Re: Mayorga Vs. Cotto for March??
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Ant Live
We need to stop promoting a Mayorga fight. Or even giving it any consideration. Cotto has much better option to fight instead of Mayorga
1. Martinez
2. Berto
3. Vanes
4. Cintron
5. Augulo
6. Kirkland
7. Williams
8. Dzinziruk
9. Jcc Jr
10.Wolak
to name a few
This all comes down to risk/reward. A Mayorga fight will sell just because of his mouth. Remember that this is considered a tune up for a Margarito rematch in June, so that would rule out half of the names on your list. Of the less risky names presented, this is the fight that will make the most money. I certainly wouldn't consider Wolak a more viable option. I'd have zero interest in that fight. He isn't a name, and he isn't going to trouble Cotto.
How is Mayorga a tune-up for Margarito? Cotto fights sell because of Cotto. Mayorga doesn't bring anything more to the table than anyone else. He hasn't looked good in years. I agree this comes down to risk and reward because there is no risk in this fight. Cotto picked an unchallenging opponent who he'll look good destroying. This is an easy fight to make Cotto some money while he waits for Margarito to heal from the Pacquiao beating. Fair play by Cotto really. The problem to me is that the fight is completely uncompetitive and uninteresting. At least with the Foreman fight, even though we knew Cotto would win, we also knew Foreman had some skills and was in his prime.
Re: Mayorga Vs. Cotto for March??
When Mayorga stops Cotto, will it be because Mayorga is underrated or Cotto is overrated?
Lets get this out the way now;)
Re: Mayorga Vs. Cotto for March??
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When Mayorga stops Cotto, will it be because Mayorga is underrated or Cotto is overrated?
Lets get this out the way now;)
I'm with you. Mayorga by KO in round 6. His pressure is going to give Cotto a relapse. Then Cotto is going to fight off his back foot in which Mayorga will throw a wild punch and have Cotto doing the Judah;D.
Result; Cotto overrated!!!
Re: Mayorga Vs. Cotto for March??
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bzkfn
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Ant Live
We need to stop promoting a Mayorga fight. Or even giving it any consideration. Cotto has much better option to fight instead of Mayorga
1. Martinez
2. Berto
3. Vanes
4. Cintron
5. Augulo
6. Kirkland
7. Williams
8. Dzinziruk
9. Jcc Jr
10.Wolak
to name a few
This all comes down to risk/reward. A Mayorga fight will sell just because of his mouth. Remember that this is considered a tune up for a Margarito rematch in June, so that would rule out half of the names on your list. Of the less risky names presented, this is the fight that will make the most money. I certainly wouldn't consider Wolak a more viable option. I'd have zero interest in that fight. He isn't a name, and he isn't going to trouble Cotto.
How is Mayorga a tune-up for Margarito? Cotto fights sell because of Cotto. Mayorga doesn't bring anything more to the table than anyone else. He hasn't looked good in years. I agree this comes down to risk and reward because there is
no risk in this fight. Cotto picked an unchallenging opponent who he'll look good destroying. This is an easy fight to make Cotto some money while he waits for Margarito to heal from the Pacquiao beating. Fair play by Cotto really. The problem to me is that the fight is completely uncompetitive and uninteresting. At least with the Foreman fight, even though we knew Cotto would win, we also knew Foreman had
some skills and was in his prime.
Dude when Mayorga starts mouthing off, people become interested in wanting to see him get the crap kicked out of him. The media tour will sell this. If Cotto had fought Wolak, I can't see how people would be interested. I agree, there is no risk, but this will make more money than a fight with Wolak or Vanes.
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bzkfn
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Rantcatrat
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bzkfn
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Ant Live
We need to stop promoting a Mayorga fight. Or even giving it any consideration. Cotto has much better option to fight instead of Mayorga
1. Martinez
2. Berto
3. Vanes
4. Cintron
5. Augulo
6. Kirkland
7. Williams
8. Dzinziruk
9. Jcc Jr
10.Wolak
to name a few
This all comes down to risk/reward. A Mayorga fight will sell just because of his mouth. Remember that this is considered a tune up for a Margarito rematch in June, so that would rule out half of the names on your list. Of the less risky names presented, this is the fight that will make the most money. I certainly wouldn't consider Wolak a more viable option. I'd have zero interest in that fight. He isn't a name, and he isn't going to trouble Cotto.
How is Mayorga a tune-up for Margarito? Cotto fights sell because of Cotto. Mayorga doesn't bring anything more to the table than anyone else. He hasn't looked good in years. I agree this comes down to risk and reward because there is
no risk in this fight. Cotto picked an unchallenging opponent who he'll look good destroying. This is an easy fight to make Cotto some money while he waits for Margarito to heal from the Pacquiao beating. Fair play by Cotto really. The problem to me is that the fight is completely uncompetitive and uninteresting. At least with the Foreman fight, even though we knew Cotto would win, we also knew Foreman had
some skills and was in his prime.
Dude when Mayorga starts mouthing off, people become interested in wanting to see him get the crap kicked out of him. The media tour will sell this. If Cotto had fought Wolak, I can't see how people would be interested. I agree, there is no risk, but this will make more money than a fight with Wolak or Vanes.
Bz, I completely agree with you. Fair play to Cotto. Most of the names on the list aren't viable options.
I would have rather seen him fight Vanes or Cintron. Cintron v. Cotto could sell as a fight for the Puerto Rican crown at that weight. I think Cotto sells his fights, not his opponent. I don't think he'd make any more money against Mayorga than he would against Vanes, and definitely not Cintron. I guess this fight makes sense if it just a gimme fight before he takes on a real challenge.
Vanes and Cintron were the only names on the list that made sense, but they are higher risk fights even if the rewards were the same.
As much as I admire his guts, I don't believe Wolak will ever be in Cotto's league. Cotto turned down Martinez in my opinion because he would attempt to extract revenge from Margarito, and the Mayorga fight is a way to pad his pockets while Margarito heals. Fighting Margarito again makes sense. Kirkland needs at least one tune-up before a fight with a big name as does Williams. Angulo doesn't have a visa so that takes him out of the picture.
I would prefer Cotto to face Martinez than Margarito. But, that's just me. The thing is I don't think Cotto stands much of a chance against Martinez at this point in his career. Maybe it's a fight for early next year that could happen though.
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Rantcatrat
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bzkfn
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Rantcatrat
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bzkfn
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Ant Live
We need to stop promoting a Mayorga fight. Or even giving it any consideration. Cotto has much better option to fight instead of Mayorga
1. Martinez
2. Berto
3. Vanes
4. Cintron
5. Augulo
6. Kirkland
7. Williams
8. Dzinziruk
9. Jcc Jr
10.Wolak
to name a few
This all comes down to risk/reward. A Mayorga fight will sell just because of his mouth. Remember that this is considered a tune up for a Margarito rematch in June, so that would rule out half of the names on your list. Of the less risky names presented, this is the fight that will make the most money. I certainly wouldn't consider Wolak a more viable option. I'd have zero interest in that fight. He isn't a name, and he isn't going to trouble Cotto.
How is Mayorga a tune-up for Margarito? Cotto fights sell because of Cotto. Mayorga doesn't bring anything more to the table than anyone else. He hasn't looked good in years. I agree this comes down to risk and reward because there is
no risk in this fight. Cotto picked an unchallenging opponent who he'll look good destroying. This is an easy fight to make Cotto some money while he waits for Margarito to heal from the Pacquiao beating. Fair play by Cotto really. The problem to me is that the fight is completely uncompetitive and uninteresting. At least with the Foreman fight, even though we knew Cotto would win, we also knew Foreman had
some skills and was in his prime.
Dude when Mayorga starts mouthing off, people become interested in wanting to see him get the crap kicked out of him. The media tour will sell this. If Cotto had fought Wolak, I can't see how people would be interested. I agree, there is no risk, but this will make more money than a fight with Wolak or Vanes.
Bz, I completely agree with you. Fair play to Cotto. Most of the names on the list aren't viable options.
I would have rather seen him fight Vanes or Cintron. Cintron v. Cotto could sell as a fight for the Puerto Rican crown at that weight. I think Cotto sells his fights, not his opponent. I don't think he'd make any more money against Mayorga than he would against Vanes, and definitely not Cintron. I guess this fight makes sense if it just a gimme fight before he takes on a real challenge.
Vanes and Cintron were the only names on the list that made sense, but they are higher risk fights even if the rewards were the same.
As much as I admire his guts, I don't believe Wolak will ever be in Cotto's league. Cotto turned down Martinez in my opinion because he would attempt to extract revenge from Margarito, and the Mayorga fight is a way to pad his pockets while Margarito heals. Fighting Margarito again makes sense. Kirkland needs at least one tune-up before a fight with a big name as does Williams. Angulo doesn't have a visa so that takes him out of the picture.
I would prefer Cotto to face Martinez than Margarito. But, that's just me. The thing is I don't think Cotto stands much of a chance against Martinez at this point in his career. Maybe it's a fight for early next year that could happen though.
Yeah I love Cotto but a Martinez would be career suicide right now. I agree that Cotto is the selling point but it takes 2 to tango. Why do you think Oscar fighting Forbes wasn't PPV? Calling it a present for the fans was bullshit. Twas a gimme. For Cotto, why not take a gimme with an opponent who's mouth sells? I'm intrigued in this fight to see if Cotto loses his cool, because he never has before.
Re: Mayorga Vs. Cotto for March??
I want to do a poll, I tried asking just now "when Mayorga stops Cotto will it be because Mayorga is underrated or because Cotto is overrated".
Now I understand there are some people on here that dispise the thought of Mayorga kicking Cottos head in, so I will repost it worded slightly differently.
People who support Cotto are saying this fight is just so easy for their man, a tune up. So if Cotto loses to this easy tune up opponent is it because...
A, Mayorga is underrated or
B, Cotto is overrated ?
Re: Mayorga Vs. Cotto for March??
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ross
I want to do a poll, I tried asking just now "when Mayorga stops Cotto will it be because Mayorga is underrated or because Cotto is overrated".
Now I understand there are some people on here that dispise the thought of Mayorga kicking Cottos head in, so I will repost it worded slightly differently.
People who support Cotto are saying this fight is just so easy for their man, a tune up. So if Cotto loses to this easy tune up opponent is it because...
A, Mayorga is underrated or
B, Cotto is overrated ?
Neither, it'll just mean Cotto should retire. Mayorga is a slugger, who isn't active an is getting on. Cotto is all skill. His resume proves he isn't overrated. If he loses it, it'll just mean its time.
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bzkfn
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ross
I want to do a poll, I tried asking just now "when Mayorga stops Cotto will it be because Mayorga is underrated or because Cotto is overrated".
Now I understand there are some people on here that dispise the thought of Mayorga kicking Cottos head in, so I will repost it worded slightly differently.
People who support Cotto are saying this fight is just so easy for their man, a tune up. So if Cotto loses to this easy tune up opponent is it because...
A, Mayorga is underrated or
B, Cotto is overrated ?
Neither, it'll just mean Cotto should retire. Mayorga is a slugger, who isn't active an is getting on. Cotto is all skill. His resume proves he isn't overrated. If he loses it, it'll just mean its time.
Well! Youv changed your tune! Your actual words were "there is no risk";D
So if Mayorga wins, that means either
A, Mayorga is underrated or
B, Cotto is overrated
;D
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ross
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bzkfn
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ross
I want to do a poll, I tried asking just now "when Mayorga stops Cotto will it be because Mayorga is underrated or because Cotto is overrated".
Now I understand there are some people on here that dispise the thought of Mayorga kicking Cottos head in, so I will repost it worded slightly differently.
People who support Cotto are saying this fight is just so easy for their man, a tune up. So if Cotto loses to this easy tune up opponent is it because...
A, Mayorga is underrated or
B, Cotto is overrated ?
Neither, it'll just mean Cotto should retire. Mayorga is a slugger, who isn't active an is getting on. Cotto is all skill. His resume proves he isn't overrated. If he loses it, it'll just mean its time.
Well! Youv changed your tune! Your actual words were
"there is no risk";D
So if Mayorga wins, that means either
A, Mayorga is underrated or
B, Cotto is overrated
;D
Well my answer was based on your question "So if Cotto loses to this easy tune up opponent is it because..."
Personally, I don't believe there is a risk, because I don't think Cotto is done, and I think he handles Mayorga with ease. So I haven't changed my tune, I was just answering your question.
It doesn't mean Cotto is overrated or Mayorga is underrated at all. For example, prime for prime, Jose Luis Castillo & Arturo Gatti would kick the crap out of Alfonso Gomez. Gomez beat them both. Is it because Gomez is underrated and both of those guys were overrated? No. It's because they were both shot to shit.
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bzkfn
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ross
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bzkfn
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ross
I want to do a poll, I tried asking just now "when Mayorga stops Cotto will it be because Mayorga is underrated or because Cotto is overrated".
Now I understand there are some people on here that dispise the thought of Mayorga kicking Cottos head in, so I will repost it worded slightly differently.
People who support Cotto are saying this fight is just so easy for their man, a tune up. So if Cotto loses to this easy tune up opponent is it because...
A, Mayorga is underrated or
B, Cotto is overrated ?
Neither, it'll just mean Cotto should retire. Mayorga is a slugger, who isn't active an is getting on. Cotto is all skill. His resume proves he isn't overrated. If he loses it, it'll just mean its time.
Well! Youv changed your tune! Your actual words were
"there is no risk";D
So if Mayorga wins, that means either
A, Mayorga is underrated or
B, Cotto is overrated
;D
Well my answer was based on your question "
So if Cotto loses to this easy tune up opponent is it because..."
Personally, I don't believe there is a risk, because I don't think Cotto is done, and I think he handles Mayorga with ease. So I haven't changed my tune, I was just answering your question.
It doesn't mean Cotto is overrated or Mayorga is underrated at all. For example, prime for prime, Jose Luis Castillo & Arturo Gatti would kick the crap out of Alfonso Gomez. Gomez beat them both. Is it because Gomez is underrated and both of those guys were overrated? No. It's because they were both shot to shit.
At the point in their careers they fought, for it to be a shock would mean one was either over or underrated.
People get upset because they cant predict the outcome of fights accurately and just want to avoid the question. You have said there is no risk to Cotto in his next fight. Now if his next opponent beats him when he apparently in your eyes posed no risk then that means you have either overrated Cotto or underrated Mayorga. Personally, I feel you are massively underrating Mayorga by seeing him as no threat;)
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bzkfn
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ross
I want to do a poll, I tried asking just now "when Mayorga stops Cotto will it be because Mayorga is underrated or because Cotto is overrated".
Now I understand there are some people on here that dispise the thought of Mayorga kicking Cottos head in, so I will repost it worded slightly differently.
People who support Cotto are saying this fight is just so easy for their man, a tune up. So if Cotto loses to this easy tune up opponent is it because...
A, Mayorga is underrated or
B, Cotto is overrated ?
Neither, it'll just mean Cotto should retire. Mayorga is a slugger, who isn't active an is getting on. Cotto is all skill. His resume proves he isn't overrated. If he loses it, it'll just mean its time.
Well! Youv changed your tune! Your actual words were
"there is no risk";D
So if Mayorga wins, that means either
A, Mayorga is underrated or
B, Cotto is overrated
;D
Well my answer was based on your question "
So if Cotto loses to this easy tune up opponent is it because..."
Personally, I don't believe there is a risk, because I don't think Cotto is done, and I think he handles Mayorga with ease. So I haven't changed my tune, I was just answering your question.
It doesn't mean Cotto is overrated or Mayorga is underrated at all. For example, prime for prime, Jose Luis Castillo & Arturo Gatti would kick the crap out of Alfonso Gomez. Gomez beat them both. Is it because Gomez is underrated and both of those guys were overrated? No. It's because they were both shot to shit.
At the point in their careers they fought, for it to be a shock would mean one was either over or underrated.
People get upset because they cant predict the outcome of fights accurately and just want to avoid the question. You have said there is no risk to Cotto in his next fight. Now if his next opponent beats him when he apparently in your eyes posed no risk then that means you have either overrated Cotto or underrated Mayorga. Personally, I feel you are massively underrating Mayorga by seeing him as no threat;)
So you think Mayorga wins it? Are you overrating Mayorga or underrating Cotto?
Talk me round here, because bar the Forrest fights and Vargas fight, Mayorga has lost every one of his big fights. Cotto has won the majority of his big fights. So what makes you believe Mayorga wins?
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Thats not why I think Mayorga has a good chance.
Go on boxrec and look at his schedule of fights. Since Trinidad its been once a year, his last fight was the first in over 2. Even the Trinidad fight he was out 6 months before. I know alot of other fighters have these absenses and still do well but they have a bit more love for the sport than Ricardo does. He wants money which is why he doesnt mind taking these big fights when he knows hes not going to be ready.
I think if hed have fought only 2 or 3 months before the Trinidad fight or the fight had been at light middle that Ricardo would have won. He was doing well and hurting Trinidad until he ran out of steam in the 4th and just allowed Trinidad to work on him. Felix couldnt dent his chin still, it was a body shot. ricardo needs to be active and fighting at a decent weight to force him to train. Hes not technically gifted but is tough and strong. When Mosley fought him he said that Oscar warned him that Mayorga is "very heavy handed".
I just think that these 9 rounds hes just got done will do his chances the world of good. He didnt have a lot of notice for the fight but fought a decent pace for 9 rounds and still had the power to wobble and drop Walker in the 9th and Walker is a solid middle that Andy Lee couldnt drop in Walkers previous fight.
As long as Ricardo trains and trains hard I think he could put Cotto in to his shell. Especially if he starts fast and lands something decent early. Iv always thought Ricardo would beat Cotto. Maybe hes too old now and the legs have slowed but the Mayroga that beat Forrest in those fights would ruin Cotto and would have given Mayweather and Pacquiao some exciting fights too.
This is my first post in this topic. This is why I think Mayorga wins.
Also. Who gave Mosley a harder fight, Margarito or Mayorga? and who battered Cotto? If Margarito can do that, a slow not very powerfull fighter, then Mayorga certainly has a chance!
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Thats not why I think Mayorga has a good chance.
Go on boxrec and look at his schedule of fights. Since Trinidad its been once a year, his last fight was the first in over 2. Even the Trinidad fight he was out 6 months before. I know alot of other fighters have these absenses and still do well but they have a bit more love for the sport than Ricardo does. He wants money which is why he doesnt mind taking these big fights when he knows hes not going to be ready.
I think if hed have fought only 2 or 3 months before the Trinidad fight or the fight had been at light middle that Ricardo would have won. He was doing well and hurting Trinidad until he ran out of steam in the 4th and just allowed Trinidad to work on him. Felix couldnt dent his chin still, it was a body shot. ricardo needs to be active and fighting at a decent weight to force him to train. Hes not technically gifted but is tough and strong. When Mosley fought him he said that Oscar warned him that Mayorga is "very heavy handed".
I just think that these 9 rounds hes just got done will do his chances the world of good. He didnt have a lot of notice for the fight but fought a decent pace for 9 rounds and still had the power to wobble and drop Walker in the 9th and Walker is a solid middle that Andy Lee couldnt drop in Walkers previous fight.
As long as Ricardo trains and trains hard I think he could put Cotto in to his shell. Especially if he starts fast and lands something decent early. Iv always thought Ricardo would beat Cotto. Maybe hes too old now and the legs have slowed but the Mayroga that beat Forrest in those fights would ruin Cotto and would have given Mayweather and Pacquiao some exciting fights too.
This is my first post in this topic. This is why I think Mayorga wins.
Also. Who gave Mosley a harder fight, Margarito or Mayorga? and who battered Cotto? If Margarito can do that, a slow not very powerfull fighter, then Mayorga certainly has a chance!
Margarito has an * in his fight against Cotto for most likely loading his gloves
and that logic is ridiculous, Shane Mosley lost to Forrest twice, Mayorga beat Forrest twice, Mosley knocked Mayorga the fuck out
Mosley beat DLH twice (IMO once but well his record says 2 wins), and DLH sparked Mayorga easier and quicker than both Trinidad and Mosley
styles make fights and Mayorga's style (and given the fact that he doesn't load his gloves) is perfect for Cotto
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Mayorga very emotional on his return to Nicaragua after 3 years and 10 months.
He boasts about having the Cotto fight signed for March in Vegas.
Wishes everyone a merry christmas.
Nice one!
Hopefully hes knuckling down and smashing sparring partners up as we speak! Carrying on the momentum from his last fight, while Cotto is struggling to hit the pads because of his surgery;)
And yet you're not a hater, right?
Dumb fuck.
Dont cry little one...
Just because your fellow countryman is going to get his head stoved in, again;D
Just make sure you're in here after the opposite happens. Haters like you have a bad habit of disappearing for awhile after losing a fight. Make sure you man up (if that's possible) after the very Cotto you so despise rips Mayorga a new one.... ok?
