Ed will not win and islamaphobia is a right wing dick bombing mosques, stabbing an elderly Muslim in the street and spreading hateful propaganda to stir up trouble within communities.
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Ed will not win and islamaphobia is a right wing dick bombing mosques, stabbing an elderly Muslim in the street and spreading hateful propaganda to stir up trouble within communities.
You mean like this guy does???Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
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Originally Posted by El KabongYou mean like this guy does???Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
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Yes this guy commits treason everyday and should be hung.
Yes his filth stirs up hatred and bile too.
Now I think it's VITAL to our conversation for you to know that IN NO WAY am I suggesting we take Chowderhead's (or Andy, whichever he doesn't prefer I use) tactics and turn them on all Muslims....by NO MEANS am I suggesting that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
What I AM saying is that Christians are both revered and reviled but it is socially EXPECTED of them that they react like adults regardless of what vitriol heartless people might spew at them....Muslims on the other hand are starting to be treated in the same manner as African-Americans in that it's the soft bigotry of low expectations again. The people who wish to "outlaw Islamaphobia" :rolleyes: are saying that the Muslims A) are constantly attacked and B ) they cannot #1. Handle such attacks and 2. we cannot hold them accountable for their actions after such an attack......I think that's A) selling short ADULT Muslims and B ) creating a system where Chowderhead can reach and poison more minds.
So, Muslims LIKE Christians need to learn to take it on the chin and have what???? FAITH that the words of humans will not hurt them or their religious beliefs. If your faith is strong, then you do not make mountains out of molehills. I certainly do not wish for Muslims to become a victim class, I certainly wish African-Americans had not so willingly become a victim class because now they are at the mercy of 1 party as that party has classified them as victims and anyone not willing to be a victim is ostracized and unprotected....it hasn't worked well for anyone but the politicians.
Shorter, more concise....treat people like babies and they'll act like babies
I respectfully disagree, whereas you see protecting babies I see protecting them from extreme ignorant bigots who cause harm.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Allow me to retortQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI respectfully disagree, whereas you see protecting babies I see protecting them from extreme ignorant bigots who cause harm.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Submerging a Crucifix in urine = "It's art and even if it isn't art per say it's free speech and free speech is important"
Holding a Prophet Mohammad drawing contest = "Well really, you're just asking for it"
Why are Christians being held to a higher standard? Is it because they are intellectually superior and don't immediately turn violent when someone or something insults their views or is it for some other reason?
Both things are pathetic and aimed to incite a reaction. However both religions should be big enough not to react.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAllow me to retortQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI respectfully disagree, whereas you see protecting babies I see protecting them from extreme ignorant bigots who cause harm.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Submerging a Crucifix in urine = "It's art and even if it isn't art per say it's free speech and free speech is important"
Holding a Prophet Mohammad drawing contest = "Well really, you're just asking for it"
Why are Christians being held to a higher standard? Is it because they are intellectually superior and don't immediately turn violent when someone or something insults their views or is it for some other reason?
Indeed they are, and yes practitioners of both religious SHOULD be bigger than any man made insult of their God of choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
HOWEVER
Only 1 group is expected to not react with violence....so I ask again: Is that because the Christians are intellectually superior or is there another reason?
Both are expected to react with no violence.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIndeed they are, and yes practitioners of both religious SHOULD be bigger than any man made insult of their God of choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
HOWEVER
Only 1 group is expected to not react with violence....so I ask again: Is that because the Christians are intellectually superior or is there another reason?
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Originally Posted by MasterBoth are expected to react with no violence.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIndeed they are, and yes practitioners of both religious SHOULD be bigger than any man made insult of their God of choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
HOWEVER
Only 1 group is expected to not react with violence....so I ask again: Is that because the Christians are intellectually superior or is there another reason?
...then why propose the law banning "Islamaphobia"???
Who are "You lot"? And since when did the UK have a monopoly on voting in idiots?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
My guess it is to stop extreme right wing racist political parties from inciting religious hatred against Islam.
....and that's a "large" problem in England?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb-FEtktGGQ
I mean those people seem to have an ok time demonstrating and protesting...they are all alive, no one has beaten them, in fact people seem to go out of their way to show how open to Free Speech they are by allowing Chowderhead to speak AT ALL without shutting him down.
But pray continue
"You lot" are the Brits. You guys have this overwhelming liberal guilt....it's ok, plenty of Americans have it too. You guys feel bad for God knows what, be it the fucking crusades or when you had the Empire...but for whatever reason the guilt merchants have sank their hooks into you and you're willing sacrifices because of this perceived guilt, you're going to give up the ship to people that will imprison you in a society that is no longer yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Who have you aggrieved so badly that your people would accept this? Anjem Choudry has had a BLESSED life in England, I dare say he's gotten away with things in England he wouldn't have in the nation he now calls for!
I worry for England, I do. I worry for the United States as well, but it is because I care that I worry. I don't call for the hating of any people, I call for equality....you already have such equality, to back down from it would be catastrophic! Give a man like Choudry an inch and he'll think he's a ruler! Let him sew his seeds of hate as he is and eventually these jackasses that are NOT interested in freedom and liberty WILL turn the tables on you as they have told you time and time again.
Hate preachers are targeted as are far right racists but they act within the law and get away with it.
Is there a law against "Christianaphobia" if you will?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
They stopped the laws on blasphemy a few years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIs there a law against "Christianaphobia" if you will?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
....but by special request they'll bring them back for the Muslims???Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThey stopped the laws on blasphemy a few years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIs there a law against "Christianaphobia" if you will?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
To stop racists spreading hate by stereotypes that Muslim men are peadophiles, terrorists and scroungers.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....but by special request they'll bring them back for the Muslims???Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThey stopped the laws on blasphemy a few years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIs there a law against "Christianaphobia" if you will?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
What is to stop Muslims from spreading the same rumors about Christians, Jews, Atheists?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterTo stop racists spreading hate by stereotypes that Muslim men are peadophiles, terrorists and scroungers.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....but by special request they'll bring them back for the Muslims???Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThey stopped the laws on blasphemy a few years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIs there a law against "Christianaphobia" if you will?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Because it would be wrong and untrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWhat is to stop Muslims from spreading the same rumors about Christians, Jews, Atheists?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterTo stop racists spreading hate by stereotypes that Muslim men are peadophiles, terrorists and scroungers.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....but by special request they'll bring them back for the Muslims???Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThey stopped the laws on blasphemy a few years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIs there a law against "Christianaphobia" if you will?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
It's this simple...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTh5JzRziHE
....When Patrick Swayze in an action movie featuring such awesome lines as "Pain don't hurt" answers IN DETAIL how you should respond to such accusations/threats/assaults on character then you lose.
I am an adult, I treat other adults as I wish to be treated. Sometimes adults have arguments, disagreements....never once has one of mine landed me in court! Just how fucking bad is it to get called names in England? How horrible is that? It's bad enough that laws must be made???? It's bad enough that specific laws alienating other religions/cultures/vast groups of people be made....is that it?
If the Christians can be libeled then so must the Muslims, so must the Jews, so must the Atheists....fair is fair, there is no degree of fairness there is the same and there is different, this proposed "Islamaphobia' law is DIFFERENT and all passing it will do is further separate the religions and cultures that reasonable and rational people wish would live together peacefully.
So they don't need laws to protect themselves? And that is EXACTLY my point. They act like adults, why can the Muslims not do the same? Do the same and you will be treated the same, act like children and be treated like children and that goes for everyone.....surely you see it is only common sense, fuckin' family of man dude, we're all SUPPOSED to be brothers.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBecause it would be wrong and untrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWhat is to stop Muslims from spreading the same rumors about Christians, Jews, Atheists?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterTo stop racists spreading hate by stereotypes that Muslim men are peadophiles, terrorists and scroungers.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....but by special request they'll bring them back for the Muslims???Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThey stopped the laws on blasphemy a few years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIs there a law against "Christianaphobia" if you will?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Media perpetuate the myths of them being scroungers, far right about pedophiles and people think anyone in a turban is a terrorist.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongSo they don't need laws to protect themselves? And that is EXACTLY my point. They act like adults, why can the Muslims not do the same? Do the same and you will be treated the same, act like children and be treated like children and that goes for everyone.....surely you see it is only common sense, fuckin' family of man dude, we're all SUPPOSED to be brothers.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBecause it would be wrong and untrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWhat is to stop Muslims from spreading the same rumors about Christians, Jews, Atheists?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterTo stop racists spreading hate by stereotypes that Muslim men are peadophiles, terrorists and scroungers.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....but by special request they'll bring them back for the Muslims???Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThey stopped the laws on blasphemy a few years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIs there a law against "Christianaphobia" if you will?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
.....yeah and NOBODY thinks any random priest is a pedo.....come on man, you're far too smart to take that side on free speech of all things.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterMedia perpetuate the myths of them being scroungers, far right about pedophiles and people think anyone in a turban is a terrorist.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongSo they don't need laws to protect themselves? And that is EXACTLY my point. They act like adults, why can the Muslims not do the same? Do the same and you will be treated the same, act like children and be treated like children and that goes for everyone.....surely you see it is only common sense, fuckin' family of man dude, we're all SUPPOSED to be brothers.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBecause it would be wrong and untrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWhat is to stop Muslims from spreading the same rumors about Christians, Jews, Atheists?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterTo stop racists spreading hate by stereotypes that Muslim men are peadophiles, terrorists and scroungers.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....but by special request they'll bring them back for the Muslims???Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThey stopped the laws on blasphemy a few years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIs there a law against "Christianaphobia" if you will?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Miliband isn't getting voted in, and as he's ruled out doing deals with most of the parties that can help him to get a majority, it looks like we're stuck with another Con-Dem coalition, Con-UKIP might also come to pass if UKIP trump the odds to take a few more seats than expected, or even a minority government.
Miliband is a fool, and the fact that he is in charge of the Labour party robs the British people of a decent opposition. The sooner he gets kicked out after the election the better.
That's not necessarily true.Quote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Tories cannot win a majority or form a majority coalition. Labour cannot win a majority and because they have ruled out SNP cannot form a majority coalition.
The only options left are minority government or minority coalitions.
A Tory minority would not be viable as the left would vote them down at each turn as a matter of principle.
A Labour minority could potentially work as SNP and Lib Dems will vote on an issue by issue basis. So Labour's policies and budget would have a chance of passing. No formal deal needed.
Even if you don't get a majority, and you can't form a coalition, it isn't the party that gets most seats that get a chance to form a minority government - it is who realistic has a chance of having the confidence of the house. IE Who's budget is more likely to get voted through. If the polls are right that would be Labour.
Current 'Next Government' odds -
Labour Minority - 7/4
Con -Lib minority coalition - 3/1
Con Minority - 4/1
Con Majority - 6/1
Lab/Lib Coalition - 8/1
The bookies have a Labour minority as favourite for the reasons I've said above.
Having just come off a weekend where I got to bed after 6am thanks to a certain fight that took place, I'm kind of looking forward to another late night disappointment on Thursday/Friday when the election counting and results take place.
I've actually booked Friday off as a holiday from work for this reason, although I doubt I'll like the results much whatever happens. My old man did the same every election night before he retired, and will be accompanying me through the night again, while I've got a few friends who'll be doing the same.
Any of you lads go through the night during an election night?
You total total loser.Quote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Yes I am doing the same and yes I also have booked Friday off. ;D
Getting the Vodka in.
@ryanman
So what is worth an interest bet for the sake of it (love a contest even if I don't give a fuck, might as well have a wager)
No way! My head is still messed up after the fight as well and no way can I stay awake for an election result.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanYou total total loser.Quote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Yes I am doing the same and yes I also have booked Friday off. ;D
Getting the Vodka in.
Portillo losing his seat was the greatest moment in 1997.
Well for what it's worth I'm staying clear as haven't seen any value.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Of the next government odds I put above I'd say Con -Lib coalition - 3/1 (yesterday) is gaining quite a bit of traction.
Thing is though you will have to wait a while for a payout as even if the two parties announce a deal after the election that doesn't mean they are the government. They'd have to get a Queen's Speech through parliament.
For on the night interest I wanted to do some over/under party seats doubles but of course they won't let you (one influences other).
Only thing I can think that might be worthwhile is the party seats groupings of which my best guesses would be -
Labour 271-280 seats 3/1
SNP 52 exact 8/1
Lib Dem 31-35 seats 5/1 (I think they should get a bit lower but worth a punt)
UKIP seats 1 3/1
Odds from PP. It's really a bit of a lottery though mate.
Although I have just convinced myself to have a go at those now.
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Originally Posted by MasterNo way! My head is still messed up after the fight as well and no way can I stay awake for an election result.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanYou total total loser.Quote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Yes I am doing the same and yes I also have booked Friday off. ;D
Getting the Vodka in.
Portillo losing his seat was the greatest moment in 1997.
I'm very very hard though remember ;)
Alcohol helps a lot. This will be like a football match for me.
Richie's voting for Ian Lucas
Finally, a 'normal' voter was given access to ask David Cameron a question, which began: “Do you think the UK’s current democracy, crippling voter apathy, is caused by the fact that its Prime Minister, Mayor of the capital, and Chancellor were all in the same class at school?"
To find out how the rest of the question continued, watch the video below:
David Cameron and Boris Johnson told they're elitist and out of touch because they went to Eton - General Election 2015 - UK Politics - The Independent
Except the video doesn't appear in Firefox or IE. Does it work in Chrome or some other browser?
Either way, a cracking question.
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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
It works in Chrome.
Cameron doesn't answer properly of course.
Great question and one which I would hope all voters would consider.
Did you see Labour party political broadcast with Steve Coogan. It was good!