lewis retired and since the golfer incident neither of them has been anywhere near an exciting fight. Between them they've managed to turn the heavyweight division into a total non-attraction. Now there's a tiny ray of light.
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Haye fought him in his 11th fight for fucks sake. Thompson was coming off a stunning KO of Sebastian Rothman. How many fighters can you name that fought a guy of Thompson's ilk so early in their career?
Even if you think Thompson was shit (:rolleyes:) he still had mixed and won at world-class level for cruiserweight. He was a DANGEROUS opponent for anyone!!!
Thompson would have destroyed Maccarinelli at any point (Enzo wouldn't be allowed near him though. That's the difference between fighters like Haye and protected ones).
It wasn't that big of a deal Fenster, Marty Rogan fought Audley Harrison in his 11th fight and Matt Skelton in his twelth beating both.
At the time Thompson wasn't considered any better than either of them, he was a big underdog against Haye.
His 'spectacular' win over Rothman was spectacular only in that he was getting his ass smashed as usual and Rothmann wasn't a world class fighter by any means.
Carl Thompson was 40 years old when he fought Haye, probably the same kind of level as John Thaxton now, or a Danny Williams or Matt Skelton.
A tough challenge and a step up for sure but not someone Haye was expected to slip up against.
Nathan Cleverley beat Toney Oakey in his 13th fight, who was as good as a 40 year old Carl Thompson.
Even the mediocre Tyson Fury fought John McDermott in his 8th fight.
Thompson wasn't expected to be a harder challenge than any of the fights above (except McDermott maybe) and it was a big upset when Haye got smashed.
Sure he's learnt from it, but it was still the kind of slip up that most great fighters don't have on their records.
I don't want to stick up for Haye, but look at the Top p4p fighters and the current world champs and see how many are unbeaten (and how many lost to much lesser fighters)
All of these guys have lost fights (not all to crap fighters admitedly)
Pac (Lost to crap fighters)
JMM
Wlad (Lost to crap fighters)
Mosely
B-Hop (Lost to Jermain Taylor ;D)
Hagler lost 2 fights he shouldn't have lost early in his career, Monzon lost lots early on, Duran lost to Laing etc etc
Just a few off the top of my head.
Yeah I'll give you Manny and Wlad. They both lost to relatively mediocre opposition that they shouldn't have but were able to learn from their mistakes.
Maybe Amir Khan is doing the same.
Haye may go on to prove himself (I doubt it though) but you are right, one loss several years ago early in his doesn't necessarily mean he is rubbish forever.
I do believe he will always have that vulnerability though and once he's knocked out again his career will rapidly end and he'll get ko'd in successive fights like Enzo and Jermain.
I reckon he scrapes past Ruiz, gets destroyed by a Klitschko, then has a win over a mediocre opponent and then gets knocked out two more times before calling it a day.
so 5 fights left in his career in which he goes 2-3 and get's ko'd three times.
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I'm happy that you guys think so highly of David Haye.....it's going to make it more satisfying when he gets KTFO by somebody and I say "somebody" because who knows how Haye will handle the likes of John Ruiz much less either Klitschko brother.
Kirkland yes Wlad has lost 3 times in 56 fights.....David Haye should be so lucky to have a record like that.
If Haye continues to fight like he did vs Valuev I can tell you TONY THOMPSON will beat David Haye
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If he ever fights a guy with a 17 stone head again thats 18 feet up in the air I reckon its fair to say he'll fight the same way.
Against your boy Wlad he's gonna be blazing and Lyle is shitting himself about the prospect already ;D
Brialliant.
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If he ever fights a guy with a 17 stone head again thats 18 feet up in the air I reckon its fair to say he'll fight the same way.
Against your boy Wlad he's gonna be blazing and Lyle is shitting himself about the prospect already ;D
Brialliant.
.....oh yes, I am so scared at the possibility that David Haye might actually fight Wladimir as he's always threatened to do :rolleyes:
David Haye does have to get past the dangerous John Ruiz though ;D
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Go on Lyle, admit it, until Wlad lays him spark out your little pooper is going to be winking 20 to the dozen ;D
